Swiftblade solo mid?

[Daisyduke]

Is this viable? I'm thinking of taking him mid with a hatchet, shield, and tangos, with a courier from someone else and getting bottle - phase boots/iron shield and then SnY? (frostburn). His ult gives him basically rune monopoly, and his spin lets him push the lane for the runes/get CS/harass the enemy if he comes too close. Is he viable?

[iHoneybear]

i think ... no he isn't because he'd get nuked out of the lane

[Fatocon]

Any nuker can abuse the hell out of him, especially with that ridge and fog of war issues.

[alliednoob]

:thun:: BL + CL + ULT = Dead :swif:

[Forfeit]

Against another melee, maybe. Against a ranged, no.

[alliednoob]

Against another melee, maybe. Against a ranged, no.

:bloo: v :swif:?
hmmm

[ForTheSwarm]

:bloo: v :swif:?
hmmm

if they both have hatchets, bh isn't going to be out-lasthitting swift.

[alliednoob]

if they both have hatchets, bh isn't going to be out-lasthitting swift.
that was a statement, don't answer -.-

[Fearz]

that was a statement, don't answer -.-
You had a question mark, cant hear your sarcastic tone through the web :D
/trolling off.

[alliednoob]

You had a question mark, cant hear your sarcastic tone through the web :D
/trolling off.
/debug "troll"
/initiate "troll"
***Fatal string error***

Q.Q
(question mark was just for the bh one, could be v. Deadwood or Pebbles, idk)

[Daisyduke]

well, i can outlane a ranged as pharaoh pretty easily - shouldn't swiftblade be even easier? true, he doesnt have reliable harass with missile (his is a lot more placement dependent), but still

[alliednoob]

well, i can outlane a ranged as pharaoh pretty easily - shouldn't swiftblade be even easier? true, he doesnt have reliable harass with missile (his is a lot more placement dependent), but still

harass will pwn swiftbalde, anyone playing pharaoh can solo lane, like pebbles and deadwood.

[kthxbaii]

true
but that bh and swift with hatchets bh can out last hit thats where skill comes into it

[alliednoob]

true
but that bh and swift with hatchets bh can out last hit thats where skill comes into it

if bh can somehow harass swift, he wins because swift can't harass bh (feast ftw much?)

[Lakemen]

Swiftblade is very bad for middle. He has of the lowest base damages in the game(I think he is the weakest melee attacker and is lower than many ranged) and his spin is limited by the short length of the lane.

[Tensei]

Swift literally doesn't have anything going for him that would make him a good mid. It's a waste of his earlygame power because it'll be a lot harder for him to get kills as a solo than in a lane with a proper babysitter.

[Vodka]

BH would have to watch out for not falling prey to a spin early on, because that could drop him low enough to give swift a monopoly on last hits and denies. If Swift can't get a good spin off, he's dead in mid against a melee.

Against ranged heroes, I don't even know why you would force this matchup.

[_Archangel_]

Swift mid is... a pretty bad idea to be honest.

Can work if you manage to farm a lifetube fast, before you spend all your tangos

[shibbidydoo]

why put one of the strongest side laners in mid?

[Jayrod]

This is something that the low 1700's PSR high KDR pubbing player demands to do and fails vs anyone not retarded.

[Weenoman]

Yes I see way to many people think certain heros can beat up the regulars mid. Panda mid versus a 600 range int hero? Better hope he's horrible. Swift? Start hoping.

I think people have 1 good game against an idiot mid and think they can solo mid as a melee.

And I also love that people mention swiftblade controlling rune with his ult. If you think rune control starts at level 6, you've got a long way to go.

[Donn]

I think people have 1 good game against an idiot mid and think they can solo mid as a melee.

:bloo::dead::phar:

[kuroYMT]

No, horrible solo mid.

No lane control.
Not great with runes since his bfury negates runes.
No way to kill a hero, unless he's dumb.


Swift needs an ally hero to be effective in lane, preferably a slow or a stun. And he's not a good roaming hero. Just let him sit in a lane for 25minutes undisturbed and you will win with his:

enhanced marchers
2 soulscreams
Geometer's bane
Shieldbreaker