Just tried DotA

[Cloud]

My god how can people play that game? I am a nub to HoN, now an addict. Was curious as to what DotA was like so I installed it and gave it a go.


Yeah finding games take longer, there are leavers, etc, etc but my god the graphics. Did not realize it was that bad. It felt like i was playing mario.


s2 you sure did a great job!


Oops: just tired dota? JUST TRIED DOTA. fml

[Sagat]

i want to see where this thread goes
let's call it an OT experiment

[Sai]

know your roots

[rss]

i want to see where this thread goes
let's call it an OT experiment

How..
How long does it take for a thread to be approved to be posted on the board..

D:

[Qwernakus]

Yeah, DotA is very outdated, technically. The engine is horrible, the graphics are worse, and the reconnection feature unexistant.

Bla bla, no hon no dota, bla bla. Still doesnt conceal the fact that dota is outdated.

[Marylinn]

I prefer DoTA mostly because I am an avid WC3 player, and the keybindings come a lot more naturally to me than QWER does.

[Igzz]

Reason the graphics are so bad is because it was made in I believe 2001 or 2002.

I prefer DoTA mostly because I am an avid WC3 player, and the keybindings come a lot more naturally to me than QWER does.


......

You naturally twist your fingers into a pretzel? Wtf?

[IAmRoot]

I prefer DoTA mostly because I am an avid WC3 player, and the keybindings come a lot more naturally to me than QWER does.

You can rebind your keys, you know.

[Karyoplasma]

op should try to play chen in dota. goes much smoother and easier than ophelia. micromanaging in hon is a freaking mess, tbh.

[Lukeee]

You can rebind your keys, you know.

Yeah, but they are different on every hero in DotA right?


tbh dota WAS good. but hon has succeeded in taking it over. dota cant really be improved, because its based on the wc3 engine which is old.


if you played dota back in the day, you wouldve been addicted

[ChristofferC]

No they are not different for every hero.

[SideKick1]

everytime someone says something about "installing dota" and what not i feel physical pain
its wc3
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[schote]

everytime someone says something about "installing dota" and what not i feel physical pain
its wc3
srgdj;fnsdf csjdnf zxlk bvczxdc hsz,\.x nczx zxd csdfzcx
isn't wc3 a mod for dota?

[Varbe]

isn't wc3 a mod for dota?
LOL wc3 is a map of dota :/ ... not a mod...

[p0rkguy1]

LOL wc3 is a map of dota :/ ... not a mod...

LOL dota is a map of wc3 :/ ... not wc3 is a map of dota...

Sorry.

[Narfle]

last 3 posters, report to reprogramming.

[Xitras]

Dota was fun before Hon came out, the graphics werent the reason why I enjoyed it for so long anyway. But Hon is much better that I dont have to deal with leavers or rage quitting hosts and more leavers and noobs too....

[CrazyBabble]

Only thing DotA has got going for it is the mass numbers of heroes and variaty in heroes. HoN will one day be better but currently thats DotA's only real advantage

[Bonburner]

DotA > HoN - its just I can't stand the WC3 engine anymore. The engine's graphics are just too outdated now and the lag with each action you do even in LC is surprising after HoN.

The problem with HoN is (IMO) concede option - can never have a truly played out game. HoN all we have a people trying to kick and concede people. Its awesome to stop stat padding but the problem there is the stats existing.
And this topic goes on forever and there are 2 sides to it and I'm too lazy so screw this topic. lol

[Fiesta]

LoL is way better.

[Ularg]

I recently played a game of LoL with my friend, it was 11 / 2 / 9

[ImmortalTecz]

and i raged

[EspritFort]

You can rebind your keys, you know.

Yes Root, you can. But since every hero in DotA had different bindings you'd accordingly have to rebind them for every hero in HoN differently, too - which you can't, currently.

[Skellington]

know your roots

Yup. Have respect for the game that paved the way for this badass game.

[Amazing]

I prefer DoTA mostly because I am an avid WC3 player, and the keybindings come a lot more naturally to me than QWER does.

Omnislash as N FTW!

[Lukeee]

Yup. Have respect for the game that paved the way for this badass game.

lol at your signature

[Marylinn]

Yes Root, you can. But since every hero in DotA had different bindings you'd accordingly have to rebind them for every hero in HoN differently, too - which you can't, currently.
Yeah, and I eventually adapted to it, but at first HoN was REALLY awkward for me to play because of this.

And I didn't play DoTA really at all, but I played Warcraft III ladder, so it was just all around a large transition for me.

[SideKick1]

Yeah, and I eventually adapted to it, but at first HoN was REALLY awkward for me to play because of this.

And I didn't play DoTA really at all, but I played Warcraft III ladder, so it was just all around a large transition for me.
do you like towers? :moon:

[Marylinn]

No, I did not tower the crap out of my bases, if that's what you're asking.




(I played Orcs and Night Elves primarily.)

[Fiesta]

(Also, You know the HoN community is adamant about defending DotA when there's no comments about the title and it's typo. In OT nonetheless.)

*Golf Clap*

[UbecZug]

Much respect to the ancestor!
Without DotA, the DBG genre would not be around. Yeah, we would be getting Savage 3 now instead of HoN.

[OTBatman]

know your roots
stop hiding. blitz honked my game. nor's lessons cost too much.

[ShadowExile]

Yes Root, you can. But since every hero in DotA had different bindings you'd accordingly have to rebind them for every hero in HoN differently, too - which you can't, currently.

It's actually possible with a mod. You just need to operate on a whole lot of different If variables to first figure out which hero it is, then set bindings for that hero. I don't think it would take too much effort to do actually, to be honest.

[Cloud]

All I gotta say is that the people who try both (HoN and DotA) but still play DotA, are the few die extremely hard fans. I mean it takes FAITH and therapy to play DotA after seeing the other, greener side.


The difference in aesthetics is so much that it must have been challenging for the S2 crew to have produced HoN. Come on, DotA was their model but she was one ugly *****. It took imagination to make HoN from DotA. S2 did not just copy.


But Dear S2,

I do not think (after trying it out) that DotA, even in its prime had that many players to amply make a profit. Considering what it takes to become truly successful in the gaming market, DotA (due to the lack of real support, it being a mod, and it is freaking ugly) was not widely known. Now that the beacon of light, HoN is out, I can see you guys EASILY, I mean EASILY, grabbing most of the DotA players and becoming what you envisioned, the New DotA scene. However, (I bet you guys already know) you should think about going BIGGER.

Yes, you wanted the sanction of the DotA elite and you GOT IT, don't worry about that anymore. Worry about increasing the market size and letting the NOOOBS in. Yes, they are nubs and wreck our hard fought games but I assure you, a new elite class of players will rise from them and it is they you will be catering to.

[Ethereal_Int]

Why do people keep whining about the graphics? I mean it's a game - it's meant to be played - it's not a work of art meant to be looked at. The gameplay is where it's at, and the graphics are good enough so they don't get in the way of enjoyment. If you don't believe me, look at some of the cinematics created on the wc3 engine - like Winter's Veil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaUtyYlJT8E)
Or for that matter look at how easily the models can become wonderful additions to your desktop (http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=189536&hl=paper+models) simply because they are a little simpler than the models of today.

Just as a final point - the real graphics are always in your head. There is no computer invented to date that can match the power of the human mind - and even though the WC3 models are low polygon, with all the incredible fan art (http://www.playdota.com/fanart) from both wc3 and wow and a little imagination - DotA's graphics can be the (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/755/fanart/1258777279.jpg)most (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/13585/fanart/1247532570.jpg)beautiful (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/24646/fanart/1248669769.jpg)thing (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/19060/fanart/1249009190.jpg)ever (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/2858/fanart/1244803683.jpg).
I mean this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8sJUwQZ0lo) just adds a few basic effects and the graphics are hardly something that can be called bad - but are something that can be called epic.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8sJUwQZ0lo)

[kosta1]

If it wasn't for the graphics and no reconnect I would say DotA is better.

[Vodka]

It's not DotA that's better, it's the DotA hero pool.

[Marylinn]

It's not DotA that's better, it's the DotA hero pool.
Given time, HoN will catch up to DoTA's hero pool just fine.

[GoldenF2P]

I played DotA for more than four years (dunno how long, I just know it's more than four) and I liked HoN more than DotA on my very first game.

[Ethereal_Int]

If it wasn't for the graphics and no reconnect I would say DotA is better.
Read my previous argument about the graphics. As for reconnect - read this. (http://www.playdota.com/forums/blogs/icefrog/652/reconnecting-dropped-games/)

[SideKick1]

Why do people keep whining about the graphics? I mean it's a game - it's meant to be played - it's not a work of art meant to be looked at. The gameplay is where it's at, and the graphics are good enough so they don't get in the way of enjoyment. If you don't believe me, look at some of the cinematics created on the wc3 engine - like Winter's Veil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaUtyYlJT8E)
Or for that matter look at how easily the models can become wonderful additions to your desktop (http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=189536&hl=paper+models) simply because they are a little simpler than the models of today.

Just as a final point - the real graphics are always in your head. There is no computer invented to date that can match the power of the human mind - and even though the WC3 models are low polygon, with all the incredible fan art (http://www.playdota.com/fanart) from both wc3 and wow and a little imagination - DotA's graphics can be the (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/755/fanart/1258777279.jpg)most (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/13585/fanart/1247532570.jpg)beautiful (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/24646/fanart/1248669769.jpg)thing (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/19060/fanart/1249009190.jpg)ever (http://www.playdota.com/img/art/2858/fanart/1244803683.jpg).
I mean this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8sJUwQZ0lo) just adds a few basic effects and the graphics are hardly something that can be called bad - but are something that can be called epic.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8sJUwQZ0lo)
youre just like an ad bot

[Kaee]

pretty sure WC3 came out 2002 , thats 8 years ago , the graphics back then were top notch :)

[Thysios]

My god how can people play that game? I am a nub to HoN, now an addict. Was curious as to what DotA was like so I installed it and gave it a go.


Yeah finding games take longer, there are leavers, etc, etc but my god the graphics. Did not realize it was that bad. It felt like i was playing mario.


s2 you sure did a great job!


Oops: just tired dota? JUST TRIED DOTA. fml

Well the game is a bit old maybe 5 years ago when people played it heaps and the graphics weren't bad. What did you expect lol

Give us puck, kunkka, dota warlock, rexx, NA, morph, tinker, brood, leviathan, dark seer and I'll forgive OP for blasphemy

[Narfle]

First of all, we want the old moffe, not the new one. Int moffe was hillarious.

Second of all, a pox on you for leaving dirge and leo out.

Leo is by far the most old school hero in dota.

But yah, i want Tide also. Badly.

I noticed that I forgot some heroes... storm too

[HONYoda]

HON is much more intuitive than DOTA. But EVERYONE should respect where HON came from - EVERYONE. For those of you who did not have the opportunity to play DOTA, the hero pool was MASSIVE and awesome. So many AWESOME heroes are missing from the game currently.

With the exception of the hero pool, HON beats DOTA in every way. But much respect should be paid to DOTA for bringing us HON.

[Narfle]

For the very last time Mnoma, your sig would be alot better if you referred to Normal Mode as Numb Mode.

Stupid piece of **** assmega.

[Static]

Omnislash as N FTW!Oh my god. I remember after playing this game for a long while, I was starting to get used to it and had played probably 10-15 heroes, and I took a break and went back to DotA for a while...Then after a while, we could pre-buy the game, I pre-bought it and joined a game and played as swiftblade. I was like COOOL, JUGGERNAUT!...oh....his healing ward is gone...oh well I guess.

So I went on with him...I hit 6 and see someone in the forest. I hit N and click on them...see my guy doing some weird animation and was like WTF?...I end up dying because swiftblade didn't ult! And this massive thing plays HUMILIATION...everyone calls me a noob.

=(

[Shintetsu]

Cool sto- nah, I get your drift.

For a player to start at HoN and then step back to DotA, he would find it (insert adjective here). Much like when you have a PS2 then get back to PS1 just to try old games, you'll **** brix.

DotA did well for thriving under very limited resources. They also have lots of player-dev experience, so heroes are good whenever they are implemented. Also, DotA is free.

HoN's advantage over that is that generally, everything runs smoother. (Netcode, graphics, player connectivity, stat tracking, and more to come). I absolutely think that pre-purchasing is worth it, seeing that S2 is doing quite fine as of now, and beta is close to ending so they could be bringing in the good stuff as soon as they launch.

One more thing. S2 developed a new engine for the concept (AoS style games). As the game is launched and the mapmaker is released, you'd probably expect much more from S2 (and the active community would probably come up with something new and fun too while they're at it.)

Or so I'd like to believe. Remember though; Know your roots.

[Cloud]

Give us puck, kunkka, dota warlock, rexx, NA, morph, tinker, brood, leviathan, dark seer and I'll forgive OP for blasphemy

hahaha everyone tells me I should give those heroes a try, especially tinker. I hope we get more dota ports because I must admit the dota heroes are very creative/fun

[Cloud]

Or so I'd like to believe. Remember though; Know your roots.



Alright guys I will remember my roots.

[Shintetsu]

Oh come on, cut me some slack ;_;

[pLoLock]

My god how can people play that game? I am a nub to HoN, now an addict. Was curious as to what DotA was like so I installed it and gave it a go.


Yeah finding games take longer, there are leavers, etc, etc but my god the graphics. Did not realize it was that bad. It felt like i was playing mario.


s2 you sure did a great job!


Oops: just tired dota? JUST TRIED DOTA. fml

Im guessing you are about 12-14 years old, and have just seen actual pictures of the Super Mario Series, and the first time you actually played a game that wasnt completely fresh out in the stores, was in 2009 when Borderlands was released. <- Also the same year you learned to read and write properly.

Conclusion: Judging a game by it's graphics alone, is like beeing on paradise hotel. You'll never get real love from anyone in your surroundings, except the ones that feels the same way you too. (Which is 'tarded too)

Conclusion 2: Warcraft III was/is amazing.

[Bobble]

Conclusion 2: Warcraft III was/is amazing.

QFT. I mean, how many other games that were released 7 years ago are still being played by a massive amount of people to this day?

[Ethereal_Int]

QFT. I mean, how many other games that were released 7 years ago are still being played by a massive amount of people to this day?
Diablo II and Starcraft. In short - Blizzard ownz.

[pLoLock]

Diablo II and Starcraft. In short - Blizzard ownz.

idd

/thread

[Narfle]

UO obviously.

Cant say ive ever seen a 'classic' game with a stronger following. SC clearly rivals it though, but thats only because of crazy koreans.

[Simbamatic]

Never played DotA myself, but I never stopped hearing about it. But I can imagine it was like Starcraft's Use Map Settings gameplay.

Tower Defense and the like. It's not about the graphics. It's about getting into the game and playing the hell out of it.

Regardless of your age, there's definitely something in your life that you really played the **** out of when you were younger. And now you look back on said item, having been improved a few times over probably, and laughing with your friends about it. Yet never forgetting all those afternoons you burned on it not regretting a single moment.

As was posted earlier, know your roots. I won't install WC3 just to try DotA, as I'm fine with HoN, but I love researching the heroes and their abilities. The ones that were ported and what was changed/cloned and how they compare.

It's all a wonderful experience of evolution and experimentation. HoN is still in beta too, even though I've been playing it since the end of summer '09. Tons more to come brosef, they patch usually every three weeks or so it seems, I'm super stoked for what's upcoming.

So my small post turned into a ramble. My bad.

[Narfle]

Starcraft had some good custom maps also.

I used to love zergling/hydra blood maps.

And dont worry about ranting, you seem quite good at it. Im also hyped about whats in store for us HoNners, i can only attempt to imagine how epic this game will become.

And if theres anything you want to know about dota or its history, just make a thread about it here, im pretty sure everyone will be happy to pitch in and we will eventually have the full spectrum of events. We have some oldtime dotards here.