I introduced my friend to LoL and now he won't play HoN

[devilesk]

As a joke, I recently decided to try LoL with a friend to see just how bad it is. At first we seemed to agree that LoL is really bad compared to HoN, but now it seems that LoL has stolen his soul and he won't come back to HoN. What can I do to make him see that HoN is better than LoL.

[_SuperKing_]

Tell him that if he continues to play LoL, he will turn into one of the 12 year olds that are the community of LoL.

[OTBatman]

he will quit on his own

[Narfle]

i think the relevant term is "youth in asia" or something.

[ClownFoot]

amputate his hand while he is sleeping. send him a finger each day he doesnt uninstall it

[syztem]

lick all of your hand and slap him in the face.

[Isin]

LoL is another one of those games where they try to milk as much money as they can out of the item shop before they have to shut down the servers.

[ImbaKaiXer]

LoL is another one of those games where they try to milk as much money as they can out of the item shop before they have to shut down the servers.

HoN might became one to....when the CB ended....!! let's pray it might turn out wrong...

[ImbaKaiXer]

As a joke, I recently decided to try LoL with a friend to see just how bad it is. At first we seemed to agree that LoL is really bad compared to HoN, but now it seems that LoL has stolen his soul and he won't come back to HoN. What can I do to make him see that HoN is better than LoL.

you can't do anything the fact that HoN is just Dota with a different skin and a little tweak...here and there.your friends there will quit both HoN and LoL when he getting tired of both game the same feeling i have towards HoN now...after hundred of games....im getting tired and boring at the same time so good luck on persuading your friends....lastly differ people have different taste....*PEACE

[htns]

I'm sorry OP, I think your friend is gay.

[Narfle]

im getting tired and boring at the same time

I think youre getting boring because youre getting tired.

[Sinestro]

LoL gives you some sense of accomplishment and purpose to your games.

HoN doesn't. I used to play HoN all the time, now I hardly play in favor of LoL (truth be told I hardly play either).

Nothing like taking an already addicting game type and adding an overall account level with unlockables.

[Pyrate]

just tell him that LoL is laughed upon by the competitive community. If that doesnt work tell him that they will delete his LoL account unless he buys $10 worth of points every month. Its not true, but hell, most of them believe that Guinsoo and Pendragon made the game, even though Pendragon is listed as "Director of Community Relations" while Guinsoo is a "Designer" (ie one of the guys who contributes ideas but doesnt actually do anything when it comes to actually making the game). Guinsoo isnt even the Lead Designer.

[HunteR_]

LoL is EASY, and it's great play with your friends.

Everyone I know who left HoN for LoL is because they weren't able to get good at HoN, yet a God at LoL (because it's easy)

[Reonhato]

Tell him that if he continues to play LoL, he will turn into one of the 12 year olds that are the community of LoL.

if hes playing and liking LoL chances are he already is 12

[Narfle]

LoL gives you some sense of accomplishment and purpose to your games.

HoN doesn't. I used to play HoN all the time, now I hardly play in favor of LoL (truth be told I hardly play either).

Nothing like taking an already addicting game type and adding an overall account level with unlockables.

But, but, but... Doesnt HoN also have an overall account level? Im pretty sure we have something called "psr" for example. And seeing as how my account is about 40% on the way to being lvl 17, im pretty sure we have two of the concepts youre asking for.

But yeah, would be sweet if we had unlockables! Ofcource they cant be allowed to actually do anything, because that would be lame as hell and beyond stupid aka "hi, ive played for six months longer than you, so my hero always does +20% magic dam when he casts spells, and he has 25 more ms".

Tell you what, im going to give you unlockables in hon. Whenever you feel you've done good, PM me on the forums and i shall show you a picture of a cookie.

These cookies can only be unlocked by doing good and if you save your PMs you may view them any time you like.

Im sure that if you apply yourself you can get 15+ cookies in like half a year.

You will have to include match ID so i can verify that you have done good.

You cant get cookies for no stats or practice mode.

[Reonhato]

LoL is EASY, and it's great play with your friends.

Everyone I know who left HoN for LoL is because they weren't able to get good at HoN, yet a God at LoL (because it's easy)

this, i went to play LoL when i still sucked bad at HoN (1400 psr <1kdr) in my first games i went like 14-1, 17-2, 21-0. its stupidly easy

[Sukari]

"My friend" is really you isn't it?!

ISN'T IT?!

[Narfle]

"My friend" is really you isn't it?!

ISN'T IT?!

Dude, not cool. Not cool.

Hes trying to discuss his problems and he feels more secure by using the pseudonym "my friend". Why not let him?

Not cool dude, not cool.

[Fiesta]

So, I'm downloading LoL.

I can run up to Home Depot and get the rope, if you guys would like me to.

[devilesk]

LoL is EASY, and it's great play with your friends.

Everyone I know who left HoN for LoL is because they weren't able to get good at HoN, yet a God at LoL (because it's easy)
Well, what I found in the few games of LoL I played was that it was ridiculously easy to go 20/0 in a game.


"My friend" is really you isn't it?!

ISN'T IT?!
No, my friend is isolated if you want to look him up.

Here are some of the things he's said to me

"i don't even care about the runes and ****, i like playing kat"

"Stunlocking is the stupidest thing you can do imo. That is most of the reason I don't like HoN. The group fights are just who can stunlock the other first. At least here you can get stunlocked if they have 3 or 4 stunners on the team, That hardly happens though."

"lol has a lot of things hon should have like target pings on heroes and buildings"

[Narfle]

If you wouldnt mind.

I dont care about you playing LoL, but if it would mean the end of you posting on these forums, then im all for it.

How about a "menage a trois"? raw and sinestro, if you wouldnt mind joining him?

[Sinestro]

But, but, but... Doesnt HoN also have an overall account level? Im pretty sure we have something called "psr" for example. And seeing as how my account is about 40% on the way to being lvl 17, im pretty sure we have two of the concepts youre asking for.

But yeah, would be sweet if we had unlockables! Ofcource they cant be allowed to actually do anything, because that would be lame as hell and beyond stupid aka "hi, ive played for six months longer than you, so my hero always does +20% magic dam when he casts spells, and he has 25 more ms".

Tell you what, im going to give you unlockables in hon. Whenever you feel you've done good, PM me on the forums and i shall show you a picture of a cookie.

These cookies can only be unlocked by doing good and if you save your PMs you may view them any time you like.

Im sure that if you apply yourself you can get 15+ cookies in like half a year.

You will have to include match ID so i can verify that you have done good.

You cant get cookies for no stats or practice mode.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f1/Trollface_HD.jpg/400px-Trollface_HD.jpg

[Narfle]

Buy my e-book download, it will remove your sad.

Then refer your friend.

But ayup, curing a sad thats caused by someone not knowing something really obvious is a very hard job.

My e-book download will work though.

No, you dont get a cookie for that post, in case youre the guy that just PMed me.

EDIT: Try telling us what you think would be good unlockables.

[halfthought]

Tell him that if he continues to play LoL, he will turn into one of the 12 year olds that are the community of LoL.

Actually, in terms of maturity, the LoL community is better in every way then HoN.

[Reonhato]

Actually, in terms of maturity, the LoL community is better in every way then HoN.

you obviously havnt spent more then 5 minutes with the LoL community. you just have to say the word penis in game and its auto win coz everyone else is busy giggling like little girls

[a_cloth]

lick all of your hand and slap him in the face.

look at my hoooooorse

[`Orum]

As a joke, I recently decided to try LoL...
> joke
> lol

Oh I see what you did there...

[devilesk]

That was unintended.

[Fluffeh]

> joke
> lol

Oh I see what you did there...
made me giggle... penis.. heehee. But seriously if he does't quit of his owna ccord scrub yourself clean of him and laugh at him with the rest of the gaming community.

[NrFive]

wasnt LoL based on microtransactions...

As proper gamers, do we not dislike microtransactions...?

[SideKick1]

Narfle my friend is very insecure and has trouble being in public, what should she do?

[FulgoreSama]

I recently watched my brother play a game of LoL. This is what I have compiled out of it.

1. The creeps look like grapes and god knows what else o_o
2. Skills are kinda lame from what I watched.
3. You have a free tp to go back to town.
4. You get near to wasting their base and your attacked by a shitload of guys (Eh not really a big problem but seems kinda dumb)
5. Buying **** from their shop to improve yourself over others? OH LAWDY where do I begin the stupidity and imbalance on that, with a game like this it simply does not work with a game like this.

Anything else has probably been overstated.

Thank god after the 20 mins or so he played he uninstalled.
But really I think "Your Friend" is doomed.

[Narfle]

Narfle my friend is very insecure and has trouble being in public, what should she do?

I feel that purchasing a firearm would be the rational solution for this problem.

[PzKw]

Just tell him that a game where the only viable strat is to rice for 30-45 minutes is much better than a game that encourages ganking and teamfighting.

[Tamachan]

As a joke, I recently decided to try HoN with a friend to see just how bad it is. At first we seemed to agree that HoN is really bad compared to DoTA, but now it seems that HoN has stolen his soul and he won't come back to DoTA. What can I do to make him see that DoTA is better than HoN.

Tru story

:blac::blac::blac:

[coolmans]

As a joke, I recently decided to try HoN with a friend to see just how bad it is. At first we seemed to agree that HoN is really bad compared to DoTA, but now it seems that HoN has stolen his soul and he won't come back to DoTA. What can I do to make him see that DoTA is better than HoN.

Tru story

:blac::blac::blac:

ic wut u did ther

[Gedok]

"lol has a lot of things hon should have like target pings on heroes and buildings"


The only intelligent thing he said.

[MagicCake]

lick all of your hand and slap him in the face.

do this, except with your penis

[ImmortalTecz]

The creators of LoL must have converted him to their religion, DAAAMN YOU LOL!!

[Lamer883]

play lol with him, own him hard

or

end your friendship

shitty advice i know

[LOL_WAT]

There's nothing wrong with LoL.


LoL = For the casuals/newbs.
HoN= For the Hardcores.


Not everyone is cut out for the extremely unforgiving environment of HoN. Some people are just "hardcore" casuals(if that makes any sense).

Age has a lot to do with it. Younglings can't handle it.
Quoted for posterity: Archedgar post with no ellipsis

[Positronz]

Don't worry I played HoN then my other friends invited me to LoL, I find that the -emwtf mode that is LoL's core gameplay is really fun but in reality they are two completely different games. I still play both, as will your friend.

Edit: My current views about LoL after playing it for a while -

1) Runes/masteries are insanely stupid. You can start the game with +33% attack speed etc. over a person who hasn't played as much as you. However, in LoL it doesn't matter much because everyone is so horrible at the game that if your entire team played HoN beforehand you can still easily rape them.

2) Every hero is OP, some are more OP than others. Every hero seems to have ridiculous abilities in LoL like a global slow, a 20% hp/mp vampiric ability, or an ability that basically gives you forsaken archers ult as your regular attack (it's rightly called Spray and Pray). The guy I'm playing now has an ability that is like deadwoods tree which gives you +x damage for the next hit, but every time you last hit something the ability gains +2 damage. It has no cap. I ended one game where I could hit q and gain +500 damage every 3 seconds. I would crit for 900 after mitigation. This character is listed under the "tank" catagory.

3) Everything stacks but ms. Everything. Stacks. You can stack critical strike chance. You can stack lifesteal aura. Everything stacks.

4) The game still revolves around farming because the towers are even harder to kill than in HoN. They do way more damage, a base tower in LoL (the one near the tree) will solo a maxed level carry no problem. The first level towers do insane damage, but target creeps first, so all you really need to defend a tower is an aoe to kill off the creeps as soon as they reach it (many heroes have aoe farming abilities) and it becomes impossible to tower dive. I also haven't seen any heroes with abilities to debilitate towers or to push them early game. There is no ophelia, there is no nymphora, there is no demented shaman, there is no engineer in LoL.

5) Tall grass is cool, but they removed all juking in LoL. They implemented a system of having 'tall grass' areas similar to SC2 where you run into the grass and suddenly you are invisible except to other ppl in the grass. Basically, they become perfect ganking spots, but because they did this there are no trees in LoL to cut line of sight. There is no juking whatsoever, you just run in straight lines.

6) There are only 10 heroes you can choose at the start. They have 42 total, and every hero is unlocked using either riot points (paid) or in-game points (accumulated over time). Some heroes are insanely overpowered compared to the rest, and they cost about 12x the points compared to some other heroes. Most of the carries are really expensive. All of the agreed upon OP carries are extremely expensive.

7) Barracks respawn after a certain amount of time. Yup.

8) The sequel (if there is one) will be called Rise Of Fallen Legends.

[devilesk]

Thanks for the detailed info, Positronz. I'm hoping that my friend eventually finds some aspect of LoL unbearably unfair, imbalanced, or stupid and quits.

[HONYoda]

HoN might became one to....when the CB ended....!! let's pray it might turn out wrong...

HoN will need some sort of monthly fee to maintain and upkeep their servers.

[HunteR_]

Or in game advertisements ;) There are a lot of ways to produce revenue from video games without selling power. It's a shame League of Legends did not go that route.... Of course, when you base your entire game on a free to play model, you're kind of stuck with selling power since not many actually purchase anything outside of it.

I also would support an in game shop for "COSMETIC" purchases only, like new hero models, or outfits things that DONT give you an advantage... unlike LoL's shop.

[Positronz]

Oh I also forgot, there is no denying in LoL. That's right, the entire early game consists of pushing your creep wave toward the enemy towers (which will steal all the kills because they do ridiculous damage) which usually means autoattacking for the most part. My friends who invited me to LoL complained when I 'stole their kills'. They told me to "attack a different creep". I lolled.

Another thing - you can't pull neuts to divert creeps.

[Gedok]

Oh I also forgot, there is no denying in LoL. That's right, the entire early game consists of pushing your creep wave toward the enemy towers (which will steal all the kills because they do ridiculous damage) which usually means autoattacking for the most part. My friends who invited me to LoL complained when I 'stole their kills'. They told me to "attack a different creep". I lolled.

Another thing - you can't pull neuts to divert creeps.

Really minor thing considering the game gives you enough mana to continuously harass the enemy champions. I've killed players before the 30 second mark in dual lanes, you just need to really aggressive and have a decent lane partner.

And if you seriously have to pull creeps in LoL, you are a pacifist player.

[devilesk]

I've already played several games of LoL so I know the basic differences. Regardless, my friend who is now addicted to LoL has played even more games, so things like lack of denying in LoL obviously don't matter to him. If he's going to come back to HoN it needs to be because of some other subtle difference that he has yet to encounter.

[OTBatman]

would love some accessories on meh scout

[Q_efx]

There is no Blacksmith -_-

[Positronz]

Really minor thing considering the game gives you enough mana to continuously harass the enemy champions. I've killed players before the 30 second mark in dual lanes, you just need to really aggressive and have a decent lane partner.

And if you seriously have to pull creeps in LoL, you are a pacifist player.

Shrug

It just makes last hitting and gaining xp super easy. In HoN you can 'harass' the other player by denying them xp at the start which needs to be countered in a certain way. LoL took out that part of the metagame, they want you to only do 1 thing at the start which is to attack the enemy hero. In HoN there are heroes who are good at last hitting (those with high damage and low damage range) and there are heroes who are good at harassing. In LoL every hero becomes equal at last hitting (since there is no denying) so one type of 'laner' becomes obsolete. Not being able to pull creeps just makes both lanes completely equal in terms of strategy, not that big of a deal but where you had a differing top and bottom lane in HoN you have equal top and bottom lanes in LoL.

[Gedok]

In LoL every hero becomes equal at last hitting (since there is no denying) so one type of 'laner' becomes obsolete. Not being able to pull creeps just makes both lanes completely equal in terms of strategy, not that big of a deal but where you had a differing top and bottom lane in HoN you have equal top and bottom lanes in LoL.


So it's more symmetrical, which isn't entirely a bad thing. But the point is you make it sound like everyone is playing nice and just last hitting creeps, when the reality is they are not. In LoL, you are given plenty of mana for the two sides to battle each other. Why would you do this? To force a member or two to retreat, or maybe force the middle to respond leaving your mid to farm.

Think of it as wolves fighting for turf. They will fight until one side bows down. It's not that hard of a concept.

When I hear arguments FOR passive play, it really makes me wonder if you guys owned a PC in the 90s.

[Positronz]

I argue for diversity, not just for passive play. Denying creeps and staying in lane is a strategy for endgame - if you are good at laning you are slowly out-farming the enemy by staying passive for the early game. There are still early gankers and there is still harassing but there is also the option for strategy in terms of having late game heroes that outfarm at the start. In LoL you don't have that option, the majority of gold is gained through killing heroes which makes a carry much harder, strategically, because they have to kill to be farmed but they have to farm to be a killer. The LoL solution? Create carries that kill in both early game and late game. Ownage.

[Jozrael1]

Keep in mind that LoL has matchmaking. If you're going 21-0 on your first game, it might very well be because you're matched with people entirely new to the MOBA genre (you're in newb island after all).

Ask to borrow a high Elo player's account for a game and see how you do.

[Ularg]

There's nothing wrong with LoL.


LoL = For the casuals/newbs.
HoN= For the Hardcores.


Not everyone is cut out for the extremely unforgiving environment of HoN. Some people are just "hardcore" casuals(if that makes any sense).

Age has a lot to do with it. Younglings can't handle it.

I play HoN casually and hardcore, you knwo you can do both right? The only thing LoL has that HoN doesnt is bots.

[SausageEx]

Have you guys noticed that every time someone creates a LoL thread, Hunter_ appears out of nowhere and bashs it hard? its hilarious.

[Meem]

Don't worry I played HoN then my other friends invited me to LoL, I find that the -emwtf mode that is LoL's core gameplay is really fun but in reality they are two completely different games. I still play both, as will your friend.

I hate to be the messenger of doom.

Positronz no longer plays HoN. Everything he says is a lie. Your friend will never touch HoN again.

[devilesk]

play lol with him, own him hard

or

end your friendship

shitty advice i know
It seems like the latter has occurred.

[Fiesta]

I'm pretty sure the opposite of Casual is Competitive, not 'Hardcore'.

Most people (Most of HoN's Playerbase) Would be considered either Casual or Hardcore. Then you have the guys who take it to the competitve level.

I'm not discrediting HoN having a horrid learning curve, community and lack of a tutorial / bots. But casuals would be considered Pubbies. It's all relative.

[Ularg]

If you "successfully" play HoN, you are not a casual player.

Casual players cannot handle learning the items/heroes/how to deal with the community. HoN is a harsh environment which chews up the cassies.

Never heard of LoLbots but it doesn't surprise me.

Then we have different definitions of casuals. I describe casuals as people who don't play often, or people who just play and goof off.

[Sinestro]

If you "successfully" play HoN, you are not a casual player.

Casual players cannot handle learning the items/heroes/how to deal with the community. HoN is a harsh environment which chews up the cassies.



Uhhh, not quite. I know every good hero combination, every good counter, what items just about every hero should get, what items to get to adapt, I know advanced tactics (like when being chased by a blinker to go to a split and time it right with his blinks and run the opposite way), I'm map aware, and I do a decent job of getting CK/CD's throughout the games.

However, I consider myself a casual player. I play in EM games cause I have more fun in them. I play a few times a week because the game just isn't that appealing to me in it's current state, so on and so forth. Your defintion of casual is wrong buddy, but then again, a lot of things you say on these boards are too.

[coolmans]

Uhhh, not quite. I know every good hero combination, every good counter, what items just about every hero should get, what items to get to adapt, I know advanced tactics (like when being chased by a blinker to go to a split and time it right with his blinks and run the opposite way), I'm map aware, and I do a decent job of getting CK/CD's throughout the games.

However, I consider myself a casual player. I play in EM games cause I have more fun in them. I play a few times a week because the game just isn't that appealing to me in it's current state, so on and so forth. Your defintion of casual is wrong buddy, but then again, a lot of things you say on these boards are too.
u can't counter :blac:

[Sinestro]

Shrunken Head + any stun or disable?

[coolmans]

Shrunken Head + any stun or disable?


You have disgraced the lord's name in vain..shame on you

[SideKick1]

Uhhh, not quite. I know every good hero combination, every good counter, what items just about every hero should get, what items to get to adapt, I know advanced tactics (like when being chased by a blinker to go to a split and time it right with his blinks and run the opposite way), I'm map aware, and I do a decent job of getting CK/CD's throughout the games.

However, I consider myself a casual player. I play in EM games cause I have more fun in them. I play a few times a week because the game just isn't that appealing to me in it's current state, so on and so forth. Your defintion of casual is wrong buddy, but then again, a lot of things you say on these boards are too.
lol ok

[Sp`]

So...I played LoL throughout the beta, and I didn't like it at all. Everything felt slow, the heroes were either completely overpowered or underpowered, and I couldn't stand the graphics. In fact, there were quite a few things I couldn't stand about the game...so I quit playing it, and stuck with HoN.

Then about a week ago, I decided to try it out again, since several of my friends play it, and refuse to try HoN (don't ask me why). And truth be told? I'm kind of enjoying it.

I'm still not particularly fond of the graphics, or the overall speed of the game, but they seemed to balance the heroes a lot better than when it was in beta and the game CAN be a challenge. Of course if you start a new level 1 account, you're going to be playing against absolutely terrible players and it will seem easy as hell...but once your ELO climbs, matches become significantly harder.

TBH, I'm done comparing HoN and LoL like I used to, because they are two totally different games, that happen to have similar concepts. I'll play both, and enjoy both. With that said, I still find that HoN is the superior game in the genre, but I wouldn't say that takes anything away from LoL.

[Sinestro]

lol ok

hurr durrr em automatically makes you stupid.

I've been playing Dota since Nulls were the only low tier item.

[Sinestro]

So...I played LoL throughout the beta, and I didn't like it at all. Everything felt slow, the heroes were either completely overpowered or underpowered, and I couldn't stand the graphics. In fact, there were quite a few things I couldn't stand about the game...so I quit playing it, and stuck with HoN.

Then about a week ago, I decided to try it out again, since several of my friends play it, and refuse to try HoN (don't ask me why). And truth be told? I'm kind of enjoying it.

I'm still not particularly fond of the graphics, or the overall speed of the game, but they seemed to balance the heroes a lot better than when it was in beta and the game CAN be a challenge. Of course if you start a new level 1 account, you're going to be playing against absolutely terrible players and it will seem easy as hell...but once your ELO climbs, matches become significantly harder.

TBH, I'm done comparing HoN and LoL like I used to, because they are two totally different games, that happen to have similar concepts. I'll play both, and enjoy both. With that said, I still find that HoN is the superior game in the genre, but I wouldn't say that takes anything away from LoL.

This. 100% this. During the beta, this game was bad. But since then it's gotten a lot better. They did a complete graphics revamp sometime not to long ago which changed how the game looks and if you're rocking it at super max then it doesn't look too bad. The only thing I hate is the designs of some of the heroes. Some of them are badass, Shako and the Anubis looking dude, some of the 'beats' (cho-garth, malachite) are cool looking. But then you get the chibi looking pieces of **** like Teemo who, just so happen, to be some of the best heroes in the game.

I go back and forth between HoN and LoL now. I'll play a game or two of HoN if none of the peopel I play LoL with are on, or I'll play a game or two on LoL with the people who I know that play that.

[SideKick1]

hurr durrr em automatically makes you stupid.

I've been playing Dota since Nulls were the only low tier item.
playing for a long time =/= you are good know what youre talking about
and em doesnt automatically make you stupid, but i can tell you this:
you are bad, the people you play with are bad, the people you play against are bad and you have no real clue outside of em
but hey youve got all that dota experience right!

[Sinestro]

playing for a long time =/= you are good know what youre talking about
and em doesnt automatically make you stupid, but i can tell you this:
you are bad, the people you play with are bad, the people you play against are bad and you have no real clue outside of em
but hey youve got all that dota experience right!

If you're implying that there aren't any bad people in normal mode then you're sorely mistaken.

Then again, I could easily mop the floor with you in a NM game if I ever got around to playing it. But because I play maybe 5-10 games a week max, you're not only not worth my time, but neither is a mode where I have to sit there and focus every second and play super-try-hard.

[Fiesta]

I re-downloaded LoL after trying early, early beta, and I must say, It's gotten a LOT better.

I have three accounts for the two games, A HoN EasyMode account, a HoN Normalmode Account, and my LoL account. I've only gotten around to play 3-4 games of LoL, but so far, I'd rate it as such:

HoN EM > LoL > HoN NM

I'm not a fan of the AoE cluster**** fest that is NM games right now. And when you get a decent EM game going, the ganking and action ramps up much, much sooner. And call me crazy, but I'm none too fond of staying in lane for 25 minutes before I even want to look at the enemies funny. (Yeah, I do play Pubs, me and just about all of the community) LoL overdoes it thouh, what with the whole "LOLOLOLOLOL EVERYONE CAN TAKE 80 BILLION HITS! AND THEY ALL GET A HEAL IF THEY WANT!! AND FREE TPS!"

But Mass Effect 2 > all.

[Narfle]

But because I play maybe 5-10 games a week max, you're not only not worth my time, but neither is a mode where I have to sit there and focus every second and play super-try-hard.

= "I want to be able to compete without applying myself".

Yes, then easy mode is the mode for you.

But this might come as a surprise for you, some people dont have to focus every second and play super-try-hard in Normal Mode to be able to compete.

Btw, which unlockables would you like to see in HoN?

[devilesk]

I think HoN is to LoL as chess is to checkers.

[Narfle]

I think its as close to HoN as an apple is to capitalism.

[Positronz]

I think HoN is to LoL as chess is to checkers.

This is an excellent analogy

[Sinestro]

= "I want to be able to compete without applying myself".

Yes, then easy mode is the mode for you.

But this might come as a surprise for you, some people dont have to focus every second and play super-try-hard in Normal Mode to be able to compete.

Btw, which unlockables would you like to see in HoN?

Actually, it's cause I play this game casually. Has nothing to do with me wanting to be able to compete without applying myself. Has a whole lot to do with I find normal mode boring as all hell. I play this game a few times a week cause it's fun. I don't play this game 24/7 competitivly or anything like that, because that's when teh game starts losing it's fun factor. I see people rage all the time in game cause someone pulls some bonehead move and I laugh at them becasue they're not enjoying the game. They're too stressed with being the best, winning, and showing the other team whos boss to sit back and enjoy the game.

[SideKick1]

If you're implying that there aren't any bad people in normal mode then you're sorely mistaken.

Then again, I could easily mop the floor with you in a NM game if I ever got around to playing it. But because I play maybe 5-10 games a week max, you're not only not worth my time, but neither is a mode where I have to sit there and focus every second and play super-try-hard.
no im not implying there arent any bad people in normal mode.

i severely doubt it :] but its ok i wont ask you to play since you already included your dodge in your post

[SideKick1]

Actually, it's cause I play this game casually. Has nothing to do with me wanting to be able to compete without applying myself. Has a whole lot to do with I find normal mode boring as all hell. I play this game a few times a week cause it's fun. I don't play this game 24/7 competitivly or anything like that, because that's when teh game starts losing it's fun factor. I see people rage all the time in game cause someone pulls some bonehead move and I laugh at them becasue they're not enjoying the game. They're too stressed with being the best, winning, and showing the other team whos boss to sit back and enjoy the game.
if you have to focus and be a super-tryhard every second in normal mode how can it be boring
404 logic not found

[Wraiven]

I'm sorry OP, I think your friend is gay.

That is the best ****ing sig lol. I love that movie. Funny stuff.

[Narfle]

Actually, it's cause I play this game casually. Has nothing to do with me wanting to be able to compete without applying myself. Has a whole lot to do with I find normal mode boring as all hell. I play this game a few times a week cause it's fun. I don't play this game 24/7 competitivly or anything like that, because that's when teh game starts losing it's fun factor. I see people rage all the time in game cause someone pulls some bonehead move and I laugh at them becasue they're not enjoying the game. They're too stressed with being the best, winning, and showing the other team whos boss to sit back and enjoy the game.

Oh okay, thats a very good point.

What unlockables would you like to see in HoN?

[coolmans]

Oh okay, thats a very good point.

What unlockables would you like to see in HoN?

the scout's brother
BATMAN

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5243666/2/istockphoto_5243666-man-with-baseball-bat-isolated-on-white.jpg

[Positronz]

What I've found to be the biggest difference between LoL and HoN is movement and positioning. There is a severe lack of juking in LoL, because there are no items that give blink/windwalk/temporary speed boost. Instead, LoL plays out with two teams forming support trains, running in straight lines, and focusing down the correct people like any typical MMO. The play style is much more suited to people who cannot control their character movement very well but can hit q w and e in the correct order. HoN on the other hand completely revolves around character movement and positioning, being out of position or lagging behind a group even slightly can have disastrous consequences. There are many large aoe targeted disables in HoN yet none exist in LoL which is partly why positioning is so strong in HoN. So far in LoL I've seen one aoe disable, but it's not targeted (its basically rooftrellen ult). There are a few walls and 'traps' and such but nothing in LoL exists which is akin to kraken ult, tempest ult, chronos ult, etc.

[Narfle]

Wow.

Enter key mother****er, do you use it.

[Gedok]

because there are no items that give blink/windwalk/temporary speed boost. Instead, LoL plays out with two teams forming support trains, running in straight lines, and focusing down the correct people like any typical MMO.


Whoa whoa wat?

Seriously, did you even play the game? I can't believe you're forcing me to defend LoL but I thing I hate is misinformation.

Plenty of champions in LoL have a way to slow people down or speed themselves up, this doesn't even include summoner skills that slow people down or allow you to blink. To suggest there are no way to keep players close in LoL is nothing but a bold faced lie. S2games even realizes this and this is why you are seeing some of their changes being based around movement manipulation (frostburn, zephyr's remake, etc). It works for the ganking metagame.



There are many large aoe targeted disables in HoN yet none exist in LoL which is partly why positioning is so strong in HoN. So far in LoL I've seen one aoe disable, but it's not targeted (its basically rooftrellen ult). There are a few walls and 'traps' and such but nothing in LoL exists which is akin to kraken ult, tempest ult, chronos ult, etc.


Most of the AoEs in LoL are designed to keep you from running away, not necessary a finisher unlike some of the heroes you mentioned. Besides, have you seen Fiddlestick's ult with blink? ****'s crazy.

[Norroar]

http://i49.tinypic.com/j61s2v.jpg

[devilesk]

http://i49.tinypic.com/j61s2v.jpg
What is the meaning of this?

[Sinestro]

if you have to focus and be a super-tryhard every second in normal mode how can it be boring
404 logic not found

Because I don't find it fun at all and I grow rather bored of it very, very quickly.

[SideKick1]

Because I don't find it fun at all and I grow rather bored of it very, very quickly.
where as sitting and doing nothing and getting gold for it in em is much more exciting

[Sinestro]

In EM you're roaming 5 minutes in ganking and pushing.

In NM you're only starting to think of roaming 15-20 minutes in.

So yeah, NM is boring as ****. I'm sorry I don't want to spend 80% of the game in the laning phase then the other 20% in the pushing / gank phase. That's just not fun to me.

[devilesk]

I find the laning phase to be very enjoyable.

[Sinestro]

I don't. It's very monotonous and tedious.

[HunteR_]

Nevermind do not feed the trolls, obviously you can't play the game casually in NON em games..

[Sinestro]

You spend the same amount of time in a lane in EM mode.
You probably shouldn't have opened up with a blatant lie, it makes the rest of your post seem very iffy.


Say no to EM, unless of course you're not good and you're that guy who needs the extra gold since you can't lane well.

Or ya know, if you want to play the game casually. Nothing wrong with that.

[Sordak]

take him to your local pastor.

but dont go to a mosque just for fun. Muslims dont do Exorzism.

[Randomguy360]

I left LoL for HoN


I was pretty damn good at LoL, and I'm still learning HoN.

[Narfle]

wow some godly trolling there sinestro.

except its not funny, its not disguised properly and its not really making anyone angry.

But.. but.. but... That was INTENTIONAL!

Because it was a meta-troll, so the troll was intentionally horrible so people would call you out on your weak troll and thus you will win "the game".

LOLOLOLOL THE GAME OYU JUST LOST IT BECAUS I SAID THE GAME LOLOLOL

Oh, and if you think this post is stupid, then consider it a troll. Or a meta-troll, i dont care. Just know that i think im godly.

[Tairashi]

I left LoL for HoN


I was pretty damn good at LoL, and I'm still learning HoN.

It's not hard to do "pretty damn good" at LoL.

I tried it last night, took me a couple games to get the feel but once I tried Warwick(think that's his name), I was going 15+ - 2. Game is so unbalanced.

[Nuk_Duck]

where as sitting and doing nothing and getting gold for it in em is much more exciting

I like your sig.


How did this turn from HoN vs LoL to EM vs Non-EM :(.

[YummyCheese]

Just a few misconceptions about LoL. These are FACTS, not opinions. A few of you guys don't really know what you're talking about:

-You CANNOT BUY power. You can spend money to unlock champions, that is it. You cannot spend money to buy levels, or runes (which give you boosts).
-Someone who is higher level than you/played more games than you WILL have an advantage. That is true.
-The matchmaker will begin by matching you versus players that are bad. It is not 'easy' if you go 20-0 you're first few games. You're just playing a bunch of people that have never played before, and becasue you're a DotA/HoN player, you have a lot of experience. After 5-10 games you'll begin to play versus some competent players.
-Someone said something about the hero that has Forsaken Archer's ult as not his ultimate. Spray and Pray? That's his ultimate as well.
-Somoene said something about Nasus, and how he isn't a tank. He is. People generally build One item (either just Sheen or Triforce) to help amplify that attack you were talking about, and then build tank items. He is considered a tank, although he can be built DPS.
-With Riot Points (real money) you can buy these things: skins for champions (only cosmetic) champions (which you can unlock without real money anyway), and boosts (I'll explain in a sec).
-'Influence Points' you get merely by playing/winning. This can be used to unlock champions (which you can also use real money for. ALL the champions can be purchased using Influence Points. Nothing, excluding skins, is exclusive for non-paying people). You can also buy runes, which increase your stats (Hence a player that has played alot WILL have advantages over you. But NOT a player that has paid money).
-The level cap/amount of runes is relatively low. By the time you've won a 100 games you will have a full rune book no problem, + max level, with influence points to spare.

Hopefully that will clear up some of the misconceptions.

[SideKick1]

I like your sig.


How did this turn from HoN vs LoL to EM vs Non-EM :(.
its funny because murs actually said that
you know i love you flac<3

also sinestro is just a baddie

[Pho3n1x]

Kick your friend in the face and be done with it.

[Kowz]

amputate his hand while he is sleeping. send him a finger each day he doesnt uninstall it

This sounds like an excellent idea.

[devilesk]

So a few days ago I played a game with my former friend who is now a LoL noob. Here are some screenshots that show how noob he has become.

http://i48.tinypic.com/24d268k.png

http://i47.tinypic.com/jpzqjd.png

http://i45.tinypic.com/21jpruu.png


He also became really bad mannered making statements like these and more throughout the game.

http://i50.tinypic.com/6774oi.png

His PSR is currently 1805, it was really inflated before he started playing LoL, but now he's even worse. I'd say he plays at a 1650 level.

[Altazor]

So a few days ago I played a game with my former friend who is now a LoL noob. Here are some screenshots that show how noob he has become.

http://i48.tinypic.com/24d268k.png

http://i47.tinypic.com/jpzqjd.png

http://i45.tinypic.com/21jpruu.png


He also became really bad mannered making statements like these and more throughout the game.

http://i50.tinypic.com/6774oi.png

His PSR is currently 1805, it was really inflated before he started playing LoL, but now he's even worse. I'd say he plays at a 1650 level.

I think he plays at a 1400 pinoy/americanino level.

[devilesk]

I think he plays at a 1400 pinoy/americanino level.
You're right. I was being too generous.

[izzmad]

Sat story.

[Juular]

play lol with him, own him hard

or

end your friendship

shitty advice i know

No that's awesome advice.

[Lamer883]

which?

ending friendship or own him hard?

thanks though

[fuzzy_logic]

I'm bored so I'm commenting on someone's post, yeeehaaa!


1) Runes/masteries are insanely stupid. You can start the game with +33% attack speed etc. over a person who hasn't played as much as you. However, in LoL it doesn't matter much because everyone is so horrible at the game that if your entire team played HoN beforehand you can still easily rape them.

I've played many games with runes and without runes, I've found they don't make enough of a difference to bother me (except for special cases like Pirate stacking crit damage.... Grrrrr). I can usually do just as well without runes as when I play with them. You are correct, if you've played MOBA games before you will destroy the many LoL players that have never played a MOBA. This will continue until your ELO gets high enough to be matched against decent players.


2) Every hero is OP, some are more OP than others. Every hero seems to have ridiculous abilities in LoL like a global slow, a 20% hp/mp vampiric ability, or an ability that basically gives you forsaken archers ult as your regular attack (it's rightly called Spray and Pray). The guy I'm playing now has an ability that is like deadwoods tree which gives you +x damage for the next hit, but every time you last hit something the ability gains +2 damage. It has no cap. I ended one game where I could hit q and gain +500 damage every 3 seconds. I would crit for 900 after mitigation. This character is listed under the "tank" catagory.

If every hero is OP, as you say, then none of them are. Every hero has a global slow, a 20% hp vampiric ability, or forsaken archer's ult? One hero has a global slow, a couple have a built-in vampiric ability, and Spray and Pray is an ultimate, not a standard ability. The stacking damage ability is one of Nasus's abilities; the only way you could have gotten that much +damage is if you're playing newbs who don't know how to harass or gank or disrupt. Nasus is definitely a tank, in non-idiot games Nasus usually doesn't do so well as a DPS; actually, he doesn't do so well as a tank often either :).


3) Everything stacks but ms. Everything. Stacks. You can stack critical strike chance. You can stack lifesteal aura. Everything stacks.
Stacking one stat very high is often unwise. You can counter anything someone else does with other items. If you stack critical strike, which is a bad idea, you will lack straight damage, which will result in less damage overall. So what if everything stacks? Your enemies can do the same, so it works out.


4) The game still revolves around farming because the towers are even harder to kill than in HoN. They do way more damage, a base tower in LoL (the one near the tree) will solo a maxed level carry no problem. The first level towers do insane damage, but target creeps first, so all you really need to defend a tower is an aoe to kill off the creeps as soon as they reach it (many heroes have aoe farming abilities) and it becomes impossible to tower dive.

This game revolves around farming if everyone on both teams are polite and everyone just farms creeps the whole game sure. That never happens once you stop playing totally new players.

Yes towers do more damage. You are clearly newer to LoL because tower diving is not impossible, far from it; especially if you tower dive with teammates because you can "juggle" the turrets attacks between you. Many heroes do not have the mana pool or power to AoE creep waves until late game. Wasting mana on clearing creeps early game means no way to defend yourself against tower diving etc..


I also haven't seen any heroes with abilities to debilitate towers or to push them early game.
That doesn't matter, see above. Tower diving is far from impossible.


There is no ophelia, there is no nymphora, there is no demented shaman, there is no engineer in LoL.

This doesn't matter. Also, Heimerdinger is LoL's equivalent to the engineer.


5) Tall grass is cool, but they removed all juking in LoL. They implemented a system of having 'tall grass' areas similar to SC2 where you run into the grass and suddenly you are invisible except to other ppl in the grass. Basically, they become perfect ganking spots, but because they did this there are no trees in LoL to cut line of sight. There is no juking whatsoever, you just run in straight lines.

There is definitely far less juking, but LoL is a different beast then HoN anyway. The game's about fighting, not running away. If you mess up, you die for it.


6) There are only 10 heroes you can choose at the start. They have 42 total, and every hero is unlocked using either riot points (paid) or in-game points (accumulated over time).

This is all true.


Some heroes are insanely overpowered

You are new. You know not of what you speak.


... compared to the rest, and they cost about 12x the points compared to some other heroes. Most of the carries are really expensive. All of the agreed upon OP carries are extremely expensive.

Riot supposedly bases the cost of heroes on how difficult they are to play (i.e. more expensive champs are more complex or unweildly to use). There are exceptions to this rule, such as Twitch (who is being nerfed gradually as he has been found through math-crafting to be more powerful than other carries). Most of the carries are not expensive. "All of the agreed upon OP..." This is also untrue.


7) Barracks respawn after a certain amount of time. Yup.

This is to facilitate comebacks. Yes, I've comeback many a time after losing a barracks or multiple ones. If you can't win the game after taking down a few barracks, they respawn and you don't deserve to win (yet).


8) The sequel (if there is one) will be called Rise Of Fallen Legends.

Sure, whatever. Fine with me. League of Legends is a cheesy name, so it couldn't get much cheesier :).

[LolMaliken]

Are there as many die hard hon fans in the lol forums? They're eerywhere here (lol die hards)

[ImbaKaiXer]

Are there as many die hard hon fans in the lol forums? They're eerywhere here (lol die hards)

there's humongous amount of HoNtard and HoNerd in LoL forum trust me....

[LolMaliken]

i dont even know what the forum url is. ive never even looked for lol in google

[CDC]

LoL is EASY, and it's great play with your friends.

Everyone I know who left HoN for LoL is because they weren't able to get good at HoN, yet a God at LoL (because it's easy)
HoN is so easy to be good at. . . pick a carry and do work. If you played DotA and were good, you can be great at HoN.

As i said on a different thread, "HoN is an EXACT copy of DotA with a couple new heroes. Better graphics and better matchmaking. The ****ing announcer is a tool though. Bloodlust? Double Tap? ****ing stupid."

[Shintetsu]

HoN is so easy to be good at. . . pick a carry and do work. If you played DotA and were good, you can be great at HoN.

As i said on a different thread, "HoN is an EXACT copy of DotA with a couple new heroes. Better graphics and better matchmaking. The ****ing announcer is a tool though. Bloodlust? Double Tap? ****ing stupid."
I believe there are more reasons why NOT to play LoL. That's aside from the fact that:

HoN is so easy to be good at. . . pick a carry and do work. If you played DotA and were good, you can be great at HoN.
Riiight. :pebb:

[Narfle]

There is definitely far less juking, but LoL is a different beast then HoN anyway. The game's about fighting, not running away. If you mess up, you die for it.

Oh yeah, because if you mess up here, you dont die for it, good point sir/mam.

And i do agree, HoN is not about fighting, its only about running away. Run run run, you get 1k gold per 50000 units of distance covered, and you can use that to buy blink item or more movespeed. Only noobs buy tank items, disable items or dps items. I dont even know why those items are in this game, you should write S2 and explain the error of their way and tell them their game is about running away.

You know what i do every single time i see an almost dead enemy while i have full HP and mana? I run away! And get sooooo much gold and XP doing it.

You know how a HoN player knows he's messed up? Hes dead. Stupid tardfaced shittard.


This is to facilitate comebacks. Yes, I've comeback many a time after losing a barracks or multiple ones. If you can't win the game after taking down a few barracks, they respawn and you don't deserve to win (yet).

Hey i have a great idea for LoL. How about, every time you die, you get a +10% bonus to max HP? You know, to facilitate comebacks? Or you could get the +10% hp bonus, and then you get 50% of the gold the enemy got for killing you. To facilitate comebacks?

I mean, if you dont win after killing the enemy, you dont deserve to win (yet).

Yes, I've comeback many a time after losing a barracks or multiple ones. THEY DONT NEED TO RESPAWN FOR THAT YOU TARDFACE! You know what the only 'respawn' i think is nessecary for comebacks? The players respawning.

If a team breached your base and ****ed it up, why rob them of that victory? Does your game also slowly leech away the gold and XP gained from killing enemy heroes? To facilitate comebacks and all that.


You are new. You know not of what you speak.

You are an idiot. You know not of what you speak.

Im not really into the whole "HoN vs LoL" deal, people can play whatever they like as long as i dont have to join them. I am, however, against the whole idiocy+flawed logic deal.

Oh and go ahead and start crying "ooooooooh thats so not what i said" because, yes, thats what you said. You were comparing two games that can almost be called "similar", but still not really, and you made some ****ing dumbass comments and i called you out on it. L2Think.

Assmega.

[fuzzy_logic]

Oh yeah, because if you mess up here, you dont die for it, good point sir/mam.

And i do agree, HoN is not about fighting, its only about running away. Run run run, you get 1k gold per 50000 units of distance covered, and you can use that to buy blink item or more movespeed. Only noobs buy tank items, disable items or dps items. I dont even know why those items are in this game, you should write S2 and explain the error of their way and tell them their game is about running away.

You know what i do every single time i see an almost dead enemy while i have full HP and mana? I run away! And get sooooo much gold and XP doing it.

You know how a HoN player knows he's messed up? Hes dead. Stupid tardfaced shittard.

I didn't mean to insinuate that HoN was about running away, allowed you to get away with mistakes or any of the other things you mention here. Sorry for my poor wording.




Hey i have a great idea for LoL. How about, every time you die, you get a +10% bonus to max HP? You know, to facilitate comebacks? Or you could get the +10% hp bonus, and then you get 50% of the gold the enemy got for killing you. To facilitate comebacks?

I mean, if you dont win after killing the enemy, you dont deserve to win (yet).

Yes, I've comeback many a time after losing a barracks or multiple ones. THEY DONT NEED TO RESPAWN FOR THAT YOU TARDFACE! You know what the only 'respawn' i think is nessecary for comebacks? The players respawning.

If a team breached your base and ****ed it up, why rob them of that victory? Does your game also slowly leech away the gold and XP gained from killing enemy heroes? To facilitate comebacks and all that.

I didn't know allowing the possibility of a comeback was such a bad thing, sorry? I was just trying to justify the respawning barracks, I know you can comeback without them respawning.




You are an idiot. You know not of what you speak.

Im not really into the whole "HoN vs LoL" deal, people can play whatever they like as long as i dont have to join them. I am, however, against the whole idiocy+flawed logic deal.

Oh and go ahead and start crying "ooooooooh thats so not what i said" because, yes, thats what you said. You were comparing two games that can almost be called "similar", but still not really, and you made some ****ing dumbass comments and i called you out on it. L2Think.

Assmega.

I wasn't trying to compare games. I was just commenting on someone's post. You called me out, and I've responded.

Everything you said, I did not intend those meanings to come across in my commentary on someone's post. Sorry for pissing you off.

[SideKick1]

I didn't mean to insinuate that HoN was about running away, allowed you to get away with mistakes or any of the other things you mention here. Sorry for my poor wording.





I didn't know allowing the possibility of a comeback was such a bad thing, sorry? I was just trying to justify the respawning barracks, I know you can comeback without them respawning.




I wasn't trying to compare games. I was just commenting on someone's post. You called me out, and I've responded.

Everything you said, I did not intend those meanings to come across in my commentary on someone's post. Sorry for pissing you off.
thats not narfle being mad, thats just narfle

[LolMaliken]

thats not narfle being mad, thats just narfle
104% this

[canikizu]

Tell him that if he can be good at lol, everyone can.

[Jawohl]

I rape you in butt.

[coolmans]

I rape you in butt.


i paint yo face!


http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9944/sprayon.gif

[Not_IceFrog]

Your friend made the right choice
HoN is a good game, its the players who play it that make it bad

[DeathsAudit]

why. why would you resurrect this old pointless thread. fail. >_<

[Bjornkloo]

but now it seems that LoL has stolen his soul

Pick soul reaper!!! YOUR SOUL IS MINE!!!!!!

[ILoveSky]

i think the relevant term is "youth in asia" or something.
euthanasia

[AngryGanker]

I introduced my friend to drugs now he won't play D&D

[ILoveSky]

It's his opinion, it's not wrong or right. If he likes LoL more than HoN, then so be it.

[`Smite]

It's his opinion, it's not wrong or right. If he likes LoL more than HoN, then so be it.
Agree on this one, who cares if he wont play HoN.

[Narfle]

euthanasia

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