5 Biggest earners in competitive gaming

[Q]

Just caught this interesting blog post: http://www.playedonline.com/blog/2010/01/20/5-biggest-earners-in-competitive-gaming

No Dota players but there is one WC3 player (Grubby).

Talk about a "dreamjob"...

[remind]

Always thought moon earned more then grubby. I guess not.

[magnakaser]

I always thought them Koreans got paid better.

Also, I'd long since heard of all these dudes except the Halo guy. Is that 'cause I live under a PC-shaped rock or is anyone else in the same boat?

[KnightDavion]

Nice read. Somewhat sad though when you compare it to say major league baseball where the league minimums are double or triple what these guys earn.I guess when it comes to games its more profitable to be strong than smart =/

[magnakaser]

Nice read. Somewhat sad though when you compare it to say major league baseball where the league minimums are double or triple what these guys earn.I guess when it comes to games its more profitable to be strong than smart =/

Didn't you get that reversed? Smart seems to outweigh strength here. Dude invested 100k in Xfire and turned it around for 100mil, seems like more of a smart maneuver than anything.

[Sinestro]

Nice read. Somewhat sad though when you compare it to say major league baseball where the league minimums are double or triple what these guys earn.I guess when it comes to games its more profitable to be strong than smart =/

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Did you really just try to compare player wage in gaming to Baseball?

[ImmortalTecz]

That dude tresh got 120 millions for Xfire? gawd

[KnightDavion]

Didn't you get that reversed? Smart seems to outweigh strength here. Dude invested 100k in Xfire and turned it around for 100mil, seems like more of a smart maneuver than anything.

Meh, a 1 time deal for 100mil isnt anything really special in major league sports. That said, its awesome for him, and hes obv very successful for a gamer. Also its not fair to compare spectator games to non spectator games...but its fun to compare extremes sometimes to keep things in perspective.

[SideKick1]

Considering Moon got signed to WeMadeFox for roughly 473, 037 USD, the second highest earner in Korean e-sports
besides winning many tournaments and lans, i'd say he in reality is earning/earned more then grubby

either way they are both excellent players

also Yoon Yeol ‘NaDa’ Lee was signed for more then moon (same team) and is the highest paid Korean in e-sports

both definately earn more then Jaedong

Moon earns (roughly 10 000 USD, monthly)

"In March, 2009 he signed a three year contract with Korean professional electronic sports team WeMade FOX which will earn him 700,000,000 won (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_won) or roughly $468,227 USD."

sources:
http://www.gossipgamers.com/wc3-gamer-jae-ho-moon-jang-signs-with-wemade-fox-for-473037-usd/
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/22569-Moon_joins_WeMade_FOX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Jae_Ho
http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/news/9676-moon-signs-a-390-000-contract-with-fox

[Well_Shebber]

Hah, I guessed 3 out of 5 before reading the list; T2, Jaedong, and Fatal1ty.

Kill me now.

[ldelusionl]

Too bad Str8 got 3-0'd in Orlando by the fags in my sig!

[Megumijk]

Too bad Str8 got 3-0'd in Orlando by the fags in my sig!

Too bad console gaming is for casual fagts.

[ImmortalTecz]

Reporter: So Thresh you are now an millionaire, how did this happend?
Thresh: Well i started by owning people in Quake...

[Evozer]

I thought walshy made more than T2, atleast in the past

[jar]

I think of all the proffesional gamers I have ever heard of, this guy is probably the most successful. He's living the dream.



http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Zizeks-Blog/Serennia-stole-my-iPod

[Zulukas]

I wish I got paid ludicrous numbers for sitting on my ass playing video games for several hours a day...

[halfthought]

Fatal1ty is a tool :/.

Also that list is wildly inaccurate.

lol.


I wish I got paid ludicrous numbers for sitting on my ass playing video games for several hours a day...


1528Then stop wishing and start trying to stop sucking.

[Nome]

Bad list, where's Justin Wong?

Don't think JWong actually makes that much from playing :P

[Azgalor]

fighting games have like no pay out

[ClownFoot]

his fiance Cassandra ?Cassandra? Ng.

wow, i wish my real name was my nickname

[SideKick1]

wow, i wish my real name was my nickname
you will always be clownfoot to me

[OTRobin]

5 Biggest boners in competitive gaming

[OTBatman]

basically

also gaming isnt as famous as other sports if you havent noticed yet

unless you live in korea

[Sinestro]

Gaming as a sport
hahahahahahahahahahahahah.

Man, people crack me up. gaming isn't a sport, it's a hobby.

[thethedead]

Sports isn't an sport, it's an hobby.

[Novice]

Why is Fatal1ty on the list? I mean, in UT2k3, the guy wasn't even on the competitive level, heard rumors of him doing some pub stomping on Q3, but at least in iDM scene the guy didn't even manage to pull off against top 5 clan members.

Gaming isn't even an hobby, its a way to spend some time.

[h4x2]

jaedong <3

As a dream career, gaming? Nah.

[OTBatman]

Gaming as a sport
hahahahahahahahahahahahah.

Man, people crack me up. gaming isn't a sport, it's a hobby.
:zeph:

[Meem]

Listen and listen well,

the future of sports is gaming.

[Lloyd2k4]

I'd rather design games than play games for a living, but that's just me.

[OTBatman]

Listen and listen well,

the future of sports is gaming.
not really

gaming will grow, and become popular eventually, but real sports will always be there.

gravity boots imo

[Narfle]

Listen and listen well,

the future of sports is gaming.

Mouse, dont feed the trolls.

And shame on you for not spotting them when theyre wearing troll masks, wear t-shirts with the text "im a troll" and have a huge sign saying "TROLL!!" and then an arrow pointing down.

Just keep reporting their troll posts and sooner or later they will get an IP permaban.

[OTBatman]

narfle ill up you :deme:

your move

[COOLFACEBRO]

The Halo cretin made me facepalm. To mention some console nobody in the same breath as Jae Dong and Thresh is pathetic.

[Marylinn]

Too bad console gaming is for casual fagts.
There's a pretty big scene for Namco fighting games still, actually. Just not on an international level, I guess.

[Megumijk]

There's a pretty big scene for Namco fighting games still, actually. Just not on an international level, I guess.

Arcade =/= console.

Even if it's on the console without the arcade controller, I consider fighters to be arcade as their ideal environment.

[remind]

Nice read. Somewhat sad though when you compare it to say major league baseball where the league minimums are double or triple what these guys earn.I guess when it comes to games its more profitable to be strong than smart =/

i doubt these guys can make it big in baseball even if they started young. So comparing those two is kinda mute as they require different sets of skills/traits/abilities

[Marylinn]

Arcade =/= console.

Even if it's on the console without the arcade controller, I consider fighters to be arcade as their ideal environment.
I agree. Most people who play competitively end up buying universal arcade pads anyway. I finally broke down and bought one recently. Hopefully I can win my money back via betting in the dorm commons against the SCIV players. :P

[jar]

I agree. Most people who play competitively end up buying universal arcade pads anyway. I finally broke down and bought one recently. Hopefully I can win my money back via betting in the dorm commons against the SCIV players. :P



Do those games have -em settings?

















ZING!

[magnakaser]

Do those games have -em settings?

ZING!

MvC does!

[jay`t]

Do those games have -em settings?


ZING!


lol'd:poll:

[KiLLMeNoW]

speaking of jaedong, who watching MSL finals flash vs jaedong

[Gedok]

I always thought them Koreans got paid better.

Also, I'd long since heard of all these dudes except the Halo guy. Is that 'cause I live under a PC-shaped rock or is anyone else in the same boat?

Nah, I heard about the Halo guy. STR8 Ripping is pretty much always on MLG Halo tournaments.

Although I believe MLG is holding back eSports in America. No self-respecting gamer would ever consider autoaim games like Halo to be "competitive"

[Murs]

now post the top 5 earners in today's market

[LadyGaga]

None of them fit the stereotypes I would associate with gaming... (Except the asian guy)

[Sinestro]

What about Fatal!ty for being "the biggest fagget of all time"?

He fits into that stereotype pretty well. Have you ever seen the interviews or whatever on this kid? He's just like "YO IM GONNA SHOW YOU SOME TRICKS CAUSE IM FATALITY THE BEST NIGGAS IM THE BEST I **** ALL OVER ALL OF YOU HAHAHAH YOURE TERRIBLE GET **** ON *****ES"

No, seriously. He just always goes on about how awesome he is and how he's better than all kinds of people. And, what's best, is there's footage of him somewhere in the bowels of youtube of him playing in UT2k3 noob servers, cleaning up and ****ing GOING OFF because he's so awesome. He's a really, really pathetic person.

None of them fit the stereotypes I would associate with gaming... (Except the asian guy)

Cause stereotypes are stereotypes.

Did you expect them to be fat, pimple-faced and ugly simply because they are EXTREMELY good at "video games"? lol, how naive.

Talent and dedication has no definite shape or color.

[LadyGaga]

Cause stereotypes are stereotypes.

Did you expect them to be fat, pimple-faced and ugly simply because they are EXTREMELY good at "video games"? lol, how naive.

Talent and dedication has no definite shape or color.
I never said I would expect them to fit that though..... (Maybe it was implied, not intentionally)

I never said I would expect them to fit that though..... (Maybe it was implied, not intentionally)

Thanks for stating the obvious

[RetardDrool]

Wheres Maliken?l

[GoldenF2P]

I lol when I own people in gaylo and they scream in the mic about how autoaim is for noobs. Then they talk about how they could own me at whatever pc fps they play, so i'll take down their steam id or game id in game or whatever it is for the title. Go to my friend's house and tear them up at their own non auto aim game. It's not about auto aim, it's about skill.

I go to my friend's house cuz I'm too poor to afford a good pc :( He also already has most of the big fps titles.

If you think I'm lying, let's boot up your game and I'll try to contact you for a friendly match, I'm not really into beating the snot out of someone just to stroke the peen. Also I'll probably just friend you after the match if you want :)

edit: That came out a lot more conceited than I wanted it to :/

[SideKick1]

I lol when I own people in gaylo and they scream in the mic about how autoaim is for noobs. Then they talk about how they could own me at whatever pc fps they play, so i'll take down their steam id or game id in game or whatever it is for the title. Go to my friend's house and tear them up at their own non auto aim game. It's not about auto aim, it's about skill.

I go to my friend's house cuz I'm too poor to afford a good pc :( He also already has most of the big fps titles.

If you think I'm lying, let's boot up your game and I'll try to contact you for a friendly match, I'm not really into beating the snot out of someone just to stroke the peen. Also I'll probably just friend you after the match if you want :)

edit: That came out a lot more conceited than I wanted it to :/
i reread your post 3 times
i still dont get what it has to do with the thread

[Narfle]

I lol when I own people in gaylo and they scream in the mic about how autoaim is for noobs. Then they talk about how they could own me at whatever pc fps they play, so i'll take down their steam id or game id in game or whatever it is for the title. Go to my friend's house and tear them up at their own non auto aim game. It's not about auto aim, it's about skill.

I go to my friend's house cuz I'm too poor to afford a good pc :( He also already has most of the big fps titles.

If you think I'm lying, let's boot up your game and I'll try to contact you for a friendly match, I'm not really into beating the snot out of someone just to stroke the peen. Also I'll probably just friend you after the match if you want :)

edit: That came out a lot more conceited than I wanted it to :/

I guess the most important piece of information in the post im quoting is the name of the poster.

EDIT: I just checked your stats, i guess your statements does not apply to HoN. Come talk when your winrate is 50% or higher. Or your psr rises above 1550 after 250 games.

[GoldenF2P]

I was just commenting on someone saying that auto aim takes no skill. I don't have much of an opinion about any of the listed top five gamers.

After reading a bunch of narfle's posts, you seem like such an instigator :/
umadbro?

[Crap]

Bad list, where's Justin Wong?


I hope he doesn't get that much.

Stupid fat ****.

[Sinestro]

After reading a bunch of narfle's posts, you seem like such an instigator :/
umadbro?

He's one of the biggest trolls on the forum. Horrible at it, too.

[GoldenF2P]

figured as much

[LadyGaga]

Thanks for stating the obvious
Your welcome, I knew you needed the help...

[LazyAznGirl]

what about complexity and 3d|Ny

[Randomguy360]

"best zerg player"


that made me laugh


step 1, spawn more overlords

step 2, spawn hundreds of zergs 5 minutes in.


also watched a str8 rippin halo montage, can't say I'm impressed.... if average gaming like that gets you that much money, sign me up for gaylo tournaments!


you wanna see real skill? Tribes / Tribes 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0OOLeJKCs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlAmFPL6xgc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8U6EYKNKdI&feature=related - shrikes were insanely difficult to aim / pilot, though this video doesn't show it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il2tGbQR3ys more flag cappin



man, now im all nostalgic :(


Waking up to find that the servers were shut down, was like watching someone you love die :C

[Gedok]

http://tribesnext.com/

Get your tribes 2 fill here.

As for best fragging movies, Get Quaked 3

http://www.pldx.com/movie/41/Get_Quaked_3/

[Randomguy360]

http://tribesnext.com/

Get your tribes 2 fill here.

As for best fragging movies, Get Quaked 3

http://www.pldx.com/movie/41/Get_Quaked_3/


eh, tribesnext just isn't the same :(

let the fallen rest in peace

[Narfle]

i loved tribes 2 because i could ****ing fly in that game

may sound a bit retarded, but if you think so then you have no idea how much that opened up the game strategically.

EDIT: I watched the vids. I dont get why you like the 3 first, but the fourth shows how into the game people were, great teamwork.

[Randomguy360]

Honestly, if any developers were SMART

they would take the tribes engine, copy and paste it EXACTLY like it was onto an updated engine, improve the graphics / HUD a little bit


and sell it as another Tribes game.


The ONLY reason Tribes failed, was because they had no idea how to market, not many people have ever heard of the game, the only reason i found it was cause i was walking through some aisle when i was like 8, and then i saw the Tribes Box, and I went "hmm, could be a good game" so i got it


much later, when tribes 2 was out for a bit, i lost my disc, so i went to go buy another one and found out that the game was only 8 dollars!?



Such a shame the game didnt have better marketing, it would still be the juggernaut of FPS games, and gaylo would cry in a corner somewhere.

[Narfle]

I really dont know about that, because WoW clearly shows how tons of people likes crappy games and are willing to pay mad money for the system to babysit them while they pick up virtual flowers.

I dont think it will be canon if a new version of Tribes is released though, because Dynamix died shortly after Tribes 2 was released, if my memory serves me right. I guess they could track down the vital people though, and use them as lead designers.

Also, Sierra is owned by Activision (afaik), a name you might remember from Activision Blizzard, and trust me, you DONT want blizzurd to have anything at all to do with remaking your beloved FPS.

But there were talks a year ago or something about blizzurd wanting to sell off Sierra, so maybe we could ask Bethesda to pick it up like they did with Fallout?

They might not be the ideal choice (bethesda), but they do know how to make good games and a good engine. And they clearly care about the quality of their games as well as their gamers (as Shivering Isles illustrated).

Bit of a stretch, but i dont believe in god so i gotta have faith in something else.

[Randomguy360]

if anyone but the makers of the original worked on it, they would strip all the best elements from it


(the IMMENSE maps, the extremely high paced action packed battles, the extreme modability of the game, etc.)


anyone else would turn it into tribes lite.


god, so many fond memories of tribes, i wish i had a time machine :(



I like them all, because they all show a pretty good amount of skill, especially compared to...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr5Dnk4Rd3k


I mean, that looks like my average game when i play halo, how does that kind of gameplay net you that much money?
people like mediocre games these days :|

Cant blame the FPS fans though, no FPS games out right now could hold a candle to tribes.

[Gedok]

i
Cant blame the FPS fans though, no FPS games out right now could hold a candle to tribes.

Quake Live.

[Xitras]

Unreal Tournament 99 was the most fun I ever had with an FPS game. Does anyone still play it? I want to know if theres still a decently sized online community, because I was thinking of buying it again since I lost the disk.

[Narfle]

ipeople like mediocre games these days :|

Cant blame the FPS fans though, no FPS games out right now could hold a candle to tribes.

Yes, people like mediocre games these days, and even like crap games. WoW having 8 million subscribers makes me ashamed of being an online gamer, just because various morons will ask me if i play WoW.

And the whole Left 4 Dead craze? What-the-****. Valves worst FPS game gaining silly amounts of popularity? Has the world gone made or do people just not remember what kind of quality Valve used to produce? Its like theyre not even trying anymore.

I actually played through about a quarter of the game in an hour or two at a net cafe with a mate that wanted to show me the game. And how much game time was Half-Life worth? Cant say for sure, but im pretty sure it was more than 8 hours.

And yet, people actually tell me that L4D (and now the sequel) is the best game Valve ever made.

But srsly you guys, you guys, srsly. Why have no other gaming company picked up on how awesome rocket boots was? Such a simple addition that did so incredibly much. People seem to understand why rocket jumping was awesome, but not rocket boots.

At this moment, most of my faith for the future of gaming lies with bethesda, but statistically speaking, they will end up making mass-marketable crap as well. They almost did with Oblivion. Morrowind had such enormous depth, but too many retards didnt get it and voila, heres Oblivion. Would you like a dumbed down version of Morrowind with added babysitting features? Have some Oblivion.

Voila, a celebrated game. I used to love gamers, now theyre one of my most hated groups of people.

EDIT: I just watched (some) of the vid you linked. They aint that bad, not top tier or anything obviously, but not that bad. They would probably be in the top 5 clans of the intranet CS server of the dorm i used to live at some years ago.

But is it just me or does their game have a little auto-aim? And if so, why? And wtf is that **** with their aiming marker changing color when theyre supposed to shoot? Isnt that a bannable offence in FPS gaming?

[SideKick1]

"best zerg player"


that made me laugh


step 1, spawn more overlords

step 2, spawn hundreds of zergs 5 minutes in.


also watched a str8 rippin halo montage, can't say I'm impressed.... if average gaming like that gets you that much money, sign me up for gaylo tournaments!


you wanna see real skill? Tribes / Tribes 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0OOLeJKCs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlAmFPL6xgc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8U6EYKNKdI&feature=related - shrikes were insanely difficult to aim / pilot, though this video doesn't show it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il2tGbQR3ys more flag cappin



man, now im all nostalgic :(


Waking up to find that the servers were shut down, was like watching someone you love die :C
i love when people talk about someone lacking skill when they cant beat the person

[maarte1]

too bad Flash is #1 right now. terra>zerg.

[Pro]

I was pretty sure Moon earned more than Grubby just by the monthly salary he earned not even including any tournament prizes. I cant find the link right now but Im sure it was around 8000€ ($ 11.000) a month on basic salary. Then he won around 200k in - was it 2007? have to look it up once im home but im sure it was way more than 250k total.

[SideKick1]

I was pretty sure Moon earned more than Grubby just by the monthly salary he earned not even including any tournament prizes. I cant find the link right now but Im sure it was around 8000? ($ 11.000) a month on basic salary. Then he won around 200k in - was it 2007? have to look it up once im home but im sure it was way more than 250k total.

Considering Moon got signed to WeMadeFox for roughly 473, 037 USD, the second highest earner in Korean e-sports
besides winning many tournaments and lans, i'd say he in reality is earning/earned more then grubby

either way they are both excellent players

also Yoon Yeol ?NaDa? Lee was signed for more then moon (same team) and is the highest paid Korean in e-sports

both definately earn more then Jaedong

Moon earns (roughly 10 000 USD, monthly)

"In March, 2009 he signed a three year contract with Korean professional electronic sports team WeMade FOX which will earn him 700,000,000 won (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_won) or roughly $468,227 USD."

sources:
http://www.gossipgamers.com/wc3-gamer-jae-ho-moon-jang-signs-with-wemade-fox-for-473037-usd/
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/22569-Moon_joins_WeMade_FOX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Jae_Ho
http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/news/9676-moon-signs-a-390-000-contract-with-fox
l2read first page

[Pro]

learn to not quote your own copypasta.

[SideKick1]

learn to not quote your own copypasta.
you are lucky stupidity isnt a crime

[Randomguy360]

i love when people talk about someone lacking skill when they cant beat the person



I could probably get quite a few kills off if i played gaylo for about 5 hours and remembered how easy the auto aim was
when they make a montage of a real game, I'll respect their skills as FPS gamers.

[SideKick1]

I could probably get quite a few kills off if i played gaylo for about 5 hours and remembered how easy the auto aim was
when they make a montage of a real game, I'll respect their skills as FPS gamers.
i was referring to you saying Jaedong had no skill when he would beat you with any race

[Randomguy360]

i was referring to you saying Jaedong had no skill when he would beat you with any race



best zerg player is still not a very big accomplishment, rushing zerglings was never very hard, he just mastered how to do it the quickest way possible.


Best protoss / terran player would sound alot better.


I never said he had no skill, I'm sure he would rape me with no lube if i 1v1d him, but zerg is still the easiest race.



K, watched a game, him vs Zer0, and that was boring as hell, both of them rushed like... 10 mutalisks and whoever won the 10v10 mutalisk battle won, and zer0 quit

I'd much rather watch 2 people who are new to the game battle it out, but w/e

[SideKick1]

best zerg player is still not a very big accomplishment, rushing zerglings was never very hard, he just mastered how to do it the quickest way possible.


Best protoss / terran player would sound alot better.


I never said he had no skill, I'm sure he would rape me with no lube if i 1v1d him, but zerg is still the easiest race.



K, watched a game, him vs Zer0, and that was boring as hell, both of them rushed like... 10 mutalisks and whoever won the 10v10 mutalisk battle won, and zer0 quit

I'd much rather watch 2 people who are new to the game battle it out, but w/e
zerg isnt really THAT strong
theres a slight imbalance between zerg vs protoss
mirror match is obviously balanced
terran vs zerg is balanced if not slightly in favour of terran

rushing zerglings is not the only zerg strategy and Jaedong is well known for his innovation within the race

also the easiest race at your/my level (low-mid) is by far protoss
mutalisk rush = zergling rush????????????

why would you want to watch new people?
youd watch two people make mistake after mistake and waste tonnes of time trying to figure things out and complete simple tasks
nthx

[Torment]

best zerg player is still not a very big accomplishment, rushing zerglings was never very hard, he just mastered how to do it the quickest way possible.


Best protoss / terran player would sound alot better.


I never said he had no skill, I'm sure he would rape me with no lube if i 1v1d him, but zerg is still the easiest race.



K, watched a game, him vs Zer0, and that was boring as hell, both of them rushed like... 10 mutalisks and whoever won the 10v10 mutalisk battle won, and zer0 quit

I'd much rather watch 2 people who are new to the game battle it out, but w/e

You just described every ZvZ ever where someone doesn't screw up in the first 5 minutes and their build order gets countered hard. I get the feeling you don't know much about pro level matchups if you don't know ZvZ only uses 3 units. Zerglings, Mutalisks and sometimes Scourge.

Except I guess when both players don't feel safe enough to commit to an attack and the game drags out for 60 minutes and you start seeing crazy **** like devourers used. But that only happened that one time.

[Sigoth]

alltho wow isnt classed as an e-sport id assume Kungen ( guild leader of nihilium/ensidia has made a fair bit of cash, Hes sponsored has been asked to blizzcon yearly travels all around the world for diffrent events, and i think his guild also has a 3v3 competetive team.

[SideKick1]

You just described every ZvZ ever where someone doesn't screw up in the first 5 minutes and their build order gets countered hard. I get the feeling you don't know much about pro level matchups if you don't know ZvZ only uses 3 units. Zerglings, Mutalisks and sometimes Scourge.

Except I guess when both players don't feel safe enough to commit to an attack and the game drags out for 60 minutes and you start seeing crazy **** like devourers used. But that only happened that one time.
what happens when one of those zergs is hyuk
http://fs1.us.cyworld.com/data2/2008/02/10/155/1202678355740026_file.jpg

[Torment]

what happens when one of those zergs is hyuk

He rapes the hell out of Saviour and Jaedong and makes them look like chumps.

Duh.

[Randomguy360]

You just described every ZvZ ever where someone doesn't screw up in the first 5 minutes and their build order gets countered hard. I get the feeling you don't know much about pro level matchups if you don't know ZvZ only uses 3 units. Zerglings, Mutalisks and sometimes Scourge.

Except I guess when both players don't feel safe enough to commit to an attack and the game drags out for 60 minutes and you start seeing crazy **** like devourers used. But that only happened that one time.


Well, if people find that fun to A) DO and B) Watch

then, more power to them... but to me, that's the most boring thing in the world, I'd much rather watch paint dry.

[SideKick1]

He rapes the hell out of Saviour and Jaedong and makes them look like chumps.

Duh.
would you say they get hyuked?

[SideKick1]

Well, if people find that fun to A) DO and B) Watch

then, more power to them... but to me, that's the most boring thing in the world, I'd much rather watch paint dry.
watching paint dry: more fun then watching two skilled players outmicro and outplay each other in an even match up

[Randomguy360]

watching paint dry: more fun then watching two skilled players outmicro and outplay each other in an even match up



if by out micro you mean watch them select their mutalisks and right click other mutalisks....

then yes.


I'm watching these videos, and I feel like going to sleep


TvZ - RCV rush (w/e the T builders were called) vs zerg rush


Hmm, wonder who wins that one, same outcome

These are incredibly boring, and im not seeing anything more than Attack moving and then focus firing when they meet something.

[SideKick1]

if by out micro you mean watch them select their mutalisks and right click other mutalisks....

then yes.
"you are lucky stupidity isnt a crime"
also applies to you i see

[Randomguy360]

"you are lucky stupidity isnt a crime"
also applies to you i see



Your insanely boring E-sport is being insulted, I can understand why you're angry.

[Torment]

Well, if people find that fun to A) DO and B) Watch

then, more power to them... but to me, that's the most boring thing in the world, I'd much rather watch paint dry.

It's not really any worse than TvT and SIEGE TANKS, where most of the game revolves around packs of goliaths/tanks roving the map in dropships.

ZvZ is one of the most micro intensive matchups, typically resulting in the fastest games of any matchup, and despite only using 3 units, still has plenty of potential for exciting close calls or daring moves. Getting a pair of scourge instead of a extra mutalisk is a gamble, but if you pull it off, you can take 2 of his mutalisk out of the fight.


would you say they get hyuked?
No.

[SideKick1]

Your insanely boring E-sport is being insulted, I can understand why you're angry.
sc isnt my esport
wc3 was my esport that i played semi-competetively (a few minor leagues and tournaments before i moved onto HoN and other games)
and no im not angry, if you find something boring fine
but dont say blatant falsehoods like they arent microing the mutalisks

[Randomguy360]

sc isnt my esport
wc3 was my esport that i played semi-competetively (a few minor leagues and tournaments before i moved onto HoN and other games)
and no im not angry, if you find something boring fine
but dont say blatant falsehoods like they arent microing the mutalisks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIhNRXOsnlU


intense micro goin on there, blue guy does attack walk, and you can tell cause he leaves several zerglings behind

not that it matters, because the only micro going on was putting the other zergs in a semicircle and clicking hold pos while he builds mutalisks then attack walks them to the enemy base, watching them and making sure he can focus fire if he runs into any others.


ive seen better microing in games of golem wars....


Dont tell me that right clicking backwards, and then right clicking the kamikazees (i forgot their names too, sue me) and then right clicking back again is that hard.

[SideKick1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIhNRXOsnlU


intense micro goin on there, blue guy does attack walk, and you can tell cause he leaves several zerglings behind

not that it matters, because the only micro going on was putting the other zergs in a semicircle and clicking hold pos while he builds mutalisks then attack walks them to the enemy base, watching them and making sure he can focus fire if he runs into any others.


ive seen better microing in games of golem wars....


Dont tell me that right clicking backwards, and then right clicking the kamikazees (i forgot their names too, sue me) and then right clicking back again is that hard.
for starters there is no blue
you find a few minor mistakes and use it as evidence assuming it happens to everyone every game
you seem to purposely ignore they are managing their buildings and economy while doing this
you can see them microing back damaged zerglings and carefully calculating the zerglings used
jaedong is also using his drones to target teals zerglings that are closest to kill them faster
you assume they are attack moving the mutalisks but they arent
you can also seem them "orb walking" the mutalisks (moving forward as soon as an attack animation is finished but before the attack cooldown is done and attacking the second it is)
you can see them both stacking mutalisks and using their zerglings (its not attack move btw) at the same time
you can seem them carefully controlling the mutalisks to kill the zerglings scouting in one volley so they cant escape
you can see them harassing with zerglings and the other countering it with drones

theres quite a bit of microing going on, nevermind the enormous out of macro as well in scouting building mining and training units at the same time
i think you just suffer from being bad/possibly retarded

[Flair]

And the whole Left 4 Dead craze? What-the-****. Valves worst FPS game gaining silly amounts of popularity? Has the world gone made or do people just not remember what kind of quality Valve used to produce? Its like theyre not even trying anymore.

I actually played through about a quarter of the game in an hour or two at a net cafe with a mate that wanted to show me the game. And how much game time was Half-Life worth? Cant say for sure, but im pretty sure it was more than 8 hours.

And yet, people actually tell me that L4D (and now the sequel) is the best game Valve ever made.
I've played 15 minutes of HoN in a practice match and won it.
That's all it could offer me.
15 minutes worth of game time.

That's your argument, simplified, but equally stupid.

[Randomguy360]

for starters there is no blue
you find a few minor mistakes and use it as evidence assuming it happens to everyone every game
you seem to purposely ignore they are managing their buildings and economy while doing this
you can see them microing back damaged zerglings and carefully calculating the zerglings used
jaedong is also using his drones to target teals zerglings that are closest to kill them faster
you assume they are attack moving the mutalisks but they arent
you can also seem them "orb walking" the mutalisks (moving forward as soon as an attack animation is finished but before the attack cooldown is done and attacking the second it is)
you can see them both stacking mutalisks and using their zerglings (its not attack move btw) at the same time
you can seem them carefully controlling the mutalisks to kill the zerglings scouting in one volley so they cant escape
you can see them harassing with zerglings and the other countering it with drones

theres quite a bit of microing going on, nevermind the enormous out of macro as well in scouting building mining and training units at the same time
i think you just suffer from being bad/possibly retarded

Omg, ignore that mistake, it counters my argument!

The "calculated volley of attacks" by the mutalisks? really? because all i saw was selecting all of them and right clicking a zergling, then another

a few escaped, and he just went back to base to get more mutalisks.
Countering with drones is still selecting and right clicking.
i see him microing back zerglings before they die to the hold position semicircle.
"orb walking" is incredibly easy, and if you DON'T do it in a game, you're just gimping yourself, its a basic (yes, even in HoN!)
managing your buildings is another basic, and control groups makes it easy.


Expansion is yet another basic, you send a builder out (with troops if you feel it necessary) and then tell them to build near a mine, bam, you're done for a minute while it builds, then you queue up a few more gatherers and have them gather!

The only thing going on in these games is years of learning the fastest way to do something.

Yeah, we're done here.

[SideKick1]

Omg, ignore that mistake, it counters my argument!

The "calculated volley of attacks" by the mutalisks? really? because all i saw was selecting all of them and right clicking a zergling, then another

a few escaped, and he just went back to base to get more mutalisks.
Countering with drones is still selecting and right clicking.
i see him microing back zerglings before they die to the hold position semicircle.
"orb walking" is incredibly easy, and if you DON'T do it in a game, you're just gimping yourself, its a basic (yes, even in HoN!)
managing your buildings is another basic, and control groups makes it easy.

Yeah, we're done here.
definately retarded
you state things in its most basic forms, ignore how many things they are doing at once, imply it is incredibly easy and you could do better
but it isnt that easy, theres way more going on then what you see from the observer prespective and you cant do better

its like saying to me
"all your doing is clicking an item then clicking a low hp unit to send it back to base, while clicking your paladin and pressing a hotkey to cast heal on your archmage while moving the archmage back and using summon water elemental and cancelling the casting animation with another right click while training more gryphons and knights, building a workshop, moving back a half hp knight and focusing an enemy crypt fiend while stunning a dk with your mk so he cant heal it, thats not micro thats really easy"

whereas its not actually really easy (and ofc if you think it is im perfectly willing to take you up on that and 1vs1 you in wc3)

basically youre retarded and have no idea whats actually going on and shouldnt talk, youre like the >50% bads who join obs games and critisize the players

[Randomguy360]

definately retarded
you state things in its most basic forms, ignore how many things they are doing at once, imply it is incredibly easy and you could do better
but it isnt that easy, theres way more going on then what you see from the observer prespective and you cant do better

its like saying to me
"all your doing is clicking an item then clicking a low hp unit to send it back to base, while clicking your paladin and pressing a hotkey to cast heal on your archmage while moving the archmage back and using summon water elemental and cancelling the casting animation with another right click while training more gryphons and knights, building a workshop, moving back a half hp knight and focusing an enemy crypt fiend while stunning a dk with your mk so he cant heal it, thats not micro thats really easy"

whereas its not actually really easy (and ofc if you think it is im perfectly willing to take you up on that and 1vs1 you in wc3)

basically youre retarded and have no idea whats actually going on and shouldnt talk, youre like the >50% bads who join obs games and critisize the players

you would beat me simply for the fact that I haven't played wc3 or sc2 in 10+ years.


K, these units are vital to my game, so I'm gonna select the building that makes em, and I'm gonna press ctrl 1


After I make all these units, I'd better select em and press ctrl 2, and maybe make a smaller group of them in ctrl 3, that way I can micro manage easier




In the fight - ****, losin units - 1, insert build hotkeys here, 2 right click 3 ability 2 right click



Really, its as natural as breathing when you get used to it.


if hotkeys didn't exist, then this would be the most insane show of skill and mastery over a game that I could imagine. Sadly, hotkeys DO exist, and they make microing MUCH easier.

[SideKick1]

you would beat me simply for the fact that I haven't played wc3 or sc2 in 10+ years.


K, these units are vital to my game, so I'm gonna select the building that makes em, and I'm gonna press ctrl 1


After I make all these units, I'd better select em and press ctrl 2, and maybe make a smaller group of them in ctrl 3, that way I can micro manage easier




In the fight - ****, losin units - ctrl 1, 1112311, ctrl 2 right click ctrl 3 ability ctrl 2 right click



Really, its as natural as breathing when you get used to it.
wc3 is 7 years old
sc is 11 (barely) and thats for the originals not the expansions
i really hope it hurts to be this stupid
also its really isnt as easy as that, (perhaps playing an AI is) but an actual player isnt just going to let your subpar micro go off without a hitch, people play for years and still cant break into the competetive scene but GEE YOU SAY ITS SO EASY SO IT MUST BE!

And more like in the fight:
Gotta use this spell on x, gotta use thios item, gotta move this back move this forward, move those back, continue building more units and buildings, use spell x and x at basically the same time on two entirely different heroes in entirely different control groups, while keeping in mind im monitering 20+ units at once
damn its as easy as breathing why didnt i realize

[Randomguy360]

wc3 is 7 years old
sc is 11 (barely) and thats for the originals not the expansions
i really hope it hurts to be this stupid
also its really isnt as easy as that, (perhaps playing an AI is) but an actual player isnt just going to let your subpar micro go off without a hitch, people play for years and still cant break into the competetive scene but GEE YOU SAY ITS SO EASY SO IT MUST BE!

And more like in the fight:
Gotta use this spell on x, gotta use thios item, gotta move this back move this forward, move those back, continue building more units and buildings, use spell x and x at basically the same time on two entirely different heroes in entirely different control groups, while keeping in mind im monitering 20+ units at once
damn its as easy as breathing why didnt i realize



Excuse me for giving a rough estimate, oh wise sultan of the gaming industry.
You are over complicating it drastically, that or you're just slow in the head, and natural fast reaction is a challenge for you.


And please, enlighten me, since when did anything other than top 5/10 in the world mean you weren't a competetive gamer?
Anyone with a game they love, and being advanced at it (with the desire to improve), can make it into competetive tournaments.


if you can play a solid ophelia, you can probably play some damn good starcraft (and by solid, i don't mean 3-4 minos and tabspamming q.


And you're talking about Warcraft, which has ALOT more micro potential than SC, mainly because in WC you did have items, and ALOT more units with gamechanging abilities that needed to be targeted. I really hope you aren't stupid enough to try and compare wc3 to sc2...

Oh wait, you already did.

[Randomguy360]

Also, quake live IS pretty damn good, but i still prefer the extreme vertical combat and massive maps that tribes offered



Watched Stermy vs Fatality, and it was awesome.

[Crap]

..What the hell are you guys talking about?

[Narfle]

I've played 15 minutes of HoN in a practice match and won it.
That's all it could offer me.
15 minutes worth of game time.

That's your argument, simplified, but equally stupid.

I feel i should write you an actual reply, but based on yours, you dont really read very well.

So uggi buffi mochla gedorfen.

Thats your argument, expanded, but nowhere near as stupid.

I feel like i should add some sort of picture you can look at.

:confused:

Will that do?

[SideKick1]

Excuse me for giving a rough estimate, oh wise sultan of the gaming industry.
You are over complicating it drastically, that or you're just slow in the head, and natural fast reaction is a challenge for you.


And please, enlighten me, since when did anything other than top 5/10 in the world mean you weren't a competetive gamer?
Anyone with a game they love, and being advanced at it (with the desire to improve), can make it into competetive tournaments.


if you can play a solid ophelia, you can probably play some damn good starcraft (and by solid, i don't mean 3-4 minos and tabspamming q.


And you're talking about Warcraft, which has ALOT more micro potential than SC, mainly because in WC you did have items, and ALOT more units with gamechanging abilities that needed to be targeted. I really hope you aren't stupid enough to try and compare wc3 to sc2...

Oh wait, you already did.
oh yes its as easy as breathing i forgot, thats why pro gamers play at least 8 hours a day BECAUSE ITS EASY AS BREATHING

when did I say that? I didnt say they couldnt but you seem to conviently ignore the amount of practice and thousands of games it takes to get to even a semi-competetive level

lol playing ophelia is not micro, playing a solid ophelia would not mean you would be even mediocore at SC you are retarded, sure theres a little bit of micro but you arent controlling a base, managing an economy and controlling upwards of 50 units

there are way more units in sc then wc3 with abilities, and sc is much more micro/macro intentsive then wc3. and no i didnt... that was you.

please you clearly know nothing about wc3/sc stop talking

also:
PSR: 1483
Wins: 11
Losses: 12
K/D/A: 119/173/206
CK: 70.1
CD; 4.9
EGP: 39.13%
??? Why so bad????
ITS AS EASY AS BREATHING WHY ARENT YOU AT LEAST 1700 PSR LIKE ME??

[Lamer883]

clearly he has no fking idea how hard it is to play 1v1 in an 8 player map

[Flair]

I feel i should write you an actual reply, but based on yours, you dont really read very well.

So uggi buffi mochla gedorfen.

Thats your argument, expanded, but nowhere near as stupid.

I feel like i should add some sort of picture you can look at.

:confused:

Will that do?
Thought it was possible to understand it, considering how I slimmed it down.

You didn't play "versus", as you claim you've played a quarter of the game in an hour.

If you didn't get the comparison, you didn't play the exciting part of the game, so judging it on a minimal gaming experience is as vague as it gets.

Next time, try playing a game more thoroughly before you come up with a half-assed attempt at reviewing it.

And you clearly didn't get any of this through my first post, so the "you don't read very well"-joke's on you.

[ldelusionl]

ITT: PC - Elitism

ITT: "Video games can't be considered as a sport11!1! Because I have this subjective preconception that I'M A MAN, AND ONLY MANLY MEN WHO FIGHT AND DO PHYSICALLY STRENUOUS ACTIVITIES CAN'T BE CONSIDERED PARTICIPANTS IN SPORT!! RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWR *Bathes in testosterone"


Can we just stop spewing out complete idiocy already

[Narfle]

Thought it was possible to understand it, considering how I slimmed it down.

You didn't play "versus", as you claim you've played a quarter of the game in an hour.

If you didn't get the comparison, you didn't play the exciting part of the game, so judging it on a minimal gaming experience is as vague as it gets.

Next time, try playing a game more thoroughly before you come up with a half-assed attempt at reviewing it.

And you clearly didn't get any of this through my first post, so the "you don't read very well"-joke's on you.

*sigh*

Here we go again.

Im going to keep this real simple.

Left 4 Dead has a campaign. You can play singleplayer and co-op in this campaign, or you can play 4v4.

HoN does not have a campaign, its exclusively multiplayer.

Your analogy would have been (more) precise if you had said something like "i made my own cs server and played with myself for five minutes and i won. Now im bored and dont want to play with myself for another couple of hours."

Because then you would be comparing two games that are both exclusively multiplayer.

Do you understand?

I dont care what YOU think is the "exciting" part of a particular game, because you think its clever to compare games that are exclusively multiplayer with games that are not.

Im very sorry i offended your god, but left 4 dead is crappy and some of Valves worst work ever, get over it.

I'd write more, but im pretty sure i lost you after the sigh.

[Narfle]

ITT: "Video games can't be considered as a sport11!1! Because I have this subjective preconception that I'M A MAN, AND ONLY MANLY MEN WHO FIGHT AND DO PHYSICALLY STRENUOUS ACTIVITIES CAN'T BE CONSIDERED PARTICIPANTS IN SPORT!! RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWR *Bathes in testosterone

If driving a car around a track for X laps is considered a sport, I dont know why games cant be.

But i think i missed the posts that made you say that, or just didnt care about them.

[Randomguy360]

oh yes its as easy as breathing i forgot, thats why pro gamers play at least 8 hours a day BECAUSE ITS EASY AS BREATHING

when did I say that? I didnt say they couldnt but you seem to conviently ignore the amount of practice and thousands of games it takes to get to even a semi-competetive level

lol playing ophelia is not micro, playing a solid ophelia would not mean you would be even mediocore at SC you are retarded, sure theres a little bit of micro but you arent controlling a base, managing an economy and controlling upwards of 50 units

there are way more units in sc then wc3 with abilities, and sc is much more micro/macro intentsive then wc3. and no i didnt... that was you.

please you clearly know nothing about wc3/sc stop talking

also:
PSR: 1483
Wins: 11
Losses: 12
K/D/A: 119/173/206
CK: 70.1
CD; 4.9
EGP: 39.13%
??? Why so bad????
ITS AS EASY AS BREATHING WHY ARENT YOU AT LEAST 1700 PSR LIKE ME??

Well, lets see

Because I don't take this game seriously, especially in beta?

If I know I shouldn't be somewhere, I'll go there anyways unless I really want to win.


Yes, when you master something, it comes naturally, and you practice to make sure you dont lose those abilities, you're that dumb?

Just take strafe jumping in a game like quake live for example, when you start out, it seems extremely hard, you practice for a few hours, and you master it and move on to more advanced techniques and jumps

You don't ever have to think about it to do it after that point, it comes naturally, but if you quit the game for 10 years and then come back, you probably will have forgotten how to do it so well.

Starcraft has infinitely less micro potential than warcraft, you really should go back and play it one day, the one thing i remember using was stim paks and burrow, and that could easily be used by the whole squad at once.


Playing a solid ophelia with skeleton kings, minotaurs, vulture lords and 1 other with a mask is more micro than i ever had to do in starcraft, and It doesn't help that the unit control sucks in this game.


You keep saying "managing the economy" like its a hard thing? what? is making sure your drones are all mining / collecting vespine gas so hard?

i wasn't aware there was a "life of a miner" simulator you had to do every time you wanted your drones to go harvest, my bad.


Last time i checked, you almost always spawned on the direct opposite of the map from your opponent, and scouting doesn't become ANY harder just because there are more bases, you just send 1-2 units around the map till it hits something, and make note of the mineral locations (good thing you can see them on the fog of war in the map!)

get more of your dumb clan buddies to back you up :)





BTW bro, looking at your match history, it looks like your team is almost always carrying you, I'd hate to have to play with you.

[SideKick1]

Well, lets see

Because I don't take this game seriously, especially in beta?

If I know I shouldn't be somewhere, I'll go there anyways unless I really want to win.


Yes, when you master something, it comes naturally, and you practice to make sure you dont lose those abilities, you're that dumb?

Just take strafe jumping in a game like quake live for example, when you start out, it seems extremely hard, you practice for a few hours, and you master it and move on to more advanced techniques and jumps

You don't ever have to think about it to do it after that point, it comes naturally, but if you quit the game for 10 years and then come back, you probably will have forgotten how to do it so well.

Starcraft has infinitely less micro potential than warcraft, you really should go back and play it one day, the one thing i remember using was stim paks and burrow, and that could easily be used by the whole squad at once.


Playing a solid ophelia with skeleton kings, minotaurs, vulture lords and 1 other with a mask is more micro than i ever had to do in starcraft, and It doesn't help that the unit control sucks in this game.


You keep saying "managing the economy" like its a hard thing? what? is making sure your drones are all mining / collecting vespine gas so hard?

i wasn't aware there was a "life of a miner" simulator you had to do every time you wanted your drones to go harvest, my bad.


Last time i checked, you almost always spawned on the direct opposite of the map from your opponent, and scouting doesn't become ANY harder just because there are more bases, you just send 1-2 units around the map till it hits something, and make note of the mineral locations (good thing you can see them on the fog of war in the map!)

get more of your dumb clan buddies to back you up :)





BTW bro, looking at your match history, it looks like your team is almost always carrying you, I'd hate to have to play with you.
....
this is my point
it takes a lot of practice to "master" micro in wc3/sc 1000s of games of solo in wc3 = youre still about mid competetive level
also you can never truly master micro theres ALWAYS room for improvement

also in sc your workers dont auto-acquire minirels everytime you make one you have to go back to your base and order it to mine, usually while fighting, making an expansion and building things

btw im not your bro, i rarely play carry but when i do, i DO carry efficiently and no doubt much better then you can
but hey if you doubt me you can get 4 friends and ill get 4 and we can inhouse, ill play carry and you can too and we'll see who carries better

or if you dont have 4 friends we can 1vs1 om same hero no runes both make an astrolobe bring it to the middle and kill it
then see who wins?

regardless as you said yourself: you havent played wc3 or sc in years, youve already admitted you have no frame of reference just stfu

[SideKick1]

regardless while microing does sound easy on paper its hard in practice and a lot harder to be good at it, you can sit here and say micro is easy all day but you arent actually microing and aperently havent even played the games youre saying micro is easy in, for a fairly long time

if you truly think microing is easy to execute well and anyone could pick it up in a day or two explain why theres very few top gamers in sc/wc3 and the top gamers that there are all have to practice 8+ hours a day to stay in form

[Randomguy360]

....
this is my point
it takes a lot of practice to "master" micro in wc3/sc 1000s of games of solo in wc3 = youre still about mid competetive level
also you can never truly master micro theres ALWAYS room for improvement

also in sc your workers dont auto-acquire minirels everytime you make one you have to go back to your base and order it to mine, usually while fighting, making an expansion and building things

btw im not your bro, i rarely play carry but when i do, i DO carry efficiently and no doubt much better then you can
but hey if you doubt me you can get 4 friends and ill get 4 and we can inhouse, ill play carry and you can too and we'll see who carries better

or if you dont have 4 friends we can 1vs1 om same hero no runes both make an astrolobe bring it to the middle and kill it
then see who wins?

regardless as you said yourself: you have played wc3 or sc in years, youve already admitted you have no frame of reference just stfu



I'm pretty sure you can set their waypoint on a mineral, and they will do it

though, I'm not entirely sure on that one.


And I never said it was easy to pick up, i said that once you master it, as long as you do a few games a day and stay sharp, it comes naturally in a match.


Look, lets just agree to disagree and move on, this is boring.

__________________________________________________ _________________


I also found out gunz came back online a few days ago, I don't like ncsoft much, but gunz was always a game to test your skills on

Id go back, but I couldn't butterfly to save my life anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0w88RsfT1Y

[SideKick1]

I'm pretty sure you can set their waypoint on a mineral, and they will do it

though, I'm not entirely sure on that one.
they wont
they will go and stand beside it then you have to go back and order it to mine

[Flair]

*sigh*

Here we go again.

Im going to keep this real simple.

Left 4 Dead has a campaign. You can play singleplayer and co-op in this campaign, or you can play 4v4.

HoN does not have a campaign, its exclusively multiplayer.

Your analogy would have been (more) precise if you had said something like "i made my own cs server and played with myself for five minutes and i won. Now im bored and dont want to play with myself for another couple of hours."

Because then you would be comparing two games that are both exclusively multiplayer.

Do you understand?

I dont care what YOU think is the "exciting" part of a particular game, because you think its clever to compare games that are exclusively multiplayer with games that are not.

Im very sorry i offended your god, but left 4 dead is crappy and some of Valves worst work ever, get over it.

I'd write more, but im pretty sure i lost you after the sigh.
Considering bots are available for CS, I could make the same comparison there.

Let's use an MMORPG as example then.
Just because the PvE-part of the game is boring and ****, doesn't mean the entire game is.
One thing's for sure, saying you know the game is ****, while having played a fraction of it is idiotic.
Especially with differences as big as the ones between the two game modes.

[OTBatman]

this thread is going to hell

and narfle its prob cause you didnt care to read it

[HunteR_]

You forget the real earners, these guys make nothing compared the the organizations that employ them.

I can't tell you how much I've seen come and go in e-Sports, Dr.Pepper paid over $500,000 to give away free Dr.Pepper in the middle of the floor for 3 days at MLG (Major League Gaming)

That was only ONE sponsor at the event.