Champions Helm of the Black Legion

[A`nub`is]

http://i45.tinypic.com/6nqnex_th.jpg Helm of the Black Legion (2225)
http://i34.tinypic.com/200qn2p.jpg Helm of the Victim (950)
http://i38.tinypic.com/ofvxad.jpg Recipe (625)
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http://i50.tinypic.com/j9y51i.jpg Champions Helm of the Black Legion (3800)


+5 Armor
+300 Hit Points

+10 Hit point regeneration
70% chance to block 50 (25) damage

Active Ability - Pain Suppression:
For 5 seconds your chance to block dmg is 100% (0 Mana, 25s Cooldown)
Combined old stats were:
+5 armor
+300 Hit points
+9 Hit point regeneration
70% chance to block 40 (20) damage

So the benefit from combining the items are:
+1 Hit point regeneration
+ Slightly better dmg block

Conclusion:
I think the armor and higher reg makes CHotBL actually a good item, while HotBL isn't really worth it's item slot any longer (after the 25 minute mark).
Pain Suppression is only a small buff aka doesn't really do much (just saying this, because I believe people may think it's strong).

PS: Photoshop is awesome (I think it's amazing what can be done by someone without any experience in this :cool:):

Helm of the Black Legion ------- Champions Helm of the Black Legion


http://i47.tinypic.com/28ugoxu_th.jpg --------------------> http://i46.tinypic.com/2d80x83_th.jpgedit) PS: The recipe could be made "one per team" only. Not only would that fit the item theme and be kinda cool (1 captain/champion per team), it also would remove any urge to cry about it's imbaness (just an idea).

edit2) Thinking about it I came to the conclusion that the recipe price definitely must be higher... so I raised it from 225 to 625.

[Xozzen]

its a good idea, but not very much better than hotbl late game, still, you got my vote

[WSLaFleur]

its a good idea, but not very much better than hotbl late game, still, you got my vote

Why is it a good idea then?

[Xozzen]

It's a try to make HotBL more viable late game, it's not incredibly strong, but any upgrade does help. The idea is to make it worth an inventory slot, and i think it is, better than selling at least :)

[Osin]

not sure how it would do in game but I still wana c it

[GoodDayToDie]

I would suggest improving it a little bit. In particular, I would suggest that you keep the full bonus from Helm of the Victim (+5 Armor, +3 HP/sec) but raise the recipe cost a bit. As it is, the upgrade is extremely mediocre for the cost, and you actually lose an incredible amount of benefits by buying the recipe.

Suggested alternative:

Same Items, but increase recipe cost to 425 (to account for the fact that it actually gives you an upgrade now).
Increase passive bonus to +10 armor, +12 HP/sec regeneration.
Leave the block upgrade and the active ability as is (they are accounted for by the recipe cost).
Total cost is now 3600, and it is a strict upgrade to HotBL. I would also suggest simply "Champion's Helm" as a better name, though that's just because including the "otBL" part feels excessive.

[permanencer]

this is awsome. old aegis bringed back ^ ^ gg guys. love HoN :))

[derek13]

agree with good day to die. You shouldn't lose anything on upgrade. If you make it like that it would be worth will.

[A`nub`is]

@GoodDayToDie and derek13: You know that HoBL gives only 6 hp reg? You don't lose anything from combining the items, just re-read it carefully ;)
Increasing the armor to 10 lol... no way. Believe me, it's (most likely) balanced the way it is right now.

"Champion's Helm" is probably not a bad idea, thx.

[L__E__O__N]

im not sure that its balanced but i would like to see it in HoN

[BlueFire]

Numbers need SIGNIFICANT changes. HotV by itself gives armor and HP regen greater than what you gain by making the recipe. That extra armor really does help more than the damage block. Make it give +5 armor and +3 HP regen for making the item instead of what you currently have and it becomes a much better late game item.
-BlueFire

[A`nub`is]

You guys are aware that +10 armor in a single item costs 1400gold? You guys know how effective armor is? I guess not ;)

Bump.

[Kalk5]

nice upgrade of hotbl i like it :D

[OhBob]

Icon is nice, but no. HotBL is strong enough the way it is, and having a late game block item would mess up with the carries. Anyway, blademail is better (and doesn't involves lots of stats).

[Edgarz]

good idea

[Mih1]

Creat idea!Also perfect icon!

[MarioMCP]

It's a try to make HotBL more viable late game, it's not incredibly strong, but any upgrade does help. The idea is to make it worth an inventory slot, and i think it is, better than selling at least :)

you can disassemble HotBL. you can't disassemble this item. not worth it imo

[Varp]

I really like this additional suggestion, altho it has "Tower-dive 2010" written all over it :D
But yeah, making HotBL a bit more viable late-game is nessecary, so T-up.

[LightofdaY]

yes because, zeph & legionaire as well as electrican needs more damage soaking items.

[ethereale]

eeh i feel like the 5 seconds of pure invincibility takes alot away from aoe ult nukers that make up alot of the game, making it pretty imba. Either make the cd and cost alot more or shorten the duration of the buff, or make the damage taken limited to a number of blows.

[A`nub`is]

eeh i feel like the 5 seconds of pure invincibility make it pretty imba.

Which thread were you reading? I suppose you wanted to answer to another topic?

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5 sec of 100% chance to block 50 (25) dmg (instead of 70% block chance).

[ZeroPlus]

yeah hotbl is strong enough doesn't need to be better its made the way it is for a reason :D

[Melto]

I'm Agree but, with the Void Talisman Added to the component...

[Pineapple]

i think youre trying to make an upgrade for hotbl for late game.. imo hotbl doesnt need an upgrade.. also.. this upgrade aint much better in lategame than hotbl anyway.

[Decency]

Dumb. Dismantle it and make a Shaman's Headdress and a Behemoth's Heart. Tada: late game viability.

Void Talisman already does something far better than this, anyway.

[Davehz]

T-up for letting HotBL stay good lategame against carries

[TheOSC]

I voted no for a few reasons.

1. HotBL is made how it is for a reason and a significant upgrade would make it super IMBA.

2. HotBL is able to be dissembled for much more viable late game items than this.

3. Would throw off ballance in Carries/Tanks giving Tanks a huge advantage that they honestly don't need.

4. You don't seem to be open to suggested change on an item that may be broken statistically.

[Afterword]

I originally gawked at the 5 seconds of physical immunity, but considering that in late game most damage will be dealt via AoE spells, I don't see an issue with this item. I think it would give hotbl, which currently is a bit sub-par except on lego, into a decent item. I could even see this on a hero like magebane or magmus who has some form of blink into enemy heroes to engage.

[A`nub`is]

I originally gawked at the 5 seconds of physical immunity, but considering that in late game most damage will be dealt via AoE spells, I don't see an issue with this item. I think it would give hotbl, which currently is a bit sub-par except on lego, into a decent item. I could even see this on a hero like magebane or magmus who has some form of blink into enemy heroes to engage.
There is no and never was a 5 second immunity on this item.

It's only 5 seconds with 100% chance to block 50 (25) dmg.

[Pwnograhpy]

No, because every carry would get this, you'd see a chronos tearing your team to pieces faster than ever, glowing like a ghost and seeing 50s flying above his model the whole time.

[Artemiye]

Hell yes, I would make this item. As for the people saying "oh WELL WELL..WELL it doesn't scale late game!" well: hello? There's 5 armour on that thing. Plated Greaves, Champion Helm of the Black Legion, and <insert the other crap you have here> makes for some good late game scaling when it comes to a tank needing to increase their damage mitigation.

And really, the only reason Helm of the Black Legion doesn't "scale" too well late game is because it lacks armour. This suggestion fixes that issue, while keeping it balanced at the same time.

As for the "every carry will make this item" well, rofl, that's 3400 (that's 85 creepkills, or 14 hero kills) gold spent for an item that does not increase killing speed whatsoever. Still think every carry will make this item?

T-up.

[Belzeeboss]

HoN could use a heavy regeneration item different from Behe's

[A`nub`is]

Change: Recipe price increased from 225 to 625.

[Arcadeus]

its funny how everyone says HotbL is useless and 'why would anyone get it, ever in a real game' comments, then the second they see any kind of making it a good, useful item, they go NO ITS TOO OP! IT BLOCKS 10 MORE DAMAGE THAN NORMAL OMFG ITS THE ULTIMATE COUNTER TO CARRIES. Also to those who say Chronos will use this and tear though ure team, this item will IN NO WAY affect how much damage he does, and with the fact that he basically stops the fight for 5 seconds, he would probably be one of the least viable for this item. Very good idea imo, +1, dont see why all these people are complaining

[JimmehCake]

I like it but 1,6k for +1HP Regen and a few extra block is pretty much imo.

[Pepperz]

Maybe instead of going with a HotV for the upgrade, make the upgrade item a Ring of the Teacher and have an armor/mana regen aura while keeping the same Health/block/regen statistics. Allows for the additional armor that the item is lacking to make it scale, and gives Ring of the Teach another item it gets built into besides Gnomes Wisdom and Abysall skull.

[Snowen]

I would love to see an upgrade for helm of the black legion that adds armor. This is perfeect. T-up! S2 please consider this or something close to it!!

[GoldTool]

Exactly what this item needs. Much better late game potential, usually late game i replace it with a heart, etc.
But now hopefully with some stat changes, I wont have too : D!!!

[prettyboysam]

I think when you have an ability that increases block to 100% for a short duration you should make the passive block chance lower and block more damage. Because increase from 70% to 100% isn't much for just 5 seconds.

[gudeh]

It's a try to make HotBL more viable late game, it's not incredibly strong, but any upgrade does help. The idea is to make it worth an inventory slot, and i think it is, better than selling at least :smile:

YEAHHHHH, you are tottaly right, he needs some boost at end game, I tottaly agree with your not op new item :D

[LightofdaY]

5 seconds in Hon is like 20 seconds in dota... make it 3 seconds. that 5 seconds is like having bkb or Jereziah's ult with 1000+ armor rating.

[Omega]

T-up!

Also I love the icon! It looks like someone surprised the heck out of an HotBL