Juking like the 1950s - How to juke [Pictures]

[Viole]

Newly updated with 2.0.13.3 map (Feb 13th, 2011)!


Juking: When being pursued, it's what you do to 'lose' them or 'get them off your tail'. Common strategies to employ a juke would be going through the hidden paths in the trees, running erradically, and turning a corner to hide in the fog, and standing there, then running backwards when they are turning the corner as well.


Here are some basic spots you should learn to be able to efficiently juke, gank, and utilize to the best of your skill. Each picture has a screenshot of the minimap, marked in a white square, of where the spot is. The white paths are where you can run through freely. When I have time, I'll update this post with a detailed description of each spot, how you can use it to your advantage, and more. Perhaps I might actually think of a better way to explain juking rather than copying and pasting from my guide (see sig).... or perhaps not. Who knows? Confused by the terminology, or eager to learn more basic tips for new players? See my sig again (obvious link whoring btw).

In addition to all of these spots, a common tip that almost every new player (and even some experienced ones!) forget is that you should almost always hug the trees when fleeing. There's little notches and trees that stick out, allowing you to keep fogging (Being enshourded in the Fog of War, so you are not in the line of sight [los] of the enemy) the pursuer, so they can't cast a spell on you.

Another tip, well, rule you should follow, is ALWAYS CARRY A HOMECOMING STONE (TP, Teleport, Hearth, Scroll). Unless you are Nymphora (which you should still use one, since it's a shorter cast time than her ultimate), or have Posthaste, carry these stones around all the time. They will save you. Turning a corner and hiding in a crevice between a few trees and landing that portal may be your only way out alive.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4465/jukespot1.jpg

Alright, above this block of text is one of the most dominant 'secret' areas in the southern part of the map. It is a defensive pathing directly under the tower, or a nice place to sit and gank. This path is very easy to move around in and use. The normal curve the northernmost 'route' takes goes from one side of the tower to the other, but be warned that if you are Hellborne, the tower WILL see you and WILL attack you back there (assuming it's not focusing something else, like an Imp or another Hero). Many players are unaware that there's a 'bottom tier' to this area, connected by the two vertical paths. This hugs the very bottom of the map, and extends to the west quite a distance. Very useful to hide in if you expect a gank incoming, but don't expect it to save you in high level play - they'll look there first!

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4116/jukespot2.jpg

In the center lane, this is one of the strongest and well used juking spots. A thin path connects the two long halves of this thick of trees together, with two smaller terminal paths on the north, providing a good place to set up Devourer's hooks, Valkyrie's javelin, and even just simple waiting and ganking. If you're being chased and are near death (or going to die if they catch you), run into this area, through the other side, and then hug the tree line back around and go for the tower for safety.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/536/jukespot3.jpg

These three vertical paths are very well known, so chances are that you already know of them. In case you don't, or perhaps don't use the well enough, here's some tips. You can zig-zag in and out of them, such as going through the path one way, then going up and through a different way, just looping here and there to lose your enemies. Be careful that you don't loop too much and run back INTO them (then it just feels like one of those Scooby Doo chase scenes: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ACUJ-0ARY for more information). Also, you can use these areas to gank behind the bottom Legion tower where heroes may be sitting, unsuspecting of their impending demise.

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1011/jukespot4.jpg

I've never seen anyone except me use this weird hook place, but it's really useful for hiding in when waiting to gank a Hellborne hero between the two bottom lane towers, or for running to and hiding for either faction. Personally, getting a teleport off back there after you lose your opponents who may think you beelined down the lane can save your rear.

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/8031/jukespot5.jpg

This is the path to the Legion's secret shop from the upper river. Everyone should know this path if they've played the game at least once here, so no use in over-describing it. It's just common knowledge. What some people do not know, though, is there are small nooks all over this area, letting you escape and gank players who may be shopping, or running through the shop back to base. Perhaps you are one of those players running, and instead you hide in one of the nooks and hit hold position as the whole enemy team runs past you, and you sneak out the back way.

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9771/jukespot6.jpg

This spot doesn't get too much use, but if you're going to gank the Legion in the middle lane at their tower when they're defending, and the rest of your team isn't there yet, this is a great place to sit and wait. It's out of sight of the ramp and pretty much everywhere else unless they run back there, and if they do, you either kill the person who found you, or enjoy having your bowels scrubbed clean with their many body parts.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8347/jukespot7.jpg

Sorry, I messed up on this picture and it would take me like a good 20 seconds to go and fix it, re-save, and re-upload it here and I just can't be bothered alright? This takes place just next to the front Legion tower in the middle lane (you can see a square shape on the minimap if you look hard enough). Anyways, this is a great place for the middle laner (well, you should almost always let middle solo) to retreat to if being harassed a lot. It's next to the tower, so you'll have full sight of your enemy if they chase you as the tower beats on them, and there's a lot of places you can LoS them from. Just weave in and out, or sit in the middle of it and wait for them to come to you. For others, it's a good place to lose heroes and confuse them if you are having a team fight in the middle, and are about to die. Just run into there and go out one path, then turn around and hug the outside tree line backwards and you're home free.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6816/juke1.jpg

Tree just left of the middle tower (great for 3v1 mid ganks and stuff like that, they have to follow you in there & suffer damage from the tower or back off. Gives allies time to TP in. *Courtesy of ElementUser

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7176/juke2.jpg[/QUOTE]

Unconventional & not widely known juke spot. Used by totallnewbie in the youtube link I posted earlier on in the thread :). *Courtesy of ElementUser

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2122/jukel.jpg

Another juke spot that isn't too widely used. You can eat a tree to go deeper (inception is too old now or there would be a good joke there). Heroes like Magmus or Hag can sit inside and wait for the Legion to push up the lane before initiating. Just don't wait too long! *Courtesy of Schm0ftie.

The red squiggles are spots you can run into on the map, and the blue ones are ones you'd hatchet/treeeat to juke through. Obviously I left out the actual lanes and paths you can clearly figure out yourself :)

http://i.imgur.com/ClpvC.jpg




Keep looking out for new ways to utilize these areas. Ingenuity is always welcome when it comes to a game like this, being entirely predictable is not a good idea. Always try to watch your opponents, allies, and even yourself in how you juke and escape, or pursue, others. Learning how people move around the map can net you kills that you would have not gotten otherwise, as you can nearly predict their next movement and be one step ahead.

More advanced techniques, such as using Enhanced Marchers, are a great addition to your arsenal. Running into a thicket of trees and into the fog, and then using the Enhanced Marchers when you know your pursuer follows, and running back out of the fog is a nice trick. They'll lose a second or two on you because of reaction times, as well as not expecting you to run BACK into them, so they won't have a spell ready right then.

ALWAYS keep in mind of certain heroes that may be able to kill you regardless of juking, though. Such heroes like Pyromancer have AoE (Area of Effect, skills that effect an area [durrrr]) abilities that can hit you through the fog and trees, even if they can't see you. A well placed stun by Pyro can keep you in place long enough to kill you, if it didn't already. Defiler has her Wave of Death, which is a giant wave in a cone-shape that does 300 damage (~230 to heroes) which can hit you through the trees as well. Hellbringer is the worst case of all of these, though, because his ultimate not only is a HUGE area that stuns all units for a second, it destroys all the trees. So yeah, basically he can **** up your Christmas right there.

[Shadowcamsy]

Nice work, can you still juke them behind the tree on the top right (Sentinel) creep spawn? I know there was a tree you could walk behind on dota, not sure if its in HoN.

[Viole]

Nice work, can you still juke them behind the tree on the top right (Sentinel) creep spawn? I know there was a tree you could walk behind on dota, not sure if its in HoN.

Like that lone little tree just floating out there in the middle of the Legion (Sentinel) base? Yeah, it's there, but the fog in this game makes it harder to hide behind.

Or are you talking about the few trees that are outside of the base, just a few paces north-east of the bottom lane creep spawn? I know there's an inlet there you can snuggle into, but there's no real pathway to run around, it's still a good place to tuck into when running, then burst out with phase boots and screw the pursuer up.

[Drasha]

Are you interested in adding this article to the wiki?
http://honwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

[Nome]

Awesome guide! I wanted to make one but balked at the amount of work involved @_@

Looks like you covered pretty much everything anyway.

[Tidus1]

you didn't mention top left corner of the map, some nice juke area there.

very nice guide though.

[Viole]

Are you interested in adding this article to the wiki?
http://honwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

Someone else can, I suck at wiki editing :( :(


you didn't mention top left corner of the map, some nice juke area there.

very nice guide though.

Yeah, I missed a few spots, like one you mentioned, etc. They aren't crucial and don't have much use, I mainly listed the big ones. You are right I forgot to pink string it on the minimap though. I hide there a lot when I'm scared of a gank rofl

[THE_SPOOKY]

Good guide. I didn't know about the outer edges until a few hours of play, it's a whole new world of ganking once you figure out where it paths back.

[Nome]

I just realized, you left out Kongor :O
Kongor's area has LOS blockers and most people don't think to chase into there.

[Viole]

I just realized, you left out Kongor :O
Kongor's area has LOS blockers and most people don't think to chase into there.

I avoid that because last time I went in he thought he was alone and was having some personal time and never. again.

now i know why the river never dries out

[Tafelpoot]

now i know why the river never dries outhahahaha good one.

[Viole]

If the servers were up I would make another private game and update the post with some more spots :(

[Nome]

If the servers were up I would make another private game and update the post with some more spots :(

Don't forget the area in Legion forest, right of the tri-ramp, where you can sneak behind the trees!

[AsteriK]

love this guide TY

[Viole]

Don't forget the area in Legion forest, right of the tri-ramp, where you can sneak behind the trees!

I just put wards of sight there tbh.

[Sai]

The path to the right of Scourge secret shop does NOT fully connect in HoN like it does in DotA. Needs to be changed imo :D

[Viole]

The path to the right of Scourge secret shop does NOT fully connect in HoN like it does in DotA. Needs to be changed imo :D

Yeah, I noticed one game. Kiiind of died because of it :l

[Viole]

Updated with a lot of info, new descriptions and tips, and some other stuff some of you probably get off to

[Nome]

Congrats on premium =3

[Shadowcamsy]

The way you posted that link made me think it was HoN footage and I also translated 737317 to Teteit for some reason, maybe I'm just a nerd >_> I love how the chubby guy at the end falls over and stumbles to the door he was supposed to go to, classic!

Minimap needs some purple squiggles just right of Legion's middle tower. Slightly north west of the cliff in the forest, otherwise it's perfect :P

[Viole]

The way you posted that link made me think it was HoN footage and I also translated 737317 to Teteit for some reason, maybe I'm just a nerd >_> I love how the chubby guy at the end falls over and stumbles to the door he was supposed to go to, classic!

Minimap needs some purple squiggles just right of Legion's middle tower. Slightly north west of the cliff in the forest, otherwise it's perfect :P

Oh man totally, I forgot about that spot. I always use it, though!

Scared me though PMing me about HoN rules and the terms of service and I'm just screaming I HAVE RIGHTS I HAVE MY RIGHTS and yeah

[KyoPewz]

Btw, in HoN there's a tree blocking the path of the forest area near the Hellbourne Secret Shop, which has gotten me killed so many times. I just can't get used to not being able to run through there. I'm talking about the path close to the edge of the cliff northeast of the Secret. Running in there now is just a dead end. :(

You might wanna mention this in the guide until they fix it, unless it's intended I hope it's a bug that will be fixed though.

OH: The same goes for the Hellbourne First Middle Tower, the jukespot to the right of the tower there is also a dead end, just one of the path's though, the one right next to the tower. Normally it should lead in to the rest of the paths.

Moar edit: You might also want to mention that Enhanced Marchers (Phase Boots) can be quite a fun tool to juke with, if you run into a dead end, the opponent expects you to have no way out and then you come running through him from the shadows, can actually buy you some time if you can get into fog after running through him fast enough.

[fungee]

Wow this is deep. Rated this guide 5 stars

[Azore]

there is another one i frequently use to escape ganks on bot lane.

if u play Legion and are in front of the 1st hell tower, dont cross the river but walk just to ure right (still legion side of river) just where the legion tree line ends. u can go pretty far back there and i did avoid a lot of gangs comming from behind with that path.

[ChukNorris]

Good job. This guide can help alot of players. Like help me ^^

[Bocks]

gotta love looping a chaser around a single tree ;]

[ElementUser]

There's a juke spot in the middle Sentinel neutral camp (on the left side of where the creeps spawn, there are 2 trees in which you can juke enemies with). You missed that one :D.

If you're not sure where it is, watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P758_GR46TQ&feature=channel_page

Pay attention to the last part (the Ogre Magi juke) and you'll see where it is :)

Great guide of course :D

[Comma]

Btw, in HoN there's a tree blocking the path of the forest area near the Hellbourne Secret Shop, which has gotten me killed so many times. I just can't get used to not being able to run through there. I'm talking about the path close to the edge of the cliff northeast of the Secret. Running in there now is just a dead end. :(

Died off this too after doing an epic Juke of 3/4 of the map.

@Viole : Maybe put a point or two in about using Runes of Blight to creatively Juke? It was a lot easier in DotA with the imba axe, but I've often used them to cut down a tree and sneak through the neutral spawns in the Legion forest.

[DropX]

Gratz on premium,and cheers for the helpful guide.

[Viole]

Died off this too after doing an epic Juke of 3/4 of the map.

@Viole : Maybe put a point or two in about using Runes of Blight to creatively Juke? It was a lot easier in DotA with the imba axe, but I've often used them to cut down a tree and sneak through the neutral spawns in the Legion forest.

That's a good idea, a section I should add. Thanks.

Sorry for the lack of updates though guys, I've been pretty busy this last weekend with a new person in my life and all that, so I haven't even play much HoN (and when I do, I forget to take pics of the map haha).

[Scythe]

My favorite is using buildings to juke, especially the World Tree.

[RailStorm]

Nice post, there's a few there that i didn't know :)

[Vadi]

The Big HoN Map:

http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22753/shot0027_Y2zXFz.jpg

(no buildings though, sry)

[Viole]

Vadi, thank you so very much :). I tried to do a full zoom out to get a big map picture, but it just kind of all turned black before i would have even be at a good distance to make a panorama map image :\ (max video settings, cam distance 50000). I had painted all the lines into the map and it looked kind of... bare, so I then put pathways of everything and connected, and it is very very hectic and ugly looking, but it does the job. Perhaps if I had photoshop and could make opaque paths it would be better, but meh. Too poor ;)

http://i26.tinypic.com/565nm.jpg

[Grigore]

awesome

[akitoes]

I don't get the title

[Unit1iDirty]

It's out of sight of the ramp and pretty much everywhere else unless they run back there, and if they do, you either kill the person who found you, or enjoy having your bowels scrubbed clean with their many body parts.

****ing Hilarious. I love the imagery.

[ElementUser]

Viole, can you add these 2 juke spots to your "big HoN jukespot map"? Thanks :)

1) Tree just left of the middle tower (great for 3v1 mid ganks and stuff like that, they have to follow you in there & suffer damage from the tower or back off. Gives allies time to TP in.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6816/juke1.jpg

2) Unconventional & not widely known juke spot. Used by totallnewbie in the youtube link I posted earlier on in the thread :).

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7176/juke2.jpg

[Viole]

Viole, can you add these 2 juke spots to your "big HoN jukespot map"? Thanks :)

1) Tree just left of the middle tower (great for 3v1 mid ganks and stuff like that, they have to follow you in there & suffer damage from the tower or back off. Gives allies time to TP in.



2) Unconventional & not widely known juke spot. Used by totallnewbie in the youtube link I posted earlier on in the thread :).



Of course! Added them. I'm still being rather lazy, and that's not a good thing, with my guide. Kind of went on a camping trip, have to spend time with the guy, and then starting a new game of Pokemon Platinum :l

[Namu1]

I remember an Armadon player with Post Haste who was regularly running into our base, nearly killing (and sometimes actually doing so) us, then he would run into the trees next to the pool (on the Hellbourne side) and he would teleport out. It was ingenious, because we would lose sight and stop trying to auto attack, and he would teleport away. It was a one-way thing, but still, it was there, and proved a great way to get out of the base fast. I'm not sure if it has a twin in the Legion's base, though.

[Infester]

You missed my favourite juke spot, Legion mid 3rd tower. On the west side in the trees theres a little inlet you can hide in, and if you plan your tangoing right you can make a place to juke by eating the second tree south from the entrance to the woods and then eating the one tree that blocks its path out. I used this so much in dota, just using it more now in hon.

[ElementUser]

You missed my favourite juke spot, Legion mid 3rd tower. On the west side in the trees theres a little inlet you can hide in, and if you plan your tangoing right you can make a place to juke by eating the second tree south from the entrance to the woods and then eating the one tree that blocks its path out. I used this so much in dota, just using it more now in hon.

I covered that lol, go look at the first page again

[Lycanthroat_]

very helpfull

[Shinta]

Awesome! <3
I guess it's hard for S2Games to place the trees exactly like in HoN...
Which ofcourse explains that not all the same juking spots are in HoN.

[Comma]

Worst thing about knowing about Juking:

You can be too clever for your own good.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Great guide! Tons of information, a friendlier guide author for a change, excellent :)

Can you still juke in the Hellbourne weak camp spot? In Dota, from the right strong camp, you can turn left towards the weak camp, go a bit down towards it, and go right before the creeps into the trees. Works every time. Can somebody check?

[Neru]

Very nice, maybe you could add a hatchet/tango juke list as well as the idea of juking into neutral camps when its night? That nearly always screws people over :D
I have some quite nice hatchet/tango juking spots, especially around the Legion area. If you wanna add them or want me to screen shot places and you add them then just PM me :D

[Carrotcake]

Feel free to retake the pictures in better quality.

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-=- The greatest Juke Spot Ever! -=-
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6373/thistorch.png
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3405/bestjuke.png
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3039/tofreedom.png

http://img32.imageshack.us/i/jukegrave.png
http://img17.imageshack.us/i/thistorch.png/
http://img15.imageshack.us/i/bestjuke.png/
http://img18.imageshack.us/i/tofreedom.png/
http://img32.imageshack.us/i/jukegrave.png/

[Viole]

Worst thing about knowing about Juking:

You can be too clever for your own good.

Hahahaha, like when you turn a corner, dip into trees, reverse, eat a tree and pop through, and blink back another way, and you run into them because they're dummies and you over-juked?

Every. Day.

[hsram]

too bad you're not a girl viole...people remember from WoW that you're a male. nt

[Boves]

I love this guide and I love Viole. That is all that must be said. XD

[PWNnanOBrien]

Viole from the WoW rogue forums...wtf where's Motionless?

:D:D

[Viole]

too bad you're not a girl viole...people remember from WoW that you're a male. nt

They just assumed that because I never talked on vent, obv. Come visit me in Vegas and say nt to me face to face imo :)

I plan to update with all the suggested info and add in new spots added in the latest patches sometimes tonight or tomorrow, depending on when I get a chance to DL the test client and get the most updated version of the map (Or, if someone has free time, go to free camera mode and take a picture of the entire map for me like the last picture in my first post so I can re-do it to be more neat and updated).

[Rokman]

Come visit me in Vegas and say nt to me face to face imo :)

Address? ill brt

:p

[Viole]

Address? ill brt

:p

if you were serious i would meet up with you somewhere not my house rofl, but i doubt you would even come here! :x

[_puzzle_]

They just assumed that because I never talked on vent, obv. Come visit me in Vegas and say nt to me face to face imo :)

I plan to update with all the suggested info and add in new spots added in the latest patches sometimes tonight or tomorrow, depending on when I get a chance to DL the test client and get the most updated version of the map (Or, if someone has free time, go to free camera mode and take a picture of the entire map for me like the last picture in my first post so I can re-do it to be more neat and updated).

who raids and doesnt use a mic? a GIRL that's who

Guy In Real Life

no thanks, manhatten > vegas

[jusatin`]

Nice work there mate, T-Up

And one more place, didn't read all the posts so I don't know if some1 has said this, but you can get very far into the woods next to the sideshop in the hellbourne side, top lane, and you cannot be seen from the shop are, so thats also one good place :)

[Yyouseff]

Now I feel like picking Magebane to make them waste 5 minutes chasing me while having my team push =/

[SimplyLime]

Nice guide. Good for beginners and newbies.

[Viole]

Nice work there mate, T-Up

And one more place, didn't read all the posts so I don't know if some1 has said this, but you can get very far into the woods next to the sideshop in the hellbourne side, top lane, and you cannot be seen from the shop are, so thats also one good place :)

That area was added after I made my guide, and is one reason why I should update it except I'm lazy ._.;

[Barter]

I made this map for my mod (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=21744), just tought I would post here:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3131/caldavarjuking.png

I tried to walk in all of the forests myself and those are the ones I found.

[AnthraX]

Very well done must have taken a long time to make this guide. Thanks!

[Toloran]

Do you play WoW on the Arthas server? And are you going to see that movie Ninja Assassin?

[TigreLunaire]

This guide makes me happy in unimaginable ways. =3

[alliednoob]

helpful guide ^.^
(btw, u spell voil? like that)

[Artosis]

For whatever reason the image of the large minimap with tons of juking paths no longer works. I saved it a little while back so here is a new link you can update with.

http://i50.tinypic.com/s6ivcm.jpg

[Drasha]

Here is another picture of caldavar with juke point just go down and hit the paths check box.
http://www.hondb.com/?caldavar

[sQuibba]

why is it called juking?

[Jake]

I can throw one advanced tactic here: If you are going in a secret pathway and you know that there is someone catching you just in seconds, just press H, it will block the path and hon's engine will calculate a new path for the enemy. And in most cases it's the opposite way. Don't try this if your opponent just used phase or has other unitwalking ability.

[Kaesetorte]

1.64 : Added a new juking spot in the Hellbourne jungle.

So where is it ?

[dragon136]

great job, i didnt knew some of these :D

[Tasslehoof]

Now everyone knows :(

[Caligula]

why is it called juking?

From Merriam-Webster

Main Entry: juke
Pronunciation: \ˈj?k\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): juked; juk?ing
Etymology: probably alteration of English dial. jouk to cheat, deceive
Date: 1967
transitive verb : to fake out of position (as in football)
intransitive verb : to juke someone

[OhBob]

There are some "trees you can eat" missing on bot lane between first tower and outpost.

But really, really good topic, :D

[Falcooo]

love it, juking is so skill full and fun

[t`t`wisper]

Should probably mention in the guide that you don't just use the "juke" spots to run through and onto the other side. Being unpredictable can save your life even if that means turning a corner and running towards there tower instead of yours, in those moments where the enemy has to assume where you went just turn a corner eat two trees quickly and you have yourself a new hiding spot, if you do this fast enough by the time they turn the corner they think you've gone towards your base and will chase in that direction.

[SoundPuzzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-GuO6ZUAY
oh baby

[BrownieMcHob]

That wasn't epic.. you blinked into the woods..

[Vim]

By me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zOW8-qvo2g

Edit: match id 27899129

[BlacRyu]

I discovered a way to easily find juke spots in-game, just go to the console (ctrl+f8) and type "cg_drawNavGrid true". Congrats, you just enabled your own personal forest path-finder:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8061/shot1220.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8061/shot1220.jpg) http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2166/shot1223.th.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2166/shot1223.jpg)
note: the grid is about the size of the screen, but it is centered on wherever your mouse is.

For quicker enabling/disabling bind it to a key, ie:
bind CTRL+PERIOD "cg_drawNavGrid true"
bind CTRL+COMMA "cg_drawNavGrid false"

Haven't tested it online yet though, so I'm not sure if it will work outside of practice.

[Vim]

great job, thanks

[radicalomg]

Nice, knew most of em already.

Just to add, I believe its possible to juke at the Legion Creep camp nearest to the bottom rune aswell. The trees on the left hand side can be used to run in and from underneath, and directly into the creeps. Handy if you really wanna screw with em ;)

[ShizzleBuzz]

Fail - Magebane with posthaste AND homecoming stone
Other than that,revealed some nice hiding spots,thanks.But since pathing in hon is beyond terrible,you can juke by not moving,enemy will go back randomly lol.

[DemoniWaari]

You missed one awesome tree eating spot!

Bottom line, at the shop. You marked two juke spots there, one at the shop, and another one just above the other one (just check your picture where you marked them all); you can eat a tree between them and thus juke to the shop, and then eat a tree, and proceed going towards the HB's tower!

I hope that was good enough explanation.

[Hygao]

IMBA!!!!!!!!! :) nice

[KADOONK]

this guide is useful but in the 1950's juking is very common and these spots are well known by players. but perfect guide for the ones who dont know.
congrats on premium =D

[BearCavalry]

Is there a HoN equivalent to this map somewhere?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/Blaow/dota/DotaMapRoutesSecretsmall3.jpg

[Embodying]

Is there a HoN equivalent to this map somewhere?
[image]


http://i26.tinypic.com/565nm.jpg

Taken from page 2 of this thread

[PaPiChUlO]

Very good guide , ty for the time and effort!

[LuckyStar]

Is there any way you can include the juke spots that can be used when you eat a tree? I know there's a lot of them, but it would be hugely appreciated.

[SilverStars]

I love that Legion bot lane next to tower juke. I just run circles around the center patch of trees while some guy just goes "omg i know that jukespot i can catch him" and runs around until the tower takes him out.

[DMZDesolace]

I think you should include a portion about Juking using ramps. if you run up a ramp with someone chasing you close their likely to click on top of the ramp as they lose vision of you. This gives you a chance to run back down the ramp gaining some extra space. I use it very often and its extremely effective.

[Thordoor]

really nice work :) was good to get a reminder of all the cool jukespots.

[TaazDingo]

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6493/honjuke.jpg

This is a very underestimated hookspot and tpspot if you are at the bot lane. Chop down the tree i marked and you get a rather large spot to hide in.

[Kaelillidan]

Did you know that if you`re being attacked by a ranged hero, the missles they attack you with give them enough visibility to attack you continuously, even if they don`t actually have line of sight. How do you juke that?

[Shinzuwa]

Really great job there m8. You should really update this with more content. It's great.

[InsideSin]

Wowza, I only knew like 60% of these, I can't believe there's so many solo entry spots!

[pwn_U_fast]

nice juking guide.

[AYCARAMBA]

You could add advanced ones like single tree jukes. IE the one tree in front of Kongor or the one below the second tier HB tower. Also the little spot in front of the HB ancients (best tp jukespot imo) and below ancients.

[Koiuy]

You missed one awesome tree eating spot!

Bottom line, at the shop. You marked two juke spots there, one at the shop, and another one just above the other one (just check your picture where you marked them all); you can eat a tree between them and thus juke to the shop, and then eat a tree, and proceed going towards the HB's tower!

I hope that was good enough explanation.

This one needs to be added, I've used it so many times - saving me also.

[Myrmiston]

Nice juking guide... I also like how 1950s could refer to players with high PSR or the time period, lololol

[InsideSin]

http://i26.tinypic.com/565nm.jpg

Taken from page 2 of this thread

That image is both outdated and a lot of jukes are missing or half-assed drawn.

[Rkey]

Great guide, thanks a lot man! I will look into this further and try to find some new stuff.

Oh and btw, hi forums =) I'm Rkey and I like playing Glacius. Further thanks to Alex R. who made my forum account work, finally =D

[Karstein]

Awesome guide.

Though you miss 1 jukespot at this pic:
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4465/jukespot1.jpg

On the right path leading south of the tower. Going further south from there before hitting the edge of the map you can sneak in to the right.
Just 1 tree-space of hiding. Extremely useful

[Church_]

Great guide I'm not much of a juker, so this really helps :)

[Viole]

oh i'm back.

i need to work on getting a new map updated with the changes in the past year.

[TryckFel]

Much love for doing guides, and this one is well done. So grazie but really I WANT TO PUNCH PREMIUM GUIDES IN DA FACE. all guides are old and people still read them. "thanks now I can play magmus after reading this ty ty ty" ah damn son volcanic touch is so king. Like a boss get that and show off.

*sigh* I should've saved this rant to the balance patch, all these patches changing everything ain't helpin *sigh*

ps nice guide though I rant those pictures and the storytelling is top boss kingky goodie goodness ds

[Viole]

what did you even just say, tryckfel

[Drasha]

Welcome back Viole looking forward to the updated version. I think there is a tree/juke guide some where. I can dig it up if you wanted to incorporate it.

[Viole]

Sure :) i just finished making a real quick new-one. i'll probably make a better-quality updated one with close-ups of some tricky spots (like t1 hellborne tower)

[Schm0ftie]

This juke spot is missing on the front page. It is mentioned on a full FoC map but it is not completly shown.

Would be an honor if you add it to your guide.

Top Lane, below the outpost. Perfectly to juke or to gank players on that lane.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2122/jukel.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/i/jukel.jpg/

[Viole]

Thanks. Added to the guide and given credit. I have used that a few times before too haha, no one in vent said any suggestions when I asked if I missed any :[.

[YawningAngel]

Holy Hell, Viole is alive?

[Viole]

Holy Hell, Viole is alive?

ye baby ye

[blueseph]

night elves is back

[turtleneck]

Did something like this for my own interest back in DotA-days, good job OP.

[Tricon]

Is there any way you can upload a High-Res picture of the big overall map with the red/blue lines?
Would be awesome. <3

[Schm0ftie]

On Grimms Crossing use the teleporter to juke.
Did it yesterday, do it like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwxK9J1oLg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwxK9J1oLg)

[_Lunacy_]

on forests of caldaver there is quite a neat juking spot on hellbourne supercreeps spot, its only really useful at night when they dont auto attack you but w/e ill tell you anyway if u didnt already know, i see that you have an ickle piggle line to the left of them but if u go as far right on those supercreeps as possible you get to a little line of gap which then veers up like a 90 degree rightangle and it can be made easily bigger (its opposite to the 3rd hellbourne bottom lane tower)
thanks if you add and bye from me :P
Dark

[Thorns]

You should add a quick guide of block-juking in tight "two or three-way" spots. What im speaking of iswhen you are chased, entering such a spot anhold position 1-2 inches in, resulting in people chasi you is clicking furtherthan you are standing will turn away when their vision shows you as an obstacle to your rightclicks, trying to find another path. This is a great way to make people fail their chases.

EDIT: typos cuz of adjusting to touchscreen.