Build order of 4 heroes from a noob perspective (Armadon, Soul Reaper, Magebane, Pestilence)

[fmillar]

For a while I exclusively played 2-keys Heroes (the ones with 2 passive abilities) because they have the advantage that you dont get that fast overwhelmed in complicated situations in the game: All you had to do was just running around, keep an eye on the minimap and hit 2 keys on your keyboard - preferably at the right time.

In the last few games, though, I added a new hero for me, which actually uses 3 keys: Pestilence. Unbelievable how complicated things suddenly got!

But I helped myself by remapping the tab key to the ORDER HOLD command (navigate your hero better), remapping the ORDER ATTACK command to the space bar (needed for denying towers and creeps) and foremost, remapping the ULT (4th ability) to the key right above the tab key.

Suddenly it worked!

So here are my buildorders of my favorite four heroes, from a noob perspective. There may be some errors but they really helped me to get things going.


Armadon

Start:


1 x mana potion
1 x runes of blight
3 x crushing claws (will be built into fort. bracers later)




Lifetube
Iron Buckler
Marchers
finish 3 Fort. Bracers
finish Helm of the Black Legion (Beastheart)
finish Enh. Marchers
Great Arcana
Mock of Brillance
[Behemoth's Heart]


Soul Reaper

Start:


1 x Fort. Bracers
1 x runes of blight




Lifetube
Marchers
Glowstone
finish Sustainer (Manatube)
finish Sac. Stone (Beast Heart, Pickled Brain)
finish Steam Boots
Staff of the Master


Magebane

Start:


1 x Fort. Bracers
1 x runes of blight




Lifetube
finish Helm of the Black Legion (Iron Buckler, Beast Heart)
Marchers
finish Steam Boots
Geometer
Wingbow



Pestilence

Start:


1 x Health Potion
1 x Mana Potion
2 x runes of blight
loggers hatchet




Helm of the victim
finish Insanitarius (Gloves of the swift, Steamstaff)
Marchers
finish Steam Boots
1 x Fort. Bracers
Behemoth's Heart or Shieldbreaker

[Extreme_Cake]

Feel free to build things wrong, if you must, but please don't tell everyone else to as well. Your Armadon build is terrible, your Soul Reaper and Magebane builds highly questionable, and your pestilence build, while defensible, isn't optimal.

[IMaTRUCK1]

I rarely EVER buy +3 +6 +3 items,only on heroes like Sucubus who need extra mana to chain all of their spells.3 fortified bracers?You've gotta be kidding.510x3 = 1530.You'd be halfway to Axe of the Maplhai or you'd already have a beastheart.Seriously.

[Spoutnik16]

You probably wont get 1650 PSR with it

This is what far more than what a noob build should do. It's not real, you can go to over 1500. But still. This is really good for beginners.

[fmillar]

I rarely EVER buy +3 +6 +3 items,only on heroes like Sucubus who need extra mana to chain all of their spells.3 fortified bracers?You've gotta be kidding.510x3 = 1530.You'd be halfway to Axe of the Maplhai or you'd already have a beastheart.Seriously.

I will take that 3 Fort. Bracers critique into consideration. I actually got this one from a post here and was amused, too. But then i tried it and for the first time i played better as Armadon! Will try your idea, though, thanks much.

[fmillar]

Few details imho
you should have basic boots on pesti before insanitarius.

k. That sounds really good. It should help you to actually use insanitarius' extra pep better to chase and finish heroes. Of course you should get Helm of the Victim first, preferably from the outpost in your lane. The thing is, if your lane runs well, you get insanitarious almost completely right from the outpost and only have to return for the recipe to the well. But if I happen to go back anyway, I will try to use these Marchers a little earlier to make pest even faster!



You should never get hotbl on magebane... keep a solo lifetub. get runed axe, but not hotbl.

Well taken. Will test that. Also a general warning to a newbie reader: Magebane is by far the most complicated hero of these 4! ;) Even you only have to use 2 keys, he's IMO fragile in early levels and you have to be very alert to play him correctly and jump in and out of team fights.


soulreaper is good, except the sotm. No base player can do good thing with sotm. This item is hard to use, when you are a beginner, the stun is useless or the dmg is useless. Don't make this spell harder to use.

Actually, if I play Soul Reaper, I hardly get into games where I actually complete Staff of the Master (sotm). Games happen to be over most of the times ;). Of course I use the items which are included in this recipe for the extra strength and int, and then almost everytime the game is finished before I get the complete "sotm".


Some other players gonna say, don't play armadon at low lvl, or don't play armadon at all. But imho, he is really decent in pubs, and this build is good and can learn you a lot of thing. Do it. Or mb a few hp before mock, like the 1100 gold +hp item of behe heart before mock?

My observation of playing Armadon for about 80 games or so is that he is very hard to level up, but when he is lv 13 or 14 he really is a good hero. He is an exceptional late game hero IMO. But that may have to do with my farming skills in the lane...;)


Those are just few details.
It's a good idea to give item builds for beginner for those heroes, they are ganker/initiator/carry/support/babysitter. If you play this four hero, you know what the roles are, and this is very good. Except some small details, this guide have to exist.

PS: @Extreme_Cake (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=354953), those guide are not totally wrong, they do well in noobs or beginners' game. It's possible to do bether, but this requires more skill to play.

That's what I thought when posting these guides. Thank you.

[fmillar]

Soul Reaper should have Nomes Wisdom no matter what, that item is made for healers.

Thanks. Will try that out. BTW, I don't know why my posts seem to do appear in wrong chronological order, sorry for that.

[Spoutnik16]

Few details imho
you should have basic boots on pesti before insanitarius.
You should never get hotbl on magebane... keep a solo lifetub. get runed axe, but not hotbl.
soulreaper is good, except the sotm. No base player can do good thing with sotm. This item is hard to use, when you are a beginner, the stun is useless or the dmg is useless. Don't make this spell harder to use.
Some other players gonna say, don't play armadon at low lvl, or don't play armadon at all. But imho, he is really decent in pubs, and this build is good and can learn you a lot of thing. Do it. Or mb a few hp before mock, like the 1100 gold +hp item of behe heart before mock?

Those are just few details.
It's a good idea to give item builds for beginner for those heroes, they are ganker/initiator/carry/support/babysitter. If you play this four hero, you know what the roles are, and this is very good. Except some small details, this guide have to exist.

PS: @Extreme_Cake (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=354953), those guide are not totally wrong, they do well in noobs or beginners' game. It's possible to do bether, but this requires more skill to play.

[fmillar]

Feel free to build things wrong, if you must, but please don't tell everyone else to as well. Your Armadon build is terrible, your Soul Reaper and Magebane builds highly questionable, and your pestilence build, while defensible, isn't optimal.

Thank you very much for your reply. Keep in mind I said "noob perspective". These are mainly intended for people who see "build orders" for the first time in this game. Something like that! A thing where you can learn from and improve.

These builds were not invented by me from scratch on the paper but actually played up to 200 games in total.

They may be wrong. But just for a newbie it may be a start. Nothings else. I just felt "sure" enough because I tested these myself and for a noob I had quite good results. (like 1.0 Kill/Death Ratio, also 4 kills a game, average).

You probably wont get 1650 PSR with it, but you can fulfill some useful parts for your team and also should be able to keep almost a balanced win/loss statistic.

Thanks again.

[RogerDodger]

Most of your starting items consist of only 1 set of regen... unless you have total lane dominance (Unlikely with melees) you're going to head back to the fountain atleast once.

Soul Reaper should have Nomes Wisdom no matter what, that item is made for healers.

[Lyxdesia]

You got it right with soul reaper and armadon is a terrible hero so I won't bother with him

Magebane;

start: hatchet, 6 runes of blight and the +2 stats circlet thingy

Rush elder parasite and steamboots, ask mid to stack your ancient creeps. Proceed to farm for wingbow.

Magebane scales better with attack speed than with damage. Wingbow is the best attack speed item next to elder parasite.

Pestilence:

starting items: hatchet, 6 runes of blight, +2 stats circlet.

Rush steamboots and 2 fortified bracers and then get shrunken head ASAP. Gank with pest as much as you can as he is a monster early-mid game. Don't be afraid to towerdive.

[Zethos]

Shamans headdress for Armadon. Great Arcana removed as even most noobs won't build this on him, his mana should be sufficient as he gets farther down the line. Maybe a bottle if you are really spamming. Also no mention of power supply which noobs do use as well.

[ImWithStupi1]

You know, for each and every one of these heroes you have good guides under premium guides section. What on earth posessed you to go around telling people what to make, considering you yourself said you're newbie.

Lets put aside the fact that most of these builds are really really bad.

[Pyrate]

bad builds, not to mention they are clearly EM builds. Some people posting are making some bad suggestions as well though. Elder on Magebane, really, really good idea to give a fragile hero an item that lets the enemy kill you faster

[Angriff36]

you should have basic boots on pesti before insanitarius.


Not really. Unless you're one of those people who lvl gore instead of maxxing flight/impale first.

[fmillar]

You know, for each and every one of these heroes you have good guides under premium guides section. What on earth posessed you to go around telling people what to make, considering you yourself said you're newbie.

Lets put aside the fact that most of these builds are really really bad.

To give something back to the community after trying those partly excellent guides from those sections myself.

You know, this is called a discussion forum, not a "I do everything right and make never mistakes" forum.



bad builds, not to mention they are clearly EM builds.

In my 150-200 games, I have never played a single EM game.


Again, with these build orders, from a "noob point of view" I was able to have some success [1.0 Kill/Death ratio, 4 Kills a game, up to 400 Exp per game and almost balanced W/L stats in only pub games].

People should relax more, these are just suggestions.

Also, as I said in my first post, I would like to emphasize that "2-key heroes" (with 2 passive abilities) are easier to play than others (besides Magebane, maybe). As Armadon, if you go the safe build with those 3 Fortified Bracers you don't have to "fear" that you loose a lot of gold if you should get killed on your way of leveling up because it is quite easy to buy those Bracers part by part. Just be alarmed, for me with this build, Armadon is like a 3-3-30 hero in long games. Not much kills but tons of assists!

Thanks for all the input (besides arieLOL, lol). Maybe I can even update my original post a bit to reflect the new data, although I would like to test every change rather carefully myself (the ultimative noob test!) before I will do that.

Thanks again

[HahaYouDied]

Magebane :

1)Runed axe.
2)???
3)Profit!

[fmillar]

Magebane :

1)Runed axe.
2)???
3)Profit!

Magebane is a hell of a farmer right from the start. Totally different to Armadon. But he gets stunned easily and killed instantly if you are not VERY quick (which in itself, again, is totally different to Armadom with 3 crushing claws right from the start which help him farm and survive, from a "noob perspective" IMO.

Armadon, I think suffers most in pub games, because he is not respected as a hero who needs a lot of farming/items before he is great. Sometimes ganks start to early for him, or often lane partners are unhelpful if they don't let him farm or support him. He's great of course with a support hero in his lane, IMO.