HoNwiki Discussion

[Drasha]

We need people to port guides over to the HoN wiki as well as make their own guides for heros who don't have them yet.

List of guides we have
http://honwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Guides&action=edit&redlink=1

Template for your guide
http://honwiki.net/wiki/Template:Hero_Guide

Please name the page like this HeroName:Title for example Behemoth:Big Bang Theory (http://honwiki.net/wiki/Behemoth:Big_Bang_Theory) is how we want it done. We are fine with having more then one guide for a hero since there is more then one way to play a hero. In your guide try to focus on a single way to play that hero and make another guide if you have a different way to play the hero as well.

Feel free to add things that are not in the template just make sure you use the template so they all look some what the same.

[Drasha]

Thats right we need you!

[Feriluce]

You probably want to do some fancy guides section.

[Drasha]

What do you mean? They all go into the same category we just don't have any yet.

[Feriluce]

I meant fancy presentation mostly. Think something similar to this:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

[Drasha]

I have fallowed so many links to that page when people suggest things. :rolleyes:

[OpT1mUs]

I've done the pyro guide.

[Drasha]

I've done the pyro guide.

XD that was not meant to be a guide it was just a mock up when we were working on the template. Thanks any ways i want to see some new stuff up their next time i check it.

[Feriluce]

I have fallowed so many links to that page when people suggest things. :rolleyes:

thats probably because they've done it well dont you think? :p

[Drasha]

Could be now some one go make a bloody guide.

[Tass1]

Using php. Stay out of my way.

[DubyooC]

Personally i like the simple looking honwiki myself, that other site is way to clutered at first look and hard to follow. Honwiki is simple and easy on the eyes. Just my 2 cents, nice looking site hopefully it flies :)

[Drasha]

I like the simple look to liked it better in white but they are getting the new look to work pretty well. Some one go make a guide you know you want to.

[Tryptophan]

Haha. I would add my guide if I knew how to >.>

[NiGHTsC]

Wow, nice job guys, I love your deepest infos about every single spell.

Thank you so much!!


Haha. I would add my guide if I knew how to >.>Just creat an account, look at other's guide code by clicking "Edit" and try to learn :D
Template Guide should give you some idea ;)

[Drasha]

Haha. I would add my guide if I knew how to >.>

What do you want the title to be i can set it up for you if you like. i also need the heros name.

[Tryptophan]

Defiler: Tryptophan's Guide to Defiler.

Thanks.

[Drasha]

here you go fill it in
http://honwiki.net/wiki/Defiler:Tryptophan%27s_Guide

you can ask for my help here or on my talk page
http://honwiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Drasha

If you don't know how to do some thing just leave it blank and keep going :)

[Drasha]

http://honwiki.net/wiki/Category:Guides

Say what we have more guides and we want you to put yours in?

[Tryptophan]

Mine's finished. Forgot to say that yesterday ^^

[Drasha]

In an effort to get more people to make guides for HoNwiki i am going to write another guide for a hero. the next person to post gets to pick that hero.

[Feriluce]

Well, very few ppl seem to pick hellbringer, and there is no guides about him on here, so I think a guide on that guy would be great.

Otherwise a blacksmith guide is also needed as far as I can see.

[Drasha]

will write one for hellbringer but i need a witty name first :)

[Drasha]

So it was written so it was done.
http://honwiki.net/wiki/Hellbringer:By_the_Book

Yes its not great but its there i dare you to write another one thats better about any hero. I also need another hero to write a crappy guide for.

[uberdabing]

You can use my Zephyr guide if you'd like.

If I have time I might take the time to format it for your wiki.

[Drasha]

I am trying to get other people to do the work :) i am slowly adding to the collection but there is only so much i can do.

[Lethe]

Why do you insist on the format? My guides have received very positive response from the community but I'm not going to change the format just to throw them in your wiki. It's up to you.

And gj posting a shitty guide. I doubt anyone is willing to send guides to your wiki now. You are truly experienced in community building.

[uberdabing]

I'd have to agree. My only turnoff to putting anything on there is the formatting required to adhere to your template. If I could just do a straight copy paste from these forums, it would already be there.

[Drasha]

Thank you vary much. We are still working on the format if you would like to propose a format that would work for all heros and look about the same for each of them i would love to see it. The idea is to have some thing there even if its not the best thing ever the more you put in place the more other people will add to it. Feel free to write a better guide for hellbringer i welcome it.

[Drasha]

I'd have to agree. My only turnoff to putting anything on there is the formatting required to adhere to your template. If I could just do a straight copy paste from these forums, it would already be there.

While our format is far from perfect the problem with just copy pasting guides is that they will not look consistent. Every ones guide looks different and for the wiki they need to have the same general format. If you have a good format that will fit all heros i would love to replace the one we have now.

[Varthros]

Sticky this thread.
this

[Drasha]

We don't need glue when we can bump by the way i need another hero to write a guide on give me name or i will write a situational guide that rarely works in a real game. (Nymphora guide to being a faerie machine gun)

[Workdawg]

Bump!

It was brought to my attention after creating the other thread (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=12034) that we already had this thread with similar content.

I didn't know there was so much negative stuff about the old template in here. :(

The hero guide template has been reworked a bit to be more user friendly.

I see also that people don't want to put in the effort of moving their guides over. Well, I've taken up the task of updating/moving guides over from here to www.howiki.net (http://www.howiki.net), so now all we're asking for is permission to post your guides if you've written any. The content will be left intact and credit given; of course.

The only catch is that we'd like to stick to the template as much as possible. We feel that the basic template includes information that should be in any good guide (hero overview/analysis, skill build/analysis, item build/analysis, general gameplay tips and specific early/mid/late gameplay strategy.) It's always possible to include more information at the end of the template for any other info the author would like included. (For example, hero synergy, other tips, FAQ, etc.) We are open to changing the template if people can give us some contructive feedback to go by.

For an example, see ElementUser's Legionnaire guide that he allowed us to use.
On the forums (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=11992)
And on HoNwiki (http://www.honwiki.net/wiki/Legionnaire:_OMG_WHERE%27S_MY_BEARD)

You can see that the format is changed but the relevant content remains.

Thanks!

[Workdawg]

Bump again...

I've made some major revisions to the template for the hero guides... it is a LOT more flexible now.
Info can be added in between all the sections. It supports up to 3 builds (in a pretty table). We can more easily add new sections (thinking about a hero synergy section when I get the chance, since that seems popular) by just adding a new template.

I've only had a few people give permission to add their guides to the wiki, and I'm working on adding them, but I wanted to get the format working better before that. We're still looking for more (Especially those of you have write many guides, and the premium ones). If there's a reason that's discouraging you from allowing us to expand the wiki with your content, please feel free to contact me. It's a work-in-progress and I'd be happy to work with you to make it meet your needs as well.

We are always welcoming constructive feedback as well. If you don't like the format, please, let me know why and we may be able to change it up a bit.

Here is a link (http://www.honwiki.net/wiki/Category:Guides) to the current list of guides that we have. They are all currently using the new format. The Legionnaire guide is probably the most in depth and shows off the format the best. It doesn't show off the multiple build option though. To check that out, look at the Behemoth guide.

[Drasha]

The text is still not to the right of the heroes image/ wraps around it. get to work code monkey :) Love what your doing with the template when my life settles down a little more i will write a guide with it.

[GaboonViper]

I've started a new player guide here:
http://honwiki.net/wiki/New_Player_Guide
I'm still working on completing sections and polishing it off. In the process I thought it'd be cool to have a practical overview of all the heroes with comments on which ones are good for new players.

I've started this here:
http://honwiki.net/wiki/Hero_Overview

Do you think this is a good idea/format?

[Workdawg]

Done...

[turdle]

bump honwiki is superior to ctrl+fing through this forum for guides

[Nome]

I've moved this topic out of the archive. Please keep all HoNwiki discussion limited here.

[Drasha]

I've moved this topic out of the archive. Please keep all HoNwiki discussion limited here.
put some glue on it then or it will sink and people will just make a new one. Then again people don't read so even with glue they will most likely make a new one.

[Etdashou]

The menu in your wiki is bugged. It is below the text. Or is it google chrome doing this?

edit: ok... IE is ok. Chrome is not.

[Workdawg]

Drasha, I made a new thread because one of the mods moved this one to the archive and I wasn't able to post in it. I guess Nome brought this thread back now though... so Bump...

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Etdashou, I don't see any issue with the layout... I use Chrome at home (at work Currently, on IE) and I didn't have issues there either.

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We're still looking for more good guides to post. I've made some more revisions to the guide template making it a lot more flexible than it was before. It should support pretty much anything you can throw at it.

Also, I'm still willing to move your already written guide over to the wiki if you give permission. All you need to do is give me the go-ahead. You can see our other guides here: http://honwiki.net/wiki/Category:Hero_Guides

The behemoth guide is the most up to date right now (though it lacks a Hero Synergy section, which is supported), while the Legionnaire guide is the most in-depth and shows off the customization the best probably.

If you've got issues with the format or something else, let me know. I'm willing to work on it if there are issues with it, but I'm pretty happy with the way it is right now. There were some people in the previous thread who had issues with the format but refused to give any comments so I've had to make the changes that seem most logical based on the format of popular guides.

Please help us build this community.

[Etdashou]

Here is what I mean (please note that I have last version of Chrome.. but the BETA one, that maybe the problem, 4.0.203.2):

http://www.maxgweb.com/download/honwiki_menu.png

[Workdawg]

I'm using chrome 2.0.172.43 and it looks fine. It also looks fine on IE and Firefox... so I dunno what to tell ya. Must be that version of Chrome.

[Etdashou]

NP, simply to advise u that Chrome 4 Beta is having a small issue in display. Being an old admin of some Wikis, I know they release frequent big patches that fix this kind of issue.

[Ice_Phoenix]

I think the HoNWiki Modding page (http://honwiki.net/wiki/Category:Modding) deserves a spot on the the honwiki.net main page. I've found myself several times now doing a forum search for picklefish's UI Basics thread because that's not stickied, all to find the link to the modding page. A lot of extra effort for what should be easily available in my opinion.

[Wylker]

Actually the entire main page is due for a major overhaul. It has been on my back burner for a while as I have been demolished at work for two straight months. I will definitely finish it this month, and it should have some forum tie ins, as well as much better links to the important parts of the wiki and outside resources.

[LeWe]

Down wiki is down?

[Drasha]

Down wiki is down?
works fine for me

[Wylker]

Someone told me there is some confusion about this thread... Is it the template? Is a more detailed walkthrough on how to contribute a hero guide to the wiki necessary?

[MoOgLeD]

Is there a way to contribute guides to wiki? I'm afraid there are biased opinions on it.

[Drasha]

Is there a way to contribute guides to wiki? I'm afraid there are biased opinions on it.
You can make a new guide or change an existing one thats how wikis work.

[Wamba]

HonWiki not editable. Example: http://honwiki.net/wiki/XAML_reference#Strings

I tried to edit the section Commands->Strings
Line:

string # string Concatenates the two string before and after it. Error:


Internal error

Detected bug in an extension! Hook ConfirmEditHooks::confirmEditMerged failed to return a value; should return true to continue hook processing or false to abort.
Backtrace:
#0 /var/www/honwiki.net/htdocs/w/includes/EditPage.php(956): wfRunHooks('EditFilterMerge...', Array)
#1 /var/www/honwiki.net/htdocs/w/includes/EditPage.php(2483): EditPage->internalAttemptSave(false, false)
#2 /var/www/honwiki.net/htdocs/w/includes/EditPage.php(449): EditPage->attemptSave()
#3 /var/www/honwiki.net/htdocs/w/includes/EditPage.php(340): EditPage->edit()
#4 /var/www/honwiki.net/htdocs/w/includes/Wiki.php(510): EditPage->submit()
#5 /var/www/honwiki.net/htdocs/w/includes/Wiki.php(63): MediaWiki->performAction(Object(OutputPage), Object(Article), Object(Title), Object(User), Object(WebRequest))
#6 /var/www/honwiki.net/htdocs/w/index.php(116): MediaWiki->initialize(Object(Title), Object(Article), Object(OutputPage), Object(User), Object(WebRequest))
#7 {main}
Fix please. Then I'll update it. So everone hase more informations about XAML.

[PhounGiron]

This need a bump. I don't see why we should help the offical HonWiki if we can't even contribute our work.
I wanted to help this wiki but the already said problem won't let me change anything :/