View Full Version : Glacius aura is overpowered
EnragedCamel
07-31-2009, 04:14 PM
Seriously, the fact that it affects the entire map is just ridiculous. It should be a large range but should not cover more than one lane.
Frump
07-31-2009, 04:27 PM
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I don't think I can be convinced any facet about Glacius is currently overpowered. His aura helps fill out his support role, which is the role he is going to continue playing with his current "old" nuke, low speed, and overall fragility. The lowering of his cast time was a welcome change, and if anything else, he still remains a little below average. I say give him Crystal Maiden's "new" nuke and he'd be golden.
cr0ss
07-31-2009, 04:30 PM
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I don't think I can be convinced any facet about Glacius is currently overpowered.
truth
Mistico
07-31-2009, 04:30 PM
its just equal it is in DotA... it works over all map... its just a support aura... like the lycan buff gives damage to all allied heroes on map...
let that aura as it is... otherwise it would be almost useless... i would rather get '+' than get one aura that wouldnt help the team...
iNeuron1
07-31-2009, 04:31 PM
Holy ****, Glacius has aura that gives a little mana regen boost. Imho pick him and instant win. Or is it ?
Electroman1
07-31-2009, 04:34 PM
Seriously, the fact that it affects the entire map is just ridiculous. It should be a large range but should not cover more than one lane.
Looks like someone got harassed alot early game by his teammates because of the INSANE 3 point manareg (at level 4 of the skill).
Seriously though, no.
Wookster
07-31-2009, 04:57 PM
Glacius is a port of Rylai Crestfall(Crystal Maiden) from DotA.
She was considered extremely overpowered and was a top pick/ban exclusively because of her aura. I foresee Glacius receiving a nerf to his aura sooner or later.
In other words, the original poster is correct.
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you're dumb.
Poultry
07-31-2009, 04:59 PM
The aura is good but outside of that glacius is a sub par character.
Nerf the aura and buff his other abilities imo
Wookster
07-31-2009, 05:04 PM
The hero is played purely as support. Increase the str gain, increase the movement speed and then reduce the mana aura. No point in kicking an already mediocre hero.
ClownFoot
07-31-2009, 05:11 PM
lol, if glacius didnt have that aura he would be totally useless. he is one of (if not the) slowest heroes in the game. he has pitiful health, his damage is incredibly low, his hold can easily be escaped from, his slow is worthless beyond 1 level, and his ultimate...
EnragedCamel
07-31-2009, 05:20 PM
Rofl at people who are calling Glacious mediocre.
He is an incredible support hero. One of the best in fact. The aura is not "merely" +3 mana per sec. Especially early on, it is insane. It also makes all items that give a % bonus to mana regen much, much more useful, giving casters a tremendous advantage.
He also has a very decent stun that does decent damage, as well as a nuke that slows people down. His ult could use some work (very luck based atm), but it is still decent.
Honestly, some of you people sound like you never play the game.
Mindcry
07-31-2009, 05:30 PM
i dont think his aura is overpowered.
but i do think his ultimate sucks.
Khaaz
07-31-2009, 05:30 PM
I wish they'd make fix his ult so it wasn't so random, and just make it do the damage automatically to everyone in the radius rather than it going off in small bursts throughout the radius. I also wish they made his aoe nuke do the full do to everyone in the the aoe range rather than having it do full damage to your primary target then only 100 something damage to everyone else. I think with those changes Glacius would be a reaaaally sick hero, but not anymore overpowered than alot of other int in the game (zeus, defiler, torturer, etc.).
Wookster
07-31-2009, 05:54 PM
And you're obviously extremely clever and witty, as evidence by your well-thought, in depth post that truly proves you are someone who knows their stuff.
Or you're just a whiner because you or your team regularly picks Glacius for the aura and are upset that it will(very likely) get nerfed.
/shrug
Glacius requires another hero around to hold his hand to kill anyone. His disable also does not stop an enemy from casting spells. It has a very limited inital silence for something like .5 seconds after the cast and then the target can regain casting ability. It's useful for interrupting channeling effects and snaring.
His aura is the most useful at the beginning of the game when everyone else is lacking regen items. But when he gets his aura he also limits his own ability to do anything. Great, he can iceblock - refer to my first point about how limited that is - but he can't frost nova (which is already weak at max rank).
What leagues was he actually banned in for his aura? His aura is the only thing the hero has going for him. He's played solely for augmenting other heroes. The aura fits the mold for how his design intent. Not all heroes are supposed to be carry heroes.
In regards to your comment, Camel, about people sounding as if they never play the game. I agree with you. Some of you sound like you've never witnessed Glacius played well.
Being an experienced and well played DoTA player coupled with 120+ games of HoN so far, I can honestly say that Glacius is extremely dangerous to any opponents in the same lane.
Pssssss...he was never intended to tank Predator....just in case you guys didn't know that.
Glacius requires another hero around to hold his hand to kill anyone. His disable also does not stop an enemy from casting spells. It has a very limited inital silence for something like .5 seconds after the cast and then the target can regain casting ability. It's useful for interrupting channeling effects and snaring.
His aura is the most useful at the beginning of the game when everyone else is lacking regen items. But when he gets his aura he also limits his own ability to do anything. Great, he can iceblock - refer to my first point about how limited that is - but he can't frost nova (which is already weak at max rank).
What leagues was he actually banned in for his aura? His aura is the only thing the hero has going for him. He's played solely for augmenting other heroes. The aura fits the mold for how his design intent. Not all heroes are supposed to be carry heroes.
Exactly.
I wish they'd make fix his ult so it wasn't so random, and just make it do the damage automatically to everyone in the radius rather than it going off in small bursts throughout the radius. I also wish they made his aoe nuke do the full do to everyone in the the aoe range rather than having it do full damage to your primary target then only 100 something damage to everyone else. I think with those changes Glacius would be a reaaaally sick hero, but not anymore overpowered than alot of other int in the game (zeus, defiler, torturer, etc.).
Yea! While you're at it let's allow scepter to boost his DD nuke and increase the duration of his freeze!
Yea yea!
...no.
Sadhe
07-31-2009, 06:00 PM
It also makes all items that give a % bonus to mana regen much, much more useful, giving casters a tremendous advantage.
No, it doesn't.
Int * 0.04 * (1 + % Mana Regen) + # Mana Regen
Buff frost nova, and change or nerf the aura.
It is a disgustingly horribly sight and feeling as an int hero and facing STR/AGI heros in your lane toppling your manaregen and throwing their lowass manacost spells at you with no stop, better yet facing the blacksmith,
Glacius has one of the longest attack ranges. Use it.
Verne
07-31-2009, 06:16 PM
If Glacius' aura is nerfed they need to increase his damage (base and ability) by a lot and also boost his movement speed and maybe make his ultimate non-channelled.
Tidus1
07-31-2009, 06:20 PM
nerf the aura down to .5/1/1.5/2 from .75/1.5/2.25/3
Darkstrand
07-31-2009, 06:27 PM
The aura is fine, I'd say that is the only reason to actually get Glacius these days
IKHAN
07-31-2009, 06:32 PM
I think he's fine. Not the best support hero, but with the limited selection if you know how to play you can help your team a lot with him. You only need one, maybe two levels of his aura depending on your team though.
Tidus1
07-31-2009, 06:38 PM
it is the only reason to get glacius
in dota 6.60 they nerfed the aura from 6.59 (the aura in HoN is based off 6.59) to what i said in my previous post. he's still very good. in dota, crystal maiden has one of the crappiest attack animations in the game, and she still got nerfed. in HoN, glacius has an attack animation that allows him to compete with anyone that has similar base attack damage. PLUS his aura is a full mana point per second higher then in DotA at this point. tbh, he needs a minor rework involving the things they did to him in DotA. buffing the frost nova (because lvl 1 gives the full 4 seconds of slow; lvling it up ONLY increases mana cost and damage, anyone good with him gets this at lvl 1 and then not again until lvl 12) and nerfing the aura would make his skills more equal.
His aura should be buffed if anything, for himself. 5/10/15/20% passive chance to freeze (small damage, very short stun) melee that hit HIM ONLY
EnragedCamel
07-31-2009, 07:03 PM
Reduce aura range to 1500.
Give it a passive chance to freeze attackers for 1 sec.
Slightly buff his speed.
GG he's fixed.
Paragon
07-31-2009, 07:44 PM
His ult should probably be fixed to apply a constant damage effect to anything under its effect, rather than the random explosion behavior it currently has. CMs ult in DotA was changed with this in mind some time ago in an effort to make it more useful in the general case and a little less insta-gib in the occasional RNG case.
I don't think his aura needs to be changed. If they buff Nova to behave more like the CM equivalent, they could probably reduce the mana regen slightly.
kingcomrade
07-31-2009, 07:49 PM
It also makes all items that give a % bonus to mana regen much, much more useful, giving casters a tremendous advantage.Not true. If HoN follows DotA's forumula the +mana is added after base regen is calculated, just like with with Ring of Basilus.
It's something like (Base Mana Regen From Int * Mana%Regen) + Aura + Basilus
Do not reduce the range on her aura, that's a stupid idea which will nerf the hero into uselessness.
Colinthetank
07-31-2009, 08:16 PM
His aura regen used to just be in a large AOE around him. She (Glacius/Crystal Maiden) was rarely played in Dota because of the hero's low hp. Changing the aura to map wide significantly improved the usefulness of this hero. If a person maxes out the mana regen early, just go gank her. She is so vulnerable to a gank. Plus when she is dead, the team no longer gains the mana regen.
I think the aura is fine, for the above reason.s
Himura1
07-31-2009, 08:46 PM
the aura numbers can be tweaked but hell no for making the aura non global. do that and he will be nerfed too much. just remake him into 6.6x CM and he'll be fine
Valkyrie5
07-31-2009, 09:08 PM
he is one of (if not the) slowest heroes in the game.
Devourer, Techies, and Invoker clock in at 285.
Glacius' aura is nice early game, but his ultimate and slow/nuke both suck. The only real buff hes gotten is the faster attack animation. Keep him the way he is, or at least buff his slow.
ClownFoot
07-31-2009, 09:27 PM
Devourer, Techies, and Invoker clock in at 285.
Glacius' aura is nice early game, but his ultimate and slow/nuke both suck. The only real buff hes gotten is the faster attack animation. Keep him the way he is, or at least buff his slow.
his speed is 280, so i repeat: one of the, if not the, slowest hero in the game.
imo, glacius could use a buff without nerfing his aura. maybe make his nova stronger, or fix his ult to something that has a semblance of potential
Darkstrand
07-31-2009, 09:57 PM
Reduce aura range to 1500.
Give it a passive chance to freeze attackers for 1 sec.
Slightly buff his speed.
GG he's fixed.
Might as well replace his aura with something else then.. The skill would suck too much **** to be used.
Tsukii
07-31-2009, 10:00 PM
Glacius is a port of Rylai Crestfall(Crystal Maiden) from DotA.
She was considered extremely overpowered and was a top pick/ban exclusively because of her aura. I foresee Glacius receiving a nerf to his aura sooner or later.
In other words, the original poster is correct.
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you're dumb.
And you're obviously extremely clever and witty, as evidence by your well-thought, in depth post that truly proves you are someone who knows their stuff.
Or you're just a whiner because you or your team regularly picks Glacius for the aura and are upset that it will(very likely) get nerfed.
/shrug
no he is not dumb, bc of her aura cm was a banned char in most league play or a top pick, this was noticed by icefrog and she was nerfed in .60 of dota ( the regen was nerfed ) tho her aoe was buffed. she is still good in .60 even with the nerf.
Drunken_Jedi
07-31-2009, 10:30 PM
Anyone who thinks that Glacius isn't very overpowered right now obviously doesn't have any DotA experience above pub level. Crystal Maiden used to be one of the strongest heroes in the game and she was guaranteed to be banned or picked in every serious game.
The aura basically ensures early game dominance and is still quite useful in mid and late game. It's just such a huge factor that it really doesn't matter that CM is very slow and has an extremely crappy attack animation.
To the untrained eye CM/Glacius of course appears to be a lot weaker because he/she dies a lot and farms very little, so in a competitive DotA game it's not unusual to see a CM having nothing but Phase Boots and a few Bracers at the 50 minute mark with stats of 1-9. But the aura is just such a huge factor that it doesn't matter. In fact, even if you disconnected or left at level 7, you'd still be huge asset to your team.
So yes, Glacius needs a significant nerf.
willtsay
07-31-2009, 10:40 PM
just change glacius into pure CM D: -> Moar Fan Service plx ;)
she's pretty damn good in those comp games, banned plenty of times with excellent ganking/supportage.
Darkstrand
07-31-2009, 10:54 PM
Anyone who thinks that Glacius isn't very overpowered right now obviously doesn't have any DotA experience above pub level. Crystal Maiden used to be one of the strongest heroes in the game and she was guaranteed to be banned or picked in every serious game.
The aura basically ensures early game dominance and is still quite useful in mid and late game. It's just such a huge factor that it really doesn't matter that CM is very slow and has an extremely crappy attack animation.
To the untrained eye CM/Glacius of course appears to be a lot weaker because he/she dies a lot and farms very little, so in a competitive DotA game it's not unusual to see a CM having nothing but Phase Boots and a few Bracers at the 50 minute mark with stats of 1-9. But the aura is just such a huge factor that it doesn't matter. In fact, even if you disconnected or left at level 7, you'd still be huge asset to your team.
So yes, Glacius needs a significant nerf.
You kidding? Glacious sucks right now, his iceblock doesn't work as it should, and the range on his spells are wayy too short. I haven't tried his ult after patch, but I'm sure it hasn't gotten much better.
He's not that great being just an aura.
Ryno2112
07-31-2009, 11:52 PM
This entire topic is ridiculous. Are these people serious? Glacius overpowered? All he is is his aura. That's it. He has no other useful attributes about him except that his disable can hold someone in place lol. God If eel like I'm being trolled with this topic.
OMG LEVEL 4 GLOBAL 3 MANA PER SEC REGEN AURA SO IMBA! THREE MANA. i mean really? even with Pharoah's 50 mana per cast tormented soul, it takes almsot 20 seconds before he has the mana back for it. That's at level 4 too.
This aura is pretty useless late game too. I mean honestly, what is three mana doing for people at mid to late game? NOTHING.
if a three mana aura is ruining your game,y ou were gunna lose anyways.
SuperStanos
07-31-2009, 11:53 PM
It doesn't seem like much but it sure adds up in the long run.
Darkshy
08-01-2009, 01:03 AM
It's a support aura. Glacius still does not have alot of HP and the aura only works when he is alive.
Uludayen
08-01-2009, 01:15 AM
Rofl at people who are calling Glacious mediocre.
He is an incredible support hero. One of the best in fact. The aura is not "merely" +3 mana per sec. Especially early on, it is insane. It also makes all items that give a % bonus to mana regen much, much more useful, giving casters a tremendous advantage.
He also has a very decent stun that does decent damage, as well as a nuke that slows people down. His ult could use some work (very luck based atm), but it is still decent.
Honestly, some of you people sound like you never play the game.
Honestly, the % to mana is only for base.
please try again
killerkrill
08-01-2009, 01:23 AM
Glacius's aura can be both overpowered and underpowered. For example in a recent game my teammate picked Torturer and my other teammate picked, you guessed it. Glacius. Early game was decent, our Glacius gave first blood, but later on when Torturer got blood stone his ultimate was on constantly. His mana was draining at roughly 5 mana per second, and it dominated their team. On the other hand Glacius and Lycan don't work so good together. Sure the mana aura's helpful but not vital.
Vibah
08-01-2009, 04:24 AM
you're dumb.
He's right. The aura is way to overpowered and got hit by the nerfbat in 6.60 because she was either instabanned or firstpicked in every competetive game.
Vibah
08-01-2009, 04:27 AM
This entire topic is ridiculous. Are these people serious? Glacius overpowered? All he is is his aura. That's it. He has no other useful attributes about him except that his disable can hold someone in place lol. God If eel like I'm being trolled with this topic.
OMG LEVEL 4 GLOBAL 3 MANA PER SEC REGEN AURA SO IMBA! THREE MANA. i mean really? even with Pharoah's 50 mana per cast tormented soul, it takes almsot 20 seconds before he has the mana back for it. That's at level 4 too.
This aura is pretty useless late game too. I mean honestly, what is three mana doing for people at mid to late game? NOTHING.
if a three mana aura is ruining your game,y ou were gunna lose anyways.
Lol, are YOU serious is the real question here? The auro is autowin for all lanes. Play Defiler with Glacius on your team and you've already won with the unnerfed bloodstone\aura\ms boost.
JustAnothe2
08-01-2009, 04:36 AM
Lol, are YOU serious is the real question here? The auro is autowin for all lanes. Play Defiler with Glacius on your team and you've already won with the unnerfed bloodstone\aura\ms boost.
but you got a nerfed ult.
CM was moved in the right direction by icefrog- from a ward ***** to a disabler. I think the aura nerf/nova buff would help thsi cm b/c she has way better animation.
Himura1
08-01-2009, 04:37 AM
CM was nerfed because she was INT hero's fav in comp games. extra 3 mana a sec regen is nearly the same as an arcane ring pressing at every charge. this allowed int hero's to spam ALOT. a dirge + zeus lane was scary, but with cm it was unstoppable because they could spam non stop. that's where cm's strength was and tht was her aura was nerfed.
DaarkSTorM
08-01-2009, 11:44 AM
It's an amazing aura, but I don't think it is overpowered. It was reduced to 2 mana regen(in dota) so I guess they will follow up eventually.
Lethe
08-01-2009, 11:47 AM
Honestly, the % to mana is only for base.
please try again
This is true. EnragedCamel, do your research next time.
Xitras
08-01-2009, 12:05 PM
If you nerf his aura you need to give him higher base strength.
budbaron
08-01-2009, 12:48 PM
they should just make glacius ult like Torturer, turn on turn off at will just drains some mana
GaIactic
08-01-2009, 12:56 PM
Glacius is a port of Rylai Crestfall(Crystal Maiden) from DotA.
She was considered extremely overpowered and was a top pick/ban exclusively because of her aura. I foresee Glacius receiving a nerf to his aura sooner or later.
In other words, the original poster is correct.
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top ban/pick? Where? What league? Nobody banned CM in REAL "competitive play"... maybe in noob TDA Captain's Mode games, but those are just 1 small step above pugs...
Glacius needs a buff to his ult if anything, he's not even as good as CM was, and CM was just a decent pure support. Glacius' ult is random as hell. And to someone saying he shouldn't be able to tank predator... uh.... he CAN'T. Not against a Predator with even a HINT of skill anyway.
^_-;
Darkshine1
08-01-2009, 01:06 PM
Yeah, Glacius needs a buff to his ultimate, badly. At this point, there's pretty much no reason to do anything but:
1. Ice Imprisonment
2. Tundra Blast
3. Ice Imprisonment
4. Chilling Presence
5. Ice Imprisonment
6. Chilling Presence
7. Ice Imprisonment
8. Chilling Presence
9. Chilling Presence
And then stats till whenever. Tundra Blast doesn't do enough damage for me to want to invest more than a point in it, since the slow doesn't get any better with more points in it, and Glacial Downpour is completely useless at the moment. So, yeah, buff Glacial Downpour and Tundra Blast and nerf chilling Presence. Then, Glacius will actually be able to do things other than give mana and freeze people in place. :P