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Vinthian
07-30-2009, 11:54 PM
Match 529727...
I truly think is guy is -broken-.
Now- I know that if you feed any character that he will be imba, but this guy was truly unkillable 1v5 very late game. He single handedly won the game for the Legion. If someone would kindly just review this game and come to a conclusion that he doesn't need a nerf, I will shut up. Until then, his shield is broken. Tanking Behemoth Ult and Axe + Tempest and Madman while freely hitting Rax isn't even... balanced? RIGHT! k.
willtsay
07-31-2009, 12:13 AM
isn't it worse than medusa's? at level 4 its .75 mana drained per 1 damage while medusa's is 2 damage per 1 mana.
SolidStroke
07-31-2009, 12:38 AM
Unkillable? But could he do much beyond assisting?
SuperStanos
07-31-2009, 12:40 AM
Yeah he can tank but he really doesn't have much damage. If you can cyclone him or control him in some way he's really not as big of an impact player.
Travakh
07-31-2009, 12:48 AM
He's designed to be unkillable. He also has zippo for damage and a piss animation.
Vinthian
07-31-2009, 01:03 AM
But unkillable and just autoing a melee rax? Come on now... Can't even counter it.
willtsay
07-31-2009, 01:05 AM
how farmed was he o_o or how many charges on sac heart did he have xO
can't review the game as i can't open up HoN rite nao X-x
Tidus1
07-31-2009, 01:13 AM
lol.. you can review games?
eLdeeN
07-31-2009, 01:13 AM
but his attack is very usless, almost he got the "ulti" and the shackle....
tomlol
07-31-2009, 01:14 AM
Manta style on every hero. and a Anti-mage
But in all seriousness. I love playing electritian, and have become almost unkilliable in many games.
Almost... Because he cannot become truly unkillable unless you let him farm infinate mana regen. Keep him harassed, control him in fights so he cant stun you, burn his mana if you can.
Zephers tornados are really good for destroying his shield mid game
willtsay
07-31-2009, 01:16 AM
lol.. you can review games?
i have no clue maybe he is talking to the ppl at HoN who can review games?
i don't know if you can XP
OP tell us what that elec had lol -___- bloodstone with 10 + charges??
tomlol
07-31-2009, 01:23 AM
OP tell us what that elec had lol -___- bloodstone with 10 + charges??
Hope not, something's wrong when a support hero is getting all the kills.
If he did, he'd probably have had a dagon, which means he was either fed, it was easy mode, or both.
Vinthian
07-31-2009, 01:28 AM
He wasn't doing very well, but the problem was that he just wasn't dying... and over the course of 60 minutes, it's ridiculous. It was a regular RD, non em game.
While I was playing Behemoth, I tried to blink ult into him while creeps and a few teammates were around, and he'd lose about 10% hp.
HonStinks
07-31-2009, 01:31 AM
Well from your description I'm guessing he had no items at all, just turned on manashield and did whatever he wanted. You know, like every other electrician.
Mugenrider
07-31-2009, 01:34 AM
Match 529727...
I truly think is guy is -broken-.
Now- I know that if you feed any character that he will be imba, but this guy was truly unkillable 1v5 very late game. He single handedly won the game for the Legion. If someone would kindly just review this game and come to a conclusion that he doesn't need a nerf, I will shut up. Until then, his shield is broken. Tanking Behemoth Ult and Axe + Tempest and Madman while freely hitting Rax isn't even... balanced? RIGHT! k.
You try using the guy, I bet you will get face pwned. :D
Vinthian
07-31-2009, 01:37 AM
But in competitive play or somewhat serious games, People with some experience playing him will be able to tank late game very easily. Now, tanking is okay, and that's not what I'm complaining about, I'm complaining about the fact that he's unscratchable 1v5.
willtsay
07-31-2009, 01:41 AM
why the hell hit him o___o hes not that big of a threat, sure stun him if he has grip on one of your allies, but otherwise he is almost an auto ignore in a team battle.
"He wasn't doing very well, but the problem was that he just wasn't dying... "
define doing very well? is that not getting the kills or not playing very well as in he sucked in ganks etc -___-
and if hes not dying while helping then i must say that is good in itself. -> no gold lost -> no exp lost -> better items/ higher level.
Vinthian
07-31-2009, 01:45 AM
So... don't hit him while he's auto attacking rax?
pummol
07-31-2009, 01:46 AM
An atropos ult with 1/10 of the cooldown as a regular skill.
I think that about says it.
Tyrando
07-31-2009, 01:48 AM
We lack Manaburn ports, give us Anub'Arak!
icevalk
07-31-2009, 01:58 AM
I think he is fine as is and really enjoy playing him, he fills a really nice tank/assist role. Sure, with some items he is near impossible to kill, but he's very vulnerable early on and has almost zero killing power on his own.
An atropos ult with 1/10 of the cooldown as a regular skill.
I think that about says it.
lol a slight overstatement - damage is far less despite being aoe, doesn't drain mana and pulls the electrician towards the target which can get you into trouble.
Viole
07-31-2009, 02:54 AM
hey guys (this is Gloom btw, your favoritest most lovely electrician buddy)
btw i hit for like 7 dmg who cares if i couldn't die. you had a jereziah too >:[
HonStinks
07-31-2009, 03:28 AM
why the hell hit him o___o hes not that big of a threat, sure stun him if he has grip on one of your allies, but otherwise he is almost an auto ignore in a team battle.Except that there is a 20 second stun, AoE manaburn and purge that removes every buff and debuff known to man.
But you are right in that you should ignore this guy, because it's pointless trying to kill him so you might as well ignore him in that regard, he doesn't deal a whole lot of damage on his own, but good luck trying to get something done when you can't use buffs nor debuffs and you cant use channeling spells and you cant escape nor chase when he is nearby.
Ninjafish1
07-31-2009, 03:30 AM
Match 529727...
I truly think is guy is -broken-.
Now- I know that if you feed any character that he will be imba, but this guy was truly unkillable 1v5 very late game. He single handedly won the game for the Legion. If someone would kindly just review this game and come to a conclusion that he doesn't need a nerf, I will shut up. Until then, his shield is broken. Tanking Behemoth Ult and Axe + Tempest and Madman while freely hitting Rax isn't even... balanced? RIGHT! k.
I may have been the electrition in that game... mine was a single draft as well.
I basically had bloodstone, null stone, an extra sustainer and stacked armor . I built the guy for only armor and mana/life regen.
I remember sitting there with all heros and creeps attacking me and it wasnt putting much of a dent at all in my life/mana pool. Basically I would grab someone and my team would nuke them while the rest ran away.
I didnt die the entire game until the very last second where I decided to see if i could tank all 5 of their heros in their own fountain and actually I lasted about 12-15 seconds so it was pretty impressive.
Not really over powered, but I hadnt died the entire game. Didnt get many kills being a disabler, but I did solo many towers/buildings for a lot of extra gold.
They did feed a bit at start and thats all it really took to start ganking. For extra lawls get a polywog priest too.
On a side note, electrician's grip WORKS on roshan, not sure if this skill should be working on him but it make killing him very easy.
Viole
07-31-2009, 03:58 AM
I may have been the electrition in that game... mine was a single draft as well.
I basically had bloodstone, null stone, an extra sustainer and stacked armor . I built the guy for only armor and mana/life regen.
I remember sitting there with all heros and creeps attacking me and it wasnt putting much of a dent at all in my life/mana pool. Basically I would grab someone and my team would nuke them while the rest ran away.
I didnt die the entire game until the very last second where I decided to see if i could tank all 5 of their heros in their own fountain and actually I lasted about 12-15 seconds so it was pretty impressive.
Not really over powered, but I hadnt died the entire game. Didnt get many kills being a disabler, but I did solo many towers/buildings for a lot of extra gold.
They did feed a bit at start and thats all it really took to start ganking. For extra lawls get a polywog priest too.
On a side note, electrician's grip WORKS on roshan, not sure if this skill should be working on him but it make killing him very easy.
Nope, the game was against me, I'm nearly certain. Exact team makeup sounds perfect, and the name rings a bell.
War_Colossus
07-31-2009, 03:59 AM
How do I review a game? I'd really like to see this.
We lack Manaburn ports, give us Anub'Arak!
ye:D
Vinthian
07-31-2009, 04:02 AM
It was RD, not SD, and Viole, please tell me that that Electrician shouldn't be played that way... It'd be better if he had less survivability (or tankability) and more fire power... And yeah, you guys had Pollywog Priest that game too (z_Z).
I'm not the kind of person who usually *****es about this stuff, but that was the most insane tanking I've ever seen. I was sure we could've won if you'd die along with the rest of your team.
I remember the only time you did die was when you got careless in our base (after about 1 minute of pounding).
Viole
07-31-2009, 04:25 AM
It was RD, not SD, and Viole, please tell me that that Electrician shouldn't be played that way... It'd be better if he had less survivability (or tankability) and more fire power... And yeah, you guys had Pollywog Priest that game too (z_Z).
I'm not the kind of person who usually *****es about this stuff, but that was the most insane tanking I've ever seen. I was sure we could've won if you'd die along with the rest of your team.
I remember the only time you did die was when you got careless in our base (after about 1 minute of pounding).
Why shouldn't he? He's high defensive, low offensive. It's a fair trade-off. Grip could use a minor nerf if anything, it's worse than Pollywog's net, but it just has great synergy with the rest of his electric abilities. As you noticed, the only kills I got were using absorption to try to KS for some
charges (I was with friends, so it's no big problem to KS them haha).
Pollywog was our only non-friend, and he was pretty bad. I don't like kicking people though, but he did have some nice nets. Without him though we'd have won 30m earlier; you wouldn't have been so fed without his 15+ deaths :P
And nah, I had enough gold to buyback if I wanted to, it's why my items didn't change much :[ But honestly, it was a great game. No leavers, and it was pretty even throuought :O
PS: I totally was typing in messages while you all killed me, I was like "**** this im not going to get away might as well see who's IMing me" ROFL <3
KyuneM
07-31-2009, 04:34 AM
I find elec to be truly a utility hero---I'm rather amused at his level 1 charge ability though, can generally creep/hero harass early game infinitely since the charges almost always restore more mana than it costs.
RaWRpewpew
07-31-2009, 04:40 AM
Bring on the Nerub Assasin!
I would not mind lion either :P
*zap zap*
I like zapping stuff, pyro just doesnt fill my lust for zapping stuff. xD
Ninjafish1
07-31-2009, 06:51 PM
Want to know how to get kills solo early game as electrician? Let your lane get pushed back to your own tower, then bait the enemy hero (only works if their melee). If you have a lvl 3 grip you can grip then inside the towers range and it will do all the dirty work for you :)
I've done this once against magebane, mostly because he got greedy with his hits trying to mana burn me and figured he could just blink away if I tried to attack with my weak damage. Needless to say no one expected an early gank out of electrician in a solo lane.
Darkstrand
07-31-2009, 06:52 PM
Yep, Electrician is pretty OP for a support hero.
ClownFoot
07-31-2009, 09:36 PM
how to counter electrician: target a different hero, kill it. rinse/repeat.
electrician is supposed to be hard to kill, but is there actually any reason to bother killing him? other than being able to grip someone, he cant do much. a simple stun can disrupt that, and then he basically is stuck auto-attacking for the rest of the fight.
Ninjafish1
07-31-2009, 10:13 PM
how to counter electrician: target a different hero, kill it. rinse/repeat.
electrician is supposed to be hard to kill, but is there actually any reason to bother killing him? other than being able to grip someone, he cant do much. a simple stun can disrupt that, and then he basically is stuck auto-attacking for the rest of the fight.
Dont forget his ult prevents runners and helps his own team members escape combat.
damican
07-31-2009, 10:23 PM
Unkillable? But could he do much beyond assisting?
His diable, purge/speedup and mana drain is more then enough. Get him some good items for a late build and he's crazy OP. His disable along is insane. One of the reasons rhasta isnt crazy imba in dota is because you can actually kill him. Killing electrician is significantly harder.
BTW POLLYWOG NEEDS BUFF PLZ DISABLE RANGE 2 SMALL
willtsay
07-31-2009, 11:07 PM
cyclone and silence + ignore :O although i must say his static grip is a little too good. Synergizes really well with e-absorption, mana cost a tad on the low side, esp when he has energy absorption to off set mana costs.
Himura1
07-31-2009, 11:24 PM
last game i had against an electrician... i was swiftblade and i was whacking him for 600+ crits... and his hp hardly moved =.=
all he had was enhanced marches, null stone and totem (sheepstick forgot HoN name)
i could hardly hurt him ! -___-;;;
But unkillable and just autoing a melee rax? Come on now... Can't even counter it.
counter it by not letting him farm endlessly until late game?
stop posting.
KARTlK
08-01-2009, 12:01 AM
He's useless in team fights :|
Himura1
08-01-2009, 12:24 AM
He's useless in team fights :|
not really. get a guinsoo on him and u can disable a target for 8 ish seconds, and u can slow enemies/speed up ur allies. if u wan them to focus u get a radiance. They hit u, but ur a tank. and if they ignore u, that AoE damage hurts =\
*and the 8% evasion never hurts xD*
(i still nt sure with HoN names sry)
Lethe
08-01-2009, 01:51 AM
IMO Electrician is one of the best heroes in the game currently.
It is not due to energy shield though.
Guile
08-01-2009, 01:53 AM
never NEVER have i blamed a loss or even troubles in a game on electrician...
Llama
08-01-2009, 02:02 AM
sheild breaker probably wouldve helped. or daemonic. or soulstealer
tddvisme
08-01-2009, 07:52 PM
It's based on player's level. We can not think he is imba.
Like U said, he is 1v5, maybe he pumped 4 player's items.
Non sense :)
Tyrando
08-02-2009, 04:48 AM
Having read this thread, here is what I believe:
- People are grossly exaggerating his tanking abilities. He is not able to survive 5v1 damage, no hero is able to do that as it would just break the game.
...
No actually he can, ive done it, you just need to be overfed to the max.
tddvisme
08-02-2009, 05:13 AM
No actually he can, ive done it, you just need to be overfed to the max.
lol
let think about this situation
U play electrician and go mid
enemies heroes farm free in bot and top, they destroyed all tower
now, how can U solo 1v5 when all Ur tower are destroyed ??, they don't need to gank U, just pushing => never U win :))
Emiscary
08-02-2009, 05:35 AM
He's not much worse than Accursed as far as pure survivability goes. Hell, give Abaddon the same base conditions (EG: let him farm up until "very" late game) and by the time HE has a heart a vanguard a cuirass a satanic and a life token he's damn near immortal.
Tyrando
08-02-2009, 05:39 AM
lol
let think about this situation
U play electrician and go mid
enemies heroes farm free in bot and top, they destroyed all tower
now, how can U solo 1v5 when all Ur tower are destroyed ??, they don't need to gank U, just pushing => never U win :))
Think about this i play Elec, i get fed like crazy, i get Sac Stone very early on, i get around 4 charges by lvl 13 and im already that much closer to making Frostfield Plate.
so my Health and Mana Regen becomes so fast that i dont care what heroes you've got i aint dying.
And ive done it, when you can tank a Behemoth Ulti with alot of creeps around you whilst having Cursed Ground on you, Its GG.
In short never ever feed an Elec.
_M_M_
08-02-2009, 05:44 AM
In a balanced game, there is no way that electrician can that farm so much that the opposite team can't kill him.
Potentially, almost any overfed hero is virtually unkillable at some points.
Fact is with electrician, he's not a killer, and like against any meatshield, ignore him and go for the rest of the team. If he has been fed, the rest was not.
Tyrando
08-02-2009, 12:02 PM
....
Hypothetical, duh.
Just like your Hypothetical Electrician in mid.
...
HonStinks
08-02-2009, 01:49 PM
Sup guys I have an manaburn similar to nerubian assassin, except that it's AoE and I get all the mana that gets burned + I get armor boosts from it. It's pretty nifty because I can throw all my spells twice and then use this once and I'll still be full mana afterwards.
I come with a built-in 300 damage, 4+ second stun, but hey, it's a channeling spell so that balances it out, almost. At least the manacost and cooldown are really high except that they aren't.
I also like to toss around a few purges every now and then, you know, just removing every buff and debuff in the game. It also gives me and my buds a speed burst, imagine that!!
There's also an immortality spell, but, it's pretty boring. It really helps me tank a lot better, although I am a STR hero so I would've tanked a bit more than casters and glass cannons anyhow, blacksmith excluded offcourse, no one will be crazy enough to challenge the STR gain on that INT hero.
My STR gain is only like 2+, maybe even 3 per level so that's 5 times less than blacksmith, which is understandable because he is an INT caster hero.
Lethe
08-02-2009, 03:01 PM
Sup guys I have an manaburn similar to nerubian assassin, except that it's AoE and I get all the mana that gets burned + I get armor boosts from it. It's pretty nifty because I can throw all my spells twice and then use this once and I'll still be full mana afterwards.
I come with a built-in 300 damage, 4+ second stun, but hey, it's a channeling spell so that balances it out, almost. At least the manacost and cooldown are really high except that they aren't.
I also like to toss around a few purges every now and then, you know, just removing every buff and debuff in the game. It also gives me and my buds a speed burst, imagine that!!
There's also an immortality spell, but, it's pretty boring. It really helps me tank a lot better, although I am a STR hero so I would've tanked a bit more than casters and glass cannons anyhow, blacksmith excluded offcourse, no one will be crazy enough to challenge the STR gain on that INT hero.
My STR gain is only like 2+, maybe even 3 per level so that's 5 times less than blacksmith, which is understandable because he is an INT caster hero.
I like this guy
DaarkSTorM
08-02-2009, 07:28 PM
He's useless in team fights :|
Long disable, aoe mana burn+damage, slow+purge effect on ennemy, haste on friendly target. You call that useless in team fights?
Frog100
08-02-2009, 07:33 PM
An atropos ult with 1/10 of the cooldown as a regular skill.
I think that about says it.
I think what you mean is
"Slighlty buffed Rhasta's Shackles"
There's a difference.
Sabre
08-02-2009, 07:46 PM
Electrican is a very strong support hero, but his farming ability is one of the worst in the game. If he is getting fed off of hero kills then either a) the rest of his team will suffer for it or b) the rest of the team is getting kills anyways, which means the game is likely a roll
Tyrando
08-03-2009, 03:37 AM
Electrican is a very strong support hero, but his farming ability is one of the worst in the game. If he is getting fed off of hero kills then either a) the rest of his team will suffer for it or b) the rest of the team is getting kills anyways, which means the game is likely a roll
Both his damage abilties are AoE he can farm very well tbh.
Lethe
08-03-2009, 04:50 AM
Electrican is a very strong support hero, but his farming ability is one of the worst in the game. If he is getting fed off of hero kills then either a) the rest of his team will suffer for it or b) the rest of the team is getting kills anyways, which means the game is likely a roll
Only idiots cannot farm with Electrician.
Killroy
08-03-2009, 04:56 AM
Static grip is AoE? I thought only his third skill was AoE.
Lethe
08-03-2009, 04:58 AM
Everyone in this thread should check out my Electrician guide for their own sake.
HonStinks
08-03-2009, 05:18 AM
Sup guys I really don't need any survival items or mana regen, my skills have those parts covered, and I can lasthit just as well as most melee heroes but still I somehow am apparently always so poor that I can't spend my gold on damage items because my purpose is DPS, as demonstrated via my skillset.
Walterion
08-03-2009, 05:33 AM
Static grip is AoE? I thought only his third skill was AoE.
The damage is AOE, the Stun isn't.
humpage
08-03-2009, 06:03 AM
While I was playing Behemoth, I tried to blink ult into him while creeps and a few teammates were around, and he'd lose about 10% hp.
because behemoth is only good for stunning................
Digicon
08-03-2009, 06:15 AM
Electrician just doesn't really register as a game changer in my book, it only works really well complementing other carries on the team.
His disable is pretty nifty but it's really got nothing on, say, tempest's ult which really is an AoE version of the same thing .. throw in a refresher and you've got yourself enough disable for most team fights.
Electrician just doesn't appeal to me as a character who can carry but rather as a character who, late-game, is just a meat shield and at most, a harasser.