Predator (what you actually need to know)

[a_cloth]

Why you need to read this.

Ok after months of randomly seeing these sh!tty predator guides which make no sense once so ever, give useless opinions on items, give no thought into why items synergize together etc. I've decided to break this hero down to what you actually need to know.

So why play Predator?
I think Predator is a pretty cool guy. He steals your life and doesn't afraid of anything.

He's also an extremely strong carry when farmed up. The use of his Stone Hide is also highly skill related like Valkyrie's Javelin of LIght, so you can look super pro when you learn to play him. Also did I mention he's the carry, ya thats right you get to carry. (omfg first pick now)

Base stats
Meh.

Base movespeed
Meh.

Venomous Leap
This is your slow/catch up/blink/initiation spell which deals magic damage as soon as you reach them and triggers an auto attack as soon as you land.

Stone Hide
This is a built-in Shrunken head on lowest duration. It's instant cast so yeah. It also gives bonus armor, which is kinda negligible. Use it when you need it, don't just cast it right away after you Leap, or wait exactly 2 seconds after you Leap before turning it on.

Examples of when to use Stone Hide:

Oh no Magmus ult = Use Stone Hide

Oh no Pyromancer is halfway through his animation for his ulti/Oh no Pyromancer's ulti is flying at me in the air = Use Stone Hide

I can easily kill that lonely Witch Slayer= Use Stone Hide right after Leap

About to gank Keeper of the Forest = Wait till he ults then use Stone Hide (Removing the Root) and chase - an example of debuff removal

My team's dumb so I'm initiating team fights = Initiate with Leap and turn on Stone Hide right away

Slither just hit me with his nuke and his ulti!!! = Use Stone Hide

I'm about to get disabled!!!! = Use Stone Hide

I have 5HP left and a ranged creeps projectile is flying towards me = Stone hide (for the bonus armor)

I'm about to fight Panda!! = Dont bother, save it for if you live through Panda's disable fest (Panda has 4 abilities that go through magic immunity)

Carnivorous

Lifesteal that scales with your opponents current health. You should be able to understand how this works and why this makes Predator an anti-tank. This also allows jungle Predator to be viable.

Carnivorous deals PHYSICAL damage meaning it's reduced by armor.

Carnivorous scales with ATTACK SPEED, because it takes away a percentage of health with EACH attack. The more attacks you get in, the more damage you effectively deal through Carnivorous.

Carnivorous is Predator's main source of DPS, therefore Predator scales with attack speed and armor-reducing abilities.

Skill build
I'm not giving a skill build, I'm just gonna explain things you need to know and I'll let you decide.

First off, if your hero has an ability that can be used to escape, always get that ability at level 1, unless you're jungling.

Ex:
Chronos = Leap
Madman = Invis
Predator = Stone Hide *Cough*
Magebane = Blink

If you're jungling you want to max out whatever is making you farm faster first.

Ex:
Legionaire = Spin
Predator = Carnivorous

If you're not jungling and your hero has a nuke (especially a magic damage nuke), you will generally want to max that first. Magic damage loses its effectiveness throughout the game because heroes gain higher max HP. So think about it like this, Thunder Bringer's ulti would do a higher percentage of damage to most heroes at 20 minutes than compared to 40 minutes when heroes have items that increase their max health. That 400 damage starts to go from maybe 30% of their max health being taken off to maybe 10% of their health being taken off.

Ex:

Thundebringer = Every spell
Pyro = Either one of his two nukes
Chronos = Leap
Predator= Leap

If you have a Blink it can be situational. Some heroes like Hag might get one level of Blink early for escapes then finish leveling their Blink last, while on others such as Magebane it might be maxed second or first. It's up to you when you want to start adding those second third and fourth levels of your Blink.

Ok so if you have an ultimate like Predator's and you're laning, you might want to pick up a level of it the first chance you get, however it would be perfectly acceptable to wait until levels 10-11 to pick up the first and second level of your ulti. If you were jungling and you plan to jungle until level 11 or further, then definitely wait until around 10-11 to pick up your ulti. You want to increase your farm in the jungle as much as possible and your ulti isnt gonna do that for you.

Whenever Leap and Carnivorous are maxed you can max out Stone Hide and stats.

What are my goals
Be useless until you get Insanitarius, followed by occasional ganking until you get a Shield Breaker, then carry to victory.

Starting items

Laning

-Not Marchers
-Runes of Blight
-Health Potion
-Logger's Hatchet
-3x Minor Totem

Jungling

-Not Marchers
-Iron Buckler
-Logger's Hatchet
-Runes of Blight

Boots first are bad; kill yourself if you ever get them or think they are viable.

This is what you need when you're laning, depending on your hero:

Nukers focused on harassing (Such as Pyromancer, Thunderbringer, Valkyrie and other aggressive laners that use magic damage) = Buy as much health regen and mana regen that you think you will need in lane. Then with the rest of your money you want to buy items that will increase your damage when you harass and increase your chance to last hit/deny.

Heroes that won't need mana regen in lane and focus on farm (Such as Chronos, Predator, Magebane) = Buy as much health regen as you need then buy items to last hit with. On heroes like Predator, Blood Hunter, Zephyr that have a way to heal in lane you can sacrifice some health regen for increased last hit damage. An example would be 3 Runes of Blight instead of 6.

Heroes that may need mana regen but need to prioritize farm (Such as Madman, Puppetmaster, Panda, Behemoth) = Buy mana regen and health regen but remember you need to able to last hit.

Heroes that need to babysit the lane (Hellbringer, Soul Reaper, Demented Shaman) = First off either buy a courier or wards depending on who is getting what. Then get the mana regen you need and health regen, most babysit heroes are built with some sort of heal so they can sacrifice some health regen to buy more mana regen and really support the lane. Finish off build with some damage to last hit.

Jungling You need a shield to greatly reduce the damage you take, start out jungling by pulling the first creep wave then kill small camps maybe pull 1 more more time then you can kill whatever. Jungling predator follows the rules of any jungling hero, go find a jungling guide if you want details.



Item build
I'm not gonna give you an item build, what I am gonna do is explain some things about some items and why they work so you can make an EDUCATED decision as to what you need.



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OMFG CLOTH WHICH BOOTS???

Steamboots help Predator because attack speed scales his Carnivorous damage and more health is always good. It gives more damage too. Predator doesn't need Ghost Marchers because Predator already has enough chasing power and a slow.

You now realize all HON boots have no laces.


http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Insanitarius.jpg

When is Insanitarius viable on Predator?

I had horrible farm - Get Insanitarius

I got 4 kills in lane! - Get Insanitarius

They have a lot of disables - Get Insanitarius

But it takes away health that scares me - Get Insanitarius

Am I playing Predator?

Yes: Get Insanitarius
No: Get Insanitarius

BUT I'M TOO NOOB TO ACTIVATE/DEACTIVATE IT
WHAT THE ****, YOU HAVE ONE ACTIVE ITEM YOU DUMB ****.

Insanitarius allows you to deal incredible amounts of dps for a relatively low price and it's as easy to put together as those Legos you probably still play with if you're reading this. When activated it also gives you 475 bonus health (I know wtf!) so if you're about to be nuked and you're on red HP, switch it on fast, take the nuke, turn it off and continue to escape. The reason it gives us so much damage is mainly because we have a huge attack speed problem early game but our main source of damage scales with attack speed, so the cheap attack speed + damage Insanitarius gives helps solve this dilemma.

You also realize Insanitarius is a face with its tongue sticking out... and has a strange human-like nose


http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Pierce.jpg

Highest damage item Predator can get - The moment you get this is when you begin to ruin games. The bonus damage increases your damage (obviously) and the -armor also increases your damage. Ok, cool, it does that for every hero whys it so special for Predator? Well if you remembered, Carnivorous is reduced by armor because its physical damage so -armor items will increase your auto attack damage and your bonus damage from Carnivorous, therefore just like night hound and agility your -armor items increase your damage in 2 ways! OMFG1337HAXSAUCE

If you were wondering if you can skip Shield Breaker or if its really necessary simply replace the word *Insanitarius* with *Shield Breaker* in the questionnaire above for Insanitarius.

You now realize the picture of Shield Breaker is actually a picture of Shield Breaker being shoved up a man's intestines.

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_DaemonicBreastplate.jpg

Ok I want you to think on this one. The heroes in HoN have abilities that seem to work with one another. Examples are Forsaken Archer's Volley and her ult; Devourer's Hook and ult; Puppet Master's hold and ult. So Predator's abilities must work together as well, correct? Yes!

Now look at this:

-Predator's Stone Hide gives you bonus armor (Because when you're immune to magical damage you can only be attacked physically so the armor helps a ton)

-Predators ult decreases opponents armor (This is so his Carnivorous deals more damage)

-Predators ult gives bonus attack speed (This is so Carnivorous occurs more often)

Now can you think of an item that decreases opponents armor/increases attack speed/gives bonus armor

Hopefully you realized what this item is, predators abilities basically give him a free Daemonic Breastplate because it is the PERFECT item for him. That's why another is just complete sex, it gives you everything you need and more. All the other bonuses of the Breastplate are just a nice additional touch.

Oh and a final thought, if your a backdoor whore lover (Like me) Daemonic Breastplates -armor aura works on towers and barracks EL OH EL

Oh you also now realize Daemonic Breastplate has a scary face on the front of it


http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Immunity.jpg

BUT I HAVE MAGIC IMMUNITY LOL FUKIN SCRUB

YA MAN TEAM FIGHTS HAVE NEVER LASTED OVER 5.25 SECONDS.

Some teams are heavily disable-oriented, and therefore if you're stuck initiating because your team has a learning disability then 5.25 seconds might not cut it. Shrunken head gives us health and more damage while giving us a chance for 20 seconds of magic immunity. So yeah you just went from having 5 seconds of magic immunity in team fights to 20 seconds. Now tell me this item isn't viable when your paying the same price for 15 seconds of immunity as a hero would pay for ten seconds. Remember though it's situational, you wouldnt get this if the other team had a Panda or Succubus (Since the extra immunity won't save you).

Teh mathz

Stone Hide lasts 5 seconds and has a 15 sec cooldown

Shrunken Head last 10 seconds

Figure it out

It's not always needed but its viable when necessary.

You now realize that the stitching over the eyes in the Shrunken Head picture go from the bottom of the eye to where the eyebrows would have been. If you use some common sense you can see that this in no way would stop you from opening your eyelids. The stitches would have to go from the bottom of the eye to the eyelids in order to keep them shut, however the stitches in no way touch the eyelids in the picture.


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Ok this is how to think about it, heroes that do insanely high amounts of damage from their auto attacks (Not from Carnivorous) tend to benefit more from crit if they need lategame luxury damage. Buuuuut

Heroes that depend on there attack speed to do damage more so than just huge amounts of attack damage tend to benefit more from Savage Mace. Also the bonus proc from Savage Mace is physical damage, and with all our negative armor you should see why that's more appealing.

Hero Examples:

Chronos Scales with attack speed because of his bash, therefore Savage Mace will grant more damage than Riftshards.
Magebane Scales with his mana burn, therefore Savage Mace is best for damage.
Scout Has a crit already and has an ability which grants insanely fast attack speed, therefore Savage Mace is best.
Predator's Carnivorous deals more damage if you have higher attack speed because you get in more Carnivorous procs, therefore you want attack speed scaling damage, which meeeeeans Savage Mace.

TL;DR = If your hero scales with attack speed more so than attack damage get savage mace.

Example:

I deal 10,000 damage auto attacks but I attack 1 time every minute= Get Riftshards

I deal 1 damage auto attacks but attack 10,000 times a minute= Get Savage Mace

You now realize that the spikes on savage mace look a little bit too rounded, and that the item would look ten times more badass with sharper looking longer spikes.

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_BehemothsHeart.jpg

TONS of survivability.

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This can be picked up if your team collectively has a learning disability and you have 4-5 melee heroes in your lineup. With Insanitarius you have a lot of nice base damage and Abyssal Skull will increase your damage even more because of that so its nice. More lifesteal is always cool too.

It's the skull of an insect or something, just look at the fangs!!!!

a_cloth I read all of your info on items, but you left too much discretion in what I can Purchase. I am too feeble to guess what items are needed, and must be told exactly what to get!!!!

steamboots -> Instanitarious -> Sheildbreaker -> Daemonic breastplate -> Savage mace -> Heart


WHAT DO I DO IN A TEAM FIGHT?
1. Locate squishiest target.
2. Leap. (Cooldown may apply)
3. Use Ult. (Cooldown may apply)
4. Activate Insanitarius.
5. Stab.
6. If he dies, go to step 7.
7. Go to step 1. If there are no enemies left, go to step 8
8. Deactivate Insanitarius.


**ACTUAL EXPERIENCE MAY VARY

You might have to use Elder Parasite/Shrunken Head/Symbol of Rage/Stone Hide somewhere in the middle of all that depending on the circumstances.

Congratulations, you now understand WTF you're supposed to do and why you do it.

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How to deal with Panda
Panda haaaaaaaaard counters you, he has 4 abilities that go through magic immunity and shut you DOWN. I'm sorry i can't tell you how to counter panda (Because you can't) but I've organized a step-by-step process of what you can do during the 12 seconds you're disabled by him.

1. Grab nearest sharp object
2. Cut off penis
3. Throw keyboard into monitor out of rage because of the pain.
4. Slide out of chair into fetal position underneath your desk/table
5. Scream "ARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIES" at the top of your lungs and ask to trade your soul in return for killing panda. Show him your amputated penis as proof of your willingness and as an offering. If your lucky the God of War will descend from the heavens and he will kill Panda for you instantly and force you to be his servant until eventually when he makes you accidentally kill your whole family. This will then be followed by a long quest to kill him eventually leading to you becoming the new God of War and being part of a video game franchise that will stretch out to 3 series eventually becoming a PS3 exclusive after which you will rage because no one buys PS3 and you really wanna play it.




** NOTE: This strategy only has a 50% chance of working and generally isn't worth it.

On a serious note, if you're the one who has to to buy Hellflower for your team or you think you need a Void Talisman to counter the enemy Panda then I'm sorry buddy, you've lost that game.

I NEED REPLAYS!!!!

Take a look at the item/skill builds of some of the top HoN players.

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=17950103 (This replay proves that items are only a small factor in how your game goes. How you use your hero is much more important.)

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=17581997

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=18312986

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=17377076

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=15010836

Tthis should prove that some items are more valued over others in different situations/playstyle.



WTF Cloth!!! I followed your guide word for word flawlessly and we still lost?!?!!?!?!

Blame your teammates.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f7/Trool.gif



If you have any other questions about Predator or anything about HoN in general you can PM or whisper me in game. I'm usually pretty good about replying promptly.

In Game Names:
a_cloth
a_shovel

[Fritsc]

[/SIZE]WHAT DO I DO IN A TEAM FIGHT?[/SIZE]
1. Locate squishiest target.
2. Leap.
3. Use Ult.
4. Activate Insanitarious.
5. Stab.
6. If he dies, go to step 7.
7. Go to step 1. if there are no enemies left, go to step 8
8. Deactivate Insanitarious.




Did you forget to include steps to use stone hide?

[a_cloth]

Did you forget to include steps to use stone hide?

goood catch sir!

[Ghidoran]

Premium.

[BlazingEagle]

Awesome :D

[noodle0117]

I actually had a good time reading this guide.

[kaalimato]

I always get max life steal and leap, then go forest from lane, if they have many stunners/disablers I buy shrunken, if not, I buy shield breaker instead of shrunken.

I usually have steamboots, shrunken/shield breaker, and elder parasite, for attack speed.

After I have steamboots and elder parasite I go kill ppl.


COUNTER FOR PANDA: Void talisman, if he's being mega annoying. If he sucks, don't waste 1,5k.

[a_cloth]

I always get max life steal and leap, then go forest from lane, if they have many stunners/disablers I buy shrunken, if not, I buy shield breaker instead of shrunken.

I usually have steamboots, shrunken/shield breaker, and elder parasite, for attack speed.

After I have steamboots and elder parasite I go kill ppl.


COUNTER FOR PANDA: Void talisman, if he's being mega annoying. If he sucks, don't waste 1,5k.

Sheild Breaker isnt an option

[kaalimato]

yeah but I meant I buy BKB first if they have many disablers, if not then shield breaker straight.

[sHoWTiMe]

This was awesome.

Edit: *IS*

[Moreilator]

LOL ok first time ive seen a ZRK quote in hon. i got scrims recorded with that kid flipping out. OP if you dont know who zrk is then dont use doesnt afraid of anything.

[Alsn]

Entertaining and to the point, I thank you good sir.

[Comma]

Nice attempt at copying a quality Skeleton King guide.

Had a chuckle though.

[nobozumic]

brilliant guide! best guide ever written by man!

make more guides cloth youre the guide man

[Moreilator]

LOL i found it...

http://www.freewebs.com/perplexitylol/

[jay`t]

premium

especially enjoyed the misuse of 'your' throughout the guide

[etspaceman]

Solid guide, read and strategy. Would be nice to see a skill build in there, as well as a description of the ult.

Also... if you are jungling, Alchemist Bones are pretty amazing on Predator... gives you attack speed and huge farming capability.

[Killda]

Solid guide, read and strategy. Would be nice to see a skill build in there, as well as a description of the ult.

Also... if you are jungling, Alchemist Bones are pretty amazing on Predator... gives you attack speed and huge farming capability.
Agreed, I also go alch bones on pred.

[Envor]

I wonder if void talisman can counter PANDA

[akitoes]

I cannot read your post before correcting this mistake.


I think predator is a pretty cool guy. eh steals your life and doesn't afraid of anything.

Now I can read, will comment later

EDIT :This is an awful guide. You need full caps.

[HONYoda]

ROFL OP. 11/10. You are like Neil Cumpston. LOL.

FYI Shieldbreaker and Sange&Yasha don't stack. You gotz ta pick one.

If you want to become a true initiator tank, unstoppable wrecking machine, you can get shieldbreaker, lifesteal (whispering Helm type stuff), and that other lifesteal aura, armor, mana regen thingy.

[BrockSamson]

Did you write a Skele King guide 1-2 years back?

[akitoes]

Not the same style, pretty obvious.

[GrizmoBlust]

I laughed and did enjoy reading this.

+1

[GGreenBass]

I read this out loud. I was laughing the whole goddamn time.

[Drakie]

I think I even learned something out of this one! awesome <3

[Huysman]

meh.

[ImWithStupi1]

Lovely guide xD Love the manner in which its written!

[LikeABoss]

Not bad. Well written with "casual" speak. But maybe you can be serious on some areas so it doesn't seem so childish? Overall I did learn from it and it was helpful so + on that. Oh and this is just me but some of your spelling and grammar just made me twitch a little. No biggy though maybe it's just me lol. Good guild overall. I give it a + with a little criticism =)

[laserblade]

Actually, Hellflower is viable to counter Panda if you're really desperate. Then again, I don't 5 seconds isn't enough to rip out the rice he has eaten.

[a_cloth]

Actually, Hellflower is viable to counter Panda if you're really desperate. Then again, I don't 5 seconds isn't enough to rip out the rice he has eaten.

if you have to buy hellflower or void taliman to counter panda then i'm sorry you lost that game.

[Zenekis]

Best friggin Pred guide, ever. Epicest epicer of the epic.

[Eserem]

Obviously nowhere near as good as its origin, but quite funny nonetheless.

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=258717
Now THAT'S a great guide!

[a_cloth]

Obviously nowhere near as good as its origin, but quite funny nonetheless.

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=258717
Now THAT'S a great guide!

No one will ever be at crimson's status no matter how hard they try

[PoopsDeath]

I actually had a good time reading this guide.

*fapfapfap*

I bet you did.

[Masog]

best pred guide.

[Von_Moltke]

Easily the best Predator guide, and not because it was comical. The actual information contained within is good. All I would add is Power Supply to the core items.

[JoeStalin]

i played a game against you once

you went panda and my team was pretty much raped by you

anally

good kid

[Bobdoyle]

if you have to buy hellflower or void taliman to counter panda then i'm sorry you lost that game.


On Pred yeh but nothing wrong with another hero buying either

[Bobdoyle]

Easily the best Predator guide, and not because it was comical. The actual information contained within is good. All I would add is Power Supply to the core items.

I'd have to disagree and say add Bottle nothing against Power Supply though

and maybe add Runed Axe as an optional (its ok for pubs at best) and Alchemist Bones

[Tryptophan]

Great read. Premium this sh?t.

I'd have to disagree and say add Bottle nothing against Power Supply though

and maybe add Runed Axe as an optional (its ok for pubs at best) and Alchemist Bones

Power supply is much better than bottle for non gank heavy heroes.

Bottle's greatest power is its power to be refilled at runes, but pred shouldn't take the runes from actual rune dependant heroes like succ or thunderbringer.

Powersupply is instant regen. You wont be spamming your spells to harass, so you just need the burst after the fight to try to leap that fleeing enemy, or burst to save yourself. Can't burst too well w/ bottle if you lept in.


ALL CAPS SKELETON KING GUIDE FTW.

[a_cloth]

On Pred yeh but nothing wrong with another hero buying either

ya but in my guide im saying YOU specifically as predator can not counter panda yourself

[a_cloth]

Power supply is much better than bottle for non gank heavy heroes.

Bottle's greatest power is its power to be refilled at runes, but pred shouldn't take the runes from actual rune dependant heroes like succ or thunderbringer.

Powersupply is instant regen. You wont be spamming your spells to harass, so you just need the burst after the fight to try to leap that fleeing enemy, or burst to save yourself. Can't burst too well w/ bottle if you lept in.


ALL CAPS SKELETON KING GUIDE FTW.

I didnt include power supply because i get it on every hero reguardless so i shouldnt have to say it

I didnt include power supply because i get it on every hero reguardless so i shouldnt have to say it

No worries.. was responding to the guy who said bottle is better on pred than power supply.

[RogerDodger]

Totem, totem, totem, Hachet, 6x runes.

mana battery
booots
steamboots
insanitarius

[Chosenary]

This was great. Strictly to point. I approve.

[Master_Pain]

Awesome.

Thou i do wander how on earth did OP forget to add portal key and radiance, i don't think there is a single guide on these forums without it (yes even on polywog u HAFSTA HAZ RADI... ./facepalm). That's the only flaw :)

Awesome.

Thou i do wander how on earth did OP forget to add portal key and radiance, i don't think there is a single guide on these forums without it (yes even on polywog u HAFSTA HAZ RADI... ./facepalm). That's the only flaw :)

Portal key/blinkdagger was more widely used on n'aix in dota because he didn't have a blinkstrike.

I think it was used to just get close to the person and optimize the slow from open wounds, or it was used as a finisher in conjunction w/ open wounds... at least that's how it was in the replays i've watched where na'ix is actually used.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.... but I think Pred doesn't need a portal key. 2k goes better towards insanitarius/bkb/shieldbreaker.

[akitoes]

He was just trolling around I guess

[crazysheep]

The Greek god of war is Ares.



Otherwise pretty cool guide.

[US]

This guide is the win and needs to be premium.

[akitoes]

caps

TRY TO COPY CRIMSONQUESO'S GUIDE
GET YOUR DICK SUCKED

good guide is good tho

BUT NO ALCHEMIST BONE ? WTF

[Zerg]

dude, you're a genius

[a_cloth]

dude, you're a genius
yay!

[akitoes]

the **** did you lay that down_
STILL NO ALCHEMIST BONE

[a_cloth]

the **** did you lay that down_
STILL NO ALCHEMIST BONE
getting some opinions from my higher tier friends, So far it might be viable because of the new creeps that were introduced can give you 320 gold when transmuted, but its always a risk and its only worth going for if you got amazing farm/kills in your lane

[akitoes]

getting some opinions from my higher tier friends, So far it might be viable because of the new creeps that were introduced can give you 320 gold when transmuted, but its always a risk and its only worth going for if you got amazing farm/kills in your lane
**** caps protection
YOU HAVE TO JUNGLE FOR A GOOD 20 MIN ANYWAY
CAN BE WORTH IT IN MOST GAMES

[akitoes]

delete

[Annearekey]

Just to add to the awesomeness that is this thread. I know a_cloth irl. he typed this entire guide with both index fingers.

[ImWithStupi1]

He was just trolling around I guess

He was sarcastic and was making fun of most other guides that recommend portal key/mock :D

[a_cloth]

He was sarcastic and was making fun of most other guides that recommend portal key/mock :D
Portal key/mock is just lulz not really viable and yes portal key is retarded you have a blink already

[Bobdoyle]

No worries.. was responding to the guy who said bottle is better on pred than power supply.

i didnt say it was better I just prefer Bottle over Power Suplly especially vs a team without heavy nukes

[Darkalbino_]

best guide ever, love it

[Apostate]

Premium. I fell down at the penis amputation part.

[iGame1]

I don't like this guide

[FlamePhoenix]

You say pred benefits from Attack speed more than ever. Do you think getting Wingbow for pred is a good choice? I've seen it recommended in tutorials.
And Brutalizer ? Magebane rocks with it, will pred rock too?

[Aeturnum]

Best guide ever. I wish they were all written like this.

[a_cloth]

You say pred benefits from Attack speed more than ever. Do you think getting Wingbow for pred is a good choice? I've seen it recommended in tutorials.
And Brutalizer ? Magebane rocks with it, will pred rock too?

Brutalizer is pretty much never viable, your disables are suppose to well.....disable

wingbow isnt a better choice than any item i recommend in my guide, another w ay to look at it is you would be better off with having 2 daemonic breastplates than wingbow

[Drasha]

why is this in general instead of the guide section?

[a_cloth]

why is this in general instead of the guide section?
That sir is an amazing question, but mainly because this isnt really a guide and i'll never put enough effort into it for the MODS to consider it premium so whatev

[Drasha]

it should still be moved to the guide section right now its cluttering up general

[a_cloth]

it should still be moved to the guide section right now its cluttering up general
el oh el at butthurts who are sad that their little thread has less room

[Vesper25]

Good thing you didn't recommend Elder Parasite.

[MetaBrain]

Best Topic ever.

[Varmint]

this is the only guide ive ever read through word by word because it was so entertaining and precise

[Ernie888]

WTF Cloth!!! I followed your guide word for word flawlessly and we still lost?!?!!?!?!

Blame your teammates.





http://i48.tinypic.com/30simvm.jpg

[Ian_Beale]

I'm not going to ask a question because OP is very arrogant but makes good guides.

[a_cloth]

I'm not going to ask a question because OP is very arrogant but makes good guides.
ill be gentle babe

[Kcolraw]

PREMIUM THISSHIT ASAP

all the other pred guides are so useless lol not including insanitarius and saying bkb sucks etc, lol****ing retards, AAA I LOVE THIS GUIDE so straight up and to the point, and 100% correct

[jay`t]

Just to add to the awesomeness that is this thread. I know a_cloth irl. he typed this entire guide with both index fingers.


omg

almost wept when i read this and saw your signature

premium

[a_cloth]

omg

almost wept when i read this and saw your signature

premium

typing with 2 fingers is how real men do it

[Kcolraw]

laugh so hard at people that don't take this guide seriously and think a_cloth is "trolling"

when everything is 100% correct

[Mellow]

Surprisingly this is not only the best guide for predator out there, it's also a lot of fun to read and gets rid of stupid noob things

[Kcolraw]

it's so straight up

i love how all the other guides buffer their **** with useless info and fancy pictures etc

who gives a **** about that ****

[Evozer]

This guide is awesome

[Time]

Best guide ever

[PysKo]

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Immunity.jpg

BUT I HAVE MAGIC IMMUNITY LOL FUKIN SCRUB

YA MAN TEAM FIGHTS HAVE NEVER LASTED OVER 5.25 SECONDS.

Some teams are heavily disable related therefore if your stuck initiating cause your team has a learning disability then 5.25 seconds might not cut it. Shrunken head gives us health and more damage while giving us a chance for [SIZE=5]20[SIZE=2] seconds of magic immunity. So ya you just went from having 5 seconds of immunity in team fights to 20 seconds. Now tell me this item isn't viable when your paying the same price for 15 seconds of immunity as a hero would pay for ten seconds.





























Actually they do last 3 seconds nowadays ( even less if ult is used )

[Xitras]

Not original, 1/10.

[a_cloth]

Actually they do last 3 seconds nowadays ( even less if ult is used )

If you genocide a team in 3 seconds, then there doin it wrong

[GrizmoBlust]

It's they're, not there.

Again, fantastic guide.

[a_cloth]

It's they're, not there.

Again, fantastic guide.
too lazy

[Kcolraw]

cloth

[a_cloth]

cloth
kcolraw

[archon_]

Epic read.

[theevilsanta]

"You might notice that you have 1 fast scary looking mother fuker now"

pretty hilarious guide

[Kcolraw]

how is this still in strategy section lol

[Xanindorf]

I'm sorry, I haven't read all five pages of this yet, but a lot of this is shamelessly stolen from CrimsonQueso's DotA guide for playing Skeleton King, who is the hero Predator is based upon. Here's a link to the guide, although you'll need a DA-forums account to be able to view it.

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=258717


For example, this is from your guide:


Am I playing predator?

yes: Get insanitarious
no: Get insanitarious

BUT I'M TOO NOOB TO ACTIVATE/DEACTIVATE IT
WHAT THE ****, YOU HAVE ONE ACTIVE ITEM YOU DUMB ****.And this is what CrimsonQueso wrote over a year ago:


ITEMS TO GO FOR:
ASK YOURSELF THIS FIRST:
AM I PLAYING LEORIC?
YES: GET AN ARMLET
NO: GET AN ARMLET

BUT I'M TOO NOOB TO ACTIVATE/DEACTIVATE IT
WHAT THE ****, YOU HAVE ONE ACTIVE SKILL YOU DUMB ****.Also, this:

You wrote:

WTF Cloth!!! I followed your guide word for word flawlessly and we still lost?!?!!?!?!

Blame your teammates.CrimsonQueso wrote:


I FOLLOWED YOUR GUIDE AND I DIDN'T WIN!
BLAME YOUR TEAM.
The least you can do when plagiarizing someone else's work is to give credit.

EDIT: There's even more. Notice the part about the boots, and the part about what to do in team fights.

[Aray]

i love this so much

[Xanindorf]

"That was the idea", yeah, really cool to do that and taking credit for the whole thing. Unless you somehow are CrimsonQueso, it's a pretty bad thing to do.

[a_cloth]

I'm sorry, I haven't read all five pages of this yet, but a lot of this is shamelessly stolen from CrimsonQueso's DotA guide for playing Skeleton King, who is the hero Predator is based upon. Here's a link to the guide, although you'll need a DA-forums account to be able to view it.

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=258717


For example, this is from your guide:

And this is what CrimsonQueso wrote over a year ago:

Also, this:

You wrote:
CrimsonQueso wrote:


The least you can do when plagiarizing someone else's work is to give credit.

EDIT: There's even more. Notice the part about the boots, and the part about what to do in team fights.

that was the idea deeeeeeeeeeeeerp

[ElementUser]

BUT I'M TOO NOOB TO ACTIVATE/DEACTIVATE IT
WHAT THE ****, YOU HAVE ONE ACTIVE ITEM YOU DUMB ****.

CrimsonQueso King Leoric guide ripoff detected :O

[Voulture]

Best guide.

[Unyazi]

u do realise that none of the players in ur replays of awesome builds won right?

[a_cloth]

u do realise that none of the players in ur replays of awesome builds won right?

First thing to understand is that predator is a terrrrrrrible pick and is in no way useful to your team, but now you know what to do if for some reason your playing him.

hes just not a good pick

[ElementUser]

N'aix > Predator still

But Predator was way better than before his ultimate was changed

[a_cloth]

N'aix > Predator still

But Predator was way better than before his ultimate was changed

I dont know about thaaaaaat, naix's usefulness increased a lot when he had a portal key.

and now predator has a built in portal key. I'm just glad they fixed the ridiculous cooldown they had for his ulti.

[CannotFathom]

Something is telling me that i should get insanitarius. Not sure what it is though. Good guide.

[Gipp]

i think naix is better due to the attack speed from enrage.
open wounds is meh after they nerfed it awhile back.

but his ult, infest, made jungling a breeze and was great for escaping.

to me, predator just feels like he does barely any damage (unless vs str of course)
his jungling feels like its really inefficient and slow

hes ok i guess but i would definitely pick somebody else to carry.

[Talorc]

Best friggin Pred guide, ever. Epicest epicer of the epic.

Sifnt it isnt more epicerest. Had an epicagasm!

[Festilence]

Good guide.

I honestly wish more guides had the tone that this guide has. It would deter idiots from playing heroes that they can **** up for some reason.

[Kcolraw]

there's absolutely nothing wrong with this guide

[a_cloth]

there's absolutely nothing wrong with this guide
<3..

[PROLARBEAR]

Crimsonqueso?

[alliednoob]

good guide, maybe make ur flames glow red?

[XTenebrousX]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:VV9yozUNMXEigM:http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID13320/images/Pandamonium.png

How to deal with Panda
Panda haaaaaaaaard counters you, he has 4 abilities that go through magic immunity and shut you DOWN. I'm sorry i can't tell you how to counter panda (because you can't) but i've organized a step by step process of what you can do during the 12 seconds your disabled by him.

1. Grab nearest sharp object

2. Cut off penis

3. Throw keyboard into monitor out of rage because of the pain.

4. Slide out of chair into fetal position underneath your desk/table

5. Scream "ARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIES" at the top of your lungs and ask to trade your soul in return for killing panda. Show him your amputated penis as proof of your willingness and as an offering. If your lucky the god of war will descend from the heavens and he will kill panda for you instantly and force you to be his servant until eventually when he makes you accidentally your whole family. This will then be followed by a long quest to kill him eventually leading to you being part of a video game franchise that will stretch out to 3 series eventually becoming a PS3 exclusive after which you will rage because no one buys PS3 and you really wanna play it.






I lol'ed...

SO ****ING HARD!

[a_cloth]

Updated with captions to each hon item i mention at the bottom of their explanation

[izzmad]

I actually had a good time reading this guide.

agreed. a bit more touch to the format and this would be a very roundup guide. but in the end its the info which counts, not the cosmetics ;^).


finally a guide which cuts to the important basics. no nonsense proposals and only thorough info with some entertaining elements (gz, they DO have no laces X^o ). and most important: pred declared as a carry, NOT a tank.

gj! :cool:

[a_cloth]

added a lulzy replay i found

[fitsk]

Nerf him. Totaly insane all the time.

[Johnson]

Written in the spirit of this Skeleton King guide [ http://www.scribd.com/doc/11590030/King-Leoric-the-Skeleton-King ]

Still a good read though, i approve of the classic build; Armlet -> Desolator -> Cuirass -> BKB


playing Skeleton King, who is the hero Predator is based upon.

You mean N'aix, the lifestealer, is who Pred is based off of. [ http://www.playdota.com/heroes/lifestealer ]

[maxkhaos]

"That was the idea", yeah, really cool to do that and taking credit for the whole thing. Unless you somehow are CrimsonQueso, it's a pretty bad thing to do.


U are such a girl xP
i lol'ed at u

[GN08_Seravee]

u ppl do know that frostburn and shieldbreaker dont stack
just saying not pointing out that half the world doesnt know about it

[a_cloth]

u ppl do know that frostburn and shieldbreaker dont stack
just saying not pointing out that half the world doesnt know about it

thats why in my guide i said that they dont stack

[Von_Moltke]

Orb switching means you can get both, but honestly, the Shieldbreaker/Cuirass combo is the best.

[Rsalas670]

this was help and entertaining at the same time
lol

[fitsk]

Its enought with some boots and a vanguard to him, then he can tank towers, kill the whole team thanks to his lifesteal and stone hide.

Like i said before, nerf him.

[a_cloth]

Its enought with some boots and a vanguard to him, then he can tank towers, kill the whole team thanks to his lifesteal and stone hide.

Like i said before, nerf him.

hes not a tank! stop it!

did you even read the guide

[alliednoob]

You now realize all HON boots have no laces.

You also realize insanitarious is a face with its tongue sticking out

You now realize eldar parasite has a curly french mustache.

You now realize the picture of shield breaker is actually a picture of shield breaker being shoved up a mans intestines.

O you also now realize daemonic breastplate has a scary face on the front of it

You thought I was going to say something interesting about the shrunken head picture.

I got nothin

You now realize that the spikes on savage mace look a little bit too rounded, and that the item would look ten times more bada@@ with sharper looking longer spikes.

No your heart does not contain yellow/gold veins


Its the skull of an insect or something, just look at the fangs!!!!


**ACTUAL EXPERIENCE MAY VARY


5. Scream "ARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIES" at the top of your lungs and ask to trade your soul in return for killing panda. Show him your amputated penis as proof of your willingness and as an offering. If your lucky the god of war will descend from the heavens and he will kill panda for you instantly and force you to be his servant until eventually when he makes you accidentally your whole family. This will then be followed by a long quest to kill him eventually leading to you becoming the new god of war and being part of a video game franchise that will stretch out to 3 series eventually becoming a PS3 exclusive after which you will rage because no one buys PS3 and you really wanna play it.




** NOTE: This strategy only has a 50% chance of working and generally isn't worth it.



everything in that quote is win.

[a_cloth]

updated with some info on starting items

This is what you need when your laning

Nukers focused on harassing (such as Pyromancer, thunderbringer, valkarie and other aggressive laners that use magic damage) = Buy as much health regen and mana regen that you think you will need in lane. Then with the rest of your money you want to buy items that will increase your damage when you harass and increase your chance to last hit/deny.

Heroes that won't need mana regen in lane and focus on farm (such as Chronos, Predator, magebane) = Buy as much health regen as you need then buy items to last hit with. On heroes like predator, bloodhunter, zephry that have a way to heal in lane you can sacrifice some health regen for increased last hit damage. An example would be 3 runes of blight instead of 6.

Heroes that may need mana regen but need to prioritize farm (such as madman, puppetmaster, panda, Behemoth) = Buy mana regen and health regen but remember you need to able to last hit.

Heroes that need to babysit the lane ( Hellbringer, soul reaper, demented shaman) = First off either buy a courier or wards depending on who is getting what. Then get the mana regen you need and health regen, most babysit heroes are built with some sort of heal so they can sacrifice some health regen to buy more mana regen and really support the lane. Finish off build with some damage to last hit.



tell me if its useful

[Kcolraw]

nothing wrong but tbh should jungle with this hero unless team mates are noobs and don't have 2 viable solo heroes

[a_cloth]

nothing wrong but tbh should jungle with this hero unless team mates are noobs and don't have 2 viable solo heroes

This hero is a bad and inefficient jungler. 99 times out of a 100 laning is better

[CoolCly]

So like.... was this a joke?

I mean you say Predator is useless until Insanitarious.... He's always very strong, even early game without items >_>

[a_cloth]

So like.... was this a joke?

I mean you say Predator is useless until Insanitarious.... He's always very strong, even early game without items >_>

Predator is pretty bad all game actually. Once you get insanitarious though your dps and survivability is pretty much doubled. There's almost always a better hero to pick though, especially with all the "superior magic" bull shiit thats going on his immunity is almost worthless to be honest.

And if the other team has a succubus or panda whos at your skill level then the game is pretty much 4v5 right off the bat

[valiance]

reminds me of this: http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=258717

[Bearsmith]

On Frostburn


First thing to note is that the slow wont stack with -armor of shield breaker.

It does, you just need to juggle the modifiers. Although honestly I don't think that makes it any better

[a_cloth]

On Frostburn



It does, you just need to juggle the modifiers. Although honestly I don't think that makes it any better

its not practical in a real game which is why even the 1900+ dont do it

[MotleyFOOL]

What, so Predator sucks?

And he shouldn't jungle?

****.

[a_cloth]

What, so Predator sucks?

And he shouldn't jungle?

****.

He doesnt farm fast enough to be a good jungler. You CAN jungle though.

:mage::fors::pest::chro::pupp:

Those are just a few examples of heroes that you would pick over predator if you want to carry.

[MotleyFOOL]

Thanks for the reply.

I've been wanting to try out a new hero after getting a good handle on Accursed, Jeraziah and Demented Shaman, and was looking for something more offensively oriented. I chose Predator because I think his leap is pretty awesome, aesthetically speaking.

Why would you choose Predator? Obviously you wouldn't pick as hard carry, so when would you pick him?

Another Question: I was laning with Magebane as Predator in the top lane on Hellborne against Plague Rider and Behemoth. My laning partner was getting mad at me because I wasn't using my Venomous Leap to harass them. I figured that would be a pretty stupid stunt, considering Plague has a snare and Behemoth has a really generously ranged stun -- I figured I'd come out with less mana and beaten and bruised while barely even scratching them, which isn't effective harassment. Eventually I just opted to jungle because it was a tough lane for me. What should I have done? Was my lane partner right, or was I right to not directly engage this combo of heroes?

Also, I should only jungle when I run into a particularly tough lane, correct? And I shouldn't grab the buckler unless I'm jungling, correct?

[a_cloth]

Thanks for the reply.

I've been wanting to try out a new hero after getting a good handle on Accursed, Jeraziah and Demented Shaman, and was looking for something more offensively oriented. I chose Predator because I think his leap is pretty awesome, aesthetically speaking.

Why would you choose Predator? Obviously you wouldn't pick as hard carry, so when would you pick him?

Another Question: I was laning with Magebane as Predator in the top lane on Hellborne against Plague Rider and Behemoth. My laning partner was getting mad at me because I wasn't using my Venomous Leap to harass them. I figured that would be a pretty stupid stunt, considering Plague has a snare and Behemoth has a really generously ranged stun -- I figured I'd come out with less mana and beaten and bruised while barely even scratching them, which isn't effective harassment. Eventually I just opted to jungle because it was a tough lane for me. What should I have done? Was my lane partner right, or was I right to not directly engage this combo of heroes?

Also, I should only jungle when I run into a particularly tough lane, correct? And I shouldn't grab the buckler unless I'm jungling, correct?


hmm lets see. Well first off in any real game you wouldn't have a double melee lane, so you should have 3 ranged or 2 ranged if you have a melee mid solo. So ideally this situation would never happen, but anyways in that situation since both of you probably couldnt farm/harass/deny at all. You should have just jungled so one of you could make some money. Also by leaving the lane you let magebane get solo exp while you get solo exp. So yes I think that was the best decision, however if you both waited till 3 you both probably could have blinked on behemoth while magebane ruins his early game mana while you stone hide to avoid his stun or plagues nukes. If you could do this twice you could easily destroy behemoths mana pool and start dominating the lane and kill plagues mana pool. If your teamates a noob though and thats not happening just go jungle so your not leeching exp while both of you are not getting any farm. If you jungle your getting farm and your both getting solo exp.

I would probably jungle 100% of the time if my only other choice was a double melee lane, but as I said before this should never happen but it does because people make bad picks.

I would pick predator if for some reason the other team failed to pick any heroes with superior magic disables. This means your invincible in team fights and can make for a fun game. Hes also good against high health pool heroes. He also works well vs lich to cancel out his armor buff. However he should be picked based on what ur team gets or is getting. He works best with physical damage based teams.

:pupp::pred::deme::pand::wild:

That team would get the job done.


Sorry if I repeated myself on this I wrote it over 20 minutes talking with friends here in my dorm lol

[MotleyFOOL]

No need to be sorry, it helped. :) I'm not entirely sure who has a superior magic disable so while that sounds like some pretty sound advice I don't think I'll be able to put it to much use. :P

Why does he work best with physical damage based teams? What does it matter what sort of damage type the rest of your team is dealing to Predator?

[a_cloth]

No need to be sorry, it helped. :) I'm not entirely sure who has a superior magic disable so while that sounds like some pretty sound advice I don't think I'll be able to put it to much use. :P

Why does he work best with physical damage based teams? What does it matter what sort of damage type the rest of your team is dealing to Predator?

hes reduces armor greatly, so obviously other heroes that deal physical damage will benefit most from this

[MotleyFOOL]

Oh, dur, terror, right.

[a_cloth]

Oh, dur, terror, right.
Well ya that, and don't forget the possible sheild breaker daemonic breast plate too

[Egghaus]

This guide is legendary.

Thanks /b/ro, helped a lot.

[Aray]

i want to be ur friend

[Chaser]

You made this guide fun to read. Love the anti panda advice, ill keep it in mind.

[TKDSUSDK]

its not practical in a real game which is why even the 1900+ dont do it
http://honcast.com/2010/01/x6-tournament-round-3-shh-vs-cgf-game-1/

I think it's kinda funny that most of the **** you say, i.e. predator sucks, other carries are better, panda makes it a 4v5, succubus makes it a 4v5, is only relevant at much higher levels of skill than are normally seen in the games the people reading this will be seeing. And succubus will be out of the fight while she holds you, for 0 damage, so that doesn't even matter, and that's in a super perfect ideal situation (that it will be come a "4v5" off the bat, which doesn't make sense anyways because if someone is countering you it's a 4v4 not a 4v5). It's not like panda automatically beats you, either. So he'll save his ultimate for you, so you wait. Sure, sometimes you'll get ****ed. It's not a guarantee that he beats you; only in a 1v1 situation when he has everything off cd is he guaranteed to beat you.

You advocate stacking armor because when you're magic immune, only physical **** hits you. Uhhhh Panda is physical too. Stacking armor works on him. It's just straight stupid to be so black and white about it being "over."

[siggies]

epic guide

[_Archangel_]

Epic spelling and grammar cleanup, PM me if you don't like it and I'll change it back. Excellent guide, but the poor grammar hurt my eyes too much

[a_cloth]

Epic spelling and grammar cleanup, PM me if you don't like it and I'll change it back. Excellent guide, but the poor grammar hurt my eyes too much
lol Thanks man, I actually like it better now too XD

[a_cloth]

bump for god of war 3

[RadicalEdwrd]

Insanitarius first, or Elder Parasite first? Steamboots before either of the aforementioned, or should I only purchase marchers, complete Elder Parasite/Insan and THEN finish boots?

Thanks.

[a_cloth]

Insanitarius first, or Elder Parasite first? Steamboots before either of the aforementioned, or should I only purchase marchers, complete Elder Parasite/Insan and THEN finish boots?

Thanks.

If your going to get eldar I would go insanitarious first. I would say rush insanitarious then finish your boots, theeeen get eldar. You can delay getting eldar as much as you want.

[RadicalEdwrd]

AHA! You said EldAr! You've been infected by the 40k virus. ;P

(thanks for the reply)

[a_cloth]

AHA! You said EldAr! You've been infected by the 40k virus. ;P

(thanks for the reply)


:P just remember lifesteal is ALWAYS a luxury (except for whispering helm ancient stacking) never get lifesteal as your first second or even third item. Thats the number one mistake i see pub carrys make.

[KADOONK]

stonehide, leap, ulti, parasite, faceroll and watch your hero chase down the helpless intell heroes

[Nuf]

No counter to Panda? You know this thing in Relics, VOID TALISMAN? It counters.

[a_cloth]

No counter to Panda? You know this thing in Relics, VOID TALISMAN? It counters.

and what happens while you have void talisman on? o ya they run next to you for 5 sec till it wears off orrrrrrr they ignore you and kill your teammates instead, but you can't do anything because your damage is physical -.-

[Nuf]

and what happens while you have void talisman on? o ya they run next to you for 5 sec till it wears off

So that's not a counter????? You have teammates, don't you?

[a_cloth]

So that's not a counter????? You have teammates, don't you?

and what do your teammates do when you use your void talisman? O ya they get devastated because you just turned the fight into a 4v5

[MintPanda1]

I daresay this is more entertaining than crimsonqueso's guide. Based on my strongly male sense of humour it definitely is.

Definitely the way to play pred, though I don't play him often because he seems to me like a very situational pick.

[dearjohn]

the idea of using a void talisman on predator is ****ing hilarious. would seriously own to watch a predator stand there while his team gets massacred around him and his fur starts getting wet from the tears as he does his 200dmg nuke and then sits there waiting

[Blessed_]

the idea of using a void talisman on predator is ****ing hilarious. would seriously own to watch a predator stand there while his team gets massacred around him and his fur starts getting wet from the tears as he does his 200dmg nuke and then sits there waiting

24398314.

[dearjohn]

so you uh... you sure did link me a replay where the predator did NOT build a void talisman.

[a_cloth]

the idea of using a void talisman on predator is ****ing hilarious. would seriously own to watch a predator stand there while his team gets massacred around him and his fur starts getting wet from the tears as he does his 200dmg nuke and then sits there waiting
Its kinda stupid to even bring up the topic, cause in any remotely serious game a panda vs. predator situation will never happen.

This scenario only really matters for pubbers

[AnteUp]

Premium **** right here.

[omfgfox]

lol this guy is ****in awesome.
had the most enjoyable time reading this goodness!!

[KissBlade]

The info's good in this guide but honestly I should say, the author REALLY needs to give credit to where he borrowed some (most...) of the jokes from. Honestly plagiarism of these things might seem relatively minor cause it's the net and all but it's still lame when it happens.

[Recrab]

At the OP:

If you have a decent enough team that can handle you Jungling for 15 minutes is there any reason to get Insan before Elder Parasite?

[a_cloth]

At the OP:

If you have a decent enough team that can handle you Jungling for 15 minutes is there any reason to get Insan before Elder Parasite?

insanitarious farming power > elder farming power

premium **** *****es ****

[deusex2]

A little question on Predator's end game items:

Is charged hammer a good substitute to abyssal skull? Assuming one have enough gold to aford one?

[a_cloth]

A little question on Predator's end game items:

Is charged hammer a good substitute to abyssal skull? Assuming one have enough gold to aford one?

the problem is that charged hammer is magic dps where as savage mace is physical dps

and I already explained why physical dps scales with predator quite nicely

steamboots -> Instanitarious -> Sheildbreaker -> Daemonic breastplate -> Savage mace -> Symbol of rage/ Heart

[deusex2]

I see, thanks.
I didn't knew it changed hero's attack from melee to magic. Too bad though, 70 attack speed is pretty damn nice bonus.

[KaneTerry]

great guide, but people will get pissed at the poor language skills in the guide.

[Locust]

I feel like I just read a guide authored by /b/.

[DemoniWaari]

Aww no more Whispering Help + Shield Breaker build :(. Too bad.

[a_cloth]

I see, thanks.
I didn't knew it changed hero's attack from melee to magic. Too bad though, 70 attack speed is pretty damn nice bonus.
it doesnt change it to magic its just that the dps from charged hammer is in its chain lightning procs (magic damage)

[a_cloth]

guide updated. (mostly items removed due to orb effect changes this patch

[Skorppa]

Fk, i forgot my pizza in the oven cause of this. Nice guide!

[`Smite]

This helped me a lot. Nice guide!

[SuperStag]

I somewhat recognise this from http://www.scribd.com/doc/11590030/King-Leoric-the-Skeleton-King . Anyway, sort of works, will try it out now.
EDIT: sooo, I tried it out in both 2v2 and 5v5 and the enemy team surrendered at 15:06 and 15:41, me ending up with 4-1-8 and 12-0-1. WIN. The opponents were a bit reckless in the 5v5 one and my ally was feeding in 2v2...

[SilverStars]

Lol, funniest guide ever. Unfortunately not looking like what the mods want for premium or anything, but still, awesome guide.

I just tried your predator method. Someone dced at the start and it was 4v5. Then someone ragequitted after dying and it was 3v5. And then someone's internet randomly died and it was 2v5. Then I got a solo doublekill. That was funny. Then we ganked another guy. Then the last teammate left and it was 1v5. I rage conceded and quitted.

[a_cloth]

Lol, funniest guide ever. Unfortunately not looking like what the mods want for premium or anything, but still, awesome guide.

I just tried your predator method. Someone dced at the start and it was 4v5. Then someone ragequitted after dying and it was 3v5. And then someone's internet randomly died and it was 2v5. Then I got a solo doublekill. That was funny. Then we ganked another guy. Then the last teammate left and it was 1v5. I rage conceded and quitted.
First thing to remember is that predator is lower mid tier at best. I only made the guide so pubs would stop ****in up

this will never be premium unless people make it pretty and add pictures and all that good shiiit, if anyone wants to do that your more than welcome to steal any of my guides content

[Sphinxz]

Very fun, entertaining and learning read. I thank you sir :)

Sphinxz

[Safda]

Best guide! So funny lol

[a_cloth]

bumping

[Miky]

nice guide. :<

[Hygao]

No alchemist bones?

[n0xxious]

This suspiciously reminds me of a skeleton king guide from dota.....
:eek:

[Duckington]

I approve of this guide.

[Von]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:VV9yozUNMXEigM:http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID13320/images/Pandamonium.png

How to deal with Panda



Made my day

[Hopea`]

best predator guide, and also funniest

[Von_Moltke]

Make this premium please so the other awful Predator guides stop showing up.

Oh yeah and a_cloth add a power supply or manabattery. I can't count the amount of times this has got me that extra kill or made me just survive that nuke that was going to kill me.

[calm]

dont really see pros going insanitarius

[Von_Moltke]

H4nn1 did recently in a tournament match, but I agree, a fast Shieldbreaker seems much better.

[riggsE]

I vote this for premium.

[Kossak]

Best guide ever, thank you.

[Passthechips]

This suspiciously reminds me of a skeleton king guide from dota.....
:eek:


Not as manly.

[robbiek1]

Ask yourself this first:
Am i playing leoric?
Yes: Get an armlet
no: Get an armlet
but i'm too noob to activate/deactivate it
what the ****, you have one active skill you dumb ****.

WHAT DO I DO IN A TEAM FIGHT?
1. LOCATE CLOSEST ENEMY THAT DOES SOMETHING IN THE FIGHT
2. ACTIVATE ARMLET

3. HELLFIRE BLAST HIM.
4. STAB HIM.
5. IF HE IS DEAD, GO TO STEP 6. ELSE, REPEAT 3 AND 4
6. GO TO STEP 1. IF THERE ARE NO ENEMIES LEFT, GO TO STEP 7
7. DEACTIVATE ARMLET

(YOUR ACTUAL EXPERIENCE MAY VARY. YOU MAY NEED TO BKB OR
REINCARNATE SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA)



Am I playing Predator?

Yes: Get Insanitarius
No: Get Insanitarius

BUT I'M TOO NOOB TO ACTIVATE/DEACTIVATE IT
WHAT THE ****, YOU HAVE ONE ACTIVE ITEM YOU DUMB ****.

WHAT DO I DO IN A TEAM FIGHT?
1. Locate squishiest target.
2. Leap. (Cooldown may apply)
3. Use Ult. (Cooldown may apply)
4. Activate Insanitarius.
5. Stab.
6. If he dies, go to step 7.
7. Go to step 1. If there are no enemies left, go to step 8
8. Deactivate Insanitarius.


**ACTUAL EXPERIENCE MAY VARY

You might have to use Elder Parasite/Shrunken Head/Symbol of Rage/Stone Hide somewhere in the middle of all that depending on the circumstances.


Hmm?

Well, everything in the guide is good, just the only problem im facing, is when you leaped at someone, and hes running, when the slow has worn off, he can easily escape? What to do against this?

~Robbie

[SHJordan]

That's a good question. =\ Also, what would be a preferred skillbuild when NO PANDA is detected on enemy team?
1>3>5>7 = LEAP
2> Stone Hide
4>6>8>9 = Carnivorous
10>11>16 = ULT
ELSE = stats?
THEN > 23>24>25 = maxxing stone hide?

[robbiek1]

That's a good question. =\ Also, what would be a preferred skillbuild when NO PANDA is detected on enemy team?
1>3>5>7 = LEAP
2> Stone Hide
4>6>8>9 = Carnivorous
10>11>16 = ULT
ELSE = stats?
THEN > 23>24>25 = maxxing stone hide?

Stone hide DOESNT block panda, but you should always take stone hide, because its still a magic immunity!

~Robbie

[sharpcat]

People who max Carnivorous over Stone Hide are ****ed up. You take one level of Carnivorous and then max Leap/Stonehide FFS.

[GregerMoek]

Does remind me of a guide for Skeleton King in DotA. However with less caps :warb: :cheese:

Anyways YOU DIDNT TELL ME WHEN TO KILL KONGOR YOU ****

Good guide :P
Not too many pictures (which is good) of showing how you can leap from every damn spot and such things with I see in many other guides for heroes with similar skills. I also didn't know carnivorus was physical damage I thought it was pure % of current hp. Now I feel stupid for even believing so :P

About countering Panda, stone hide does give shitloads of armor so activating it is still not completely stupid, I guess. Do I recieve hate?

[misterrunon]

so, i have a friend who is really bad (at this game, and pred.. but somehow his psr is 1500+.. watch his game as pred http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=13160415

he thinks he knows how to play pred better than i do (i follow this guide... shield/axe/runes to start, steamboots, insanitarious, shieldbreaker, daemonic bp, and behemoth's heart).

so his method of playing is.. he starts off with 2 pieces for chalice and runes or pot. then he finishes the chalice, and jungles a bit at 3. he pretty much uses his charge on the forest creeps, since he has a chalice. without a shield/axe or fast melee, he isn't healing himself all that much either. not efficient at all. then he goes for a savage mace.

someone please tell him he's a dumbass noob who doesnt know how to play pred. i seriously think psr's broken since his is so high (just watch him play and you'll see). it seems like every game he is being carried by teammates.

[NubbyMcNub]

< bump because it took me 20 mins to find the damn thing >

[Dgenerate`]

People who get EP and phase boots on Predator make me laugh.

[MoonCraft]

pretty good read, gonna try it out tonight. And to the guys bashing him about the SK guide, who gives a rats ass.

[Joester818]

I actually had a good time reading this guide.

Best guide ever.

[BRAINDOGS]

I prefer :HackNSlash: (frostburn) over :Shieldbreaker: for my attack modifier for 3 reasons.

1. If you have :Steamboots: your leap will only keep them close for so long, if they have :EnhancedMarchers: or :PostHaste: they will be gone once your slow wears off. If you don't want to blow your ult for killing that silly hero who is all by himself frostburn will keep him from escaping. + move to you - move to them = you win

2. frostburn = faster attack speed = more synergy with carnivorous. Granted it's not a lot, but every little bit helps.

3. frostburn = more survivability. Not only do you have more hp, but you have an extra 14% move-speed, if your team-fight is looking bad, or you can only solo 2 of them, you just pop stone hide and run out of there.

I haven't seen anything out there for pred, I think it's in a Scout guide, but I know there is a chart displaying how :HarkonsBlade: out scales :Shieldbreaker: against people with high armor. HOWEVER, I have not tried a :HarkonsBlade:, maybe I will put that on the to do list.

Here is a lost of all 3 times I have played pred since the last global stat reset:

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=15570572

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=15132304

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=13404209

[flap]

premiumz

[Bocoh]

Nice guide, helped me a lot.
Thanks.

[WilllSmith]

I don't know..

Everytime I get steamboots, insanitarius and shieldbreaker can start 3 hitting people to death, if I have a breastplate on top of that pretty much a GG guaranteed...

[jay`t]

ive played him twice recently without getting insanitarius

gonna get it next time i play him

[RuRetard]

i learned alot, thx

[llucariny]

Great Guide! I used to make elder parasite and ignore insanitarius, now I use it all the time and I see that I'm doing a lot better.

[`BlueBeard`]

not what other guides *haven't mentioned, the replay sections makes op look like a Troll.

btw no one used predator in top match ups, LOL

[PapaLion]

OP is wrong. I bought a PS3 and do not regret it. PS3 > The-microsoft-trash-device-that-has-got-no-blu-ray-drive-and-never-will-have-one.

srsly, if u get steamboots and no frostburn, you will be way too slow for anything, even with ult on. Despite of this, it's an informative and entertaining guide.

[Argis]

Nice thread, although a bit anoying with all that childish like stuff.. like the one with the panda, omg, otherwise good

[Kartalov]

Awesome 9/10 ( because you have some things copied )

[DiscardeD]

BEST GUIDE EVER. WHY? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY FROSTBURN FIRST. Insanitarius = WIN.

[MR_BIRD]

Yea~ new signature =)
Thanks to iHazard ^^

[MadeOfWood]

i like how you stole the insanitarious part from the skeleton king guide

[Cawk]

Awesome guide.

[Robot]

Guys TRY SHROUD ON PRED HE COMES A BEAST that is until u play -23+ games

[izzmad]

good read. good guide.

thanks man. :GreatArcana:

[urMudda]

still the best pred guide

[Jellie]

build now varies slightly, you can go sols after insan if you have trouble farming the items for SB.

[Wongster]

I like how you copied the insanatirius part from the skeleton king guide from playdota

[Aeryon]

This guide is full of win! So funny =D

[BubblleBee]

For me, Shrunken Head is fail. As Pred you don't Leap in first in a team fight. I always wait. One second after they've attacked I leap on the rangeds. With SB, negative Sol and Warpclaft they're so dead, no need for Instarius there then, you already have a Double-Tap/Hat Trick.