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[Decency]

I'm somteimes having problem with positioning as a team. Are there any basic pointers to keep in mind when trying to figure where to push (except for watching creepwaves), where to move when the field is inactive (as in you don't see any enemy heroes and the team is spread out) and when you should try to kong?

Generally, when pushing as a team, you want to keep towards the outside of the map, but spread out. The heroes you'd prefer the other team to focus should be in the most vulnerable positions, the heroes you don't want focused in the least vulnerable. How spread out you need to be really depends on the initiation the other team has. If they have a :pebb: the answer is not too much, but if they have a :temp: that changes a bit and you might want to have someone with a long range stun like :hell: way in back.

If there's nothing going on that you can see that probably means you need to get wards up. If they counterwarded, check Kongor and then set up your own wards/counterwards as a team. Kong after winning a teamfight, ganking an important enemy hero, or after pushing successfully while the other team heals/respawns. Some heroes kill him really efficiently (:pest:, :slit:, :hell:), so with heroes like this on your team you have more leeway.


Best way to get out of the 1400 mmr mess?
Play strong ganking heroes that can win the midgame easily. Win your lane and make sure your teammates win their lanes by ganking as much as needed. Good heroes for this are :wret: :glad: :pebb: :phar: and plenty more.

More importantly, be vocal if you know what to do in a situation. If you don't know, be vocal and ask.

[Milzberry]

I find myself getting matched with scrub teammates all the time. I usually win my middle lane and try and gank side lanes. Sometimes I'm very successful ganking side lanes and other times not so much. What I'm asking is what are the best heroes to mid and carry mid to late game?

My most successful mids are usually with :valk::pebb::dead::doct::wret:. What other heroes are good to mid and carry late game? I've never found success with corrupted disciple.

[TryckFel]

The strategy section of the forums is not as usefull as it should be. so my question is: will you please do something about the old premium guides that now are outdated and useless?

[pk_thunder]

I find myself getting matched with scrub teammates all the time. I usually win my middle lane and try and gank side lanes. Sometimes I'm very successful ganking side lanes and other times not so much. What I'm asking is what are the best heroes to mid and carry mid to late game?

My most successful mids are usually with :valk::pebb::dead::doct::wret:. What other heroes are good to mid and carry late game? I've never found success with corrupted disciple.

ever tried :souls:?

tho you really shouldn't blame ur team, half of those heroes can win games practically by themselves if played right

[DeathCult]

I seriously want to become a good player. No more LN clan, they just play like crap. Yes, I left LN as I could not stand the amount of idiocy that I saw in many players.

Here are the stuff I tried over some time.
1. I played a ton of No-Stat. But every no-stat game is filled with leaver and quitters who quit after they die just once.
2. Played with a clan. LN specifically. Yes, there are decent players in LN, I agree. But when it comes to MM or any other stat game, I seem to end up with players far worse than myself who have perfect skill in blaming others for their short comings and telling the entire game was lost just because of one player.
3. Left clan to try and solo myself to increase my MMR, PSR, etc. It has been a 50-50 chance. Winning and loosing the game seems to hand in hand. So I am not sure if I am improving myself or not.

I am open to any idea/suggestions/revolution/anything that will get me to improve my skill.

[oP_Goon]

where can i find a well made guide for Zephyr?

[MartianChild]

What hero would people like a new guide written for? I just finished my second recently and plan on writing another soon.

[NitePhlight]

I seriously want to become a good player. No more LN clan, they just play like crap. Yes, I left LN as I could not stand the amount of idiocy that I saw in many players.

Here are the stuff I tried over some time.
1. I played a ton of No-Stat. But every no-stat game is filled with leaver and quitters who quit after they die just once.
2. Played with a clan. LN specifically. Yes, there are decent players in LN, I agree. But when it comes to MM or any other stat game, I seem to end up with players far worse than myself who have perfect skill in blaming others for their short comings and telling the entire game was lost just because of one player.
3. Left clan to try and solo myself to increase my MMR, PSR, etc. It has been a 50-50 chance. Winning and loosing the game seems to hand in hand. So I am not sure if I am improving myself or not.

I am open to any idea/suggestions/revolution/anything that will get me to improve my skill.

1. dont play no stats.
2. maybe you're not picking heroes that suit your playing style. you have an equal chance of getting a good team as you do a bad one.
3. your K/D (or rather the change in K/D from game to game) is a better indicator than MMR of whether you're improving or not.

[pk_thunder]

1. dont play no stats.
2. maybe you're not picking heroes that suit your playing style. you have an equal chance of getting a good team as you do a bad one.
3. your K/D (or rather the change in K/D from game to game) is a better indicator than MMR of whether you're improving or not.

that's like saying going :Codex::scou: and solo mid would make you a good player...

[Kcep]

Is there any test client nowadays in HoN?
Cause older test-clients ain't working - it typing something like "Test client Acess Restricted"

[Decency]

Is there any test client nowadays in HoN?
Cause older test-clients ain't working - it typing something like "Test client Acess Restricted"

It's restricted to normal players, only Super Beta Testers can use the client.

[Marlesdk]

What is the most effective way to use Whispering Helm? Dominate a creep and sit in the jungle or lane with it?
Dominate a creep, place it near ancients/guardians. then share unit controle and make your team help you stack ancients, max of 3 stacks!
pull creeps bewteen 50-55 second so they are far away from spawn point.
VERY effective.. but make sure the other team doesnt find out, then they will take all the sweet gold asap or gank you while you try!

[Exentrik]

if you are two player ganking one player, Its preferable that the carry gets the kill. But after recent patch i know they changed the gold a bit.
How much gold does the killer get and how much does the assister get?

[spdn4cr]

if you are two player ganking one player, Its preferable that the carry gets the kill. But after recent patch i know they changed the gold a bit.
How much gold does the killer get and how much does the assister get?

I could be wrong but I think the assist person gets 1/2 the amount the killer gets...and if there is more than 1 person assisting they divide the 1/2.

[Kazrugore]

What counters Sand Wraith?

Sand Wraith got awesome escape mechanism early.
He can farm and join teamfights whenever he wants with his ulti.
Later he nearly kills supports without even attacking them on his own.

Can't find a carry that competes with his abilitys in lategame :(
1 on 1 he might not be the strongest, but his 5on5 potential with his ulti + survivability >_<

So what exactly counters him except early ganking?

[natiko]

How do I counter god dam swiftblade?

[Kazrugore]

Phara with Mummies
Chipper with Focus Buffer
Arachna with Slow
Panda with all physical


EDIT: Still looking for an answer of my previous question 2 posts above :)

[Marach]

What counters Sand Wraith?

Sand Wraith got awesome escape mechanism early.
He can farm and join teamfights whenever he wants with his ulti.
Later he nearly kills supports without even attacking them on his own.

Can't find a carry that competes with his abilitys in lategame :(
1 on 1 he might not be the strongest, but his 5on5 potential with his ulti + survivability >_<

So what exactly counters him except early ganking?

make sure he has a poor early/mid game by ganking him. put a good offensive lane against him - stun/nuke heroes (mag + pyro being the classic example). such lane should be able to either kill him of shut his farm.

strategically speaking, don't let the game last long, try to get enemy raxes asap. whether you're able to do this will depend on your and enemy lineup (hero picks) and skill level of players, of course.

his ulti can be countered by Nullstone - Nullstone blocks his ulti on you (illusion won't spawn on you). theoretically speaking, if all your teammates would buy a Nullstone and Nullstone is not on cool-down, SW would have no ulti ;).

Void Talisman will counter the physical damage that he or his illusion will inflict, for a period of time. note though that if SW bought Mock of Brilliance, you would receive increased magical damage for the duration Void Talisman is active.

[Noob]

yep what he said but you need to finish early or have enough carry power to be able to outcarry him, and of course gank him a lot.. if you forget about him for 20 mins its over...

[Decency]

What counters Sand Wraith?

Sand Wraith got awesome escape mechanism early.
He can farm and join teamfights whenever he wants with his ulti.
Later he nearly kills supports without even attacking them on his own.

Can't find a carry that competes with his abilitys in lategame :(
1 on 1 he might not be the strongest, but his 5on5 potential with his ulti + survivability >_<

So what exactly counters him except early ganking?

Early ganking is the most important. If he has a good laning phase and early game that enables him to get a quick HotBL he's very hard to take down. Choosing crowd control is important, as his dual escape mechanisms are among the best in the game.

In midgame, realize that most of his damage is coming from his Dissipate and ultimate. Stick together and make sure he can't pick anyone off for a free kill easily.

Late game a Barrier Idol or BKB really helps to negate his Dissipate, which deals magic damage. Nullstone, as another poster pointed out, is also a good pickup assuming some of SW's teammates also have important single-target abilities.

He's a strong pickup right now, your best bet is to hamper him early and don't hesitate to push.

[rayven]

Are all goblin coins going to be erased this saturday? I heard something like that.. Couldn't find any threads about this.

[Dragnmn]

I would doubt that. That would be the biggest S2 **** action ever.

[Boozie]

What is the best babysitter for SW? Or list some of the best. I'm assuming something along the lines of DS, HB, and VJ.

[Potfish]

What does it mean when someone asks you to counter ward?
Is there a way to open the shop through a keybind instead of having to click on it?
Why do people boot players who have low PSRs in pub games? For example, in one game this player with a 1450 rating was booted even though his assist/kill/death ratios, gpm, and xpm were better than everyone else's.
It is very important for carry heroes to last hit every creep they can. Yet, how is a melee carry hero like :scou: or :zeph: supposed to do this while laning against something like :slit: or :vood:?

[Dragnmn]

1. It means planting blue wards where you think they put there yellow wards so you can see and destroy (counter) them.
2. Standard it's B.
3. Cause they think PSR means everything.
4. Melee heroes tend to have higher base damage than range heroes. The harass is a problem for everyone though, not much you can do about it. Try buying an iron buckler.

[MinDing0]

How can i report a player who's manipulating stats, playing 2 acounts, and doing some how 200/0 kd in a game. I can only report players who plays with me. I know 2 players is doing that... last week his kdr was 0.4 and now is 1.2.

P.S. Sry for my bad english.

[AntiHeadShot]

How can i report a player who's manipulating stats, playing 2 acounts, and doing some how 200/0 kd in a game. I can only report players who plays with me. I know 2 players is doing that... last week his kdr was 0.4 and now is 1.2.

P.S. Sry for my bad english.

Email SUPPORT@S2GAMES.COM with all the evidence you have, such as match IDs, etc...

[BigHustles]

Say I'm on Legion bot or Hellborne top - Is there a good reason NOT to pull creeps from the neutral camps? Would the only reason be if I wanted to have the lane pushed up?

[Rkey]

Say I'm on Legion bot or Hellborne top - Is there a good reason NOT to pull creeps from the neutral camps? Would the only reason be if I wanted to have the lane pushed up?

If you want their tower or if the creeps are hitting at your tower. You want to have the creepwave back, but not too far back.

[Hat_Truck]

Does Barbed Armor reflect damage before or after magic and armor reductions?

[AntiHeadShot]

Does Barbed Armor reflect damage before or after magic and armor reductions?

After.

[Decency]

Say I'm on Legion bot or Hellborne top - Is there a good reason NOT to pull creeps from the neutral camps? Would the only reason be if I wanted to have the lane pushed up?

If you have complete lane dominance, pulling risks breaking that by leaving a 2v1 situation as someone goes to kill the creeps. You'll get a bit extra gold from the neutrals but you give the other team a chance to get some farm or even a kill too. Also, if you pull without stacking, you will push the lane shortly thereafter.

Generally you want to keep the lane to be as close to your team as possible without the tower being able to push it.

[Jmetcalf]

Ok, I've spent the last hour searching google and the HoN forums so sorry if this has been asked...

I have a pretty boss computer and HoN runs great...at 59 FPS. I want more. Are there high FPS configs or mods I can use to increase the max fps to something a bit higher.

[Decency]

Your video card might be capping HoN. It has something to do with V-Sync, I believe it needs to be turned off.

[Jmetcalf]

Yeah it was just vsync. >.<

Im steady over 100-150 now. Thanks. :D

[fodkanin]

How do i write with glowing text :)

[Decency]

EDIT: Err sorry this just colors it. I don't know about glowing.

Use ^ and then the letter of whatever color you want.

^b = blue
^r = red
^y = yellow
etc.

Or you can use a 3 digit decimal number like ^933 where the first digit is the degree of Red, the second is the degree of Green, the third is the degree of Blue.

^RGB
^909 = purple, red+blue
^099 = teal, green+blue

etc.

[spdn4cr]

If your allied empath is on top of your hero and uses the void talisman does it affect the host hero too? I can see how this would be bad if the host hero did not want this turned on (ie a lot of magic damaging enemies around).

[Dragnmn]

Items like Void Talisman or Shrunken Head don't work on the hero you're ulting.

[fodkanin]

EDIT: Err sorry this just colors it. I don't know about glowing.

Use ^ and then the letter of whatever color you want.

^b = blue
^r = red
^y = yellow
etc.

Or you can use a 3 digit decimal number like ^933 where the first digit is the degree of Red, the second is the degree of Green, the third is the degree of Blue.

^RGB
^909 = purple, red+blue
^099 = teal, green+blue

etc.

Thanks but i allrdy know about the colors :)
Just tht i saw someone who wrote with red and white text and its was glowing at the sametime, i asked him how i did it, but i wouldnt tell me. :(

So ig anyone knows how, i would be very glad, cuz its look kinda awesome :D

[Nust]

Type ^: then ^color code and it will be glowing

[fodkanin]

Type ^: then ^color code and it will be glowing

Thank you mate :D

[BigHustles]

I have a question about the life bars:

When you hit someone, you'll see the yellow portion of the life bar decrease, followed by a red portion trailing behind it. Does that red portion indicate anything; like the rate at which the red bar decreases shows you how long a certain effect is on that hero (ie. the next proc of a dot that hits every 1sec or so)?

Does that make sense?

[Dragnmn]

It's the life bar, but then running 0.5s (1s?) behind, if that makes sense. Basically it shows how much damage that person took in the last 0.5s/1s.

[Decency]

I have a question about the life bars:

When you hit someone, you'll see the yellow portion of the life bar decrease, followed by a red portion trailing behind it. Does that red portion indicate anything; like the rate at which the red bar decreases shows you how long a certain effect is on that hero (ie. the next proc of a dot that hits every 1sec or so)?

Does that make sense?

Go into options, interface, and uncheck "Show Hero Health Bar Shadows"

It's a very annoying visual effect, to me, but it just indicates damage that was taken. The actual life is the leftmost part of the bar.

[Dragnmn]

I have it on, don't really use it and I don't really see it anymore either.

[Potfish]

I have two specific questions.

First, there was a match where Keeper of the Forest and Nighthound were on the same team, but neither player was able to accomplish much because the enemy simply carried Dust/Ward of Revelation. Later, the enemy Accursed carried a Bound Eye. Simply put, these two heroes who depended on being invisible were completely countered. What should these heroes have done in this situation?

I remember a few days ago where I was playing Rampage and laning with Flint Beastwood against Devourer and Myrmidon. Devourer would constantly use Guttling Hook against me, pull me far away, and kill me. Normally I would just dodge this ability except Myrmidon would first stun me with Magic Carp, which cannot be dodged because it is a homing missile. So basically I was stunned by an unavoidable fish, pulled, and then killed about two or three times ... Beastwood was unable to do much except auto attack.

I switched to another lane in frustration, but then this just happened to the player who replaced me. What should we have done in this situation?

[Dragnmn]

For your first question, I think your Keeper should have farmed a pkey as soon as possible and initiate that way. Unfortunately NH can't do too much about it specifically, what he can do is play more careful, make sure your team (Tree) has wards up so he can farm the forest safely, and only go out to gank when he's sure he won't get counter-ganked.

For the second: I haven't faced that combo yet, but it sounds really painful. You can still run away from the Magic Carp, so try to use that time to get creeps between you and Devourer. Also remember the Carp only stuns if it hits you while moving, so it's possible to pause for a split second to avoid the stun.

[Potfish]

Also remember the Carp only stuns if it hits you while moving, so it's possible to pause for a split second to avoid the stun.
Oh snap I forgot about that. Thanks.

[Theburned]

make sure he has a poor early/mid game by ganking him. put a good offensive lane against him - stun/nuke heroes (mag + pyro being the classic example). such lane should be able to either kill him of shut his farm.

strategically speaking, don't let the game last long, try to get enemy raxes asap. whether you're able to do this will depend on your and enemy lineup (hero picks) and skill level of players, of course.

his ulti can be countered by Nullstone - Nullstone blocks his ulti on you (illusion won't spawn on you). theoretically speaking, if all your teammates would buy a Nullstone and Nullstone is not on cool-down, SW would have no ulti ;).

Void Talisman will counter the physical damage that he or his illusion will inflict, for a period of time. note though that if SW bought Mock of Brilliance, you would receive increased magical damage for the duration Void Talisman is active.

SW is on the same team as tb once in a while and late game you would use tb ulti first and then sw.

[Axas]

Is it possible to see killstreaks (like annihilation announcement) while being on F12 in replay? For video editing purposes. This (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2251907/reso...ToggleSpec.s2z) mod doesn't work with the current version :/

[Elzaros]

I've been away for about 5 months, havent played since before 2.0.

Has anything changed much, i know with a game like this its most likely subject to a lot of opinion but i know as i was leaving tri lanes were just coming into the game. Has much changed?

[jriddle89]

Any idea why when someone leaves and that team wants to remake because 4v5 isn't exactly fair, why does the other team have to be included in the vote for remake when they could easily just vote to not pass the remake and most likely win an easy match?

Yes I just got back from a game where this happened and I'm kind of angry and definitely would like this changed.

[F3]

What's the future in the development of friend memos? I would love to see an in game area where you can type some info about friends you play with and see it later. Typically i tend to meet someone in a game and then play a couple of games with that person. A few weeks later wonder why in the world i added them. Is this something that's up for future development, or are there any apps that I'm unaware of that would do the same thing?

I looked through all the forums, got semi confused and resorted to this one, because I figured on the rest of them I would just get flamed.

[Decency]

The friends list is silly. I don't know why games insist on using outdated all-encompassing "buddy list" styles that AIM made obsolete 10 years ago. Steam does the same thing and it's terrible.

You should be able to categorize, describe, group, and interact with your friends easily, but I don't see any progress being made there in the near future.

[Mirciux]

does taunting your opponent break stealth or any other channeling abilities? Do enemies see that they are taunted if you taunt from outside their LOS? thanks.

[Dragnmn]

does taunting your opponent break stealth or any other channeling abilities? Do enemies see that they are taunted if you taunt from outside their LOS? thanks.

From what I heard on the forums (I don't have taunt): yes it breaks invis, yes it breaks channeling, and it does reveal you for I think 0.5s if you Taunt from outside the LoS.

[F3]

You should be able to categorize, describe, group, and interact with your friends easily, but I don't see any progress being made there in the near future.

Very sad, but I hope that it will change somedayy. Maybe then i can type info about that friendguy with amazing stats that fed 0.10 and then rage quit because his brother was online.

[Gooya]

If I use blast of lightning in an enemy hero, will every other enemy hero within the range take the lightning rod damage?

[MangO_O]

^yea

[Marach]

If I use blast of lightning in an enemy hero, will every other enemy hero within the range take the lightning rod damage?

yes, but within 800 units of you, not the enemy you hit with Blast of Lightning. I guess you knew that, but just to make sure.

[SmashFiles]

Why the hell is the community for this game such trolls/*******s? I have a friend who would totally play the game if it weren't for the community ): Makes me sad

[Decency]

Someone should make a newbie mod that just automatically mutes everyone on both teams when you join a no-stats game. If you join a stats game, it should make you quit and tell you to join a no-stats game. When you hit 100 games, then it goes away.

The community is terrible because you rarely see the same people more than once, games last a while and thus a lot of time can be wasted purely because of one bad player, and there's no system in place to encourage good behavior.

[Jake]

http://i7.aijaa.com/b/00936/7534938.jpg

[Decency]

Not always, but yeah usually true.

[baayo]

Where i can find my banlist ?

/nvm, got it

[Anakha]

80,000th view.

[SmashFiles]

How do you split items? I've seen people talk about it alot, but i have no idea how :S

[Vampirika]

How do you split items? I've seen people talk about it alot, but i have no idea how :S
Put it into your stash and then simply left click on it- This only works for some items, most of the ones that combine automatically such as frostburn :HackNSlash: and sustainer :Sustainer:

[Nust]

Works for any item without a recipe afaik

[Gyr0]

Anyone know a good Engineer player i can watch ?

[Dragnmn]

Works for any item without a recipe afaik

Not completely, you can't disassemble an Iron Shield, but I think you can disassemble anything else without a recipe.

[SmashFiles]

Ah, alright, thanks. Has that always been a part of the game? or recently added?

[pk_thunder]

It's been here ever since I can remember, though I wasn't here in the very beginning (or even cared to read patch notes/understand game mechanics until like in December of 2009, which I was mostly using another account back then).

[crazysheep]

Ah, alright, thanks. Has that always been a part of the game? or recently added?

I believe it's been in game for quite a while now.... probably even since DotA. Gotta check the patch notes for DotA though.

[Muffelito]

I am wondering if there is a plan to improve the voice chat? I am sick of hearing these foolish russians or asians spamming the voice chat
Is there a possibility so you can have a "chat voice room"? So you can talk with the people you choose in the game, for example a friend, or just to ignore the yelling korean guy?

[Dragnmn]

I am wondering if there is a plan to improve the voice chat? I am sick of hearing these foolish russians or asians spamming the voice chat
Is there a possibility so you can have a "chat voice room"? So you can talk with the people you choose in the game, for example a friend, or just to ignore the yelling korean guy?

You can click the little chat balloon icon next to their hero portrait to mute them.

[Muffelito]

Yes i know that, but i am wondering if there is a possibility to use the games voice chat, but just talk to the people you want to talk to..like skype ingame

[Dragnmn]

No, that's not possible.

[Muffelito]

Ok, thanks mate

[ShounenBoy]

Trilane vs 2-1-2 !? (I mean both: 1. which one is better to play for what strategy;
2. when one side plays trilane and other one 2-1-2, which one has higher chances of winning)
If it is noobish question, please no offense.

[Killda]

Trilane vs 2-1-2 !? (I mean both: 1. which one is better to play for what strategy;
2. when one side plays trilane and other one 2-1-2, which one has higher chances of winning)
If it is noobish question, please no offense.
Both teams can win if executed correctly. However, picks play a big part in this. A well set up trilane team will be picking 2 solos, 1 of which is semi expecting to be against 2 people. The other, their 2 that are against the trilane could be very un prepared and be continually ganked.

It comes down to picks, preparedness, and level of play. This will usually only happen as a pubstomp, in which case the trilane will almost always win. But whenever I've tried to get a pub to trilane, supports take farm, they don't gank, and the 2-1-2 wins.

[ShounenBoy]

So, when we play cw, it is much better to play trilane, if I understood you good?

[Pebbles]

y´´ + 8y´ + 17y = 0

How do I solve it?

[Jehuty]

what does magebane's aura does?, is it working?

[daskplz]

is there any new site like stats.maide.ca? Just want to see hero win% etc :).

[Dragnmn]

y´´ + 8y´ + 17y = 0

How do I solve it?

Solve z^2 + zx + 17 = 0, then put those answers in y = c1 * e^(x1 * z) + c2 * e^(x2 * z).


what does magebane's aura does?, is it working?

It slows cast speed and deals damage when someone casts a spell. I haven't heard about a bug yet.


is there any new site like stats.maide.ca? Just want to see hero win% etc :).

Try http://honstats.heroku.com/ although it's stuck at 2/17 for me.

[BigHustles]

If an allied reveal ward is placed within the sight range of an allied sight ward, will the range of the reveal function of the reveal ward increase?

Also, for ward vision range in general, when I place a ward on a higher point on the map, do I get that bonus vision range added to its sight. I don't know the exact range of a sight ward, but say its 1200 and the high ground is 100 units above ground - if I place that ward on the high ground, do I now get 1300 vision?

[Dragnmn]

If an allied reveal ward is placed within the sight range of an allied sight ward, will the range of the reveal function of the reveal ward increase?

Also, for ward vision range in general, when I place a ward on a higher point on the map, do I get that bonus vision range added to its sight. I don't know the exact range of a sight ward, but say its 1200 and the high ground is 100 units above ground - if I place that ward on the high ground, do I now get 1300 vision?

That's not exactly how reveal wards work. They have a small sight range and a huge reveal range. The sight range is the stuff they see by themselves, and within the reveal range you can see everything that is invisible. Adding a sight ward to this will not change anything, part of the area the sight ward sees will be revealed and some won't.

For the second question, the vision range will not increase if you place the ward on a higher spot, however it will be able to see over more cliffs itself. So that's not exactly like real life.

[BigHustles]

1.
Ya, I understand that they have both sight and reveal properties. My buddy said though, that if i you put a sight ward near them, that it'd up the reveal wards reveal range. I didn't think so. Just wanted to make sure.

2. So like, If you had two hills, or higher ground areas within range of the ward, you'd have vision of both?

[Dragnmn]

2: not sure if I understand that right. Placing a ward on a hill works the same as standing on high ground yourself, you can look over lower cliffs and stuff.

[wietepiet]

Small question, is it true that I can't disassemble elder parasite? I wanted to use the hungry spirit for abyssal skull but I just couldn't disassemble it.

What can and what can't be disassembled?

[Dragnmn]

Disassembling is possible for anything WITHOUT a recipe, except Iron Shield. So since Elder Parasite has a recipe in it, it cannot be disassembled. The best you can do is sell it and use the money for another Hungry Spirit.

[Cruilzer]

31027115 watch this video and tell me if im right! is it grieffing?

[Dragnmn]

Timestamp? I don't think anyone will watch it without.

[robbiek1]

Disassembling is possible for anything WITHOUT a recipe, except Iron Shield. So since Elder Parasite has a recipe in it, it cannot be disassembled. The best you can do is sell it and use the money for another Hungry Spirit.
Icon of the goddess can also not be dissambled.

~Robbie

[Dragnmn]

Ok, I didn't know that. But then who ever builds that item?

[`tris]

asddd

[voidpredator]

sorry, asking some thoughts of mine.

i recently dropped into a far low 1150ish MMR. i play single MM, normal mode, and picks every game mode (singledraft,banningdraft etc.)

my team always say that i play well, yeah maybe one or two minor mistakes, but why cant i bring my team into victory? even though i got farmed and everything went well for me, my team still got beaten into the throne. how can i moralize my team / what kind of things i can do to make my team win? i really dont care about kdr that much now, i already have much positive kdr, i need some MMR.

[encmslak]

For a while now I've been having trouble finding servers. This problem only effects public game searches and when i attempt to create. Simple advice as turning of my firewall etc will not be necessary, because it has already be tryed.

Is there anyone with a similar problem who might have an answer for me?

Humble regards, Encmslak.

[Rappe]

What Hero (other Carry) Item counters Maliken?
I know: don't let him farm the entire game and gank him otherwise he rapes you.. But anything else?

[Dragnmn]

You need to be quite tanky to counter him since he hits faster when he gets low. Also, he stacks a lot of HP, so I'd say Predator (especially Pred) and Sand Wraith. Locking him down before he activates Shrunken and/or ult also helps.

[XLCR]

Why can't I join HON Matchmaking games?

I love HON, but I really hate the Matchmaking selection system.
Up until 3 weeks ago I could join them fine, now I am waiting for anything up to an hour before a message says that there were no suitable games, try again later.

My Matchmaking options are set to Casual Mode, 5v5, West USA West / East Servers, All Pick.
I live in New Zealand so I wondered if the ping could be the cause. But logic told me that if the two other HON users in my house use the same LAN/ADSL connection successfully then it shouldn't be an issue.
I sometimes also wonder if it is my PSR level.

I am currently a little over 1000PSR on the matchmaking scoring system. If this is the reason why then I would feel disappointed....If a noob with noob PSR can't join a casual mode (noob mode) game on matchmaking then there is little hope for us celler dwellers. I can still play public games, but I hate how douchebags can rig games with a feeder accounts on the opposite team from themselves to gain easy PSR from the unbalanced game wins.

Additionally I like to earn gold to afford shop items, as the New Zealand to US dollar exchange rate prohibits me paying rel money for items. I paid good money for HON and it is so disapponting that I can't play its best game types (match making) and evolve my items base.

I would hate to leave HON when Valve's Dota but if I am unable to get value from the game I would be forced in that direction.

[Decency]

What Hero (other Carry) Item counters Maliken?
I know: don't let him farm the entire game and gank him otherwise he rapes you.. But anything else?

Hellflower is quite good against him. He won't be able to use his Ultimate, his Shrunken Head, or his Sword throw to get away. Without those he's quite weak.

[robbiek1]

Why can't I join HON Matchmaking games?

I love HON, but I really hate the Matchmaking selection system.
Up until 3 weeks ago I could join them fine, now I am waiting for anything up to an hour before a message says that there were no suitable games, try again later.

My Matchmaking options are set to Casual Mode, 5v5, West USA West / East Servers, All Pick.
I live in New Zealand so I wondered if the ping could be the cause. But logic told me that if the two other HON users in my house use the same LAN/ADSL connection successfully then it shouldn't be an issue.
I sometimes also wonder if it is my PSR level.

I am currently a little over 1000PSR on the matchmaking scoring system. If this is the reason why then I would feel disappointed....If a noob with noob PSR can't join a casual mode (noob mode) game on matchmaking then there is little hope for us celler dwellers. I can still play public games, but I hate how douchebags can rig games with a feeder accounts on the opposite team from themselves to gain easy PSR from the unbalanced game wins.

Additionally I like to earn gold to afford shop items, as the New Zealand to US dollar exchange rate prohibits me paying rel money for items. I paid good money for HON and it is so disapponting that I can't play its best game types (match making) and evolve my items base.

I would hate to leave HON when Valve's Dota but if I am unable to get value from the game I would be forced in that direction.

Well, your looking very specifically, try adding more game modes or regions, or play normal mode(which is better anyways). More people play normal mode then casual mode.

~Robbie

[robbiek1]

What Hero (other Carry) Item counters Maliken?
I know: don't let him farm the entire game and gank him otherwise he rapes you.. But anything else?
Predator, disables, barbed armor, void stone.

EDIT: sorry for the double post.

~Robbie

[abax]

What Hero (other Carry) Item counters Maliken?
I know: don't let him farm the entire game and gank him otherwise he rapes you.. But anything else?

:soulr:

[Mateui]

Dumb question probably but I never really understood the reasoning so I'm going to ask it: Why does the vast majority of the population think that levelling stats > volcanic touch on Magmus? To me it seems like a quick and easy way to farm his pkey faster, and it's probably the best skill at defending the base if it starts being overrun by enemy creep.

It's obviously not something that you should use during the laning phase as it pushes the lane toward the enemy tower, but why not skill it lategame when it's such a good and mana-free pushing tool?

[Liohman]

Guys, I am aware that this is probably not the right place to ask this question, but due to lack of insight as to where it should be asked...

Could some1 tell me when was the first time trilanes were used? As far as I know it was MSI first using it, but it takes ages to go through replays on honcast. I am not looking for the exact games, I am looking for an approximate time-period of when it was first used (altho an exact game would be insanely useful :D).

[Decency]

Dumb question probably but I never really understood the reasoning so I'm going to ask it: Why does the vast majority of the population think that levelling stats > volcanic touch on Magmus? To me it seems like a quick and easy way to farm his pkey faster, and it's probably the best skill at defending the base if it starts being overrun by enemy creep.

It's obviously not something that you should use during the laning phase as it pushes the lane toward the enemy tower, but why not skill it lategame when it's such a good and mana-free pushing tool?

Magmus is a mana dependent ganker. Stats give more survivability and mana. Volcanic Touch does let you farm better, but a well played Magmus is not farming, he's ganking. If you farm with Volcanic Touch pretty much all you're doing is pushing the lane and making it harder for your carries to farm. Magmus doesn't need anything more than Strider, Bottle, and Portal Key to be useful. If you end up getting SotM or Spellshards as a luxury item, great. But you don't need it to play Magmus well, so leave the farm to heroes that actually do need it. If you don't have your Portal Key by the time you've hit level 10 or 12 and might consider leveling touch, you're doing something wrong or getting so stomped that the game is over anyway.

There is this illusion common in low level players that pushing down creep waves fast and using spells on them is beneficial. The creeps spawn every 30 seconds, no matter how fast you kill them. It doesn't matter if you're pyro and use both of your spells on the creep wave or if you're If you kill them faster, it just makes it harder for you to get to the next wave in the same. So unless your team is gearing up to push a tower or exerting map control, all you're doing is costing your team gold by pushing the lane fast. Some carries can push lanes like this in midgame because they'll be going elsewhere after doing so, to another lane or to jungle. But for most heroes, this is a sure sign of a BAD player, you're wasting mana to do something that should be done manually.


Guys, I am aware that this is probably not the right place to ask this question, but due to lack of insight as to where it should be asked...

Could some1 tell me when was the first time trilanes were used? As far as I know it was MSI first using it, but it takes ages to go through replays on honcast. I am not looking for the exact games, I am looking for an approximate time-period of when it was first used (altho an exact game would be insanely useful :D).
Trilanes have been used in DotA for years. I can't help with when the first time they were used in HoN was, sorry. =/

[Liohman]

Trilanes have been used in DotA for years. I can't help with when the first time they were used in HoN was, sorry. =/

Fair enough, I was looking for casts to see how they first introduced it in HoN, since all old casts are using the classic 2-2-1.

[DarkAnhell]

My question is

Is backdoor allowed?

I just had a game where nymphora and her team backdoor our base and won even though we were winning so i think is unfair and i dont know if that is allowed or not.

thank you :)

[Decency]

It's disallowed in some tournaments, but as far as public play goes: if you can do it, it's allowed.

[KARTlK]

First time a trilane was ever used in HoN was 4AR (RobinEA's team, if you were that old) with a roaming FA/andro/behe or something. People of Luzon(sp?) or PoL (soon to be NvD) also did an early trilane with pestilence iirc.

Look through old honcast archives, both were casted. It was like a secret strategy. Pretty sure 4AR was playing WHP. Not sure who PoL faced.

It was introduced as a roaming FA. But she stayed toplane a lot.

[Le3t]

will nullfire and illusion come back anytime soon?

[zOle`]

My question is !

When will be Latvian Flag because i w8 it for 1st patch and now it`s 2.0.17 !!!

[Big9Ball]

1. hi jus wanna ask what is the damage for mymridon's Ult? jus 225 magic damage? how about the extra damage from the items and base damage? stack with it?
2. his 3rd skill wave form has already -4 magic armor, y do people tend to get spellsharps?

Thanks!

[Dragnmn]

1. hi jus wanna ask what is the damage for mymridon's Ult? jus 225 magic damage? how about the extra damage from the items and base damage? stack with it?
2. his 3rd skill wave form has already -4 magic armor, y do people tend to get spellsharps?

Thanks!


The damage is a static 225. AFAIK nothing will add to that.
Probably because you can't always hit them with Wave Form. But then I think Spellshards is one of the worst items you can get on him. If you ever get cash build him tanky.

[Big9Ball]

thx a lot!

[Rkey]

I don't understand the new patch, what's up?

[Spankert]

when whispered ingame, is there a way to whisper back without having to type the whole: /w name text ?

it's so much work to type that every time..

Edit:

nvm, i just found out you can do that with /r

[Webad]

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=33190355

Can you tell me what did i wrong in this match with Archana?
And what should/shouldn't i do?

[ZpInn]

What does it mean you have a turtle team???

[Dragnmn]

What does it mean you have a turtle team???

It means you have a team which can hold off the other team 4v5, so the carry can farm non-stop and eventually sweep. I can't give you an example set-up though.

[Undutchable]

What does it mean you have a turtle team???

A turtle team is a team which farms up and waits for the heroes in their team (which reach their true potential later in the game) to become useful.
This usually involves having several carries, and at least having more late game potential then the other team.

It also involves having several heroes which are good at protecting towers or your base, such as Behemoth. To push you need to put yourself in a position where heroes such as Behemoth can jump out and deal massive amounts of damage.

Turtle is the opposite of push. (Just think of the animal, a Turtle is a creature which isn't really offensive, it has a thick hard shell and will outlive (outlast) it's "opponents")

[ArgsintApa]

Why dont you get "Phone payment system". For those who dont have cards etc..
You would make alot more profit.

[Undutchable]

Not a question you should ask here, PM someone of S2

[Church_]

How do you do you ablity then cancel it, but it make the sound of it, I see the pros in HONcast do it? ex) :deme: ulti when he laughs

[crazysheep]

How do you do you ablity then cancel it, but it make the sound of it, I see the pros in HONcast do it? ex) :deme: ulti when he laughs

Press the skill button [Q/W/E/R], then hit S before the cast animation plays [For DS he swings his weapon up, then down]. You should be able to hear him laugh, but he won't use any mana [if I'm not mistaken]

[Church_]

Thanks :)

[c6h12n2o6]

What is the most common, consistent and relevant website for HON hero guides?

(I encountered quite a few (such as the other sticky topic in this forum) but they lacked real consistency and structure...)

[Dragnmn]

Currently a good (beginner's) guide is the Prodex, there's a topic in this forum about it, probably first page. It's a flash app for a skillbuild, itembuild, general guide and some protips for every hero.

Also, what molecule is C6H12N2O6?

[NastyNaz]

What does it mean when people say things like "skill build: 1322242333 " in the strategy forums?

[crazysheep]

What does it mean when people say things like "skill build: 1322242333 " in the strategy forums?

It's the order of levelling skills. In your example, they mean "Get skill 1 [the skill bound to Q], then 3rd skill, then 2nd skill for the next 3 levels, before getting your ult etc etc etc.

All they've done is replace the skill names with a generic number.

[NastyNaz]

Thanks.

[BigHustles]

Is there a cookie cutter Hellbringer item build out there?

[spdn4cr]

Moved

[sexymushroom]

Hi, i would like a new alt avatar to Plauge Rider. Do you think it will come one?

[Decency]

Is there a cookie cutter Hellbringer item build out there?

:chal: :Steamboots: :PowerSupply: :BarbedArmor: :WardOfSight:

That's about it, then slowly work towards :RestorationStone:.

[Rafacanis]

I'm new @ HoN. I just wanna know how can I change my HoN camera angle on replay. I saw some vids which they can record movies by another angle like S2 videos. Is there some mod for camera changes?

[Nytemair]

I'd personally go with Demented Shaman.



This times the internet.

[robbiek1]

I'm new @ HoN. I just wanna know how can I change my HoN camera angle on replay. I saw some vids which they can record movies by another angle like S2 videos. Is there some mod for camera changes?
I heard there was a mod for it, not sure tho, if it exists, you should be able to find it with the search button, or it will probably be in one of these sections:
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18

~Robbie

[LordWeird]

I'm new @ HoN. I just wanna know how can I change my HoN camera angle on replay. I saw some vids which they can record movies by another angle like S2 videos. Is there some mod for camera changes?

There's a key to move the camera around any way you want to. Check options under commands and see which key it is. I've adjusted all of mine so it's probably different for us.

[Anakha]

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[BigHustles]

If I'm babysitting as slither, is it still worth it to finish a hotbl if it takes me, like, 25 minutes to complete it? Isn't hotbl only worth it if its done around the 15 min mark? Very general question, I know. This is regarding 1600-1800 mmr games.

I've been opening with 1x (duckboot, courier, runes of blight, health pot, minor totem) > chalice>marchers>Complete helm>Complete whatever boots...

[elladan]

What is the best attack modifier for Magmus?

[Dragnmn]

Isn't Volcanic Touch one? Also, why would you ever need one (even Touch is usually skipped in favour of stats)?

[BOXl]

What is the best attack modifier for Magmus?

None, since you shouldnt get one :p

Anyway, if you do get one i would guess harkons blade, or a more carry oriented frostburn since spellshards almost fills harkons purpose aswell.

[elladan]

None, since you shouldnt get one :p

Anyway, if you do get one i would guess harkons blade, or a more carry oriented frostburn since spellshards almost fills harkons purpose aswell.
Thanks a lot, i will try it.

[Feeder]

Builds for legio?

[Lancestrike]

how do you stop :deme: and :legi: jumping behind your tower and screwing your tower up?

[Aconit]

how do you stop :deme: and :legi: jumping behind your tower and screwing your tower up?

When I saw some mates in trouble, I use to port to tower and help with a 2v3. Most of the time it works because they're very very far from their tower. They did it once, not twice.

If YOU are in trouble, juke the ennemies creeps around your tower. Try to take as less damage as possible and let tower kill creep. Ask for help and harass legi with the range guys (assuming you have a melee and a range guy). Dementend will probably lose a lot of mana to heal legi. Don't let them use health/mana pot and when you see demented low mana, try to kill him.

[robbiek1]

Builds for legio?
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=11992
Use the search button/guide forums next time before asking.

~Robbie

[Marimo]

Can one get items from the enemy pool if they have a dc and use them?

[Dragnmn]

Pretty sure you can, as at that point they aren't bound to a hero any more. Haven't actually tried it though (sort of obviously).

[ToushiX]

@Marimo: Yes you can pick them, and use them...most people pick them up with Flying Courier q+w(shield so he wont die)

[Dragnmn]

Hm, never bothered trying that, if it's 4v5 you might as well make it a fair 4v5.

[BigHustles]

How does one animation cancel abilities? Like I've seen Pyro players do the stun>wave really fast.

[Drog]

How does one animation cancel abilities? Like I've seen Pyro players do the stun>wave really fast.

Just enter another command after your first one has executed but before the animation is done. For example, if you're pyro and trying to kill someone, cast his stun and moment it goes off be clicking forward to close the distance with your opponent, and wave them for more damage. Try it in practice mode, both with shift queing and with the way I described it. You'll get the hang of it soon enough.

[Drog]

Does Torturers ultimate pulse damage more often with spellshards? Therefore increasing damage not only via spell armor reduction but also with more pulses/second.

Sorry if this has been answered else, I tried multiple searches but most just compared the armor reduction to other items.

[Vahn]

Does Torturers ultimate pulse damage more often with spellshards? Therefore increasing damage not only via spell armor reduction but also with more pulses/second.

Sorry if this has been answered else, I tried multiple searches but most just compared the armor reduction to other items.

No it doesn't. It does reduce the 0.75 second cooldown which stops you from toggling it on and off rapidly.

[Suwaaa]

For :wild:, is it better to go 1-3-3 or 1-3-1 for the first 3 lvls? I usually go 1-3-1 but i read somewhere that 1-3-3 is better (I dont remember the reasoning though)

[Legionnaire]

Does anyone know the link to the animation cancelling/annoying noises guide?

[robbiek1]

For :wild:, is it better to go 1-3-3 or 1-3-1 for the first 3 lvls? I usually go 1-3-1 but i read somewhere that 1-3-3 is better (I dont remember the reasoning though)
Max bear first.


Does anyone know the link to the animation cancelling/annoying noises guide?
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=46736&highlight=annoying+engineer+sound+animation+cancel

Use search.

~Robbie

[Xarc]

While holding down middle mousebutton you can move your camera easily, but how can I invert it? Been playing too much sc2 as of late and now i can't play hon for **** cus i keep messing up due to this.

[robbiek1]

While holding down middle mousebutton you can move your camera easily, but how can I invert it? Been playing too much sc2 as of late and now i can't play hon for **** cus i keep messing up due to this.
Options i think, idk, i play sc2 too, and i dont use middle mouse on either of the games.

~Robbie

[Xarc]

nah not in options. theres a mod out but it has some wierd stuff additionally so its basically a no-go. Oh well, guess my next hon game is when this gets impemended or a better mod is out. ciao

[crazysheep]

While holding down middle mousebutton you can move your camera easily, but how can I invert it? Been playing too much sc2 as of late and now i can't play hon for **** cus i keep messing up due to this.

I think there's an option to invert Y-axis in the controls section. Is that what you're looking for?

[KlungHoN]

any ideas for great counters against predator, except for panda and a ranged carry with frostwolfskull or frostburn?

[crazysheep]

any ideas for great counters against predator, except for panda and a ranged carry with frostwolfskull or frostburn?

I like using Demented Shaman against him, but you need to be quite cautious about your playstyle using DS against Pred. Simply because DS's healbomb goes through any form of magic immunity.

However, there's always Rampage [all his spells deal physical damage] and Defiler with Void Talisman.

[Honir]

I've heard that Thunderbringer with FWS infects all enemy heroes with FWS slow when ulting. Does this mean that normal spells for other heroes also do the same, or is it an exception? For example, will Defiler's wave which is AOE, non-target do the same? How about status effects like Pesti or TDL ult? If it's just "single target" direct spells, then does that mean that say Pyro ult or Moonqueen nuke will give FWS slow? What about targeted aoe spells like Hammerstorm stun?

Is the same the case for other attack mods; for example can Thunderbringer infect everyone with Shieldbreaker debuff if he gets that, or lifesteal by using Symbol of Rage then ulting?

Ended up being more than one question :/.

[crazysheep]

I've heard that Thunderbringer with FWS infects all enemy heroes with FWS slow when ulting. Does this mean that normal spells for other heroes also do the same, or is it an exception? For example, will Defiler's wave which is AOE, non-target do the same? How about status effects like Pesti or TDL ult? If it's just "single target" direct spells, then does that mean that say Pyro ult or Moonqueen nuke will give FWS slow? What about targeted aoe spells like Hammerstorm stun?

Is the same the case for other attack mods; for example can Thunderbringer infect everyone with Shieldbreaker debuff if he gets that, or lifesteal by using Symbol of Rage then ulting?

Ended up being more than one question :/.

First you need to know that the FWS debuff is applied to enemy heroes when:
Your hero attacks an enemy
Your hero casts a single target spell on an enemy

So, to answer your questions:
No, Defiler's wave will not apply the FWS debuff.
Yes, Pesti's ult will. Not sure about TDL ult, it depends on how it's coded.
Pyro ult will, same thing applies for MQ's Moon Beam.
I believe Hammer's stun will apply on your target only, and not other units caught in the AoE. So if you target a Pyro, and the creep next to him gets stunned too, I think only the Pyro will get the FWS debuff.
No, this only applies to the FWS attack modifier.

[Honir]

Alright great, thanks for the quick reply.

[Legionnaire]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=46736&highlight=annoying+engineer+sound+animation+cancel

Use search.

~Robbie

did couldnt find it because i didnt know the title. thanks anyways :) :legi:

[YEAHGIRL]

can i still make/get trial accounts? if so - where?

[Vahn]

can i still make/get trial accounts? if so - where?

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/trialinvite.php

[Xentozz]

Why is there no Random Draft for MMR?

[robbiek1]

Why is there no Random Draft for MMR?
Probably because it isn't played alot.
Idk tho, I think it's a fun mode and I'd like to see it implemented ;)

~Robbie

[switchblade7]

Hey, I was wondering how do you bind items to specific keys(ex. PK to "T" key)? or is that just not possible? Thanks!

[crazysheep]

You can't bind specific items to a key. However, you can bind a specific item slot to a key, and then you always put the item you want to use in that slot. You can adjust keybinds in the Controls tab.

Example: You bind Item Slot 3 to T. Then you put your PK into that item slot. Voila, now you can hit T to use PK. This works for every item you put into Item Slot 3.

[Dragnmn]

That being said, this is probably moddable.

[Puttnix]

I wonder if minus armor gives extra damage to attacker, more that a regular attack?

Example: If the atacker has 100 damage and the target has -5 armor, is the attacker giving 125 damage?

[robbiek1]

I wonder if minus armor gives extra damage to attacker, more that a regular attack?

Example: If the atacker has 100 damage and the target has -5 armor, is the attacker giving 125 damage?
Yes. But it is increased by a %, the more difference from 0 armor, the less effect every 1 armor will have.(sounds weird, so here an example)
For example:
(not based on real numbers)
Someone with 10 armor gets 50% reduction
Someone with 15 armor gets 70% reduction
Someone with 20 armor gets 90% reduction

As you see, the first 10 armor does 50% reduction, while the 10-20(second 10 armor) only will do 40% reduction, meaning it will get less efficient for the last 10 armor.
(again, just an example, i made all the numbers up, just explaining.)

Same goes for -armor
For example:
(again, not based on real numbers)
Someone with -10 armor gets 50% more damage
Someone with -15 armor gets 70% more damage
Someone with -20 armor gets 90% more damage.

This all means, -armor makes you hit harder on the target, but don't go a completely as much -armor as possible, because it gets less efficient, the further you go.

~Robbie

[Puttnix]

Yes. But it is increased by a %, the more difference from 0 armor, the less effect every 1 armor will have.(sounds weird, so here an example)
For example:
(not based on real numbers)
Someone with 10 armor gets 50% reduction
Someone with 15 armor gets 70% reduction
Someone with 20 armor gets 90% reduction

As you see, the first 10 armor does 50% reduction, while the 10-20(second 10 armor) only will do 40% reduction, meaning it will get less efficient for the last 10 armor.
(again, just an example, i made all the numbers up, just explaining.)

Same goes for -armor
For example:
(again, not based on real numbers)
Someone with -10 armor gets 50% more damage
Someone with -15 armor gets 70% more damage
Someone with -20 armor gets 90% more damage.

This all means, -armor makes you hit harder on the target, but don't go a completely as much -armor as possible, because it gets less efficient, the further you go.

~Robbie

Thank you very much sir!

[Dragnmn]

Note to the armour: having -10 armour does NOT have the opposite effect of +10 armour, since the formulas for positive and negative armour are not the same. +10 armour makes you take 62% damage, -10 armour makes you take 146% damage. Also, the caps are 0% damage (100% reduction) for positive armour and 200% damage (-100% reduction) for negative armour. For the exact formulas see the FAQ in Mechanics.

[Vahn]

Yes. But it is increased by a %, the more difference from 0 armor, the less effect every 1 armor will have.(sounds weird, so here an example)
For example:
(not based on real numbers)
Someone with 10 armor gets 50% reduction
Someone with 15 armor gets 70% reduction
Someone with 20 armor gets 90% reduction

As you see, the first 10 armor does 50% reduction, while the 10-20(second 10 armor) only will do 40% reduction, meaning it will get less efficient for the last 10 armor.
(again, just an example, i made all the numbers up, just explaining.)

Same goes for -armor
For example:
(again, not based on real numbers)
Someone with -10 armor gets 50% more damage
Someone with -15 armor gets 70% more damage
Someone with -20 armor gets 90% more damage.

This all means, -armor makes you hit harder on the target, but don't go a completely as much -armor as possible, because it gets less efficient, the further you go.

~Robbie

This isn't true, going from 5 - 10 armour has the same overall effective health boost as 50 - 55.

For example,
if someone with 10 around has 50% resistance going from 10 - 20 gives you 75%, now going from 0 - 50% is halving the damage you take. Going from 50% - 75% is halving it once again.

[Nexigen]

So, how exactly does the "Draft" section of the "Strategy" subforum work ?.
I am making a guide in that section, but how to get it out of there ?

[robbiek1]

So, how exactly does the "Draft" section of the "Strategy" subforum work ?.
I am making a guide in that section, but how to get it out of there ?
I thought, your guide is in draft when under construction. When it's finished, someone should check it(not sure who), and it will be placed in either guides or premium guides when approved.

~Robbie

[Vahn]

So, how exactly does the "Draft" section of the "Strategy" subforum work ?.
I am making a guide in that section, but how to get it out of there ?

Post your un-finished guide there and work on it, when you have finished it PM one of the strategy moderators and ask them to move it to the guides section for you.

[Nexigen]

Allright, thank you =)

[Nexigen]

I got another question :
How do people attach these links in their Table of Contents in Guides ?
When you click a subject in the table, you automatically go there, just like a Hyperlink. I tried to do the same in my Guide with various HTML codes to achieve this, but it didnt work whatsoever.

[Vahn]

goto and anchor tags.

goto a goto b

anchor a


anchor b







goto a goto b

anchor a


anchor b

[Nexigen]

Thank you.
After having implemented this in my Guide, it is finished.
Thanks for the quick reactions.

[Anbelina]

Can anybody post a link detailing Kongor's starting stats and stat growth through the game? I searched the forums for awhile but couldn't find anything technical on it. Thanks.

[Anbelina]

Although the damage reduction %age has diminishing returns the higher your armor gets, every extra point in armor gives still you 6% more effective hp. So, stacking armor doesn't diminish in effect as you get more of it.

[Anbelina]

Regarding that last message (was intended to be a reply to an earlier post), how does one remove a message from the forums that they posted? Admittedly new to this.

[Decency]

Can anybody post a link detailing Kongor's starting stats and stat growth through the game? I searched the forums for awhile but couldn't find anything technical on it. Thanks.

http://honwiki.net/wiki/Kongor


Regarding that last message (was intended to be a reply to an earlier post), how does one remove a message from the forums that they posted? Admittedly new to this.

You can't delete posts, but you can edit it to say something like "accident, delete" or "double post" and then click the report button to the left. That'll alert moderators to it, who can delete posts.

[reveur81]

Quick question about Barbed armor.

Barbed Effects
Returns 80% of damage taken

If I play Electrician with electric shield, i return 80% of the damage taken after or before the absorption ? (80% or 80% of 50%?).

[Vahn]

after absorption, the damage that actually gets done to your hero is what gets returned.

[reveur81]

Ok, thank you very much.

[HombreBaby]

Does Shrunken Head affect any of Dark Woods abilities?

[Vahn]

Deadwoods first skill doesn't effect magic immune targets at all, second skill won't stun or slow but still damages. His ultimate is entirely physical and will damage and stun through magic immunity.

[HombreBaby]

Thanks chief!

[spdn4cr]

Hi all,

I have 2 questions regarding puppet master (one is really about shroud)

1) If you puppet show an enemy and he starts attacking an enemy creep and then another enemy hero moves into the radius will the puppet show'd enemy now attack the other enemy hero or continue attack the enemy creep he started with

2) when using shroud can you ulti the enemy hero and then attack the puppet and get the bonus damage from the shroud? ...or is the bonus damage eliminated when you cast your ultimate (in which case it might be better to attack the hero first out of shroud and then ult and/or puppet show).

Thanks!

[crazysheep]

Not too sure about the Puppet Show question, so I'll answer the one I know.


2) when using shroud can you ulti the enemy hero and then attack the puppet and get the bonus damage from the shroud? ...or is the bonus damage eliminated when you cast your ultimate (in which case it might be better to attack the hero first out of shroud and then ult and/or puppet show).

You are right in saying that the bonus damage is eliminated when you cast your ultimate as Puppet Master. However, the scenario that would give the highest damage is actually Ulti -> Shroud -> Attack voodoo puppet, not Shroud -> Attack hero -> Ulti.

[Decency]

As for the first question, he'll continue attacking the first target, the creep.

[TheKorken]

You are right in saying that the bonus damage is eliminated when you cast your ultimate as Puppet Master. However, the scenario that would give the highest damage is actually Ulti -> Shroud -> Attack voodoo puppet, not Shroud -> Attack hero -> Ulti.


Highest damage is actually Ulti -> Shroud -> Attack voodoo puppet (With the whirlsplash crit!)

[SugarHunter]

Witch Slayer - Hard Carry?


Many have been telling me that witch is a support but i completely disagree.
Last time i played him i went hardcarry since our actual carry which was madman failed in his farm.
So this was my build, Stun - Mana drain+ ulti. Thats my main spells and my item build was:

Bottle -> Striders -> Assassins shroud -> Harkons -> SotM -> Savage Mace/Mock/Charged hammmer/kuldras = Depending on which heroes i fought.

So, Try it and tell me what you think. I Won't take "F** Noob u sck,blablablabla he is a suppport or w/e.
Be creative and give me some serious feedback, No trolls allowed.

[NoScrub]

Witch Slayer - Hard Carry?


Many have been telling me that witch is a support but i completely disagree.
Last time i played him i went hardcarry since our actual carry which was madman failed in his farm.
So this was my build, Stun - Mana drain+ ulti. Thats my main spells and my item build was:

Bottle -> Striders -> Assassins shroud -> Harkons -> SotM -> Savage Mace/Mock/Charged hammmer/kuldras = Depending on which heroes i fought.

So, Try it and tell me what you think. I Won't take "F** Noob u sck,blablablabla he is a suppport or w/e.
Be creative and give me some serious feedback, No trolls allowed.

He's not a carry.
Sure he can do a lot of damage if not taking the pure support role but you can say that about any hero.
You could put those items on :ophe: and she'd be able to 'carry'. Hell if you put those items on :pupp: he would scale so much better than Witch slayer.

Witch Slayer is a support/ganker/initiator. Your job is to aid your team and allow the real carries to get kills.
I disagree with you saying that he is a carry but I will agree that he is very strong.

[Decency]

Witch Slayer - Hard Carry?


Many have been telling me that witch is a support but i completely disagree.
Last time i played him i went hardcarry since our actual carry which was madman failed in his farm.
So this was my build, Stun - Mana drain+ ulti. Thats my main spells and my item build was:

Bottle -> Striders -> Assassins shroud -> Harkons -> SotM -> Savage Mace/Mock/Charged hammmer/kuldras = Depending on which heroes i fought.

So, Try it and tell me what you think. I Won't take "F** Noob u sck,blablablabla he is a suppport or w/e.
Be creative and give me some serious feedback, No trolls allowed.

Here are things carries have:

- Scaling spells
- High stat gain (especially AGI)
- Good farming/mobility.

Witch Slayer is a big 0/3.

Any hero can carry against bad opponents, but Witch Slayer is probably one of the 10 worst heroes in the game for doing so.

[SugarHunter]

Here are things carries have:

- Scaling spells
- High stat gain (especially AGI)
- Good farming/mobility.

Witch Slayer is a big 0/3.

Any hero can carry against bad opponents, but Witch Slayer is probably one of the 10 worst heroes in the game for doing so.

i see.. Seriously sad about that, I figure him as a perfect carry but.. I'll be back with different builds and such. Thx.

[zimmiz]

My problem is that i cant drag the camera outside the map. I have just reinstalled hon because i had mods that i wanted to remove. On my old install i could drag camera outside the map but now it stops at the edge of the map. So how do i do to fix that?

[natiko]

Why do people get a hatchet for Wildsoul's bear? I've played WS multiple times (I'm a great jungler) and I always put hatchet in Wildsoul rather than in his bear. He attacks 46-50 in level 1, whereas his bear attacks 28-38. And Wildsoul attacks 0.714 times per second, whilst the bear attacks 0.571 times per second. So why do people use hatchet on bear?

[iDoPenguins]

Why do people get a hatchet for Wildsoul's bear? I've played WS multiple times (I'm a great jungler) and I always put hatchet in Wildsoul rather than in his bear. He attacks 46-50 in level 1, whereas his bear attacks 28-38. And Wildsoul attacks 0.714 times per second, whilst the bear attacks 0.571 times per second. So why do people use hatchet on bear?
I'm not 100% on this but i get hatchet on his bear rather than him because if i remember correctly, Hatchet on his bear gives extra 30% damage where as ranged is 12% extra damage.

If someone could correct to EXACTS would be good, think im close though.
So in the long run your bear benefits from it more than what you would =)

[CoreStaff]

Hello , I have this problem about 2 weeeks now and i dont know how it started... i join a game on match making and getting crash. i reboot then i can join normal. but im srsly bored of rebooting all the time :(. Please if its possible , help me

[Suwaaa]

I dunno. I did some number crunching below to show the benefits of hatchet.
(Hatchet gives 12% to range, 32% to melee btw)

LVL 1
WS: 46-50, avg = 48
WS w/ hatchet: 51.52-56, avg = 53.76
Bear: 28-38, avg = 33
Bear w/ Hatchet: 36.96-50.16, avg = 43.56
Advantage: WS

LVL 2 (Going Natural Attunement)
WS: 48-52, avg = 50
WS w/: 53.76-58.24, avg = 56
Bear: 38-48, avg = 43
Bear w/: 50.16-63.36, avg = 56.76
Advantage: Bear

LVL 3 (Going Bear)
WS: 51-55, avg = 53
WS w/: 57.12-61.6, avg = 59.36
Bear: 38-48, avg = 43
Bear w/: 50.16-63.36, avg = 56.76
Advantage: WS

LVL 3 (Going Natural Attunement)
WS: 51-55, avg = 53
WS w/: 57.12-61.6, avg = 59.36
Bear: 48-58, avg = 53
Bear w/: 63.36-76.56, avg = 69.96
Advantage: Bear

[Mr_Ipsta]

you get 6 runes of blight 1 pretenders crown 1 hatchet. Then you build up your steamboots. Next you can either get codex or frostburn. Then you can get wingbow

[Mr_Ipsta]

Does frostburn stack with Kuldra's sheepstick for Bombardier? What are the combative items I should get for bombardier once I get fat

[crazysheep]

Does frostburn stack with Kuldra's sheepstick for Bombardier? What are the combative items I should get for bombardier once I get fat

Frostburn should stack with Sheepstick on Bomb, since Frostburn is an attack modifier but Sheepstick isn't.

However I would suggest getting Spellshards on a fat Bombardier, since it synergises with all of his skills.

[Freeskier31]

I dunno. I did some number crunching below to show the benefits of hatchet.
(Hatchet gives 12% to range, 32% to melee btw)

LVL 1
WS: 46-50, avg = 48
WS w/ hatchet: 51.52-56, avg = 53.76
Bear: 28-38, avg = 33
Bear w/ Hatchet: 36.96-50.16, avg = 43.56
Advantage: WS

LVL 2 (Going Natural Attunement)
WS: 48-52, avg = 50
WS w/: 53.76-58.24, avg = 56
Bear: 38-48, avg = 43
Bear w/: 50.16-63.36, avg = 56.76
Advantage: Bear

LVL 3 (Going Bear)
WS: 51-55, avg = 53
WS w/: 57.12-61.6, avg = 59.36
Bear: 38-48, avg = 43
Bear w/: 50.16-63.36, avg = 56.76
Advantage: WS

LVL 3 (Going Natural Attunement)
WS: 51-55, avg = 53
WS w/: 57.12-61.6, avg = 59.36
Bear: 48-58, avg = 53
Bear w/: 63.36-76.56, avg = 69.96
Advantage: Bear

Actually, look at how much WS gains at lvl 1 compared to his bear.
WS + 6.36 damage
Bear + 13 damage

Still is better to give to your bear at 1

[Rooftrellen]

How do I disable the new shop and get the old shop back !? Please please please get me out of this nightmare new shop garbage !!!!!

I heard there is a command for this !!!!

[Dragnmn]

I think it's "setsave cg_useNewShop2 false".

[AbsurdBunny]

I usually get flamed at because my buys are really bad, and I want to know, what should I get at the start of the game and the end? I usually don't know what to get at the beginning, but then get what I need in midgame, like if I need more health, I get health items and pots, but I don't know what else to buy ingame. Help anybody?

[Decency]

I usually get flamed at because my buys are really bad, and I want to know, what should I get at the start of the game and the end? I usually don't know what to get at the beginning, but then get what I need in midgame, like if I need more health, I get health items and pots, but I don't know what else to buy ingame. Help anybody?

At the start of the game you want to buy basic stat and regeneration items. This will let you stay in your lane for longer and not have to go back and heal frequently. If you are a ranged hero who will be going to a sidelane, you most likely are expected to buy either a courier or two wards. This will help you immensely.

As for specific item buys, it completely depends on what hero you're playing. The guides system can be helpful here, as can Prodex (http://www.nigmanoname.com/prodex.html).

[Dragnmn]

Prodex doesn't show starting items though. Try the "Guide to all heroes" in the Premium guides forum, it's nice and concise and does show starting items.

[pookyfied]

will s2 ever make more item slots?

[Dragnmn]

Probably not, since the game is balanced around having 6 item slots.

[Jebus_Chris]

How exactly does valk's ult work? Countless times we've been attacked while under the spell when they have no detection and I've done the same to other valks.

[crazysheep]

How exactly does valk's ult work? Countless times we've been attacked while under the spell when they have no detection and I've done the same to other valks.

There is a 2.5/2/1.5 second fade time on Valkyrie's Prism, so you can still attack them while the affected heroes gain invis.

Source: HoNWiki (http://honwiki.net/wiki/Valkyrie)

[Dominare]

I dunno. I did some number crunching below to show the benefits of hatchet.

The whole point of hatchet is to compete with lane opponents for early lasthits. Wildsoul is jungling, i.e. not competing with anyone, so he doesn't need a hatchet. If you want more early damage for killing neutrals, get a couple of duck boots. They only cost slightly more gold, add AS/Armor as well as damage, can be built into other items, and work against heroes for ganking.

[Decency]

The whole point of hatchet is to compete with lane opponents for early lasthits. Wildsoul is jungling, i.e. not competing with anyone, so he doesn't need a hatchet. If you want more early damage for killing neutrals, get a couple of duck boots. They only cost slightly more gold, add AS/Armor as well as damage, can be built into other items, and work against heroes for ganking.

This is untrue, he can benefit from a hatchet because not only does it increase his bear's damage tremendously (it attacks faster than him and thus gains much more DPS from its use) but it also allows camps to be pulled, stacked, and maneuvered between more easily due to its tree cutting ability.

[utmost]

E: Wrong theard.

[Decency]

Is anyone able to find the (now outdated) thread that listed hero changes by versions from beta to release? It listed how every hero had been nerfed/buffed over time by patches, was really useful.

[Vahn]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=64485
Balance section archive.

[TTDhunter]

how do we install custom maps pm me plz

[faian]

Is there any way to enable the old skill description via console command? I mean u can enable old shop using cg_usenewshop2 false. I want to have it in my startup.cfg

[Dragnmn]

There's no need to do it manually through console, there is an option "Use detailed tooltips" somewhere in the menu.

[faian]

ye but everytime i restart the game its unclicked again :(
edit: he somehow magically saved it now :-\

[Dragnmn]

It's the line SetSave "cg_useLongTooltips" "false" (or "true") in startup.cfg, line 266 in mine.

[Hoody]

I have been looking into all of the new maps like tower defence custom maps. And it says to put the map into the HoN folder under maps. I have done that and it shows up in HoN, but when I go to host it, it just stays there and doesnt host, is there something im missing?

[robbiek1]

I have been looking into all of the new maps like tower defence custom maps. And it says to put the map into the HoN folder under maps. I have done that and it shows up in HoN, but when I go to host it, it just stays there and doesnt host, is there something im missing?
You can't host custom maps online yet.

~Robbie

[JiveTurkey]

What is the general thing to do when you're behind in gold/levels and you need to catch up? Once I fall behind, I find it very difficult to farm because I'm either sitting in my base terrified, out trying to put up wards and getting ganked, or out trying to farm and getting ganked some more. This has been a problem of mine the entire time I've been playing HoN. I have a very hard time recovering if I get shut down early game.

[V1linh]

What is the general thing to do when you're behind in gold/levels and you need to catch up? Once I fall behind, I find it very difficult to farm because I'm either sitting in my base terrified, out trying to put up wards and getting ganked, or out trying to farm and getting ganked some more. This has been a problem of mine the entire time I've been playing HoN. I have a very hard time recovering if I get shut down early game.

Try not to go alone. Usually at that point in the game the other team has map control with wards. You need to go with a couple buddies to counter ward your jungle and other places you suspect wards to be. Also you need to determine the best thing to do. If your team has the late game, turtle and farm the forest safely. If not, then maybe convince your team to push. Often times a couple of won team fights can shoot you up a couple levels.

[JiveTurkey]

Try not to go alone. Usually at that point in the game the other team has map control with wards. You need to go with a couple buddies to counter ward your jungle and other places you suspect wards to be. Also you need to determine the best thing to do. If your team has the late game, turtle and farm the forest safely. If not, then maybe convince your team to push. Often times a couple of won team fights can shoot you up a couple levels.

I find that if I go with anyone else on my team, they end up taking a lot of the creep kills and sapping my XP, and when a team fight happens, I feel like I'm just as likely to be killed there than if i was alone.

[Dragnmn]

I find that if I go with anyone else on my team, they end up taking a lot of the creep kills and sapping my XP, and when a team fight happens, I feel like I'm just as likely to be killed there than if i was alone.

Tell them to stay close but out of XP-range. That way they can still save you in case of a gank (or at least counter-gank) but there is no way for them to leech XP or take creep kills.

[Old_Gregg_]

If you buy two orbs which one takes effect.

I.e. if you bought an orb early in the game and wanted life steal later on, would it be an option?

[Decency]

Above your minimap there will be pictures of each orb you have. You can click between them to change on the fly, or use hotkeys ( , and . by default, I believe).

[Old_Gregg_]

Above your minimap there will be pictures of each orb you have. You can click between them to change on the fly, or use hotkeys ( , and . by default, I believe).

Holy **** that is awesome. So you can get lifesteal and frostburn.

use lifesteal all the time, then if youre chasing/need to slow someone switch them over. Awesome!!

[iDoPenguins]

Does Vindi's "Glyph of Silence" Stop Arma's Ult when he quil sprays or snots?

[Vahn]

Armadons ultimate is a passive which means it's completely unaffected from silences (only two passive are affected by silence because they are specifically coded to disable when silenced), well apart from being unable to cast spells to trigger it.
In answer to your question, his ultimate will work normally when casting spells in range of Vindicators Glyph of Silence