Valkyrie

[Ales1]

Please increase speed of arrow and her attack animation.

I've seen paraplegics move faster than both of them, the javelin of light should not move the speed of bubbles.

[kingcomrade]

lol potm underpowered! needs buff!

She's got some of the most powerful and mana efficient nukes in the game, you should not be guaranteed to get a 5 second stun from halfway across the map

[Ales1]

I didn't ask for a buff, i asked for attack animation increase and a cast animation increase. Her arrow is nigh-impossible to hit from farther than point blank or from a ledge because it moves so slow. I'm pretty sure lycanthrope or madman could outrun it. Her arrow shouldnt be that much increased, but it does need one.

Her attack animation should move like 6000000% faster imo, im throwing javelins not feathers

[Elaeli]

Hey, I got an idea, let's make the arrow targetted instead! Then you wouldn't need the silly clumsy aiming to actually stun enemies, how about that? And lets make the ult a permanent passive ability while we are at it!


.. /facepalm

[slime]

Have any of you (besides ales) actually played Valkyrie yet? Just wonderin'...

[Idejder]

It's the same speed as POTM's.

[Jake]

Played a game and got lasthits easy. Personally I like her attack animation more than Mirana's. And btw Valkyrie got some buffs: Attack speed bonus after using leap and ulti wont fall of if you use spells or attacks.

[Osiris]

Played a game and got lasthits easy. Personally I like her attack animation more than Mirana's. And btw Valkyrie got some buffs: Attack speed bonus after using leap and ulti wont fall of if you use spells or attacks.

I think that's exactly how PotM's spells worked in DotA.

@topic: her spell and attack animation has been copied 100%.

[Ales1]

I think that's exactly how PotM's spells worked in DotA.

@topic: her spell and attack animation has been copied 100%.

She shot arrows in DotA, are you a moron? Her ultimate was a 45 second invis or something that was gone as soon as you attacked or casted a spell. And leap was move speed only. You obviously don't know what you're talking about at all and I would appreciate it if you just stopped posting in this thread.

Her arrow may be same speed, that's fine. I'm more worried about the fact that her attack animation IS EXTREMELY SLOW.

(by comparison no one elses moves that slow, period. NO ONES. She has 38 base damage, also fine because she casts. It's the fact that she attacks soooo slow, and i was against arachna which made last hitting virtually impossible. mainly because arachna had double my damage at level 1)

[Osiris]

She shot arrows in DotA, are you a moron? Her ultimate was a 45 second invis or something that was gone as soon as you attacked or casted a spell. And leap was move speed only. You obviously don't know what you're talking about at all and I would appreciate it if you just stopped posting in this thread.

Her arrow may be same speed, that's fine. I'm more worried about the fact that her attack animation IS EXTREMELY SLOW.



Look here before you are flaming me! (http://www.playdota.com/heroes/51)

And her attack animation is exactly the same either.

[fedexpeon]

She shot arrows in DotA, are you a moron? Her ultimate was a 45 second invis or something that was gone as soon as you attacked or casted a spell. And leap was move speed only. You obviously don't know what you're talking about at all and I would appreciate it if you just stopped posting in this thread.


So ironic....
Leap gives you an attkspeed bonus.

[Ales1]

Ok, you got me on the IAS on a skill that is really completely irrelevant to jack **** I'm saying.

You got lucky, i know this because you said her attack animation was exactly the same (this is virtually impossible, because valkyrie has javelins and potm had a bow and arrow. To even suggest such a statement is pretty much as thick-headed as you get.)

either way, her attack animation has no justification for being that slow. Her arm moves relatively fast and the resulting javelin moves an inch every other second across the screen (hyperbole).

[Darkstrand]

Just played her myself, she's fine. l2p

[ubidat]

Only problem with her currently is that Javelin of light hits Enemy Siege Units... which it didn't do in DotA.. o_O

-ubi

[Ales1]

Yes the hero is fine I did fine with her as well. I'm just saying its unnatural for a javelin to be throwing spears that move like they are going through water while demented shaman throws hammers that move twice their speed.

It's inconsistent with the assumption that an agility hero should have a faster attack effect (like arachna, slither, and every other ranged hero in the game excluding maybe hellbringer)

[_Wolf_]

First off, Never played Dota. Dont like WC, onto the feedback.

Need more armor points, since she is wearing some and a shield.
Increase movement speed to 325 since she has wings and should move faster being a "warrior" of Myth.

Javelin of Light Needs some tweaking, it doesn't go in an arch and is rather slow compared to her throwing animation.

-=Update=-
Played her abit more, she seems rather underpowered along with her AOE(but just slightly on the AOE) her base stats 17-20-17 is kinda...garbage for someone that's suppose to be a legend. maybe 20-25-20 is best for her str,agi,int.

She starts out with 1.80 armor that, i think, is the LOWEST armor rating on any character so far. Got hit with Pest's ultra i had -1.20 armor, one hit on full Hp and i would be gone if i didn't book it. Lastly, her base dmg is freakin pathetic i was with a Swiftblad and he had no equip at the start while i had two Pretender's Crown and 3 small totems, and BARELY had 2 more dmg points then him >.>

-=Update 2=-

I just played her to lvl 22 with her AOE maxed out, she cant really kill anything. She just doesnt do enough DMG for being an offensive character. Also, her mana was only around 700 by this lvl too. And with each of her skills taking 100+ mana every use, she just can't stay and fight. Last night, useing her Javilan is rather difficult because it sometimes jsut hits the ground 50ft short of where you click.

I think thats about it, once those get touched up she should be a equal force to reckon with like all the other AGI's. Also, i noticed this last match that even when i used her ultra, the enemy was still able to attack my team while they were invis, i checked their gear and none had eyes or were near towers.

[echo1]

Need more armor points, since she is wearing some and a shield.
Increase movement speed to 325 since she has wings and should move faster being a "warrior" of Myth.

Javelin of Light Needs some tweaking, it doesn't go in an arch and is rather slow compared to her throwing animation.

Lol'ed at this. (I know its a joke)

hilarious, great parody of ales

[Logravity]

Her ult already needs fixing lol, invis while you can still attack is imba.

Either than that, her other skills seems to be okay not having any difficulties with it.

[Mizarus]

the hero got implemented a couple of hours ago, and she already needs to be buffed, gotta love this comunity..

[Sw4n]

leap needs nerf, can dodge stuns with it just like you can with blink

[_Wolf_]

leap needs nerf, can dodge stuns with it just like you can with blink

pending on what type of stun, if its say an aoe stun from a spell and she "leaps" away then yea she shouldnt be affected, there is no up and down aoe in this game :-p just radius.

[xTheUntitled]

pending on what type of stun, if its say an aoe stun from a spell and she "leaps" away then yea she shouldnt be affected, there is no up and down aoe in this game :-p just radius.

Sarcasm. You have missed it.

[_Wolf_]

Sarcasm. You have missed it.

yep, no emotes used, cant tell if you are since its not voiced.

[Krangry]

leap needs nerf, can dodge stuns with it just like you can with blink
Always been able to do this....

[Bahamut]

the hero got implemented a couple of hours ago, and she already needs to be buffed, gotta love this comunity..

i actally was surprised they didnt call for a nerf lol

[sterls]

the radius of collision needs to be smaller, javelins land over one full hero radius away from target. I could have fit two potm arrows thru some of those gaps.

[sunjo]

Did PotM's Starfall in DotA hit stealthed units? Because I just played a game where we were facing a Night Hound and a Scout and our Valkyrie killed them multiple times throughout the game with the Starfall equivalent spell when they were stealthed. I can't remember if it hit stealth in DotA or not. Oh and I disagree on the arrow speed. After watching it, it looks the same as the arrow in DotA.

[Tyrando]

Just played her myself, she's fine. l2p

QFT

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She makes a good Anti Darkness Falls aswell.

[_Wolf_]

Updated my first post on the first page for the final time. Done playing with her till she's buffed.

[Lethe]

QFT

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She makes a good Anti Darkness Falls aswell.

pfft thats more due to CoD being nerfed then valkyrie being introduced.

I ALREADY MISS DL

[awesomesauc1]

idk if u people ever played potm in dota or not, but you are obviously not playing valkyrie right if you think shes underpowered. valkyrie is an early-mid game ganker who should be rune-whoring all game long and not be in a lane more than 2 mins at a time, due to going to gank. go read a potm guide to learn how to play her if you think she needs buffed

[SuperStanos]

I can see ulti getting nerfed even though its countered by wards/dust. It really seems out of whack to be invis through EVERYTHING.

[AngelicXx]

Do not think of Valkyrie as a DPS solo assasin agi DPS omfg carry hero.


Valkyrie is a PLAY MAKER. Her arrow makes her hero, because of the ranged 5 second stun and the powerful 360dmg, and then the AoE is just a nice bread and butter skill to deal damage (pretty nice dmg too) in an area during a team fight. Her ult is to help her team initiate and her 3rd skill is just to chase/escape skill, nothing else.


When you play Valkryie, you are playing one of the BEST TEAM HERO in the game.
You are ALL about the assists when you play her, not about the solo gank kills, because it doesnt happen.

[Valkyrie5]

you guys are silly.
i just went 18-4 with her, attack animation is fine, javelin speed is fine, ult is fine, its the same hero. i dont know why anyone is complaining, shes the same as in dota. seriously.

those who suggest more armor and speed because of her appearance.. well she's based off mirana, a half naked night elf on a tiger. i dunno either. she can jump a mile and gets a speed bonus, good enough for me.

[Fuji1]

leap needs nerf, can dodge stuns with it just like you can with blink

lol are you dumb? it requiers skills to do so, l2p its perfectly fine

[MoonQueen]

you guys are silly.
i just went 18-4 with her, attack animation is fine, javelin speed is fine, ult is fine, its the same hero. i dont know why anyone is complaining, shes the same as in dota. seriously.

those who suggest more armor and speed because of her appearance.. well she's based off mirana, a half naked night elf on a tiger. i dunno either. she can jump a mile and gets a speed bonus, good enough for me.

Gasp another Hero clone >:O THIS MEANS WAR

[Ales1]

I am not associated with any of the buffing suggestions at all...

I just said her javelin looked slow as **** when she threw it. Others went off on their own tangents >_>

[Simba]

Yes the hero is fine I did fine with her as well. I'm just saying its unnatural for a javelin to be throwing spears that move like they are going through water while demented shaman throws hammers that move twice their speed.

It's inconsistent with the assumption that an agility hero should have a faster attack effect (like arachna, slither, and every other ranged hero in the game excluding maybe hellbringer)
PROTIP: Arrows travel faster than javelins, IRL.
PROTIP#2: It's a video game.

[Aegd]

I've not yet tried her, but I played VS her and the arrows/javelins seemed to move fast enough. I would argue that they're harder to dodge than in DOTA, since the cast animation seem faster (nonexistent?) in HoN while you could she her casting the arrow from a mile away in DOTA (and it was way easy to dodge).

[Fest1]

It needs to be as fast as hook or it's useless unless they're point blank. This isn't DOTA. Stop thinking just because it's a hero from DOTA it'll be the same exact thing.

And Potm was no where near OP in DOTA. She was extremely counterable, just like any other hero in DOTA.

[Travakh]

Potm is fine in this game.

Out of all heroes potm is probably the one most reliant on player skill. Good potms turn games, bad potms are useless.

[KARTlK]

Only problem with her currently is that Javelin of light hits Enemy Siege Units... which it didn't do in DotA.. o_O

-ubi

Only problem with Mirana right now.

[Fest1]

Potm is fine in this game.

Out of all heroes potm is probably the one most reliant on player skill. Good potms turn games, bad potms are useless.

You can literally say this for any heroe in HoN. Would you say this game is 100% perfectly balanced between all heroes?

[Travakh]

You can literally say this for any heroe in HoN. Would you say this game is 100% perfectly balanced between all heroes?

Haha, no you can't. There are several heroes that are more error friendly, a newbie ogre mage can perform his role in team battles perfectly fine.

A newbie potm is just feed for the enemy team; there's no exaggerating how completely, comically useless a bad PotM player is. Bad svens can stun, bad axes can run in and taunt, a bad potm can do virtually nothing.

[Fest1]

It's definitely possible to play bad ogre magis. I've seen it happen countless times. Every hero is devastating when played by the right person, and every hero is useless when played by someone with an IQ of 2.

I don't see why the speed of arrow being as fast as the speed of hook is a bad thing. If anything, it should be faster than hook since a good hook(once they fix ledges) is almost always more devastating than a good arrow.

[Mugenrider]

Am I the only one that does not like her model/animations? =X

[_Wolf_]

Am I the only one that does not like her model/animations? =X

animations fine, model+skin low production quality = looks like poop

[DMITRY420]

I don't like her model/animations either. I'd prefer her to look more like this:
http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/valkyrie-lenneth-statue.jpg

[HonStinks]

looks like an anime character which makes it extremely obnoxious

[DMITRY420]

Don't know if that was aimed at my post, but I'm going to assume so. I don't know where that character is from, I just found it on google images.

[TrueLolzor]

I attacked neutral creeps in ult and they attacked me in answer =O

[BananaLove1]

Recude de radius of javelin's hit or make it more consecuent with the graphics, its really easy to hit something but hard to calculate good precise arrows.

Also make it unable to hit siege units.

[Lexi00]

My only issue with Valk is her looks. She just seems really undetailed and basic compared to some of the other heroes.

[Mugenrider]

Haha, no you can't. There are several heroes that are more error friendly, a newbie ogre mage can perform his role in team battles perfectly fine.

A newbie potm is just feed for the enemy team; there's no exaggerating how completely, comically useless a bad PotM player is. Bad svens can stun, bad axes can run in and taunt, a bad potm can do virtually nothing.
I thought so too! But Wow! I was proven wrong! Accursed TRIED to dps, so he couldn't tank. His ultimate comes up, he RUNS so he doesn't get healed and then he gets killed. Blacksmith lost the game with no kills and 14 deaths! They had low health heroes too! like..2 agi, 2 ints with barely any health items. It was such a terrible game :(

[BureMakutte]

I just played 2 games with her no problem. First game we lost but that was due to some bad teammates and we were down a hero. I still went something like 17-7

Second game i played we won, 9-3 if i remember correctly.

Bottle on Valkyrie is so much win.

[_Wolf_]

looks like an anime character which makes it extremely obnoxious

haha no, thats not an anime character, thats a model from Valkyrie Chronicles game and thats what i was going to suggest they use as a reference too. Nothing anime about it, and anime is the **** my friend!

[kingcomrade]

a bad potm can do virtually nothingExcept escape, use her high damage large AoE nuke that double taps, and hit people with arrows at short range which still does the full 300+ damage.
A bad player will do bad with any hero. PotM is not really special, just powerful. I really don't get why she got such a huge fan club who say things like how perfectly perfect perfect immaculately perfectly balanced she is.

Nothing anime about it, and anime is the **** my friend!Anime style lacks creativity.

[Darkstrand]

leap needs nerf, can dodge stuns with it just like you can with blink

This is intended..

[Verbati]

just played her, and tbh... easier to get last hits with than potm in dota, and the javelin of light seem to be just the same speed as in dota. however, it hits creeps when it seems like its going past it, stupid hitbox :(

Keep her this way, shes <3!

[Zenmaza]

You can use Phase Boots to stop the javelin from hitting you. It's pretty hilarious.

[Sw4n]

This is intended..

you cant dodge stormbolt/magic missile in dota with leap. you used to and they nerfed it because she was absurd. you can dodge stormbolt in this game.

[_Wolf_]

Anime style lacks creativity.

are you stupid? Anime is one of the most Creative art forms on this planet....

ontopic: yea just read my bullets on page one.

[darkgriffin]

fix where people can jump to. It seems they can jump into the woods where no one can get at them, and then jump out of it later to safety. Woods near bottom tower for hellborne side is one area. not sure how many others there are.

[Darkstrand]

you cant dodge stormbolt/magic missile in dota with leap. you used to and they nerfed it because she was absurd. you can dodge stormbolt in this game.

Yes you can... You have to time it just right, you can't just leap as soon as they cast it.. Wait till the projectile is mid-flight, leap and it'll miss you. That easy.

There's a reason PotM is such a top pick in competitive play.

[SpeedyMcFast]

The AoE nuke of Valkyrie is kind of sick now.
It didn't used to hit invisible targets or those outside her field of vision, but now it does.
And on top of that the area of effect feels larger, but that might just be because it hits outside her FoV.

[_Archangel_]

I didn't ask for a buff, i asked for attack animation increase and a cast animation increase. Her arrow is nigh-impossible to hit from farther than point blank or from a ledge because it moves so slow. I'm pretty sure lycanthrope or madman could outrun it. Her arrow shouldnt be that much increased, but it does need one.

Her attack animation should move like 6000000% faster imo, im throwing javelins not feathers

Maybe you're just a terrible Valkyrie player if you can't hit Javelins. I hit them fine. Attack animation is also fine. It's about the same speed as PotM's projectile in DotA.