Why is it that Naix can hurt tanks and Predator cant.

[Harrypotte2]

It seems like his lifesteal isnt working properly, or I dont know what I am doing wrong.

Naix could eat junks of hp of a tank in mere seconds. While predator is only tickling them... And this is a predator with ult fully charged (tanks I attacked werent overfarmed)

Could someone explain this?

[Rippsy]

I made the mistake of not noticing it was activatable :(

[RenoFox]

What? His life steal is an active skill?

[Paragon]

No. The tooltip even specified 'this is a passive ability' or some such.

I've never had a problem taking tanks down in HP with Predator, but he has a real tough time actually killing anything since his lifesteal (and therefore damage output) diminish greatly when his targets are low on HP. Keep in mind, though, that a tank with high HP will still go down slower than a caster, since his lifesteal deals the same % damage based on current HP but his melee damage is static. It is also the case that tank heroes tend to have higher than average armor and frequently carry protective items (Vanguard being the classic example) that further mitigate damage.

Predator's ult needs a small buff; right now he's not a very scary hero.

[Munchkin1]

Works fine for me and its definatily not an activate skill its passive

[Kietharr]

We need necrolyte so he can reaper's scythe people Predator brings down to halfish.

[Glorify1]

Because predator doesn't have 2 things.

Magic immunity with 80% attack speed.

Open wounds that holds them in place to make the most out of the ias buff.

I've purposefully made it my mission to KS and creep really good with him. I ended up coming up with Armlet, heart, deso, treads and still couldn't really dominate in a team fight like naix can.

I also noticed the same thing. Seems to me that it's some glitch in coding either in HoN or in War3.

I know that naix can take down any hero with treads/armlet withing 5-6 strikes. Though the instant 80% attack speed from Rage helps a lot.

His ulti is a bad idea I think.

[Glorify1]

No, naix needs deso to take out most heroes, because his damage severely weakens when he lowers them down lower. Deso provides that armor piercing capability and the finishing damage.

[Kien2]

His ult and that +armor bonus on magic immunity skill don't fit his role AT ALL

[kingcomrade]

I agree his ult kind of sucks, it's basically the same thing as Madman's. He also has a blink strike slow...just like Madman, only it's just single target. Maybe a little bit of creativity?

[Paragon]

The armor bonus is good; it makes the skill into a general-purpose survival option, instead of an anti-caster only. The problem with Predator (as compared to Naix) is that he really, really desperately needs attack speed, and his ult won't give it to him when it matters in team fights.


He also has a blink strike slow...just like Madman
Madman doesn't have a blink strike. His roll is sort of similar, but does less damage and is a good deal harder to target properly. Predator and Madman have very little in common. Madman's ult is clearly just better in basically all situations other than autoattacking creep waves.

[Paragon]

Barrel Roll is not Blink Strike, and doesn't work the same way. It is an AoE skill that should almost never be targeted on a specific hero. It is not guaranteed to place you right next to the hero of your choice, as Blink Strike and similar abilities will. You could certainly use Barrel Roll for this purpose, and good Madman players can and do, but it's not really the same kind of ability.

Madman and Predator do not play in anything like the same way. They have almost nothing in common.

[kingcomrade]

Barrel Roll is not Blink Strike, and doesn't work the same way.ಠ_ಠ

venomous leap- does damage, moves you to the target, slows
barrel roll- does damage, moves you to the target, slows
blink strike- does damage, moves you to the target


They have almost nothing in common.
Except 2 skills

[Rippsy]

ಠ_ಠ

venomous leap- does damage, moves you to the target, slows - OVER ANY TERRIAN
barrel roll- does damage, moves you to the target, slows
blink strike- does damage, moves you to the target - OVER ANY TERRIAN


Except 2 skills

Do not confuse the difference between blink and travel skills :)

But yes, for other in-lane purposes they are the same :)

[kingcomrade]

Do not confuse the difference between blink and travel skillsUh. Blink skills move your character, "travel" skills, a term I think you just made up, move your character? What, exactly, is the difference? There isn't one.

[Woolygimp]

Because barrel roll is an escape ability, duhh and a very good one at that.

Venomous leap is an ability that places you in melee range of heroes that will dominate you because predator sucks ass.

[Dux0r]

Uh. Blink skills move your character, "travel" skills, a term I think you just made up, move your character? What, exactly, is the difference? There isn't one.


The difference is that blink teleports, i.e making you physically disappear and reappear in another location. Travel skills just make you move (generally very quickly) towards a location.

A good example of this is:

Magebane: he can blink up cliffs
dark lady: she cant

[kingcomrade]

That's splitting hairs a bit.

[SWARM_THEM]

That's splitting hairs a bit.
well it's still a big difference. madman can use barrel roll to initiate or to escape, while predator's leap can only initiate. predator can't even escape with leap like, say, nighthound can with his own blink strike, cuz predator can't target his own creeps with leap.

[Hydribisium]

The difference is that blink teleports, i.e making you physically disappear and reappear in another location. Travel skills just make you move (generally very quickly) towards a location.

A good example of this is:

Magebane: he can blink up cliffs
dark lady: she cant

soo does this make chronos time leap a blink or a travel skill. he physically moves form point A to point B like dark lady does but can travel through trees and up cliffs like a blink.

[_Archangel_]

No, naix needs deso to take out most heroes, because his damage severely weakens when he lowers them down lower. Deso provides that armor piercing capability and the finishing damage.

Disagree; having Armlet + Powertreads at 20 minutes lets you three/four-shot low-HP intelligence heroes around midgame.

[Rocky_Felix]

Doesn't life steal stack with his carnivore ability? Which makes him extremely difficult to kill Tank vs Predator. Unless he gets stunned

[Harrypotte2]

Disagree; having Armlet + Powertreads at 20 minutes lets you three/four-shot low-HP intelligence heroes around midgame.

^^ This.

When my predator tries this (with his ult activated and a few charges, approx the same as naix enrage 80% ias), the casters just say lol and walk away.

[Rawful]

I noticed the same thing. One way I tried testing it was by heading over to the ancients. In Dota, once you are around level 10-11 you can kill the ancients no problem, and leave with max hp. In HoN, with the same items, this is just not the case. I usually end up leaving with yellow or red hp.

[FiNGERS]

soo does this make chronos time leap a blink or a travel skill. he physically moves form point A to point B like dark lady does but can travel through trees and up cliffs like a blink.

Pseudo-blink ability. :cool:

[SuperStanos]

The problem with predator that I've seen is that as someone mentioned it's simply too easy to run away from him. He really needs someone to snare to make him decent, much less amazing.

Definitely think he needs an improvement or two.

[SWARM_THEM]

predator's been buffed :) his ult now has aura which reduces armor in AOE, it's like free desolator aura!

[GaIactic]

That's splitting hairs a bit.

Not really, it's one of the main differences between predator sucking (previously) vs madman being very good.

^_-;

[GaIactic]

The problem with predator that I've seen is that as someone mentioned it's simply too easy to run away from him. He really needs someone to snare to make him decent, much less amazing.

Definitely think he needs an improvement or two.

Yeah predator needs a slowing ability like Sange or even a diffusal, but that's a lot of extra money to farm...

^_-;

[Castolo]

That's not really a problem. In dota, naix's slow gives increased lifesteal, and predator's not.

[Verbati]

anyone of you that actually have read is lifesteal ability? its 6% of the targets current hp! in other words, attack someone with 4k hp, with your ulti up, you seriously can't die whit this hero.

and his leap works great as the slow, and get enchanted marchers, and most heroes can't get away from him.