The Black Knight (female tank)

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

The Black Knight
tank counter int/ranged classes


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/woman.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/horse-1.jpg
Looks:
Black armor with touches of gold, mounted on a black steed with white hair, a jousting rod as a weapon - with the toggle team colors on it


Idle Actions:
Horse paws ground and tail flicks, knight gazes around


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Starting Stats/Info


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/headimage.jpg


STR: 24
AGI: 18
INT: 13


Melee
95 Range
Hellborn
Movment: 320
(horse boosts start off speed)
mana: 350
hp: 550


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Story:
Once a noble knight with glory and fame, her greed got the best of her. She embraced the power of the hellborn to defeat all enemies. Her heart is now blackened with hate and dark magic runs in her veins. Her horse has also absorbed this power. Neither will ever be the same again.

Voice:
"Knock them all down!"
"Charge!"
"No one out-runs my horse."
"Kabobs any one?"
"Your head will make a fine trophy."

Skills

Joust(remade)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/skill1.jpg
You get a temp movment boost, and do damage to all enemys in area around you hitting them for slight damage and silencing for a short time.
mana 150/125/120/115
movment boost 20/30/40/50 (can stack with movment items)
skill lasts for 4/6/8/10 sec

Cooldown:
lvl1- 25 sec
lvl2- 20 sec
lvl3- 15 sec
lvl4- 10 sec

Damage:
lvl1- +70%
lvl2- +75%
lvl3- +80%
lvl4- +85%

Silence (will recast on them if they remain in radius):
lvl1- 2 sec
lvl2- 2.5 sec
lvl3- 3 sec
lvl4- 3.5 sec

Iron Grasp(remade)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/skill2.jpg
By using a directed target area; pulls your target(s) in area to you by using dark forces, and then slows them for a small duration.
mana 50/40/35/30

lvl1- 200 range, -25 movment speed for 2 sec
lvl2- 250 range, -30 movment speed for 2 sec
lvl3- 300 range, -35 movment speed for 3 sec
lvl4- 350 range, -40 movment speed for 3 sec

Cooldown:
lvl1- 60 sec
lvl2- 50 sec
lvl3- 40 sec
lvl4- 30 sec

Black Armor(remade)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/skill3.jpg
Temp Boosts Magic Armor of yourself and those around you.
(only effects hero units)
mana cost 75/65/55/45
duration 4/5/6/7 sec

lvl1- 6 magic armor
lvl2- 9 magic armor
lvl3- 12 magic armor
lvl4- 15 magic armor

Cooldown:
lvl1- 35 sec
lvl2- 30 sec
lvl3- 25 sec
lvl4- 20 sec

Dark Impulse
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/SKILL42.jpg
Boosts movment speed and armor for a small time.
(Ultimate - Horses eyes glow red for duration and rears when activated)
mana 200/180/150
movment speed will not stack with items

lvl1- 70% movment, +60% magic and phys armor, lasts 10 sec
lvl2- 80% movment, +80% magic and phys armor, lasts 13 sec
lvl3- 90% movment, +90% magic and phys armor, lasts 15 sec

Cooldown:
lvl1- 2 min
lvl2- 1.5 min
lvl3- 60 sec
Skill Synergy:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/SKILL42.jpg + http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/skill3.jpg =
A great team battle initiator, esp if verses many int classes. Run in first (tank most the damage) and teammates follow.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/skill2.jpg + http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/skill1.jpg =
Good for early game harassment, can be lethal to many casters - such as magebane. Can also be used to save teammates fleeing with low hp.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/SKILL42.jpg + http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/karrit/skill2.jpg =
Great for stopping the guy who almost got away, gets caught up with him and pulls him to you.

Items Suggested
:Sustainer:Sustainer
:Astrolabe:Astrolabe
:PowerSupply:Power Supply
:HelmOfTheBlackLegioHelm of the Black Legion
:Steamboots:Steamboots
:AbyssalSkull:Abyssal Skull
:BarbedArmor:Barbed Armor
:Insanitarius:Insanitarious
:ArcaneRing:Arcane Ring
:HealthPotion:Health Potion
:RunesOfTheBlight:Runes Of The Blight

more to be added~
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Creaters Notes:
//Dec, 12//
My first time doing this, hope you enjoy my anti magic female/horse tank! Got pointers or suggestions? Leave a post!
Remember Don't vote no cuz of numbers, those can be changed!
//Dec, 13//
Changed some numbers to make it more balanced, synergy info added. Will soon add item suggestions!
//Dec, 14//
Added better pictures for my view of her looks!
//Dec 23//
Added suggested items, planning on adding more

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

-bump-
any thoughts?

[PoopyDesires]

Spells are ridiculously underpowered save the ult.

1st spell: Extremely low, neglible damage and a tiny silence on a 45 second? This should be 120% on a 9 second cooldown.

2nd spell: An extremely short range pull on a 30 second cooldown with no damage or side effects. Range needs to be better and scale better, drop the CD.

3rd spell: Why does this have 3 levels? Scales badly as well.

Ult: Why does this have 4 levels? Regardless, extremely overpowered. Thats 30 seconds of near-invulnerability to all forms of damage and max movement speed that can be up for almost the whole game.

Regardless, spells are extremely boring and have no salvageable synergy.

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

Spells are ridiculously underpowered save the ult.

1st spell: Extremely low, neglible damage and a tiny silence on a 45 second? This should be 120% on a 9 second cooldown.

2nd spell: An extremely short range pull on a 30 second cooldown with no damage or side effects. Range needs to be better and scale better, drop the CD.

3rd spell: Why does this have 3 levels? Scales badly as well.

Ult: Why does this have 4 levels? Regardless, extremely overpowered. Thats 30 seconds of near-invulnerability to all forms of damage and max movement speed that can be up for almost the whole game.

Regardless, spells are extremely boring and have no salvageable synergy.
thanks for the imput!

I changed some of the numbers and took off the 4th lvl of the ulti, ill post some interesting item suggestions, skill combos, senarios

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

ok i updated some stuff =D

btw you no voters make you drop me some info why! Im open for skill ideas and other suggestions, if you dont let me kno I cannt fix it! AND WE MUST HAVE A MOUNTED HORSE FIGHTER!

[Voulture]

O.o Think again about those numbers. Check magebane passive magic armor and pebble's one. Check plague riders armor boost and tree amor boost. read how much armor reduction is 30 in practice mode. Think how much 100 would be.

[Mardhyn]

It's an interesting suggestion, but OP in certain ways and UP in other ways.

1st ability: So I basically am paying mana for a 3 second silence? Or is that 100% damage ontop of regular damage.

2nd Ability: The cooldown is WAY too long. It might as well be an ultimate with that long of a cooldown. The concept is very nice though.

3rd Ability: So basically he gets x3 Shaman's Headress for free? He'd be the ultimate pick against any kind of nuke team. I'd tone it down to at the very least 3, 6, 9, 12. 2.5, 5, 7.5, and 10 should be considered as well.

Ultimate: Umm, basically with the current numbers for 25 seconds at level 16 these dude is running around at 522ms with 90% damage reduction and 100% magic reduction. Sure stuns still work and what not, but it's pretty much a BKB. And because the duration is so long they blow everything on you and you'll still have 10 seconds to run around wreaking havoc.

Concept is good, numbers are odd though. T-Up for concept.

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

O.o Think again about those numbers. Check magebane passive magic armor and pebble's one. Check plague riders armor boost and tree amor boost. read how much armor reduction is 30 in practice mode. Think how much 100 would be.


yea it was basically supposed to grant a short immunity (sort of like war beasts ulti but instead with defence and not attack power), i think the prob is the time it lasts. I didn't realize it was so high.

i hope ppl arn't voting on numbers, its my first time doing this so i didn't really set the numbers up right =o

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

It's an interesting suggestion, but OP in certain ways and UP in other ways.

1st ability: So I basically am paying mana for a 3 second silence? Or is that 100% damage ontop of regular damage.

2nd Ability: The cooldown is WAY too long. It might as well be an ultimate with that long of a cooldown. The concept is very nice though.

3rd Ability: So basically he gets x3 Shaman's Headress for free? He'd be the ultimate pick against any kind of nuke team. I'd tone it down to at the very least 3, 6, 9, 12. 2.5, 5, 7.5, and 10 should be considered as well.

Ultimate: Umm, basically with the current numbers for 25 seconds at level 16 these dude is running around at 522ms with 90% damage reduction and 100% magic reduction. Sure stuns still work and what not, but it's pretty much a BKB. And because the duration is so long they blow everything on you and you'll still have 10 seconds to run around wreaking havoc.

Concept is good, numbers are odd though. T-Up for concept.

thanks!

skill1- you get a stab damage hit with the short silence - i set the mana high so that its not too spammable like a perma silence (mana ring would deff be suggested)

skill2- i shortened it alot

skill3- i was basing it off a headdress but forgot that if they ALSO bought the headdress it woul be GG for magic casters XD - so its been lowered

ulti- lasts MUCH shorter thank goodness

[Verisi]

No, no, no. Extremely loose synergy, with each ability completely independent from the rest. All this hero is is a boring tank which silences every now and then and has an auto-hook with a slow on a large cd.

1: Very bad scaling. An uninteresting (melee range?) silence which deals damage based on attack.

2: A hook that doesn't take skill or linear ease. Initiation slaughter, able to pull even further than the highest attack range, with a slow to boot.

3: Beyond bland.

4: Horrific cd scaling. Like a defensive version of Lycan (Warbest)'s ult.

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

No, no, no. Extremely loose synergy, with each ability completely independent from the rest. All this hero is is a boring tank which silences every now and then and has an auto-hook with a slow on a large cd.

1: Very bad scaling. An uninteresting (melee range?) silence which deals damage based on attack.

2: A hook that doesn't take skill or linear ease. Initiation slaughter, able to pull even further than the highest attack range, with a slow to boot.

3: Beyond bland.

4: Horrific cd scaling. Like a defensive version of Lycan (Warbest)'s ult.


in posts i already compaired it to warbeasts ulti but flipped, shes a tank support/ not damage heavy

as i keep telling people numbers can be changed, this was the first draft of me ever making it. i wasn't 100% sure on numbers and put guesstimated ones up to be changed and revised

with the right items this hero could be alot of fun, thats why im working on item suggestions

[JoeStalin]

To make her less boring I'd say:

change first skill to something a little more skill intensive, like maybe it gives you a 5 second movespeed boost, and every enemy you run into is damaged and silenced(synergizes better with ult)

for her pulling skill make it aoe, a bit more useful and skill based(maybe add a one second delay)

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

To make her less boring I'd say:

change first skill to something a little more skill intensive, like maybe it gives you a 5 second movespeed boost, and every enemy you run into is damaged and silenced(synergizes better with ult)

for her pulling skill make it aoe, a bit more useful and skill based(maybe add a one second delay)


hmmm i like the aoe grasp idea, it would make a bit more sence with the longer CD, and your suggesting skill1 instead of melee attack it does bounce damage to a certain radious? =o I LIKE! goes well with the name too

suggest any numbers to go with those?

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

ok i remade 2 of the skills, maybe now it would take more skill and aiming abilitys =X

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

-bump-

any thoughts on updates?

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

you no voters id like to see the posts why =)
i wanna fix it, really would like to see a char like this implemented or at least the concept (even if skills are changed)

[Rinsaku]

hey you, stop being afk!! =P

Suggestions... hmm. I'm not very good with hero building buuut...
On Joust, you should put +'s next to the % increase
Like so =)
Damage:
lvl1- +70%
lvl2- +75%
lvl3- +80%
lvl4- +85%
So people for sure know that they're gaining damage


+1 from meee =D

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

thanks!

ill add the + so ppl know =]

[Vicking]

the concept is nice, but I think you should remake her passive magic armor into an active, else she would be kinda over the top...

about her ulti, not sure if you meant the +armor to be percentual (+60% at lvl 1 e.g) or total. If you ment total, that would be pretty lame, if its percentual, it should be alright, if the 3rd ability is made an active.

+ on a sidenote: most of the movement gained by the ultimate will be of no use, as it caps a 522... ---> 320 initially + boots (50~)= 370 + 60% = 592 // 320 initially+ 60% = 512 ...so no much use in that....

my idea would be to make this ulti something good for the team actually and boost team movement speed or something + team armor...

e.g. Dark Impulse: boosts team movement speed and armor for a small time

lvl1 +20% movement speed and + 20% armor + 30% magic armor on allies on a 500 range for 7 seconds cd 60sec manacost: 140
lvl 2 +30% ms + 30% armor + 50% ma ....500 radius for 8 seconds cd 50 sec manacost 160
lvl 3 +40% ms + 40% armor + 70% ma ....500 radius for 9 seconds cd 40 sec manacost 180

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

mm i think the ulti would be too OP if the whole team got it, those 9 sec could be enough time for her whole team to run in completly armored up and kill the whole opposing team

maybe i should make her passive into an activated and also boosts those around her radius

^also her ulti does not stack with boots, its just ment to be a movment speed caped move to sort of counter those blinkers and the realy fast (warbeast)

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

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[volcan33]

1st it seens ok
2nd skill has way too low range...
3rd skill is no sense since ur ult increases m armor.
ult - warbeast ult grants much higher speed,and it's no that great, since u can be disabled by a stun or whatever.


btw the artwork is sooooo cool :D

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

1st it seens ok
2nd skill has way too low range...
3rd skill is no sense since ur ult increases m armor.
ult - warbeast ult grants much higher speed,and it's no that great, since u can be disabled by a stun or whatever.


btw the artwork is sooooo cool :D


the 3rd affects the whole party and her ulti only boosts her stats, and with her pull and slows i dont think higher mov speed would be very balanced lol

ty =]

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

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[Sordak]

PIC = emo hairstyle. Stop emo hairstyle and i will comment ^^

ok now serious comment (is serious) even if ill just make a short one maybe ill look at it more closeley later.

the first skill seems ok and fitting to the theme. the minisilence could be used to gank if im not right.
the passive skill seems OK too maybe some tweaks but i wont talk about any numbers here. Maybe magic armor increase is a bit strong but still that makes this hero compliment nice with Devourer.
Oooooh yess i refered to devourer and here comes it. this "iron grip" skill. How does it work? So its basicaly like devourers hook with a slow attached to it? Or doesit drag your target from one area to another? Anyway it feels too strong since its single targeted. While you have to target devourers hook. But still i need more explanation on this one.
The Ult seems like a nice tower diving sterioid spell but nothing too sepcial.


i think that chick needs some work but it could turn out good.

[Deztiny]

I voted yes! hihi, because the idea is great! And she should become the first girl tanker in HON! :D

[CutChemist]

This hero doesn't seem like a tank at all to me, mainly because her skills make me want to target her last or just run from her. She seems like an excellent d.p.s./lane pushing char...with her only weakness being her mana pool, which can be fixed with items, assuring domination throughout the game.

[FireSlifer]

I believe that this is more a disable then tanker : no one can run from you unless they have disables/blink or a very good ally.
For me, you need to rework the MS buffs/debuffs to something more interesting!

[CutChemist]

Yeah, I agree. This hero's role needs to be thought about again.

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

its a support disable tank =] thats what i was going for not a tank and spank taunter, i think we have enough of those

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

PIC = emo hairstyle. Stop emo hairstyle and i will comment ^^

ok now serious comment (is serious) even if ill just make a short one maybe ill look at it more closeley later.


Oooooh yess i refered to devourer and here comes it. this "iron grip" skill. How does it work? So its basicaly like devourers hook with a slow attached to it? Or doesit drag your target from one area to another? Anyway it feels too strong since its single targeted. While you have to target devourers hook. But still i need more explanation on this one.



The grip is a targeted area toggled and selected and pulls all target(s) in the area (they would sort of bounce to you and a purple bolt would animate this)

[Elunex]

I like the hero and its ideas thou apparently numbers were off but I don't know hero building ;P I like the concept and kinda hope it will get implemented.. thou if this hero gets in instead of Oblivion I will rage on you..

[Vincentrose]

Here's a suggestion: Spellcheck.
Check your sig, Hellborn should be spelt Hellbourne.
And spellcheck the entire description of the hero. It'll help people take it more seriously.

[Ninja_Bunn3h]

yea im bad at spelling =\ ill proof read it and fix that soonish

[Taawus]

Hontai material.

[DamnedReg]

Really like the concept. Numbers will need tweaking of course. But HoN could use some more silence abilities instead of always stuns.

I'm not sure about the damage component of Joust, as the numbers are now it's like :dark: except the silence works on everyone near you without even attacking, and it has 100% uptime. I'd drop/lower the damage component and keep the silence. Otherwise she'll end up being another carry.

The first skill really is the key. They'll need to silence, stun or slow you to keep you from silencing them, so you'll soak up the disables at least, if not the nukes. Maybe replace the damage component with slow resistance? Not total immunity, but something like 20/30/40/50% maybe. Also maybe reduce the silence duration so you can't just run circles around their team and keep them all perma silenced. They should be screwed while near you, but not if they can get away.

You need to clarify how the ult works for armor. Would it be 10 armor > 19 armor? Or 39% damage reduction > 93% damage reduction? Because the second one would be pretty overpowered, and make it so you don't actually need tanky armor items, so you could just get damage/carry items and use your ult to make up all your defense.

Also consider whether these skills should be physical or magical buffs. Magical buffs can be taken off by electrician or a nullfire. Same with the silence debuff. Will shrunken head make them immune to it?

[LightofdaY]

A female tank now that's something you dont' see everyday. If only women players can tank more then many guys in HoN won't go on nerd rage.

[N3cr0_gso]

no..

[Akuran]

I like the idea and this game needs some more mounted fighters, but this honestly looks like a Legion warrior to me, instead of a Hellbourne warrior. Make her evil, glowing eyes, pale skin.

[The_KarbZ]

she's hot :p

[reijj]

Sounds cool :) Interesting skills. I like joust especially, and the awesome tanking ulti. Im sure there are some changes to the numbers to be made but, its the concept that counts. If this gets implemented S2 will surely be able to balance the numbers :p

[Rinsaku]

she's hot :p

psshhhh.
i'd hit it :rolleyes:

/support

remember to vote on concept and not numbers guys, numbers can be changed =)

[Veje]

concept is good, numbers are way to high, especially the ult.
that's like 4x the awesome of jeraziah's ult and that one only last for 7 sec and lvl 3

[PanZerLotus]

the ult seems a bit OP but i may be wrong,

anyway rated YES :)