View Full Version : Madman / Scout skill replacement ideas for balance
Madman:
Lose his windwalk ability. Give him a corpse devouring ability for health/mana/etc.
Scout:
Lose the snipe, give him back a tracking ultimate that lets him see them anywhere on the map for a limited time. If he melees them, they will be slowed/stunned/etc.
SolidStroke
07-28-2009, 03:56 PM
Madman:
Lose his windwalk ability. Give him a corpse devouring ability for health/mana/etc.
Scout:
Lose the snipe, give him back a tracking ultimate that lets him see them anywhere on the map for a limited time. If he melees them, they will be slowed/stunned/etc.
I just have one comment to make. Since I've been improving as a player and joining/learning from people in more experienced games, Madman and Scout have been less and less of an issue.
Draddock
07-28-2009, 04:08 PM
I just have one comment to make. Since I've been improving as a player and joining/learning from people in more experienced games, Madman and Scout have been less and less of an issue.
That doesn't mean they're not imba! =D
On Topic : Both heroes need some changes, but probably not he ones you suggest.
livmew
07-28-2009, 04:08 PM
Neither madman nor scout are imbalanced (although scout is very weak)
Evilan
07-28-2009, 04:14 PM
Madman is only an overpowered hero if you let him become one. If you lock him and kill him enough early game, he becomes a non-factor late game. Same can be said for Scout. Scout is reliant on stealth to deal damage. If he can't stealth, he loses his one advantage over you. Also if you have Pest or an eye, he is easily dropped while stealthed.
orkie
07-28-2009, 04:24 PM
ofc this heroes are not op if i got enough time to farm insane items every hero can be op. even over farmed polywoog priest can hit wit crits for 1K.
Gornish1
07-28-2009, 04:24 PM
I have a better solution for both heroes...
Buy Dust or buy Wards
Snipe is easily countered by Fog of War or an interrupt.
Madman has so a low hp threshold he is quite easy to gank early/mid game and prevent him from farming for late.
rhodric1
07-28-2009, 04:55 PM
scout is fine the way he is. madman needs some type of mobility nerf.
his barrel roll is being nerfed this patch today, something about it becoming a boomerang instead now, we'll see though.
Ryno2112
07-28-2009, 05:24 PM
Scout isn't imba. Please leave this hero alone damn. Just cuz he can invis and channel his ult while invised doesn't mean he's imba. That's synergy. get past it, it's easy tbh.
as for Madman, the corpse devourering ability is interesting, dunno if it'd be a good fit though would rather see barrel tweaked or some sort of short disable put into place.
Why is there in every madman thread someone telling that "Madman isnt OP lol, just gank, lock him, etc"? Everyone is like he didnt have teammates or any map awaressness
If the madman have a clue about this game he is almost unkillable with 522ms invis and blink ~~. If you have a clue about this game you can see every gank coming.
Scout is very balanced as is.
Madman's damage output is a bit too high given his survivability, I have to say. He doesn't require any items to wipe teams.
Megalo
07-28-2009, 06:07 PM
For scout, just take away his bonus speed while stealthed. BH in dota didnt have it. He doesn't need it either. Even if you have gem, you can't keep up with him.
For scout, just take away his bonus speed while stealthed. BH in dota didnt have it. He doesn't need it either. Even if you have gem, you can't keep up with him.
Use a disable = (
Idejder
07-28-2009, 06:10 PM
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=4981
Madman
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=4324
Scout.
These are two of about 500 threads about these two heroes.