View Full Version : Regarding +damage +crit
jermsz
07-28-2009, 09:17 AM
Do these effects from items have any effect on spells? or just melee?
Phineas
07-28-2009, 09:47 AM
The crit effects just your regular attack, whether you are a ranged or melee hero. Fun fact, the two images created from Geometer's Bane inherit your hero's critical strike capabilities.
Darkstrand
07-28-2009, 01:16 PM
No, they do not effect any spells.
MrTortoise1
07-28-2009, 01:37 PM
how do crits stack?
Dux0r
07-28-2009, 01:42 PM
they stack as following.
If you have a base chance to crit for say 30% then have an item that gives you 15% chance to crit, bot at 2x damage.
You do NOT get 45%.
Afaik the maths behind it are something like 30% chance, if that fails, you get another 15% chance.
Similar with stacking bucklers, its not 60% chance to block damage is 30% x2..
I fail at explaining this, someone else do it :)
New_guy
07-28-2009, 01:48 PM
If you have an item with a critical effect, and a skill with critical effect, then You have 2 chances to do critical: a 30% and another 15%.
duglaw
07-28-2009, 01:58 PM
and life leach ? melee only or ranged as well ? does it work for any special attacks ? what about cleaves / splash damage ? if you get leach from cleaving a whole creep wave that could be a nice amount of heal.
antigrav
07-28-2009, 02:54 PM
they stack as following.
If you have a base chance to crit for say 30% then have an item that gives you 15% chance to crit, bot at 2x damage.
You do NOT get 45%.
Afaik the maths behind it are something like 30% chance, if that fails, you get another 15% chance.
Similar with stacking bucklers, its not 60% chance to block damage is 30% x2..
I fail at explaining this, someone else do it :)
This is a mathematical problem you're having here.
You have two distinct actions.
The first crit is a 30% chance of occuring. From here on I will call this a proc.
The second crit has a 15% chance of proc.
Now, when combined, your chance for any crit proc'ing is not simply 30+15=45%.
You also must account for the overlap in the two events. So you need to subtract the chance that both crits occur which is .3*.15=.045
So the final chance of any crit occuring is:
.3+.15-.3*.15=.405
A perhaps easier formulation would be this:
Chance of any crit occuring = 1 - (1-c1)*(1-c2)*...*(1-cn)
Where you have n number of chances to crit.
jaibas
07-28-2009, 03:15 PM
sumed up:
in terms of defense, if you are carrying 2 shields, this will happen:
an attack is done towards you, 4 possible outcomes:
Possible outcome = you get hit
= you block from 1 of the shields
= you block from the other shield
= you block with both shields
so... this means that any hit or shield chance items work INDIVIDUALLY as in: dont stack but rather each has its own proc chance.