Slither & Kongor

[Xara]

Wasn't sure if this is the best place to post it, but ahhh I noticed something fairly amusing you can do with Slither, his Toxic Wards, and Kongor. If you reach the point where your mana return allows you to recast Ward every cooldown, you can cast the Wards to create a line of impassable (without phasing) objects, sealing off passage to Kongor. You do so carefully, such that the wards are not actually in range to start attacking Kongor at first. Slither stands just above and to the left, where you can get sight of Kongor, and initiate attack. Because your wards have obstructed all possible pathing for him, he will just sit there while you wail on him endlessly, and you just recast ward to block off the gap when one dies. I did this at something silly like level 10 when all I had was enhanced marchers and a rift shard, thanks in large part to having Glacius on my team.

So yea, Kongor's AI probably needs a little tweaking so he'd attack something blocking him if he can't path to whatever aggroes him first, or make him phase naturally or something. Doesn't feel balanced to be capable of such so very early, even if it's clearly risky to do so due to the time you have to spend pecking away at him when any enemy could walk by.

[Travakh]

Veno is/was capable of downing Roshan at level 3, I believe.

It's really just a cool gimmick, but it takes so long that I don't think it needs rebalancing.

[Tyrando]

It's really just a cool gimmick, but it takes so long that I don't think it needs rebalancing.

This and im sure they will fix Kongor so you cant attack him from above like they did with Rosh.

[HammerHand]

This and im sure they will fix Kongor so you cant attack him from above like they did with Rosh.
Even so, you can just make the wall anyways and sit behind them to attack him.
It's beta, AI is still being tweaked (OMFG at creep pull fails). Played a game today that had kongor down at 8 minutes... can't really say I recall what heroes they had aside from magebane and jereziah. Veno soloing Kongor at lvl 7 was given far too much time by the other team to kill him anyways, so it was a deserved kill.

[Paragon]

If you take Wards early, you're not doing the early game ganking and hero killing that makes Slither fearsome. Assuming for the sake of argument that this doesn't get fixed, it's still not much of a balance issue; a solo Kongor kill is worth some bragging rights, but it won't win a game.

[livmew]

Why would you get Wards?

[Invoker1]

Hellbringer can tank kongor at level 3, slither is better off without wards.
hopefully hellbringer gets fixed and we can save the level 7 kongor soloing for ursa.

[InedibleBuff]

This is true. I did this by accident today, it only took about 4 wards that I had placed in an arc and he just sat there. It was funny.

[willtsay]

im guessing hellbringer uses life void and tanks everything while your allies pound on him?

[StealthFire]

Would work better if you had slither filling the 'tank' role then used the strongest ranged DPS you can muster to deal the real damage. In DotA he'd just kill your wards and you'd have to recast the wards constantly just to keep him at bay, but seems pretty easy here.

[InedibleBuff]

the good thing is that aslong as a ward can last 5 seconds you can just keep recasting him. that is... IF he attacks. if you surround him he just sits there...

[SuperStanos]

This honestly just seems like it would take too long and you'd get busted long before you finish him off.

Even if you didn't it would still be a waste unless you really want to deny kongor to the other team.

[Lionguild]

Veno is/was capable of downing Roshan at level 3, I believe.

It's really just a cool gimmick, but it takes so long that I don't think it needs rebalancing.

I think you mean level 7*, for max level wards. Even then its not a surefire win not to mention that it takes forever.