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NvZn
12-06-2009, 01:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx7oGZfKUlY
Just watch this.

Satyrael
12-06-2009, 01:40 PM
DAT SONG

Blaky039
12-06-2009, 01:41 PM
Forsaken archer would have ended that in just 3 seconds...

Dupster
12-06-2009, 01:44 PM
this is stupid you either stomped a team of first timers or it was setup. Trolls Inc

PistoIero
12-06-2009, 01:45 PM
loved it =)

was it easy mode tho?

Simba
12-06-2009, 01:46 PM
Hellbringer is better for a rosh strat because Wildsoul is a terrible hero.

Satyrael
12-06-2009, 01:47 PM
lol @ IceCream2000

Jdanzi
12-06-2009, 01:49 PM
lol, cos a noob bash merits a new thread, awesome.

Thief
12-06-2009, 01:51 PM
loved it =)

was it easy mode tho?

I think so, watch the gold.

Slayman
12-06-2009, 01:51 PM
Haha. cool.

KaliKot
12-06-2009, 01:53 PM
nabs or not, shows how OP jere is

Thief
12-06-2009, 01:54 PM
nabs or not, shows how OP jere is

I think it was mostly the element of surprise that let them win.

VisisVis
12-06-2009, 01:54 PM
These guys like to do this quite often, apparently. "5v5 apem noobs NO AB".

Faaaantastic. Whatever floats your boat. :)

Crinkz
12-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Nice, remember seeing a DotA vid doing the same thing.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 01:55 PM
it was em for anyone wondering just a fun game though lol

Fenix
12-06-2009, 01:55 PM
I think you were headed to the secret shop the first time you clicked there.


But sometimes you have to make sure 7 more times.

Coleyra
12-06-2009, 01:55 PM
AP sux.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 01:55 PM
when you rage, get mad, or just wanna have a lot fun do this:D

BobSagett
12-06-2009, 01:58 PM
Hellbringer is better for a rosh strat because Wildsoul is a terrible hero.
You are dumb.

Zebracakes
12-06-2009, 01:58 PM
You had Shaman, Jera,and Accursed. What did you expect to happen?

ANiChowy
12-06-2009, 01:59 PM
Are we supposed to suck your dick now that you played in a few "noobs only apem" game with 4 of your friends?

Zebracakes
12-06-2009, 01:59 PM
You are dumb.

He's right, however. Hellbringer tanks Kongor better than Wildsoul.

Hosinho
12-06-2009, 02:00 PM
Cool. But it was over 7min. 7.02 to be exact. So fail

zxpr0jk
12-06-2009, 02:00 PM
Plague Rider + Tree = 70%ish physical damage reduction on whole team.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 02:00 PM
Are we supposed to suck your dick now that you played in a few "noobs only apem" game with 5 of your friends?

if you really want, i mean...if you're into that kinda thing

Sheapy1
12-06-2009, 02:02 PM
FA split shot for da lulz

vgr
12-06-2009, 02:02 PM
Hillarious

Fenix
12-06-2009, 02:03 PM
Haters Wanna Hate

Trollers Wanna Troll

I just Wanna Put

Some Butter on that Roll

I want to eat that Dick.

Yes I do

Yum Yum Yum

12-06-2009, 02:06 PM
3 secs HUrr three Durr secondsss Derp!

Festilence
12-06-2009, 02:06 PM
Or you can make S2 port Broodmother, do 5x Broodmother and do it in half the time.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 02:07 PM
Or you can make S2 port Broodmother, do 5x Broodmother and do it in half the time.

lololol

MileyCyrus
12-06-2009, 02:10 PM
I applaud you, but at the same time WOW they are pretty awful...especially that engineer...just sitting there when 5 heroes walk up behind him

matrixfox
12-06-2009, 02:12 PM
Lol.

CPLnerd
12-06-2009, 02:14 PM
Forsaken archer would have ended that in just 3 seconds...

That FA was dum she didnt have Skeletons!!!!!!! They so would of won with them.

12-06-2009, 02:15 PM
"oh look how we won some noobs only games derp"

Vinthian
12-06-2009, 02:15 PM
This is why you avoid APEM NO AB!

LonelyDay
12-06-2009, 02:16 PM
Pubstompers owning noobs, more news to come (C)

J0k3
12-06-2009, 02:16 PM
Lol, the enemies were HORRIBLE. And playing EM? Lol.. We almost always win in 13-15min no-em.
You even let booboo die at start, wtf?
I dont see how one can be proud of this.

Wanna play vs us? just whisper me ingame

CPLnerd
12-06-2009, 02:16 PM
He's right, however. Hellbringer tanks Kongor better than Wildsoul.

Waiting for hellbringers CD he would DIE meaning someone else would have to tank it. Wildsoul tanked it the whole time.

Xizel
12-06-2009, 02:16 PM
Plausible songs.

MarioMCP
12-06-2009, 02:17 PM
Team stacking, cool story bro.

PistoIero
12-06-2009, 02:18 PM
Waiting for hellbringers CD he would DIE meaning someone else would have to tank it. Wildsoul tanked it the whole time.

He wouldn't have life void up 1,5 seconds every 7 seconds...

The only way he'd die is from ooming.

SchlimShady
12-06-2009, 02:18 PM
It's not that the enemies were horrible, but that they couldn't do anything........ They were all level 3 when they were all level 1, quite a big swing if you ask me.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 02:20 PM
It's not that the enemies were horrible, but that they couldn't do anything........ They were all level 3 when they were all level 1, quite a big swing if you ask me.

nono the enemies were quite horrible

HeartAttack
12-06-2009, 02:20 PM
Wow,most of you guys are a bunch of jealous players -_- FFS,who cares if it was EM and stacked team? You guys still woudn't be able to win in 7 minutes.

Gratz to the team

Zebracakes
12-06-2009, 02:20 PM
Waiting for hellbringers CD he would DIE meaning someone else would have to tank it. Wildsoul tanked it the whole time.



With healers, I'm sure he could live the whole 1.5 seconds life void isn't up.

zxpr0jk
12-06-2009, 02:20 PM
With Jez, Accursed, and D Shaman... Hellbringer would have tanked Kongor just fine.

SchlimShady
12-06-2009, 02:22 PM
nono the enemies were quite horrible

I repeat, they were 2-3 levels higher all game, as 5, with an arcane ring, with 3 heals and a shield. Seriously, what could they do?

And Wildsoul is the best tank for a level 1 kongor kill.

Fiesta
12-06-2009, 02:23 PM
But Booboo,err, Beardulon can push the towers better. Plus if they got wise to what was going on, Boo-- Beardulon is expendable, Hellbringer is not.

Ignorance
12-06-2009, 02:25 PM
This brings me back to my DotA days...
Except we just went all summons and pushed top to raxx.

Orikisz
12-06-2009, 02:25 PM
Waiting for hellbringers CD he would DIE meaning someone else would have to tank it. Wildsoul tanked it the whole time.
Hellbringer's life void have only 7sec cd and lasts 5.5 sec on 1st lvl.
That's only 1.5sec to w8.
Ups i failed too slow...

LegoPirate
12-06-2009, 02:26 PM
epic. nice job XD

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 02:26 PM
hellbringer would of tanked it fine, both work

Hazger
12-06-2009, 02:26 PM
You can upload the HD video to youtube?

Btw nice but you guys should play wow not hon =P

zxpr0jk
12-06-2009, 02:26 PM
I repeat, they were 2-3 levels higher all game, as 5, with an arcane ring, with 3 heals and a shield. Seriously, what could they do?

And Wildsoul is the best tank for a level 1 kongor kill.

The engineer could refrain from suicide rushing into their team for one.

Hurfdurf
12-06-2009, 02:26 PM
ITT: A lot of raged noobs who haven't played Hellbringer.

ANiChowy
12-06-2009, 02:27 PM
But Booboo,err, Beardulon can push the towers better. Plus if they got wise to what was going on, Boo-- Beardulon is expendable, Hellbringer is not.

Pretty sure the bear doesn't get the bonus damage vs. structures at level 1.

Dukamok
12-06-2009, 02:27 PM
I repeat, they were 2-3 levels higher all game, as 5, with an arcane ring, with 3 heals and a shield. Seriously, what could they do?

And Wildsoul is the best tank for a level 1 kongor kill.
It's hard to take you seriously if you watch that and thing Hellbourne wasn't retarded. Lvl 1 Kong is cheating? A bug? Ok. And that engineer seemed to dislike moving. A lot.

Its funny but it's obviously not to show skill or anything, I'm sure even OP knows that, it's just massive lulz.

Also, at someone earlier in the thread, I fail to realize how this game proves Jereziah is op? At all ><

_Zantsu_
12-06-2009, 02:28 PM
lol @ IceCream2000

Yep.


I think you were headed to the secret shop the first time you clicked there.


But sometimes you have to make sure 7 more times.

That totally wasn't only 7 hahaahha.

iDrop
12-06-2009, 02:28 PM
nice video, i wonder if that's how hon was meant to be played since the beginning of dota

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 02:28 PM
It's hard to take you seriously if you watch that and thing Hellbourne wasn't retarded. Lvl 1 Kong is cheating? A bug? Ok. And that engineer seemed to dislike moving. A lot.

Its funny but it's obviously not to show skill or anything, I'm sure even OP knows that, it's just massive lulz.

Also, at someone earlier in the thread, I fail to realize how this game proves Jereziah is op? At all ><
this

NyRe
12-06-2009, 02:30 PM
Fun vid.

Also works with Warbeast/Tempest without heals and is abit more failproof. At least it used to work in DotA, unsure if you can spawn elementals from allied summons in HoN.

matrixfox
12-06-2009, 02:31 PM
It's hard to take you seriously if you watch that and thing Hellbourne wasn't retarded. Lvl 1 Kong is cheating? A bug? Ok. And that engineer seemed to dislike moving. A lot.

Its funny but it's obviously not to show skill or anything, I'm sure even OP knows that, it's just massive lulz.

Also, at someone earlier in the thread, I fail to realize how this game proves Jereziah is op? At all ><

Completely right! It WAS just for fun, and I played Jereziah, he wasn't that OP.. Cept that double kill at 7:08 =D

AjAbubu
12-06-2009, 02:32 PM
Fun to watch, thanks.

I don't suppose you could put up a match ID please?

Glorify1
12-06-2009, 02:32 PM
Video was sped up at certain points.

NvZn
12-06-2009, 02:34 PM
It's hard to take you seriously if you watch that and thing Hellbourne wasn't retarded. Lvl 1 Kong is cheating? A bug? Ok. And that engineer seemed to dislike moving. A lot.

Its funny but it's obviously not to show skill or anything, I'm sure even OP knows that, it's just massive lulz.

Also, at someone earlier in the thread, I fail to realize how this game proves Jereziah is op? At all ><

Ty Dukamok. That's exactly what it is. Just for lulz.

Hurfdurf
12-06-2009, 02:36 PM
Video was sped up at certain points.

It shows at the end that the game ended at 7:02.

Constantine
12-06-2009, 02:36 PM
Epic fun 2 watch!

Firetongue
12-06-2009, 02:41 PM
U prob played vs the biggest nabbs i've ever seen

natoftw
12-06-2009, 02:44 PM
Since i failed to find the original game, http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=14830692 - same thing, 13 mins this time, the game name speaks of itself. GOOD JOB !

ChaosAxess
12-06-2009, 02:47 PM
EM

move along

Haasth
12-06-2009, 02:50 PM
Now I wonder if this is possible in normal matches like this. But I thought it looked quite fun. Sick healing though.

And that Predator was just funny. Guess he missed the 'Has slain Kongor' sign.

Anakam
12-06-2009, 02:52 PM
what is the ID of the game? i cant watch in replays.etc.

btw how did u record it? fraps directly to game? no replays available true?

ChaosAxess
12-06-2009, 02:53 PM
Now I wonder if this is possible in normal matches like this. But I thought it looked quite fun. Sick healing though.

And that Predator was just funny. Guess he missed the 'Has slain Kongor' sign.
it's not, the towers would rape them.

Simon493
12-06-2009, 02:54 PM
Jesus they never claimed it was some uber skilled accomplishment. Its a neat video and was fun to watch. You "OMG EM LOL DOESN"T COUNT THEY WERE NOOBS" guys are retarded. Clearly it wouldn't work against a skilled team or in non-em(as fast at least), I really don't think it needs to be pointed out.

Smikis
12-06-2009, 02:55 PM
oh wow. premade team beating 5 1500 newbies, in ap em game.. congrats .. no not rly.. thats sad and pathetic..

i never found one sided games fun.. or playing against weaker opposition.. but whateva makes you happy

Smikis
12-06-2009, 02:56 PM
Jesus they never claimed it was some uber skilled accomplishment. Its a neat video and was fun to watch. You "OMG EM LOL DOESN"T COUNT THEY WERE NOOBS" guys are retarded. Clearly it wouldn't work against a skilled team or in non-em(as fast at least), I really don't think it needs to be pointed out.


if they didnt wanted to show off.. they would just posted in on youtube and never made post in hon forums.. but they did.. so your arguments are invalid

SaveroH
12-06-2009, 02:57 PM
One fatal flaw in the FA strat, took split shot instead of 3 second rape skellies.

(Serious, watch FA when they are taking the mid rax standing there and auto attacking with split shot)

Simon493
12-06-2009, 03:03 PM
if they didnt wanted to show off.. they would just posted in on youtube and never made post in hon forums.. but they did.. so your arguments are invalid

I/other people in this thread thought it was worthwhile I'm glad they posted especially considering the usual retarded boasting threads which are like "OMG I WENT 10-1 WITH PEBBLES LOL". Anyways, there is a difference between showing off and claiming it was difficult. Clearly they just did it for fun and decided to show other people.

Ooooh they pub stomped some noobs, at least they ended it in under 10 min. QQ more. At least they weren't being fags with plants or drawing the game out for 40 min to pad stats.

Savi
12-06-2009, 03:05 PM
Entertaining video, thumbs up (Y).

Chosenary
12-06-2009, 03:06 PM
Skellies woulda have it done in 3 seconds

Kharg
12-06-2009, 03:08 PM
Waiting for hellbringers CD he would DIE meaning someone else would have to tank it. Wildsoul tanked it the whole time.


5 seconds and its like a 7sec CD so he really wouldnt die

SneakerXZ
12-06-2009, 03:12 PM
IceCream2000 never played Predator. http://gaww.net/hon_stats.php?hero_dossier=IceCream2000 - http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/player_stats.php?aid=858465

liq3
12-06-2009, 03:13 PM
Enemy team had 5 carries. 'Nuff said.

SneakerXZ
12-06-2009, 03:14 PM
According to stats. This game never happened.

ihopeuchoken
12-06-2009, 03:14 PM
LOL. I loved your video, and am planning to try this out sometime ^.^

N_E_X_O_R
12-06-2009, 03:17 PM
Yeah this works, ofc it does :P

Rush Roshan and then kill mid and go for a push, but having 3 healers help to keep pushing... but

I don't see much fun on this =(

N_E_X_O_R
12-06-2009, 03:18 PM
According to stats. This game never happened.


STop Whinning, it's probably an EM game and No-Stats, you won't just try it vs some1 good cause they'll stack at rune and kill u at roshan =)

KnightDavion
12-06-2009, 03:25 PM
too bad games that last under 9 minutes dont count for stats ahhaha

Hurfdurf
12-06-2009, 03:33 PM
Yeah this works, ofc it does :P

Rush Roshan and then kill mid and go for a push, but having 3 healers help to keep pushing... but

I don't see much fun on this =(

The reactions are enough to make it fun, I'm sure.

Paganblut
12-06-2009, 03:41 PM
LOlz nice vid =)

Raise the hp and damage on kongo

Cawk
12-06-2009, 03:42 PM
I think you were headed to the secret shop the first time you clicked there.


But sometimes you have to make sure 7 more times.

I rofl'd at this.

become_death
12-06-2009, 03:43 PM
The OP was not bragging. He was just posting what he considered to be an achievement. If he was strutting his stuff then you guys could jump all over him and his friends.

However, with that said, yes I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that this was a ridiculously set-up game. Five skilled, coordinated friends playing a no-AB APEM game against five random idiots. They would have won 99.95% of the time, regardless of what strat they used.

Kongoring immediately and then rushing mid is a valid strategy in this game. It's just one that would never, ever work if the teams were anywhere close to being balanced. This was just an interesting (not "impressive"... there is absolutely nothing impressive about mega-pubstomping) exercise in seeing how fast you can take down a throne against unsuspecting EM-tards. I'm sure the OP and his friends are more than willing to engage in some competitive scrims and actually play people who are going to be able to fight back... right?

Their match history is probably chock full of balanced games played at the appropriate level. I'm sure this was just an abberation. If it's not, and this is mostly what they spend their time doing then that's absolutely pathetic, and I wish they'd spend their evenings [literally] circle-jerking in a Skype channel instead of doing it at the expense of other people's gaming enjoyment.

Oh, and to the comment about clicking 17 times to move to one spot away from the action: how do you think people get 150+ APM when they're only controlling one unit? You don't think people are actually making 2-3 valid decisions+actions every second, do you? =p

Dupster
12-06-2009, 03:43 PM
Nice, remember seeing a DotA vid doing the same thing.

Lol conj and furion :) Those were funny days

MrHaze
12-06-2009, 03:44 PM
EM or no, entertaining video. Well played, sirs.

Also to those saying this game never happened, one of the Hellbourne players says something to the effect of, "I'm glad I won't lose or gain any PSR for this", implying this was a no-stats game.

Simple.

Repugnance
12-06-2009, 03:46 PM
too bad games that last under 9 minutes dont count for stats ahhaha
10 minutes, but yes, this.

kaalimato
12-06-2009, 03:47 PM
was 7:01 + you fast forwarded the start :)

ill play 40min game and fast forward it 1000% and finish game in 1 second

NvZn
12-06-2009, 03:47 PM
EM or no, entertaining video. Well played, sirs.

Also to those saying this game never happened, one of the Hellbourne players says something to the effect of, "I'm glad I won't lose or gain any PSR for this", implying this was a no-stats game.

Simple.

No, it was a stats game. He was just so much higher PSR compared to his teammates. If you look in the lobby you can see the PSR +/- for his other teammates.

Also someone stated that games under 9 minutes dont record stats. I don't know if that's true or not but I just went to my match history and this game did not appear. I didn't even notice until people brought that up.

matrixfox
12-06-2009, 03:48 PM
EM or no, entertaining video. Well played, sirs.

Also to those saying this game never happened, one of the Hellbourne players says something to the effect of, "I'm glad I won't lose or gain any PSR for this", implying this was a no-stats game.

Simple.

Since it was under 10 minutes, the stats automatically didn't count. I'm confident he meant that his PSR was low enough not to be effected regardless of a win or a loss.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 03:49 PM
was 7:01 + you fast forwarded the start :)

ill play 40min game and fast forward it 1000% and finish game in 1 second

fast fowarding changes the gametime really...intresting.....

edit: i don't know why fast fowarding matters at all

M5D_SP3
12-06-2009, 03:57 PM
pff any team, can do that in pub game vs random ppl who just start play hon. but ur awesome omfg and wtf and whatever imho try that vs real team ...

znn
12-06-2009, 04:01 PM
The OP was not bragging. He was just posting what he considered to be an achievement. If he was strutting his stuff then you guys could jump all over him and his friends.

Please explain the difference between "posting what he considered to be an achievement" and "bragging"; the OP thought this was such a great achievement that out of the goodness of his heart decided to share it with the rest of us? QFT; bragging is bragging no matter how you try to phrase it.

m4c4n999
12-06-2009, 04:02 PM
rofl at 1st kill. thats jsut sad. i could solo win this at 7min mark...

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 04:03 PM
pff any team, can do that in pub game vs random ppl who just start play hon. but ur awesome omfg and wtf and whatever imho try that vs real team ...

i'm pretty sure if you take the time to read, we never said we could do this vs a real team or even a decent pub now take your .6 and your em stats somewhere else

Tazz
12-06-2009, 04:04 PM
not gonna lie was a pretty funny vid

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 04:05 PM
Please explain the difference between "posting what he considered to be an achievement" and "bragging"; the OP thought this was such a great achievement that out of the goodness of his heart decided to share it with the rest of us? QFT; bragging is bragging no matter how you try to phrase it.
if you could find any place the op said "this is a great achievement" then please post it but i know this is wierd to you but some people like to have a laugh and this was a laughable video. I don't really know how anyone can come off saying hes bragging if he never stated anything of the sort.

Melevolence
12-06-2009, 04:12 PM
and this is how you farm psr

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 04:13 PM
and this is how you farm psr

hey qtpie howz you duz

rickster
12-06-2009, 04:13 PM
Sorry that way over 7 mins. When you spawn in the game, you have 1:15 before the first creep wave spawns.

Look at the time at the top when you first spawn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx7oGZfKUlY#t=44s

Time resets once first wave spawns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx7oGZfKUlY#t=1m33s

Sorry but it was over 8 mins.

smijanic
12-06-2009, 04:16 PM
Wow,most of you guys are a bunch of jealous players -_- FFS,who cares if it was EM and stacked team? You guys still woudn't be able to win in 7 minutes.

Gratz to the team

310 kills,702 deads ....sigh
Yes your the pro

Frog100
12-06-2009, 04:17 PM
5vs5 noobs only apem no ab


Wow, you're skilled rofl

12-06-2009, 04:18 PM
This video brought a smile to my face :). Great song btw.

NvZn
12-06-2009, 04:20 PM
5vs5 noobs only apem no ab


Wow, you're skilled rofl

Ya, we were testing it.

Check my other match stats.

Besides, I never said we were even good. This was just for fun.

Pro
12-06-2009, 04:22 PM
pubstomp vs random nubs, as you could tell from the first moment you engaged the enemy where engi doesnt even move, nighthound boots only etc.

well GZ to this HUGE accomplishment :rolleyes:

Nasbin1
12-06-2009, 04:22 PM
don't say gg after you roll scrubs in 7 mins kty

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 04:23 PM
don't say gg after you roll scrubs in 7 mins kty

don't post if you suck, cwatididthur?

Freki
12-06-2009, 04:23 PM
nobody noticed the +3 / -37 win/loss in psr ?

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 04:24 PM
nobody noticed the +3 / -37 win/loss in psr ?

i think we established that everyone did :rolleyes:

Jaikers
12-06-2009, 04:29 PM
whats the match ID? I want to look at the stats.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 04:30 PM
whats the match ID? I want to look at the stats.

no match id=/, games under 10 minutes don't count towards stats from what i've heard

12-06-2009, 04:31 PM
I've seen 5 man push mids before in dota. It's counterable if you rush mid to defend the first tower with your whole team but I dunno about that Kongor bullshit. Maybe they should make it that kongor doesn't spawn until like 7 minutes into the game or something?

RayPye
12-06-2009, 04:34 PM
Notice how the Engineer doesn't even move when they come up behind him. Lol @ this joke EM pubstomp.

...and none of them port mid to defend.

matrixfox
12-06-2009, 04:46 PM
It seems we've aggro'd the internet.

NvZn
12-06-2009, 04:48 PM
Lol.

crayze
12-06-2009, 05:10 PM
If this was -em it hardly counts tbh =/. But you should use Lich over one of your healers, the shield will keep people alive both in Roshan and afterward far better than one extra healer. Lich/DSham alone can keep a bear alive through the entire Roshan.

Tiens
12-06-2009, 05:20 PM
lol had several teams try this gainst us.... they all failed hardcore.

NvZn
12-06-2009, 05:24 PM
lol had several teams try this gainst us.... they all failed hardcore.

When.. today?

JohnnySmash
12-06-2009, 05:29 PM
Another reason why EM is lame, this would never work in non-EM.

crayze
12-06-2009, 05:31 PM
Actually it can work in standard mode, it just takes a bit longer and you actually have to push more than a single lane (because strong tower + people TPing in to defend strong tower = hard to take down). A few friends and I did I think a 15 or so minute game end using mass summon heroes.. Warbeast, Tempest, Wildsoul, Slither, Engineer (when turret could hit towers, plus tinker > towers).

Isin
12-06-2009, 05:31 PM
Btw nice but you guys should play wow not hon =P

Never ever ever say that.

PoleSana
12-06-2009, 05:31 PM
WOW at everyone criticizing whether this would work against certain players or in non-em.

FAIL.


MASSIVE FAIL.

Funny video though. I enjoyed it.

_Archangel_
12-06-2009, 05:36 PM
Worst players I've ever seen... Engineer sits and autoattacks while five heroes walk through his tower range to gank him. Predator and Night Hound suicide in with Leap/Pounce. FA levels multi-arrow first. Rampage doesn't do anything, really.

I would have taken Plague over Slither (Put armor on Booboo while killing Kongor; ulti would have raped those idiots really hard).

12-06-2009, 05:38 PM
cant watch it.

ParrotSoup
12-06-2009, 05:39 PM
It is funny, but i mean Its been done and the other team was all carries. There would have been nothing they could do anyway

NyRe
12-06-2009, 05:40 PM
Another reason why EM is lame, this would never work in non-EM.

EM changes how heroes gain xp and gold, but never the starting parameters. Kongor before the first creepspawn is possible, valid and even sometimes used in tournaments with different hero setups.

Phlogiston
12-06-2009, 05:40 PM
I enjoyed watching this video.

NyRe
12-06-2009, 05:42 PM
I've seen 5 man push mids before in dota. It's counterable if you rush mid to defend the first tower with your whole team but I dunno about that Kongor bullshit. Maybe they should make it that kongor doesn't spawn until like 7 minutes into the game or something?

Unneeded, with experience you can sense the enemy team going for Kongor early and rape them as they fight him. It's a risky strategy that is 70% revealed at the picking stage.

zxpr0jk
12-06-2009, 05:42 PM
EM changes how heroes gain xp and gold, but never the starting parameters. Kongor before the first creepspawn is possible, valid and even sometimes used in tournaments with different hero setups.

But pushing down towers without returning and taking piss damage from them while pushing isn't.

Nigma
12-06-2009, 05:43 PM
This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.

zzzzzz

Conse
12-06-2009, 05:48 PM
Lol'd at predator.

DaRkFiRe4
12-06-2009, 05:56 PM
haha awesome video.. great team work and hillarious predator.. xDD

edmeister
12-06-2009, 06:02 PM
Nvm the haters. Cool vid ^^

TheGypsy
12-06-2009, 06:05 PM
Oh man, a pusher team.

At least it isn't pathetically easy to stop and thwart. I remember when some five man team tried to do a pusher team against me and a few friends and we ended up fighting for Kongor for a long time before once or two of them squeezed out the kill but they didn't take a single tower because we actually showed up to defend towers and had an Andromeda to spam aurora against them which is a lifesaver against push teams. I believe I was Magmus - once you see two or three people on the other team pick healers just assume it's a push team and get a heavy AoE: Behemoth, Magmus, Wretched Hag, etc.

The video is slightly entertaining but we used to five man bot in DOTA all the time and it's not particularly impressive. Enemies are too dumb to defend properly against it and those who second guess it end up having a lane down way too early to recoup.

kaboo_
12-06-2009, 06:06 PM
very nice, i loled on the cheating comments :D gz again to great victory ;)

Trikk
12-06-2009, 06:14 PM
Worst players I've ever seen... Engineer sits and autoattacks while five heroes walk through his tower range to gank him. Predator and Night Hound suicide in with Leap/Pounce. FA levels multi-arrow first. Rampage doesn't do anything, really.

I would have taken Plague over Slither (Put armor on Booboo while killing Kongor; ulti would have raped those idiots really hard).
The guys on Hellbourne are like 1200 PSR, what did you expect? Of course they aren't going to try to do this in a 50-50 game.

deweylewie
12-06-2009, 06:25 PM
Not impressive since you can only do it against clueless newbies and in APEM.

shub1
12-06-2009, 06:34 PM
this was an epic 7 minutes

TomKat
12-06-2009, 06:39 PM
So have you uploaded any videos where you tried this and it didn't work and you all looked stupid?

Frog100
12-06-2009, 06:41 PM
Ya, we were testing it.

Check my other match stats.

Besides, I never said we were even good. This was just for fun.

You thought you'd roll 5 noobs to "test" it? Great, now you know you can 5 man push mid and win vs 5 noobs, you needed to test to find out if you could do that?

Kietharr
12-06-2009, 06:44 PM
Old news tbh, people have been doing this for years in DotA pubs. Was a lot easier in DotA too due to more good summon heroes like Furion.

Fun against all carry pubscrubs but awful against a coordinated team with a rounded lineup. If you EVER see slither and wildsoul or wildsoul and plague rider on the same team you need to check Kongor.

_Archangel_
12-06-2009, 06:46 PM
EM changes how heroes gain xp and gold, but never the starting parameters. Kongor before the first creepspawn is possible, valid and even sometimes used in tournaments with different hero setups.

You forgot the fact that towers are weaker and thus pushing is much easier in EM

Kelendros
12-06-2009, 06:50 PM
Very entertaining, good show on the fun front!

tzason
12-06-2009, 06:58 PM
this was an epic 7 minutes

yeah...

ChampGylling
12-06-2009, 07:00 PM
Omg that song ruins this movie!

SacTu
12-06-2009, 07:04 PM
lol that was funny

Tachycardia
12-06-2009, 07:05 PM
Icecream2000 is a BIG FAT BABY.

Alakazam2
12-06-2009, 07:07 PM
That was awesome :)

Dub7
12-06-2009, 07:12 PM
Slowest reaction time ever, it took them losing mid tower and two deaths on engineer for them to figure out they should help lol.

Good job anyways, very well done.

Loganator
12-06-2009, 07:13 PM
Forsaken archer would have ended that in just 3 seconds...
Too bad she didn't level her creeps first.

Toonic
12-06-2009, 07:23 PM
We just did this for the fun of it. We almost failed at it. We got the Kongor and 2 Towers. Then started losing. They were lvl 6 and we were like 4. Was still fun though. We won in the end at like 15mins.

Jareth
12-06-2009, 07:29 PM
We just did this for the fun of it. We almost failed at it. We got the Kongor and 2 Towers. Then started losing. They were lvl 6 and we were like 4. Was still fun though. We won in the end at like 15mins.

So they just conceded then?

Framerate
12-06-2009, 08:17 PM
That was ******* great - I don't think anyone on this thread moaning how pathetic you were could have done this.

Sweet video!

ruskor
12-06-2009, 08:28 PM
REGION LOCK

fuuuuuuuuu youtube

Toonic
12-06-2009, 08:29 PM
So they just conceded then?

No. We pushed in and Destroyed their tower. It just happened to of been around the 15 min mark.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 08:38 PM
REGION LOCK

fuuuuuuuuu youtube
=(=[

BIGWANG
12-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Why are people flaming? This is a funny video. Enjoyable to watch

RuntCash
12-06-2009, 08:42 PM
pretty cool vid! the hardest thing for hellbourne was they just didn't know how to react at all as everyone expects the same old thing every game

but what was that engy doing at the start he didnt even attempt to react

NvZn
12-06-2009, 08:45 PM
thanks everyone.

andrewkim47
12-06-2009, 08:45 PM
pretty cool vid! the hardest thing for hellbourne was they just didn't know how to react at all as everyone expects the same old thing every game

but what was that engy doing at the start he didnt even attempt to react
he was waiting for forsaken archer's skelies to...

RuntCash
12-06-2009, 08:55 PM
he was waiting for forsaken archer's skelies to...

...repeat a line that was never funny?

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 10:06 PM
...repeat a line that was never funny?

agreed=/

NvZn
12-06-2009, 10:13 PM
...repeat a line that was never funny?

Lol. Yep. I don't see how FA's skellies would have stopped us... FA would've just died instantly hah.

Kowz
12-06-2009, 10:21 PM
done this dozens of times in DotA, except we didn't do it in -em because that is just boring.

Nothing new.

ps: plague rider is better in the mix

Dhaxius
12-06-2009, 10:27 PM
Had some good times in DotA with this.

/agree Kowz


This is the definition of pubstomp and there's no concede to cut victory short.

Xylias
12-06-2009, 10:27 PM
hurr hurr, nice easy mode win.

Trikk
12-06-2009, 10:37 PM
That was ******* great - I don't think anyone on this thread moaning how pathetic you were could have done this.

Sweet video!
The only hard part is finding 5 people who will stay in a game with one side fully locked, when they have 10% chance to win according to PSR.

tkothethrill
12-06-2009, 10:39 PM
The only hard part is finding 5 people who will stay in a game with one side fully locked, when they have 10% chance to win according to PSR.

You'd be suprised

Atlos
12-07-2009, 12:33 AM
Heh, my roommate just did this with some friends. Won a normal mode game in 15 minutes flat.

socalfusions
12-07-2009, 01:30 AM
Nymphora seems like she would be a great hero for that strategy with the strongest aoe heal and constant mana regen no?

Kitad1
12-07-2009, 02:02 AM
well if you are up against a 3 melee, 5 carry team then yeah, not that hard to push at level 1

Kitad1
12-07-2009, 02:03 AM
nice editing tho

Volture777
12-07-2009, 02:15 AM
it was entertaining, but got too nerdy when you type stuff like "omg, im posting this on youtube" in response to being called a cheater.

RenoFox
12-07-2009, 02:24 AM
Good watch lol.

Might try it out some time for the lol's ;)

y55
12-07-2009, 02:33 AM
AP +pre-made vs pug
u guys suck

Taffer
12-07-2009, 02:44 AM
LOL, people bragging with EM wins.

Meshell
12-07-2009, 02:54 AM
I have to agree. This just proves you suck!
Furthermore, the song sucks!

But this makes sense, I suppose. I would lock you in a basement and make you listen to Led Zeppelin until you stop doing such silly things!

andpancakes
12-07-2009, 02:57 AM
I have to agree. This just proves you suck!
Furthermore, the song sucks!


Jesus Christ. I'm pretty sure it's been clearly stated this was for entertainment purposes only. Has the OP claimed that he was pro? I don't think so. It was an interesting feat, and he posted for all to see. Appreciate the humor and grasp what it really means to win in SEVEN minutes, easy mode or not. It's hysterical.

Misanthrope
12-07-2009, 03:20 AM
This comment on the video on youtube, is hillarious:


amazing, you can pull off a strategy being 5 friends against 5 scrubs with low PSR. Also my ass if it's under 7 minutes, timer says 7:02 when you kill the throne.
Dickheads.

RogerDodger
12-07-2009, 03:21 AM
Nice work

I've done 1 minute kongors before but never bothered to try for a quick win with a push team before.

D_aniel
12-07-2009, 03:53 AM
that was brilliant, goodwork fellas

Bobble
12-07-2009, 03:55 AM
Cheating?

Heizer
12-07-2009, 04:01 AM
I have no rights to watch this movie as german...You Racist!

Granman
12-07-2009, 04:10 AM
Forsaken archer would have ended that in just 3 seconds...

Shut

The

****

Up.

Honestly.

DONTBMAD
12-07-2009, 04:14 AM
Shut

The

****

Up.

Honestly.

the fact that people get upset or at least stress how "tired" they are of reading about the "3 second FA skeleton" meme is what makes it all the more hilarious. :D

carben
12-07-2009, 04:40 AM
I think you were headed to the secret shop the first time you clicked there.


indeed i lol'd

RuntCash
12-07-2009, 05:23 AM
the fact that people get upset or at least stress how "tired" they are of reading about the "3 second FA skeleton" meme is what makes it all the more hilarious. :D

really? dropping into random threads and posting this so called '3 second giggle' is just spam isn't it? :rolleyes:


i think if they had nymphora in that lineup wouldve made it a lot quicker

FragoliTE
12-07-2009, 07:01 AM
Yo Pubstompers I'm really happy for you and I'm gonna let u finish BUT CHUCK NORRIS WHOULD HAVE FINISHED IT UNDER 1 MINUTE! UNDER 1 MINUTE! (Alone)

(I don't think he would play EM though, even if it was for fun)

sidsavierre
12-07-2009, 07:02 AM
at least not 3 seconds.

KingDerp
12-07-2009, 07:32 AM
Lol, the enemies were HORRIBLE. And playing EM? Lol.. We almost always win in 13-15min no-em.
You even let booboo die at start, wtf?
I dont see how one can be proud of this.

Wanna play vs us? just whisper me ingame

:(
:'(

Zaquilak
12-07-2009, 07:52 AM
for all those of you who can't watch it the video at youtube for whatever reason.
(i couldn't watch it first because youtube is blocked here(not @home) :> )
you can relink stuff at imagehack.us
http://img51.imageshack.us/i/1280.mp4/
edit: OP you might add it to the main post.

svedmalm
12-07-2009, 08:04 AM
as if this has never been done before lol...

Tupimus
12-07-2009, 08:13 AM
Accursed would've been better off with Sear for the attack speed bonus, you were against a bunch of EM pubstars...

So many things wrong here.

EDIT: Not just EM pubstars. Pure noob EM pubstars with a ten-second reaction time...

Plain sad.

JeffEmming
12-07-2009, 08:14 AM
really? dropping into random threads and posting this so called '3 second giggle' is just spam isn't it? :rolleyes:


i think if they had nymphora in that lineup wouldve made it a lot quicker
That and buying a flying courier.

Puck
12-07-2009, 08:19 AM
I wholeheartedly approve. Bravo.

Edit: Why not include nymphora?

12-07-2009, 08:32 AM
Accursed would've been better off with Sear for the attack speed bonus, you were against a bunch of EM pubstars...

So many things wrong here.

EDIT: Not just EM pubstars. Pure noob EM pubstars with a ten-second reaction time...

Plain sad.
No, Accursed should shield his targetted teammate. Hence you start off with shield. It's how they kept booboo alive long enough.

If anything, this video shows best why it's important to develop teamskills over personal skills.

Trikk
12-07-2009, 08:34 AM
No, Accursed should shield his targetted teammate. Hence you start off with shield. It's how they kept booboo alive long enough.

If anything, this video shows best why it's important to develop teamskills over personal skills.
The increased dps probably saves more hp than a couple of shields against Kongor.

Bosshansen
12-07-2009, 08:35 AM
Hellbringer is better for a rosh strat because Wildsoul is a terrible hero.
Sigh...

12-07-2009, 10:12 AM
The increased dps probably saves more hp than a couple of shields against Kongor.
Nope, because for each shield release an additional 200 damage is dealt to kongor. And in team fights, if all 5 opponents are there, a 1000 damage would be dealt to the opposing team.

EDIT: forgot about the per level effects, too lazy to look em up, but still, you can get good damage.

Fuga
12-07-2009, 10:19 AM
I enjoyed this.

Dordanov
12-07-2009, 10:46 AM
Haha that was funny indeed! :)

Had a team try it once vs me, 2 friends and 2 randoms when we still played dota. Sort of similar lineup with a Rooftrellen (Keeper of the Forest) in it for the armor/HP regen buff instead of Accursed's shield.

They failed miserably since after they picked their heroes we suspected they would go Roshan (Kongor) from the start. We ganked them and killed the entire team. Now the edge was on our team and we managed an easy win.

It's fun if you can pull it off, sadly it's also easy to counter :P

Whakapapa
12-07-2009, 10:58 AM
Funny vid! Had me entertained even though they were noobs

IntErlIdEr
12-07-2009, 11:03 AM
And we get this in the same epoch in which people complain that pseudo-pro guys host "noobs only" games; the popular opinion is that the pseudo-pro guys get banned.

So why doing this so in the open? I mean, it's non-sense that you expose yourself so blantly just to show-off something that isn't even special.

Intriguing how much dumb one person can get...

~IntEr

matrixfox
12-07-2009, 05:04 PM
:D :D

tkothethrill
12-07-2009, 05:07 PM
And we get this in the same epoch in which people complain that pseudo-pro guys host "noobs only" games; the popular opinion is that the pseudo-pro guys get banned.

So why doing this so in the open? I mean, it's non-sense that you expose yourself so blantly just to show-off something that isn't even special.

Intriguing how much dumb one person can get...

~IntEr

because the people that did this are good players and could care less about peoples opinion and like to make an entertaining video people can enjoy and laugh about. "Intriguing how much dumb one person can get..." and you are calling other people dumb, ffs

matrixfox
12-07-2009, 05:08 PM
And we get this in the same epoch in which people complain that pseudo-pro guys host "noobs only" games; the popular opinion is that the pseudo-pro guys get banned.

So why doing this so in the open? I mean, it's non-sense that you expose yourself so blantly just to show-off something that isn't even special.

Intriguing how much dumb one person can get...

~IntEr


"Intriguing how much dumb one person can get..." What is this I don't even....

arieLOL
12-07-2009, 05:10 PM
my record is pushing a lane in 11 minutes as nymph with a panda partner. panda with unlimited mana isnt fun to play against and heal -> flick into heal -> flurry is a deadly combo

Sinestro
12-07-2009, 05:13 PM
my record is pushing a lane in 11 minutes as nymph with a panda partner. panda with unlimited mana isnt fun to play against and heal -> flick into heal -> flurry is a deadly combo

Flurry is a horrible skill till 9+.

arieLOL
12-07-2009, 05:15 PM
Flurry is a horrible skill till 9+.

maybe in straight out dmg output but no, pushing the enemy hero away from his tower/creeps into your lane partner is amazing, giving you + them additional hits on the target

SteeJanS
12-07-2009, 05:29 PM
I was kinda interested until I noticed it was EM, then I just facepalmed. You tried to be cool, but just ended up looking retarded.

tkothethrill
12-07-2009, 05:29 PM
yea have to agree flurry is pretty bad until 9-10+

MooseSoup
12-07-2009, 05:30 PM
Freakin' Genius!

I didn't read very far into the thread, but it's hilarious how people are raging about this.

tkothethrill
12-07-2009, 05:31 PM
I was kinda interested until I noticed it was EM, then I just facepalmed. You tried to be cool, but just ended up looking retarded.

yea we tryed to look cool.......sigh....exactly what we were trying to do. Glad you can read my mind, ****in mind-readers

NvZn
12-07-2009, 05:44 PM
yea we tryed to look cool.......sigh....exactly what we were trying to do. Glad you can read my mind, ****in mind-readers

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ 100%

TDA101
12-07-2009, 05:52 PM
Great work guys, nice music, made it enjoyable. Can you guys do a non-em version?

The funny/greatest parts are the dumb things those noobs do, IE Engi Bloodlust.
----------------------
Experienced Players will stop this because good plays gank rune at first blood and Hellbourne will have vision over rune and Kongor. Players also need to buy there items faster as well!

Colin_tank
12-07-2009, 06:04 PM
Great work guys, nice music, made it enjoyable. Can you guys do a non-em version?

The funny/greatest parts are the dumb things those noobs do, IE Engi Bloodlust.
----------------------
Experienced Players will stop this because good plays gank rune at first blood and Hellbourne will have vision over rune and Kongor. Players also need to buy there items faster as well!

You can't win a Non EM game like that. Towers are too strong honestly, they kill creeps faster and you kill them slower.

tkothethrill
12-07-2009, 06:24 PM
:o
You can't win a Non EM game like that. Towers are too strong honestly, they kill creeps faster and you kill them slower.

not that you can't win but no way in 7 minutes

RedRum
12-07-2009, 06:29 PM
Awesome song, retarded hero matchup. If you didn't win that in 7 minutes there is a problem.

Well_Shebber
12-07-2009, 07:38 PM
Tried this strategy with the same lineup in a non-EM game, on Hellbourne. We won in 15 minutes.

The other team was much better though. They had a Chronos who farmed up to level 10 while we were pushing, and came back near the end to give us a heck of a fight. It still works though.

Sillocan
12-07-2009, 07:40 PM
lol that is our team sometimes ;P accursed, jera, but we have voodoo not shaman

OMGWTF
12-07-2009, 08:37 PM
This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.

zzzzzz

america, f**k yeah

Frostmourne
12-07-2009, 08:50 PM
lol @ the ragers.

Good job, OP, very entertaining video.

tkothethrill
12-07-2009, 08:53 PM
america, f**k yeah

yea america is pretty ballin

anyfloyd
12-07-2009, 09:04 PM
haha, nice video. i remember trying the same thing in dota back in the day, in normal mode though, so it was a fair bit harder. you got lucky in the respect that they had riki / rampage on the other team, absolutely zilch lane control.. pred isn't great either i guess.

the moment you get cats like behemoth and plague rider on the team though, it gets much harder.. legionnaire too.

one thing you might want to consider is sending everybody away from kongor when he is one hit, so wildsoul gets all the xp. you would get demolish instantly. also i might consider trading plague in for somebody, armouring the bear helps both during kongor and tower pushing and his nuke is good too. oh, and i didn't see a ring of the teacher.. maybe i missed it, but you need one of them too.

tkothethrill
12-07-2009, 09:13 PM
haha, nice video. i remember trying the same thing in dota back in the day, in normal mode though, so it was a fair bit harder. you got lucky in the respect that they had riki / rampage on the other team, absolutely zilch lane control.. pred isn't great either i guess.

the moment you get cats like behemoth and plague rider on the team though, it gets much harder.. legionnaire too.

one thing you might want to consider is sending everybody away from kongor when he is one hit, so wildsoul gets all the xp. you would get demolish instantly. also i might consider trading plague in for somebody, armouring the bear helps both during kongor and tower pushing and his nuke is good too. oh, and i didn't see a ring of the teacher.. maybe i missed it, but you need one of them too.
yea not really planning on ever doing this again=] but anyone eles feel free to try

Fat`
12-07-2009, 09:21 PM
Oh btw, Here is the Kongor strat being used in a tournament ladder match. OFC they didn't face roll them to victory down mid lane. But they ended up winning.

http://www.gamestah.com/file/view/3212

It worked against 2 competent teams non -em.

Jareth
12-07-2009, 09:36 PM
Lovin it, lovin it, phone, lovin it. :D

NvZn
12-07-2009, 09:45 PM
Tried this strategy with the same lineup in a non-EM game, on Hellbourne. We won in 15 minutes.

The other team was much better though. They had a Chronos who farmed up to level 10 while we were pushing, and came back near the end to give us a heck of a fight. It still works though.

Haha nice.

Le3t
12-07-2009, 09:54 PM
honestly you noobs need to stfu. They found something fun and enjoyable and shared with us. No one give a **** about your negative comments.

Sauron`
12-07-2009, 10:00 PM
lol'd @ "Cheating"
--"yup"

ahaha

Anarchist
12-07-2009, 10:03 PM
kudos

i could care less if this was against a bunch of noobs or what ever, killing kong and then taking out 5 towers and throne in 7mins, and pretty much every one being under level 7 or 8 is good imo.

dont feel like reading whole thread of nerds raging and being jealous cuz they cant do what you guys did.

But how many deaths did you guys have and how many arcane rings

Zegelmorph
12-07-2009, 10:07 PM
This can also fail quite spectacularly if the enemy team has some competent anti-push heroes. Some guys tried this against my team this morning and went down in flames.

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=15106557

Pushing fast against Behemoth, Engineer, and Plague? Good luck with that :)

d3
12-07-2009, 10:10 PM
This was fun to watch :)

tkothethrill
12-07-2009, 10:10 PM
kudos

i could care less if this was against a bunch of noobs or what ever, killing kong and then taking out 5 towers and throne in 7mins, and pretty much every one being under level 7 or 8 is good imo.

dont feel like reading whole thread of nerds raging and being jealous cuz they cant do what you guys did.

But how many deaths did you guys have and how many arcane rings

we had 1 death, ****in slither dumb noob=] and we ended up with 2 arcane rings but slithers death led him to getting the arcane ring which was alot easier anyway then going back since we had no courier

Sauron`
12-07-2009, 10:11 PM
I think they had 1 death at the end

tkothethrill
12-07-2009, 10:12 PM
I think they had 1 death at the end

to slow :D

tzason
12-07-2009, 10:13 PM
This can also fail quite spectacularly if the enemy team has some competent anti-push heroes. Some guys tried this against my team this morning and went down in flames.

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=15106557

Pushing fast against Behemoth, Engineer, and Plague? Good luck with that :)

You made my day. This is now a success in my book xD

NvZn
12-07-2009, 10:21 PM
You made my day. This is now a success in my book xD

Haha exactly.

_swEEt
12-07-2009, 11:55 PM
tried this twice first time we failed sadly due to a poor healer who we made wild soul the next time. also i believe that instead of accursed plauge is better to pick as we can do it with jsut the shield the bear doesnt die and plauges ulti + slow and mega damage helps alot to kill or make them go heal.

`Cappuccino
12-08-2009, 12:04 AM
ap games lol

edit: I still lol'd, this was ******* great. I messaged that pred after i saw and laughed at him.

tkothethrill
12-08-2009, 06:37 AM
ap games lol

edit: I still lol'd, this was ******* great. I messaged that pred after i saw and laughed at him.
i feel bad for icecream2000 =(