Dark Lady

[Yottabit]

Current skills:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8595/darkladyskills.png

As she currently is, Dark Lady feels somewhat weak. Some of her skills are a bit weak and her mana costs are too high for her to afford.

Changes I think should be done to her:


Dark Blades:

This skill is pretty good. It probably doesn't need a buff (If anything I guess you could reduce the cooldown a little bit).Taint Soul:

This skill just feels weak. The mana cost is really high for a low int agi hero at high lvls and it does pretty low damage and the slow isn't all that great (especially since the slow cecreases over the duration).
Proposed buffs:
-Mana cost to 120 at all lvls.
-Slows for 4 seconds at all lvls.
-Damage changed to 75/150/225/300.Charging Strikes:

It's ok, but it's too useless on early lvls. The manacost is high, the cooldown is high and you got really low damage at this point anyway.
Proposed buffs:
-Change manacost to be 55 at all lvls.Cover of Darkness:

This skill is good, it doesn't really need a buff. The way the mana cost scales is a bit stupid though. It's really low on lvl 1, then suddenly it's tripled on lvl 2. Imo it should be changed to this:
- 100/150/200 mana cost.

[ilmer]

anytime i play with dark lady... i do VERY well.

i feel the key to playing her is understanding that she is more of a late game hero than anything.. but she does have some great abilities.

as far as a skill build, i max charge first because of the reasons u stated.. this gives me a 55 mana cost, and a much faster cooldown.. allowing u to apply your silence and charge through ur enemies in team fights... and then even use it again to run away

so imo, max charge with 1 level of slow and 1 level of silence..
play very passive... and farm your items. battlefury is a great item as it works with ur charge, making u farm lanes much faster. along with the regen to help u stay in lane and farm earlier game with the sustainer.

dont go for kills unless you have your teammates around u, u are fairly useless without help early.

try again and see if you still thinks shes underpowered :)
<3

[GamlaSonn]

She rocks, don't see need for buff

[evol1]

Nice screen shot!

[Boduar]

Love playing her as long as my team has glacius ... without him she is very very bad early-mid game because of only being able to do 3 moves before being completely out of mana and useless.

[Twotall88]

lol i was gonna say she is VERY powerful, you just have to play her right

[GamlaSonn]

Exactly, early on get some cheap stats items and skill dark blades and charging strikes first. Dark blades gives you ridicolus damage, so just time your charges right and you'll be one fearsome warrior on the battlefield

[pastor]

nerf her ulti for god sake!

Ult + 5v5 gank = game over
If people stack to see what is happening they get hit by a area of effect stun, if they don't, they die one at a time....

FGS, just go stats + ult and you have a free win if your team knows anything about teamplay...

[Dosequis2]

Dark Lady is by FAR the most overpowered hero in the game. Unfortunately too many people fail to grasp the cruicial point that she is completely mana dependant. With the exception of predator, she can take anyone on 1v1 end game with ease.

If people are complaining about mana issues, there is a reason for it. If she didnt' have mana issues, she would be far far too easy to play. Next time you play her, get yourself a silence stick...then hp/lifesteal. If the game has lasted that long, you've just farmed your way into taking on entire teams.

Her ult is insane - and for those of you too new to have played against it when used properly, you will eventually find that the loss of sight and global slow is possibly the strongest ult in the game for team play....and afterall this is a team game.

As most people are pretty much terrible at building her effectively early, i'm sure this hero will get a buff or two before a massive nerf once people's skill levels catch up.

As much as people think Madman is OP - and he is - Dark Lady owns his ass with ease.

Just my 2 dark lady cents.

[ilmer]

Dark Lady is by FAR the most overpowered hero in the game. Unfortunately too many people fail to grasp the cruicial point that she is completely mana dependant. With the exception of predator, she can take anyone on 1v1 end game with ease.

If people are complaining about mana issues, there is a reason for it. If she didnt' have mana issues, she would be far far too easy to play. Next time you play her, get yourself a silence stick...then hp/lifesteal. If the game has lasted that long, you've just farmed your way into taking on entire teams.

Her ult is insane - and for those of you too new to have played against it when used properly, you will eventually find that the loss of sight and global slow is possibly the strongest ult in the game for team play....and afterall this is a team game.

As most people are pretty much terrible at building her effectively early, i'm sure this hero will get a buff or two before a massive nerf once people's skill levels catch up.

As much as people think Madman is OP - and he is - Dark Lady owns his ass with ease.

Just my 2 dark lady cents.
her ult is very easily countered.

any good players or good teams know that the second she ults, you all ping yourself on the minimap and then find the closest place for u all to meet ><

and i definitely do not agree with silence stick as an item for her.. but thats just me

[Briskky]

i want to see a replay of this dark lady ownage, i've played her a few times and i think she is god awful.

if you say she is ownage and all you do is play against nubs, of course she will be fine. try playing against people who know what their doing and nuke her brains out early or dont let her creep, then say shes op.

This hero is hands down the worst i've played by far, aside from her ult which can be countered with good communication and teamwork, she is TERRIBLE for team fights and offers nothing but a crappy 2.5 aoe silence, which krob has and its much longer, and easier to target from far range.

Im convinced her only good ability is Dark blades. Everything else is too gimpy.

Plus, her base stats SUCK

Like i said, post a replay of someone owning with her that is NOT against complete nublets, then i'll be convinced.

[Ryno2112]

if you're like most people, you're probably playing her wrong. This isn't to say you suck or that you're retarded, just her optimal play style contrasts drastically with the play style of the rest of the game atm.

check out the level 1s of each abillity:

Dark Blades

Mana Cost: 75
Cool Down: 25
Description: +70% base damage and 2.5 seconds silence on hit for 3 seconds
comments: this is a silence not a damage buffer. late game, it's both, but early to mid it's a silence.


Taint Soul

Mana Cost: 90
Cool Down: 12
Description: deals 75 magic damage and reduces movement speed by 60% for 2 seconds
Comments: once again ignore the damage, this is a slow and a GREAT slow at early game.


Charging Strikes

Mana Cost:100
Cool Down: 21
Description: blink range of 600 does attack damage.
Comments: shitty blinka t level one I'll get back to this.


Cover of Darkness

Mana Cost: 50
Cool Down: 120
Description: reduces movement speed by 5% shrinks vision to 500 and unlinks shared view with allies for 7 seconds.
Comments: This ult is just amazing will get back to it.


So if you look at her level one versions of each spell, you'll notice that all but blink are good stand alone at level one. Blink is even still useful but is shitty compared to others. The Ult even doesn't need to be leveled. So you can get away with only leveling blink until you have enough mana to spam. Let me put the skill build out there for you:

lvl 1: Charging strikes
lvl 2: Dark Blades
lvl 3: charging strikes
lvl 4: Taint Soul
lvl 5: Charging Strikes
lvl 6: Cover of Darkness
lvl 7: charging strikes
lvl 8: stats
lvl 9: stats
lvl 10: stats
lvl 11: Dark Blades
lvl 12: Dark Blades
lvl 13: stats
lvl 14: stats
lvl 15: Taint Soul
lvl 16: Taint Soul
lvl 17: Taint Soul
lvl 18: Dark Blades
lvl 19: Covr of Darkness
lvl 20: Cover of Darkness
lvl 21: stats
lvl 22: stats
lvl 23: stats
lvl 24: stats
lvl 25: stats


no doubt you notice a ton of takign stats before leveling abillities. The idea here is you're a gangker. you use your ult to gangk before you get int here so the enemies don't know who's getting gangked until they're dead or something is said. you have your 60% slow to keep up with them along with your blink a 2.5 second silence nad your ult slows them down by 5%. at the early game, this **** is DEVASTATING. What's more is every level you grab much mroe hp, damage,a rmor, mana, etc than anyone else cuz your'e getting stats cuz your skills are jsut fine at level 1! need mana? make an abyssal skull bam, you got mana regen, damage, armor, AND life steal. I mean damn that's nice. need more? make a b-fury, KAPOW more mana regen, a huge amount of damage, CLEAVE attack, and health regen. you get these two items you can't run out of mana witht his build. A majority of the time you wont even need b-fury, so you can go something better like rift shards to whatever the BDK equivalent is (X2 crit) or get windwalk to make you an even better gangker.

The idea is you use her skills at level one and gangkw ith her up her stats then up her abillities when it's worth it. at the early game the difference between 70% base damage and 110% is stupid. The mana cost for the slow is ridiculous to use for the damage and you don't really need it on them for more than 2 seconds until later game when they get more life, and cover of darkness is butt sex at level 1. I mean you blockt heir ally vision, shrinkt heir vision, AND slow them for 50 friggen mana. Leveling it more than level one adds 100 mana each time. for what? a little less visioin, a couple more seconds? NOT WORTH IT.

use this strat and I gaurentee you wont be asking for a buff anymore. it's just realizing that she isn't built to level her skills up as fast as she can.

[reno]

she is buff end of story

[Briskky]

if you're like most people, you're probably playing her wrong. This isn't to say you suck or that you're retarded, just her optimal play style contrasts drastically with the play style of the rest of the game atm.

check out the level 1s of each abillity:

Dark Blades

Mana Cost: 75
Cool Down: 25
Description: +70% base damage and 2.5 seconds silence on hit for 3 seconds
comments: this is a silence not a damage buffer. late game, it's both, but early to mid it's a silence.


Taint Soul

Mana Cost: 90
Cool Down: 12
Description: deals 75 magic damage and reduces movement speed by 60% for 2 seconds
Comments: once again ignore the damage, this is a slow and a GREAT slow at early game.


Charging Strikes

Mana Cost:100
Cool Down: 21
Description: blink range of 600 does attack damage.
Comments: shitty blinka t level one I'll get back to this.


Cover of Darkness

Mana Cost: 50
Cool Down: 120
Description: reduces movement speed by 5% shrinks vision to 500 and unlinks shared view with allies for 7 seconds.
Comments: This ult is just amazing will get back to it.


So if you look at her level one versions of each spell, you'll notice that all but blink are good stand alone at level one. Blink is even still useful but is shitty compared to others. The Ult even doesn't need to be leveled. So you can get away with only leveling blink until you have enough mana to spam. Let me put the skill build out there for you:

lvl 1: Charging strikes
lvl 2: Dark Blades
lvl 3: charging strikes
lvl 4: Taint Soul
lvl 5: Charging Strikes
lvl 6: Cover of Darkness
lvl 7: charging strikes
lvl 8: stats
lvl 9: stats
lvl 10: stats
lvl 11: Dark Blades
lvl 12: Dark Blades
lvl 13: stats
lvl 14: stats
lvl 15: Taint Soul
lvl 16: Taint Soul
lvl 17: Taint Soul
lvl 18: Dark Blades
lvl 19: Covr of Darkness
lvl 20: Cover of Darkness
lvl 21: stats
lvl 22: stats
lvl 23: stats
lvl 24: stats
lvl 25: stats


no doubt you notice a ton of takign stats before leveling abillities. The idea here is you're a gangker. you use your ult to gangk before you get int here so the enemies don't know who's getting gangked until they're dead or something is said. you have your 60% slow to keep up with them along with your blink a 2.5 second silence nad your ult slows them down by 5%. at the early game, this **** is DEVASTATING. What's more is every level you grab much mroe hp, damage,a rmor, mana, etc than anyone else cuz your'e getting stats cuz your skills are jsut fine at level 1! need mana? make an abyssal skull bam, you got mana regen, damage, armor, AND life steal. I mean damn that's nice. need more? make a b-fury, KAPOW more mana regen, a huge amount of damage, CLEAVE attack, and health regen. you get these two items you can't run out of mana witht his build. A majority of the time you wont even need b-fury, so you can go something better like rift shards to whatever the BDK equivalent is (X2 crit) or get windwalk to make you an even better gangker.

The idea is you use her skills at level one and gangkw ith her up her stats then up her abillities when it's worth it. at the early game the difference between 70% base damage and 110% is stupid. The mana cost for the slow is ridiculous to use for the damage and you don't really need it on them for more than 2 seconds until later game when they get more life, and cover of darkness is butt sex at level 1. I mean you blockt heir ally vision, shrinkt heir vision, AND slow them for 50 friggen mana. Leveling it more than level one adds 100 mana each time. for what? a little less visioin, a couple more seconds? NOT WORTH IT.

use this strat and I gaurentee you wont be asking for a buff anymore. it's just realizing that she isn't built to level her skills up as fast as she can.


This is fail for a few reasons...

You say blah blah you get stats and you'll have more hp than everyone else blah blah. You take stats at level 8???? LOL the enemy heros are gonna laugh at this, because they ALREADY have more hp than you. Dark Lady gets stats to get ON PAR with other heros starting HP.

EVEN BEFORE this though, you fail because you don't mention how hard the lane is going to be. When me and my friend lane against dark lady, we LOL. Because we know she is going to get BLOWN UP if she thinks about creeping. I'll admit, her dark blade ability is good, but that is about it, and at level 1, im not afraid of it. Dark lady is so easily harassed in the lane, and this makes it almost impossible for her to get money. So by the time you have your lil vlads, expect the lane your in to have early game items to boost their stats x10 more than dark lady will have.

Taint soul, the slow...absolutely TERRIBLE!!!! A slow that slows for an AMAZING (lulz) 5 seconds??? And the enemy even recovers MS over that 5 seconds??? Compare that to Venos level 1 sting, perhaps armadons goo, Madmans barrel roll, and the list goes further than that. The best part is, those heros primary their slows, thus they get way more powerful than that level 1 taint soul. I look at it this way as well...Let's take stunners who can stun heros for a few seconds like for example, Sven (or the hammerer whatever the heck hes called) He can stun at level 1 for 2 seconds and also do 100 dmg. Dark lady at level 1 slows for 2 seconds (OMG 2 SECOND SLOW) and does 50 dmg? And dark lady ganking with a level 1 slow is Lulz, yeah slow the guy for 2 seconds, that will show him.

Her ult is funny too, rank 1 isnt even that big a deal. The other ranks are good but with proper team coordination, this will be countered.

I could state other reasons you failed, but im kinda bored of it already (lulz)

I will say the only way i think she could be decent is against pubbies who don't know what they are doing, or MAYBE if you have a decent jerezia in your lane that can heal you when you blink in, that is all, otherwise TERRIBLE HERO.

[Supremacy]

Nah, the best is using her ultimate and backdooring their base since their team can't see anything, then when it wears off they are like "WTF HAPPENED TO MAH RAXX!?"

[Idejder]

My brain hurts.

[Briskky]

My brain hurts.


T_T

All you need to know is that Dark Lady says "tighter" in a sexual voice.

Win.

[Idejder]

In more serious games, I have never seen dark lady destroy. At most she does moderate, but still gets stomped on.

[Briskky]

In more serious games, I have never seen dark lady destroy. At most she does moderate, but still gets stomped on.


Yeah this is true, and in my rant of lulz i should have said this, but it was sorta implied.

It's hard to say she's good when she really doesnt provide anything special for the team besides an ult thats on a long cooldown. In serious games i really can't see her being more effective than other heroes. Her ult reminds me of tidehunters in dota, cept tide's ult is obviously 10x better and he has a slow nuke that also applies minus armor, and is a much better tank.

I'm finding it hard to pick this character over other gankers or agi carries, cause there's really no reason to.

[Nome]

It's mainly because she has no laning capability AT ALL.
It's her HP and mana pool--both are too low to do any sort of sustained harassing or whatever.

At level 5, though, she can do some HEAVY damage against most low-mid HP heroes like Pyromancer, provided she's got a lanemate with a nuke/slow/disable.

[Ryno2112]

Blah Blah Blah I think I know something when I don't


k lets go over a few things brah. you know what one of the most common warlock builds is in comp play? if you guessed shadow word/ stats then you might know something about playing DotA/HoN. so any point that you're trying to make on stats is completely invalid.

NEXT. You say laning is horrible with her. She's got low hp, but that doesn't mean ANYTHING. Yes if you jsut sit there and auto attack and hope for the best, bad times ahead. but if you have any lightbulbs going on in your head you can time out running in and running out and getting last hits. Not to mention I -don't- lane long she isn't a laner. at all. I'm out of my lane by 7. BY SEVEN. that's saying I decided to stick around. So what am I doing not in lane? Oh I dunno, using my blink to gangk, dark blades to silence and taint to slow as well as using ult to cover my gangk.

"Oh but slow only lasts for 5 seconds Ryno"

yeh? it's a SIXTY PERCENT SLOW! you have 522 MS? guess what? that's at 261 now gg. It is pretty much a 2 second stun at level 1 and as time goes it's a 3 second stun 2 second slow.

"ok ok, but her ult is still funny."

How so? she gets 7 seconds of every enemy losing 5% of their MS no,t hat's not a lot, but it helps more than you know. Obviously. it also shrinks vision and cuts ally vision. I wonder if you even know how importantt hat is when gangking.

"yeh,b ut you're gangking with a 2 second slow! lolololol"

Gangk works like this, run in, hit, slow, hit hit hit, blink, dakr blades, hit hit. and by this time it's already over. it's ALREADY OVER. unless your'e doing stupid **** like gangking Legionaire with a melee hero.









so what's my point? my point is yes, if you're braind ead you're gunna suck with her, she's like Lanaya. You need to think before you do. If you incoporate strategy, have good awareness, can predict, and so forth you can use this hero. Once people start experimenting more with her and understanding how she works more, you'll start seeing her more in competitive play. She silences, she slows, she blinks, and her ult is invaluable.

[Steakmancer]

She is a late-game carry, that's it. Do people ***** about Mortred or Troll being **** early-game? No, because they wreck **** if they farm, and they know that they can't do much early-game. Just farm, pay attention to mia's and keep a tp scroll in hand if there are too many people missing from your minimap. You even have an incredible escape skill, unlike Troll, and it's better than Mortred's blink attack. Quit whining and farm. You will emerge a great butterfly of death, with dps off the charts, and with almost all of your skills scalable, you won't stop killing everyone at 25.

Some of you people are just incredibly stupid.

[Orcheon]

I think the mana scaling of her ult is dumb. But the cost needs to be raised, now lowered--her ult is insanely good even at level 1.

Change the mana cost of her ult from 50/150/250 to 125/175/225.

[Briskky]

k lets go over a few things brah. you know what one of the most common warlock builds is in comp play? if you guessed shadow word/ stats then you might know something about playing DotA/HoN. so any point that you're trying to make on stats is completely invalid.

NEXT. You say laning is horrible with her. She's got low hp, but that doesn't mean ANYTHING. Yes if you jsut sit there and auto attack and hope for the best, bad times ahead. but if you have any lightbulbs going on in your head you can time out running in and running out and getting last hits. Not to mention I -don't- lane long she isn't a laner. at all. I'm out of my lane by 7. BY SEVEN. that's saying I decided to stick around. So what am I doing not in lane? Oh I dunno, using my blink to gangk, dark blades to silence and taint to slow as well as using ult to cover my gangk.

"Oh but slow only lasts for 5 seconds Ryno"

yeh? it's a SIXTY PERCENT SLOW! you have 522 MS? guess what? that's at 261 now gg. It is pretty much a 2 second stun at level 1 and as time goes it's a 3 second stun 2 second slow.

"ok ok, but her ult is still funny."

How so? she gets 7 seconds of every enemy losing 5% of their MS no,t hat's not a lot, but it helps more than you know. Obviously. it also shrinks vision and cuts ally vision. I wonder if you even know how importantt hat is when gangking.

"yeh,b ut you're gangking with a 2 second slow! lolololol"

Gangk works like this, run in, hit, slow, hit hit hit, blink, dakr blades, hit hit. and by this time it's already over. it's ALREADY OVER. unless your'e doing stupid **** like gangking Legionaire with a melee hero.









so what's my point? my point is yes, if you're braind ead you're gunna suck with her, she's like Lanaya. You need to think before you do. If you incoporate strategy, have good awareness, can predict, and so forth you can use this hero. Once people start experimenting more with her and understanding how she works more, you'll start seeing her more in competitive play. She silences, she slows, she blinks, and her ult is invaluable.

This is rated F for FAIL.

First off, warlock is not Dark lady...LOL stats on warlock is good you know why? The rest of abilities suck besides fatal bonds. So stats make a good thing to get early due to his already high base dmg. And it provides with more mana to spam word.

Summary - i wasnt bashing stats on warlock, i was bashing the previous posters stat build on Dark Lady, learn to read. He took stats at level 8, not earlier like warlock is in competitive play. Plus, like i said...2 different heroes, come on now.

Next point: Going in and out on creep kills? Are you retarded? Did you not read what i said? The minute she goes in me and my friend will just blast her, and once we have the lane control which is easy to establish cause dark lady provides next to none, we play what we call halfsies. Which is, playing on their side where they come in to last hit, thus they CAN'T come in to last hit, because we spam them with spells or attacks so they dont have the hp to come up to last hit. If we cannot do so due to the partner or dark lady being with a hero that is useful (say jereziah) then you are correct, you can go in and out.

Next fail : Your theory on Ganking. Okay so you first RUN IN...okay because the skilled players who actually watch the minimap and are aware a dark lady is missing aren't going to run away when they see a dark lady running at them. That is first fail. But Briskky!!!! Dark lady will pop the ult!!!! OH RLY? WELL IM SURE IF ITS DARK IM GOING TO STAY PUT AND NOT RUN BACK TO TOWER??!?! Since the dark lady is already MIA you know to play conservative, and to stay back a little...especially if the opposing heroes look like they want to try and get some spells off.

Next fail : the previous build is what i was mainly making fun of, since he got stats mainly and not slow, the slow was 2 seconds...what is even more funny is you said "its basically like a 2 sec stun" NO no its not! They can in return stun you after you get slowed, or they just nuke your brains out...and they recover their ms over the next 2 seconds so 30 percent is recovered after 1 second? (theory)

Next Fail, use dark blades before you get the majority of hits in (lulz at your hit hit hit thing) and it only lasts 5 seconds anyway, assuming the person is running away, you may hit them twice in those 5 seconds.

Next Fail : at level 6 you do realize that vision thing isn't that fantastic, in fact in a lane i can usually see my ally pretty easy. And plus i said her ult later is good, but you probably failed to read that cause you lolnerdraged.

I like your last point, "she silences, she slows, she blinks..." Grats??! A gimp hero who can do all of those things yet not more effective than heroes that primary those attributes, for example. Defiler has a longer bigger aoe range silence. Magebane has a blink that goes through terrain, as far as i saw so far, Dark ladys does not pass through levels of elevation, but i may be wrong. Slithers Slow is aoe does more dmg (factored in AOE) and aoe slows...if hit. Her only decent abilities are dark blades and her ult, however her stats suck so much she can't even chain them at level 7.

Estimated mana cost at level 7-8 for chaining abilities = 360. Assuming you have full mana you may be able to get them all off once, but i doubt it. BTW this last word, dark blades only last 5 seconds at full rank, thats what, 2-3 autos? comparing her to lanaya is dumb because lanaya has a better slow, better burst dmg (with minus armor) and dark blades on steriods which also gives her dmg mitigation. Btw she cleaves and is ranged.

I will continue to play her more to see if she will be valuable in competitive play, but i highly doubt it.

Edit: why did i even bother posting this when the previous poster doesn't even have a positive KDR T_T.

[Briskky]

She is a late-game carry, that's it. Do people ***** about Mortred or Troll being **** early-game? No, because they wreck **** if they farm, and they know that they can't do much early-game. Just farm, pay attention to mia's and keep a tp scroll in hand if there are too many people missing from your minimap. You even have an incredible escape skill, unlike Troll, and it's better than Mortred's blink attack. Quit whining and farm. You will emerge a great butterfly of death, with dps off the charts, and with almost all of your skills scalable, you won't stop killing everyone at 25.

Some of you people are just incredibly stupid.

Lets take PA first. Pa is **** in the lane yes...very true. She can go bottom and creep pull, and ALSO last hit with dagger which is entirely way too easy...= win PA. Can jungle with ease as well, due to evasion +lifesteal + crit.

Lets take troll. A ranged hero who has a good last hit animation with decent base dmg and good harassing capabilities. Who later can jungle with ease with lifesteal + bash and natural attack speeed.

Dark lady - no laning last hit abilities if the opposing heros are playing up and making sure you are paying for it if you even try to last hit. Can not jungle well due to no evasion, poor starting hp and only one ability that helps mow creeps (dark blades)

Next point, in competitive play most people buy wards for the opposing jungle if they know there is a jungle hero. So you don't even see troll or PA picked often cause they don't bring much to the table in team fights unless they are incredibly farmed, and what team is going to let a troll or pa (or maybe lulz lady) farm??? How stupid would that be? With woods control using wards it makes those heros useless.

[Ryno2112]

Dude you make NO valid points. AT ALL. You're assuming SO MUCH. lets take in a lot of yoru assumptions on the player of Dark Lady.

-she gets nos tat items with starting gold
-she gets no regen items starting gold
-she has no laning partner
-she's gangking alone
-she only gangks those with a laning partner
-she's spamming her non spammable spells.
-she doesn't blink away from your target stuns
-You're better than the player.


Since you know DotA term I'm gunna jsut starting using DotA terms for everything it's easier.

When I play Dark Lady, I get guantlets and slippers, 1 gg branch a mana pot, tangos, and salves. That gives me everythign I need to Lane enough to get xp and some gold before I start gangking.

when I start gangking, I grab another player to help. I ult, they stun cuz I'm not gunna grab a player who can't stun durr hurr. Or if I'm using the current laning player they bait by charging stupidly in. i come in behind, bam free hit. Throw slow on the gangked, they can't move, hit them with my silence (depending on the hero I'll use dark blade first or not), and then when I need to blink ahead. Thanks to my stats, I'll prolly have enough mana for either another blink or another slow by the time I need it. Meanwhile, the other team has no idea till it's too late that they just lost a guy. Why? cuz they can't see, so allt hey know is it's not them getting gangked. The person getting gangk can type out he's getting gangked, but he wont cuz he's too busy tryign to avoid an unavoidable death.

This goes on until they start leaving their lane, then i'm looking to bump into them while they're running around by themselves. By this time I've racked up a few kills and probably have most if not all of my abyssal plus my phase boots. Sometimes I go treads, but that's onyl when there's lots of nukers and I need hp. Usually i don't need more mana regen so i go for my Crystalis and then BDK. and so forth.

I make a lot of assumptions, but I'm also giving a best case scanrio for my play style. worst case scenario is really my team mates not workign with me.

Yes, that means I play Dark lady as a support gangker. if I rack up enough kills she becomes the carry if I don't then she stays as the support gangker,w hich she happens to be an AMAZING support gangker.






Your whole argument is that she can't lane well ergo she's a shitty carry. the problem is, she isn't a carry until late game, until late game she's a support gangker.


on a less debate-ish note, don't rag on her cuz you don't know her fully yet. she's a great character, just requries a different level of thinking than the rest of the game. Which is why i compare her to Lanaya. Both are glass cannons with good skills ynergy leading to a uique niche withint he game, however the niche isn't an easy one to fulfill and if you don't ahve the skill or the know-how of the play style yet, then you're gunna get owned, hard.

[DeathBlade1]

The person getting gangk can type out he's getting gangked, but he wont cuz he's too busy tryign to avoid an unavoidable death.
This is sigworthy

[Briskky]

Dude you make NO valid points. AT ALL. You're assuming SO MUCH. lets take in a lot of yoru assumptions on the player of Dark Lady.

-she gets nos tat items with starting gold
-she gets no regen items starting gold
-she has no laning partner
-she's gangking alone
-she only gangks those with a laning partner
-she's spamming her non spammable spells.
-she doesn't blink away from your target stuns
-You're better than the player.


Since you know DotA term I'm gunna jsut starting using DotA terms for everything it's easier.

When I play Dark Lady, I get guantlets and slippers, 1 gg branch a mana pot, tangos, and salves. That gives me everythign I need to Lane enough to get xp and some gold before I start gangking.

when I start gangking, I grab another player to help. I ult, they stun cuz I'm not gunna grab a player who can't stun durr hurr. Or if I'm using the current laning player they bait by charging stupidly in. i come in behind, bam free hit. Throw slow on the gangked, they can't move, hit them with my silence (depending on the hero I'll use dark blade first or not), and then when I need to blink ahead. Thanks to my stats, I'll prolly have enough mana for either another blink or another slow by the time I need it. Meanwhile, the other team has no idea till it's too late that they just lost a guy. Why? cuz they can't see, so allt hey know is it's not them getting gangked. The person getting gangk can type out he's getting gangked, but he wont cuz he's too busy tryign to avoid an unavoidable death.

This goes on until they start leaving their lane, then i'm looking to bump into them while they're running around by themselves. By this time I've racked up a few kills and probably have most if not all of my abyssal plus my phase boots. Sometimes I go treads, but that's onyl when there's lots of nukers and I need hp. Usually i don't need more mana regen so i go for my Crystalis and then BDK. and so forth.

I make a lot of assumptions, but I'm also giving a best case scanrio for my play style. worst case scenario is really my team mates not workign with me.

Yes, that means I play Dark lady as a support gangker. if I rack up enough kills she becomes the carry if I don't then she stays as the support gangker,w hich she happens to be an AMAZING support gangker.






Your whole argument is that she can't lane well ergo she's a shitty carry. the problem is, she isn't a carry until late game, until late game she's a support gangker.


on a less debate-ish note, don't rag on her cuz you don't know her fully yet. she's a great character, just requries a different level of thinking than the rest of the game. Which is why i compare her to Lanaya. Both are glass cannons with good skills ynergy leading to a uique niche withint he game, however the niche isn't an easy one to fulfill and if you don't ahve the skill or the know-how of the play style yet, then you're gunna get owned, hard.

Fail again, you are too stupid to comprehend what i am saying...

Even with her laning partner, against anybody who plays competitively you WILL NOT do well. Me and my friend always pick heroes that go well together...i am NOT talking about pubs that you play, where people will let you creep with ease. The point is, dark lady can not withstand harass, even WITH regen, because the harass is too great and her hp is too low.

You say the team wont know?? umm HELLO? the map turns dark and for example, a friend will say "dark lady ganking bottom" you know what happens then? A TEAM FULL OF PORTS! Suck on that dark lady.

My arguement is against skilled players she can't lane ergo she can't farm ergo she CANT gank or carry MORE EFFECTIVELY than other ganking characters. You also assume those you gank are stupid, and the team doesnt call mia or have solid communication OR the opposing team doesnt have wards. If we have wards we can see lady going to a location and effectively port ( yes we put wards so they can see if ppl are porting to towers at times)

And for the record, i never assumed she didnt have regen or a laning partner, im just saying it doesn't matter, because she offers little to no support for her laning partner, especially if the opposing heroes are well coordinated.

You are just an idiot, please play against me as dark lady and i will show you what i mean.

[Ryno2112]

UGH BRISKKY. You're wrong. God damn dude. It's like talking to a brick wall.

I'm saying you haven't played her enough to really form a good opinion of her which is obvious if you think you can't lane with her. OBVIOUSLY I'm laning just fine. I must be playing with Dev cheats or something huh? otherwise I'd encounter all these problems you are huh? Why am I doing so well with her if she sux? WHY? it's obviously not cuz of the way I play her, and if it was cuz pub then I'd lose jsut as mucha s i win with her, but i win mroe than lose using this style, so it works. Obviously. It. works.

You're sayign she wont do well in comp play and you couldn't be any more wrong. If she has regen and stats she can survive while laning. you can say "well we'll just blast her hurr hurr hurr" go for it, all you'd like. doesn't mean she wont regen and you wont lose mana for it. sh!t, like I said she can blink out of spells like any other blinker.


as for "Dark Lady gangking bot" hurr durr use ult before you go out to attack them el. oh. el. If you still think they'll know where she's gangking. you're ****ing brain dead and thsi disscussion's over. You can predict by knowing the guy's playing style, but you can't just outright predict a random enemy playing Dark lady's decision on who to gangk. If you play right it wont be known until it happens, and by then it's too late for the rest of the team.

F.UCK you can even do a double gangk. 2 for the solo 3 for a double lane. compeltely throw them the **** off. You're also not reading the word support which I've said multiple times. she's a support gangker. support gangker. she supports while gangking. What does this mean Ryno? I obviously have never hear dof this niche otherwise I wouldn't ahve compared her to other full on gangkers. Well OBVIOUSLY it means her skills are all geared to gangking, however, they aren't geared to DPS. so she's able to grab a carry with a single stun or something and give them a kill, or grab some other hero and support them to make them better int he gangk, then take the kill if you're gunna be the carry late game.

on a side note, you keep calling me an idiot when I'm coutnering your same point over and over, providing goode xamples and points and all you're doing is NO I RIGHT CUZ I SAID THIS AND THIS IS MY OPINION. YOU KNOW NOTHING, STOOPID.

gimme somethign other than "my friends and I destroy Dark Lady players, I've never done well on her, and from my theory crafting she's just not that good" and I'll respect your side more.


inb4 obvious "fail, gunna call this fail, you fail, keep on failing" or any other variant you're gunna use that involves the word fail. Internet tool.

[willtsay]

darklady+ babysit = woot. :)

imo darklady is freakin awesome except that id like to see the damage fall off on charging strikes to actually get a little less, although that might be imba X_X -> maybe 20% at level 4? that and like 15-20 seconds on her blades (cd wise), enough so she can activate it twice in a gank :) (provided that she has mana)

to brisk she doesnt exactly need farm inorder to gank, providing 1-2 smacks with dark blades + slow and a charging strike is all you need to seal the deal , esp if you have an partner like jester. -> cask curse ground, tainted soul, activate blades, charge in they are dead for sure -___-. you only get 1 into cask thats all you really need if you wait for a good moment the rest into mojo/cursed. its a babysit and decent killing ability roled into 1 lane O-o

love her ult. Cover = team clumpage = tempest rapesauce + behemoth pwn + jester analscrew + yourself + some other aoe person can solo mid. torturer lulz.

[Kien2]

A little nerf on ult duration and buffs on other skills plz.

[Briskky]

UGH BRISKKY. You're wrong. God damn dude. It's like talking to a brick wall.

I'm saying you haven't played her enough to really form a good opinion of her which is obvious if you think you can't lane with her. OBVIOUSLY I'm laning just fine. I must be playing with Dev cheats or something huh? otherwise I'd encounter all these problems you are huh? Why am I doing so well with her if she sux? WHY? it's obviously not cuz of the way I play her, and if it was cuz pub then I'd lose jsut as mucha s i win with her, but i win mroe than lose using this style, so it works. Obviously. It. works.

You're sayign she wont do well in comp play and you couldn't be any more wrong. If she has regen and stats she can survive while laning. you can say "well we'll just blast her hurr hurr hurr" go for it, all you'd like. doesn't mean she wont regen and you wont lose mana for it. sh!t, like I said she can blink out of spells like any other blinker.


as for "Dark Lady gangking bot" hurr durr use ult before you go out to attack them el. oh. el. If you still think they'll know where she's gangking. you're ****ing brain dead and thsi disscussion's over. You can predict by knowing the guy's playing style, but you can't just outright predict a random enemy playing Dark lady's decision on who to gangk. If you play right it wont be known until it happens, and by then it's too late for the rest of the team.

F.UCK you can even do a double gangk. 2 for the solo 3 for a double lane. compeltely throw them the **** off. You're also not reading the word support which I've said multiple times. she's a support gangker. support gangker. she supports while gangking. What does this mean Ryno? I obviously have never hear dof this niche otherwise I wouldn't ahve compared her to other full on gangkers. Well OBVIOUSLY it means her skills are all geared to gangking, however, they aren't geared to DPS. so she's able to grab a carry with a single stun or something and give them a kill, or grab some other hero and support them to make them better int he gangk, then take the kill if you're gunna be the carry late game.

on a side note, you keep calling me an idiot when I'm coutnering your same point over and over, providing goode xamples and points and all you're doing is NO I RIGHT CUZ I SAID THIS AND THIS IS MY OPINION. YOU KNOW NOTHING, STOOPID.

gimme somethign other than "my friends and I destroy Dark Lady players, I've never done well on her, and from my theory crafting she's just not that good" and I'll respect your side more.


inb4 obvious "fail, gunna call this fail, you fail, keep on failing" or any other variant you're gunna use that involves the word fail. Internet tool.


Sigh, i think you are failing to understand time in and time out. PLAY AGAINST GOOD PLAYERS YOU RETARD. Everything you say is pub stomp. Look up Briskky in game, grab some friends and let me know when you want to play, then pick dark lady and show me what you can do.

You are not countering my points, you are just doing theory craft. You don't even take into consideration vent coordination which every good team will have, and that team will know dark lady is MIA, so the second an ult is popped, they will run and ports will fly.

I never said i never didnt do well on dark lady, i've had numerous positive records but since she needs so much i couldn't carry.

I dont know why you think regen (which at early levels is either a ring of regen or tangos) will let you survive 2 harassing heroes with nukes, and if they run out of mana so what?!! Did you miss the part where i said they can auto attack a crappy low hp melee hero with poor regen? And if you buy more that just delays farming.

AGAIN, look me up, grab some friends, play me with dark lady. I understand if you are a lil girl and don't want to play cause you know you pubstomp all day and she really sucks.

[Briskky]

darklady+ babysit = woot. :)

imo darklady is freakin awesome except that id like to see the damage fall off on charging strikes to actually get a little less, although that might be imba X_X -> maybe 20% at level 4? that and like 15-20 seconds on her blades (cd wise), enough so she can activate it twice in a gank :) (provided that she has mana)

to brisk she doesnt exactly need farm inorder to gank, providing 1-2 smacks with dark blades + slow and a charging strike is all you need to seal the deal , esp if you have an partner like jester. -> cask curse ground, tainted soul, activate blades, charge in they are dead for sure -___-. you only get 1 into cask thats all you really need if you wait for a good moment the rest into mojo/cursed. its a babysit and decent killing ability roled into 1 lane O-o

love her ult. Cover = team clumpage = tempest rapesauce + behemoth pwn + jester analscrew + yourself + some other aoe person can solo mid. torturer lulz.

i can see that working, however what im mainly trying to point out is that she can be replaced with better heroes that have more useful abilities and are better at ganking from early game to late.

[Grizzlyman]

whelp
my opinion is that ryno sucks balls and pupstomps all day and still manages to barely have a positive kdr so anything he says should be ignored completely
briskky brings up every point why this hero is bad you still seem to not understand that she may be good in PUBS(cuz generally pubbies are about as good as me slapping my left nut on the keyboard) but in COMPETATIVE PLAY she's not a good hero what so ever

[Ryno2112]

whelp
my opinion is that ryno sucks balls and pupstomps all day and still manages to barely have a positive kdr so anything he says should be ignored completely
briskky brings up every point why this hero is bad you still seem to not understand that she may be good in PUBS(cuz generally pubbies are about as good as me slapping my left nut on the keyboard) but in COMPETATIVE PLAY she's not a good hero what so ever


my skill level has nothing to do with whether The Dark lady is balanced or not or not.

I really doubt Briskky has seen any competitive play. The competitive play for HoN BETA is a joke. Honestly. The game isn't even finished yet and you're sitting there saying "WELL I PLAY COMPETITIVE PLAY ON THIS GAME SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!" please bro, you grab your friends and just pub stomp all day and keep a positive ratio cuz of it. That doesn't mean you're good, it just means you have friends who play too.

I keep my video game life and my real life seperate, many of my friends don't really play anything, let alone DotA or HoN. So when I was playing Competitively in DotA, I played with a team I didn't know irl, and as I know no one IRL who plays DotA surprise I know no one who plays HoN either. I got a couple of friends to check it out since I have beta keys and it's free, but of course they suck.


If you'd like to see my Dark lady in action, why don't we get a game going together I'll play Dark Lady and you can grab someone who synergizes with her so you can se that played correctly she's a good pick, especially in competitive play.

yes I did neglect vent, but that's also cuz the majority of players don't use mics atm, but of course in a competitive game there would be mics. Regardless, it helps a lot more than you're giving it credit, even with mics and yelling across vent that you're getting gangked.


You have the distinct misunderstanding that because I don't agree with you that I'm not understanding you. i understand you perfectly, that doesn't mean I sit here and go "oh, guess all my experience with her and my experience in competitive play (Because I know you're gunna ask what league I played in, I've played in CAL-O) is wrong cuz when he plays he always beats her."


You aren't helping beta testing by declaring this well balanced hero unbalanced. I don't want to see her buffed, because she's sitting on an edge. She isn't over pwoered but she isn't underpowered either. yes, you can get veno, antimage, and krobe and get her skills better, OR you can get her and replace those heroes with other heroes.


What it allc oems down to is play styles. She isn't your play style so she feels weak for you, that doesn't mean you gotta log onto the forums and bash her cuz she doesn't agree with you. That just means you don't play her. The fact is she isn't weak. You can scream that it's all pub ally ou want, but at the end of the day this entire Beta is just pub.

[Briskky]

my skill level has nothing to do with whether The Dark lady is balanced or not or not.

I really doubt Briskky has seen any competitive play. The competitive play for HoN BETA is a joke. Honestly. The game isn't even finished yet and you're sitting there saying "WELL I PLAY COMPETITIVE PLAY ON THIS GAME SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!" please bro, you grab your friends and just pub stomp all day and keep a positive ratio cuz of it. That doesn't mean you're good, it just means you have friends who play too.

I keep my video game life and my real life seperate, many of my friends don't really play anything, let alone DotA or HoN. So when I was playing Competitively in DotA, I played with a team I didn't know irl, and as I know no one IRL who plays DotA surprise I know no one who plays HoN either. I got a couple of friends to check it out since I have beta keys and it's free, but of course they suck.


If you'd like to see my Dark lady in action, why don't we get a game going together I'll play Dark Lady and you can grab someone who synergizes with her so you can se that played correctly she's a good pick, especially in competitive play.

yes I did neglect vent, but that's also cuz the majority of players don't use mics atm, but of course in a competitive game there would be mics. Regardless, it helps a lot more than you're giving it credit, even with mics and yelling across vent that you're getting gangked.


You have the distinct misunderstanding that because I don't agree with you that I'm not understanding you. i understand you perfectly, that doesn't mean I sit here and go "oh, guess all my experience with her and my experience in competitive play (Because I know you're gunna ask what league I played in, I've played in CAL-O) is wrong cuz when he plays he always beats her."


You aren't helping beta testing by declaring this well balanced hero unbalanced. I don't want to see her buffed, because she's sitting on an edge. She isn't over pwoered but she isn't underpowered either. yes, you can get veno, antimage, and krobe and get her skills better, OR you can get her and replace those heroes with other heroes.


What it allc oems down to is play styles. She isn't your play style so she feels weak for you, that doesn't mean you gotta log onto the forums and bash her cuz she doesn't agree with you. That just means you don't play her. The fact is she isn't weak. You can scream that it's all pub ally ou want, but at the end of the day this entire Beta is just pub.

I have over 10 friends that play dota, all of which are solid players. Ever hear of 5v5 in-house? That would be competitive play for HoN at the moment, since there isnt much more than pubstomps.

I'd rather play against your infamous dark lady than lane with you, because if we'd pair against noobs it makes no difference, im talking about playing against skilled players on a higher level than pubs, lol.

And im helping beta by saying she sucks; everyone i know agrees and thinks she has some nice lil perks but still fails overall due to other heroes being better at their role.

As for the part where you said players don't use their mics ---those are what we call idiots or nubs.

Just post a replay man, i want to see! Then i might agree with you if i see otherwise.

[Chavo]

Most of the discussion in this thread has actually been a useful debate. Let's try to keep it civil so I don't have to clean up those long posts? :)

[knowitall]

Dark Lady has worse laning than PA and can't jungle like Troll. Without a dedicated babysitter (the only solid one in the game atm is Jereziah, who is melee as well), she will never get farmed in a real game.

[SolidStroke]

Don't attack each other personally, we're not children.

[Puck]

Most of the discussion in this thread has actually been a useful debate. Let's try to keep it civil so I don't have to clean up those long posts? :)

The level of disagreement about whether dark lady is good or bad is a sign she is exactly where she needs to be. (Competitive play will likely prove me wrong as usual.)

Personally I think her blink mechanics slide her into a mortred-type role (off the charts lategame dps with cleave and orb effects). Her skills give her a little more potential throughout the game than mortred ever had, but she really just needs to farm.

[Grizzlyman]

the fact is dark lady needs work to compete with the other heroes in HoN

-stats could use a boost, more base mana would mean she could actually use her spells more than once a fight and more hp would help her in the lane considerably

-compared to other heroes her spells aren't good.

A 2.5 second silence that if you manage to hit one guy twice could be 5 seconds(with a 25sec cd)(o and 105 mana at lvl 4? too much for a agi imo)(yes i consider it can be aoe with her charge but then it's just 2.5 seconds flat), compared to krobs 6 sec (with an 11 sec cd)(aoe every time not just with another ability)

a slow/nuke that they recover their speed over the next 5 seconds at lvl 4? ew, make the slow a flat 2,3,4,5 seconds or even 1,2,3,4 and it's better by farrrr, and a 150 mana cost at lvl 4 again that's too much for a agi hero with 4 castable spells.

her charge is ok, the damage could use a buff if you ask me, if you stack damage on her you still mayyy get a 200 damage nuke late game but only if you hit them first. give it a base damage to start with maybe 100 base plus your damage? i dunno but as is it's a high mana cost blink early( and one that can't go over impassible terrain) and just a blink late game

-her ult is good except the super high mana cost at lvl 3 for an agi

all in all she definatly needs work to be up to par with the other heroes in this game

p.s. ryno prove she's good play against us. until you do you aren't good and neither is the dark lady

[Briskky]

Dark Lady has worse laning than PA and can't jungle like Troll. Without a dedicated babysitter (the only solid one in the game atm is Jereziah, who is melee as well), she will never get farmed in a real game.


This is Win.

That may be in part why she is so terrible now too, only a handfull of good support heroes that really make her shine early, and even then a hero like madman is superior to dark lady.


Madman also scales better endgame for a better carry option.

[Briskky]

The level of disagreement about whether dark lady is good or bad is a sign she is exactly where she needs to be. (Competitive play will likely prove me wrong as usual.)

Personally I think her blink mechanics slide her into a mortred-type role (off the charts lategame dps with cleave and orb effects). Her skills give her a little more potential throughout the game than mortred ever had, but she really just needs to farm.


This is where i find the crappiness of dark lady to show.

She cannot stay in a lane and farm unless pubs let her, and she will not creep well on a lane...unless pubs let her.

If you soley go dps, you lack hp...if you go hp, you lack dps.

I've tried numerous items on DL and found none of them make her superior to other carries or gankers.

Few items i tried and justification behind them :

Eye of Skadi - This one i thought would make her shine. While giving her the bonus she needs to hp, she also gets more base damage, mana, and the ability to hit more often with dark blades due to the slow attack from skadi.

Problem : Eye takes very long to farm in comparison to other items, and until you get it, you are kinda gimped. PLUS no in-house game has ever allowed me to farm an early skadi, due to the experience of the players. They knew it was easy to shut her down early, and they did so. Also, after skadi, i found a lack of attack speed a huge problem.

Hyperstone + str treads early - Wanted to try early attack speed to see how well it would work with the dark blades, i figured...hey i'll get off at least 4 attacks with + base dmg, this should be good.

Problem: No hp early, again got crushed against friends on the lane. By the time i got it, i was either getting focused so it didn't matter cause i'd die, or the enemy heroes had enough hp to survive a few good auto attacks. Along with no hp, i had no mana. I couldn't chain all the abilities anyway, so i was gimpsauce.

Treads + wraith bands and a bottle - Figured this may help her early game low hp and mana issues, along with providing mana with the bottle.

Problem: Still against players that knew what they were doing, i couldn't even farm stupid wraith bands quick or treads quick. This was a little better though, because i was more on par with the other heroes. However, hp was still lacking and mana problems didn't go away that easy. When chasing the bottle got knocked off often, but was still somewhat effective. However, would often die in teamfights early b/c of focus fire (even with ult they still could see me at early levels)

I haven't tried bfury yet, i dont' really want to because i hate playing her after i've tried so many times. But that may be next on the list...May also try early heart.

It's just experienced players don't let you farm as dark lady, because she cannot put any pressure on opposing heroes to make them play back. Thus, you are gimped gold wise.

[BLUEPOWERVAN]

It's pointless to get hyperstone on agil heroes, particularly dark lady if you are gearing for dark blades. 4 wraith bands is 500$ cheaper, and while its only half as much +atk speed, the +56 damage is a big deal.

[Grizzlyman]

I've read nullfire blade (diffusal) is alright but that won't solve the hp problem
same with RB (bfury) she just needs too much of both dps and hp to be good

[Briskky]

It's pointless to get hyperstone on agil heroes, particularly dark lady if you are gearing for dark blades. 4 wraith bands is 500$ cheaper, and while its only half as much +atk speed, the +56 damage is a big deal.


True enough, i was just trying everything i possibly could. The str treads wraith bands bottle worked the best so far, but still a garbage hero imo.

[Lethe]

She is a tricky hero, something that I have found to work decently though:
Str treads+2 talismans.
Runed axe
Glow Stone
Shrunken head
Upgrade glow stone to frostwolf skull

Runed axe sends darklady's farming through the roof. It is absurd. Anyone who has watched a darklady kill 3 full creep waves in less then 3 seconds can attest to this. Charging strikes and +3.1 agi gain is the reasoning behind it.

[Grizzlyman]

She is a tricky hero, something that I have found to work decently though:
Str treads+2 talismans.
Runed axe
Glow Stone
Shrunken head
Upgrade glow stone to frostwolf skull

Runed axe sends darklady's farming through the roof. It is absurd. Anyone who has watched a darklady kill 3 full creep waves in less then 3 seconds can attest to this. Charging strikes and +3.1 agi gain is the reasoning behind it.

the problem is she can't hold her own on a lane against any competent player so farming that list or even the bfury isn't going to happen in time for her to become usefull

[nicosharp]

Her Ulti + Electricians Shock grip, is always a kill on a lane push, nearly impossible to help the teammate gripped. I personally think she is strong and has a clean attack animation to last hit easily - Yes she has a problem staying in a lane with two ranged burst heroes - but if she can get solo and is pro, she is good late game.

The last game I played the guy on Dark lady went BattleFury (its equivilent) and totally cashed in around the map. Their Dark Lady was the carry. The players were all very good - I don't know if I would say pro league good, but very good on both teams, and Dark lady still was able to carry.

[Lethe]

the problem is she can't hold her own on a lane against any competent player so farming that list or even the bfury isn't going to happen in time for her to become usefull

That's only true to a certain extent. Try babysitter her with voodoo jester, demented shaman, glacius, etc. It works wonders.

[nicosharp]

That's only true to a certain extent. Try babysitter her with voodoo jester, demented shaman, glacius, etc. It works wonders.

Ahh, then I pay attention and realize you were the one playing Dark Lady that last game I mentioned above. That was a good game, and you were a pain to solo lane against. I was probably the worst on my team, if that says anything (besides our Moon Lady Disc)

[Briskky]

That's only true to a certain extent. Try babysitter her with voodoo jester, demented shaman, glacius, etc. It works wonders.


babysitter works well, but try pairing a babysitter with madman for better results.

plus, if the babysitter is spending all the time healing the dark lady...then you aren't preventing the opposing heroes from farming themselves up good items, and you sure as heck arent killing them if the pressure is on you.

Anyone with electrician is good. Let's pair those heroes you listed with swiftblade, madman, or heck even devourer, and the result i think is far better than the dark lady.

I honestly think if she gets some boosted stats, and maybe some decrease mana cost of spells, she may be fine...along with maybe some minor changes to some of her spells (reduce cd or flat slow on her taint soul)

[Lethe]

Ahh, then I pay attention and realize you were the one playing Dark Lady that last game I mentioned above. That was a good game, and you were a pain to solo lane against. I was probably the worst on my team, if that says anything (besides our Moon Lady Disc)

haha ty it was a fun game ^_^

[Grizzlyman]

babysitter works well, but try pairing a babysitter with madman for better results.

plus, if the babysitter is spending all the time healing the dark lady...then you aren't preventing the opposing heroes from farming themselves up good items, and you sure as heck arent killing them if the pressure is on you.

Anyone with electrician is good. Let's pair those heroes you listed with swiftblade, madman, or heck even devourer, and the result i think is far better than the dark lady.

I honestly think if she gets some boosted stats, and maybe some decrease mana cost of spells, she may be fine...along with maybe some minor changes to some of her spells (reduce cd or flat slow on her taint soul)

/agree
sure she'll lane well with them but i'd take any other agi carry or str carry to lane with those baby sitters for better results

[Grizzlyman]

lol at the patch update to dark lady
reduced cd on ult and nerfed time it lasts
guess she won't be good for a bit longer

[Lethe]

lol at the patch update to dark lady
reduced cd on ult and nerfed time it lasts
guess she won't be good for a bit longer

They nerfed her ult...

But they didn't buff all her other skills.

This is a sad day. On a serious note though, the game has been updated to match dota 6.61 and the changes are very well done. I guess I'll have to find another fav hero T_T. Even with such a good ult 150 sec cd and reduced duration is too much.

[willtsay]

true this
imo start off with 150 and scale it down back down to 120 by level 3
that and buffs to the mana cost of taint charging strikes and cd of darkblades :O

[Ryno2112]

dunno what the new nerfs will do to her, been more obsessed over having my PotM back heh.

However, how do I create a replay? replays seem to be disabled. If there's another way just lemme know and I'll post a replay of me using her.

[SoleSurvivor]

Ultimate of Dark Lady are overpowered, a lot of time withow fog lol

[Darkshy]

I think a slight damage buff would do her good. I also agree that her spells do seem to cost a little too much.

[Lethe]

Tbh even though cover of darkness is extremely powerful i think S2 balanced it near-perfect. It needed a nerf, problem was I was expecting buffs for her other skills :p

[Kry1]

I'm disappointed to see no buffs to Dark Lady after the small but significant nerfs to her ult. The hero is definitely on the lower tiers, both in effectiveness and difficulty to play successfully.

[Darkshy]

I was wondering. What would the community think if Dark Lady's silence blades hits a target the silence stays as long as long as the target get hit?
So for instance I could activate my blades and use my rush spell silence a row of targets but if I focus a target with level 4 blades they are silence for 5.5 seconds? (blades last 3 seconds and silence is 2.5)

[Ungalyant]

I Would say the main thing they need to buff about dark lady is the 35% reduction on every hit from charging strikes, late game I can understand it's powerful but until that point it seems a bit ridicilous, after you've gotten through 2 creeps or whatever the damage is so negligible, why not make it 20% or something? Nothing drastic, just enough to give it some actual sustainability in big groups.

[Briskky]

I Would say the main thing they need to buff about dark lady is the 35% reduction on every hit from charging strikes, late game I can understand it's powerful but until that point it seems a bit ridicilous, after you've gotten through 2 creeps or whatever the damage is so negligible, why not make it 20% or something? Nothing drastic, just enough to give it some actual sustainability in big groups.


Actually i tested around level 13 with 2 wraith bands 2 ult orbs and treads. I didn't go dps build this time around, i was just trying new stuff, and this game it was skadi, ANYWAYS...

I did the charge to the group of 3 creeps, i used dark blades then charge...did 150 dmg to the main target and about 50ish to the others if that.

i qq'd.

i played her again yesterday and even with a bottle and wraith bands the mana cost for her spells was still killer. That is what i think mainly needs to be changed, or higher her base stats.

[CastorFiber]

I think she is good as she is