Copy Cat

[Kalk5]

Copy Cat, the Mirror Caster







http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/serthbysanbergdx6sm3gu.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)




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Str: 19+1,5
Agi: 15+1,4
INT: 23+2,8

Movement Speed: 300
Attack Range: Melee
Damage: 57-63
Armor: 3,5
Attacks/Sec: 0,67



Sounds:

Move:
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
Mirrors show the truth.


Skill1:

Buff:
Anything you can do I can do better.

Debuff:
You can easily fall into your own trap.


Skill2:

Heal:
Broken crockery brings you luck.

Dmg:
A broken mirror brings you 7 years unluck.


Skill3:

Buff:
What goes around, comes around.

Debuff:
Tit for tat.


Skill4:
One man's meat is another man's poison.

Kills:
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.




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Skills:



http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/mirrorcastjp9qm5l7.gif (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

Mirror Cast

Use a random active skilled Spell (except ultimates) of the target enemy on him or his location as target area. Values of the Spell is equal to Spelllevel of "Mirror Cast".
If the used Spell has a friendly Unit as target the Spell will be used at you.
If you cast "Mirror Cast" you will get a charge on "Blasting Mirror".


Lvl1: Mana: 140 CD:25
Lvl2: Mana: 120 CD:20
Lvl3: Mana: 100 CD:15
Lvl4: Mana: 80 CD:10


Skill Example:
Defiler wants to silence our team in a teamfight. So we use "Mirror Cast" on her and we can silence her and her team maybe.
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http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/blastingmirrorhealrcn81zh6.gif (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/deathpulse9np21xl5.gif (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

Blasting Mirror


For every charge there will be a mirror around the hero. He also get a charge on "Blasting Mirror" when he use an active item (excepting: all boots, assasin's shroud, mana battery, power supply, portal key, consumables, elder parasite, insanitarius and auto orb effects like nullfire blade).
2 Spells ( Heal / Dmg)
AOE-Spell Rage: 400

The enemy/ friend get per charge half of your intellegence as damage/ heal.
When you cast "Blasting Mirror" you lose all charges.


Lvl1: max. 6 charges.
Lvl2: max. 8 charges.
Lvl3: max. 10 charges.
Lvl4: max. 12 charges.

Mana: Level of "Blasting Mirror" * number of charges * 10 Mana CD: 30


Skill Example:

Mana: Level of "Blasting Mirror" * number of charges * 10 Mana
Damage : number of charges * half of Intelligence

Level of "Blasting Mirror" = 3
we have 6 charges
Intelligence = 40

Mana = 6 * 3 * 10 Mana = 180 Mana

Damage = 6 * 20 = 120 Damage
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Mirror Power

When Copy Cat is the target of a active spell (no ultimate) he get this spell as an active. If he cast this spell he will loose a charge on "Blasting Mirror". Values of the Spell is equal to Spelllevel of "Mirror Power".
Passiv effect: As long as there is no active spell at "Mirror Power" you will get a 2 %mana reg bonus per charge on "Blasting Mirror".


Lvl1: He will loose the spell after 30 secs or if he has 0 charges left. While no active +2% mana reg per charge on "Blasting Mirror".
Lvl2: He will loose the spell after 60 secs or if he has 0 charges left. While no active +2% mana reg per charge on "Blasting Mirror".
Lvl3: He will loose the spell after 90 secs or if he has 0 charges left. While no active +2% mana reg per charge on "Blasting Mirror".
Lvl4: He will loose the spell after 120 secs or if he has 0 charges left. While no active +2% mana reg per charge on "Blasting Mirror".

Skill Example:

You are the target of Witch Slayer's stun. So you get this stun as Spell for 30/60/90/120 secs and can use it.

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http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/ultidpmfbkt8.gif (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

Copy Cat

If you cast "Copy Cat" you get a charge for "Blasting Mirror".
For the next 40 secs you copy the active Ulti of your target and you can use it. Values of the Spell is equal to Spelllevel of "Copy Cat".
Mana: 120 CD: 100

Lvl1: manacost to cast copied Ulti 130% (manacost to cast copied Ulti 115% boosted by Staff of the Master)
Lvl2: manacost to cast copied Ulti 115% (manacost to cast copied Ulti 100% boosted by Staff of the Master)
Lvl3: manacost to cast copied Ulti 100% (manacost to cast copied Ulti 85% boosted by Staff of the Master)



Skill Example:

Hellbringer is in the game as friend. So we can copy his ulti and use it in the next teamfight and we have 2 powerful sumons on our side.

lvl of Copy Cat (Ulti) = 1 (mana 130)
lvl of Ulti for Helbringer = 1 (mana: 200)

manacosts = mana to copy + mana to use
manacosts = 130 mana + 130% of 200 mana
manacosts = 130 + 260 = 390 Mana

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Role:
He is a nuker, but he is very flexible against and with all other heroes. He can also be played as supporter.



Strenghts and Weaknesses:



+:
very flexible
can use most spells ingame
can fight fire with fire

-:
weak against passive skills
need much mana
not much hp



Hero Synergy:

Heroes with powerful ultimates:
http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/hellbringersaqmwpz8.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/tempestp9zoq61n.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)



Babysitter for carrys:
http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/zephyrmj52gxci.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/sandl5eqbm49.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

[Shorbsen]

I like the hero concept, it would bring a really new playstyle, cause every teamfight can be countered with the same ulits (like behemoth, kraken, tempest).
The manacosts of skill 2 are pretty high, but i think they're ok, for in lategame it heals very much (80 int x 6 charges = 480 hp heal/dmg every 30 sec).

[Kalk5]

ty for feedback.
I want more feedback:D:D

[Isin]

Lol use the first skill on Jeraziah and get the ultimate xD

[Kalk5]

oh no :D no ultimates^^
i'll edit it^^

[iggbert]

good idea: vote: yes : i like

[Kalk5]

ty for feedback.
I want more feedback:D:D

[Kalk5]

ty for voting, but pls comment your votes :D i also answer questions.

[Severon]

I can see this hero being fun to play, but I also think his blasting mirror's heal/dmg will scale way to much late game.


At level 25 he will have 93 int with no items or attribute bonus.
So assuming he has 6 charges.
6*93=558 heal/dmg

If he has steam boots and hellflower with no attribute bonus(I guess he is dumb) he will have 123 int
6 charges again
6*123=738 heal/dmg
I think you get my point
Also both those example's don't add in double it(adds some more damage)
Then you get his ultimate which can be used to steal any ultimate in the current game.
so basically he could take jeriziah's ultimate and make his team physically immune while dealing massive amounts of damage or healing for massive amounts, or he could grab tempest ultimate and stop a team, krakens, ect....

Though I like the concept of the ultimate, with his current skills it just seems way to much.

O did i mention I like the idea of your first skill as well:)

[Kalk5]

ty for comment :D

1.
- the dmg of blasting mirror is magic damage so it will be reduced
- it has very high mana costs for Lvl4 with 6 charges it costs 4*6*15 = 360 Mana
- first you have to get 6 charges and that needs 480 Mana and 60 secs too

-and in how much games you reached Lvl 25 ? :D I played 124 games and all ended before Lvl 25^^


2.
At first i wanted to have to ulti like this:




http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/ultidpmfbkt8.gif (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/)

Copy Cat

If you cast "Copy Cat" you get a charge for "Blasting Mirror".
For the next 40 secs you copy the active Ulti of your target and you can use it.
Mana: 120 CD: 100

Lvl1: power of copied Ulti 70%
Lvl2: power of copied Ulti 80%
Lvl3: power of copied Ulti 90%
(Lvl4: power of copied Ulti 100%) boosted by Staff of the Master

But what is 70% of tempest ulti? just disable 70% of target heroes?


The cost of the ultimate are now very high on level 4 with SotM it costs 120 Mana + 85% of 400 Mana = 460 Mana

Maybe i reduce his int ...

But I am open for suggestions^^

[Severon]

Yeah, i've played only a handful of games that i've reached level 25, but even in games were i don't reach 25 on int heroes i still have over 100 int that was more my point, i just didn't want to go into a detailed build and all that so level 25 was a nice medium.
using the numbers on the mana you supplied. 480+360=840 mana required to cast this combo once.
Using my second option at 123 int. with out items and a base mana of 0 you would have 1845 mana(15*123(intel of hero))
1845(mana pool)/849(combo total)=2.19 so you could theoretically cast this combo 2 twice before running out of mana, but also as pointed out it has a long cooldown in between. I'm still of the opinion that 738 is high.Though I'm not exactly sure why i'm debating numbers when i like the theory:P

[Kalk5]

hm no pls debating this shows me someone is interested in my hero idea :D

well i think half of Intelligence is enough in late , but so its use less in the early^^

maybe Lvl1: Intelligence * charges
Lvl2/3/4 half of Intelligence * charges

[Severon]

I could even go for half of int level 3 and 4 and keep 1 and 2 same, I just have a huge problem with a none ulti having potential aoe damage of close to 1k:P(need like 150-175 in but stilllXD)

[Apostate]

Great idea! I love it.

My only miff is that Double It seems wasted, when Blasted Mirror is already an extremely effective spell. Wouldn't it be better to think of another cool spell or passive for skill 3?

[Kalk5]

ty for comment :D


at my first idea double it was more powerfull
it double skill1 and copied ultimate too for high additionally manacosts but this was much to powerfull :D
skill2 is in my eyes his main skill and to cast spells twice , copy them was my hero concept


I know that blasting mirror is very strong but at first u need to get 6 charges on blasting mirror and you get this by casting mirror cast
so to cast blasting mirror with 6 charges and double it you need 6* 80 mana + 4*6*15 + 4*4*15 = 480 + 360 + 240 = 1080 Mana


1 new idea would be :

4/6/8/10 charges

Damage = charges * 60% of int

Mana = Lvl of Blasting mirror * charges * 10 Mana


to get charges takes a lot of mana and time maybe i can increase to CD and Manacosts of skill1 too

[Severon]

I can deal with 60% i think, lol though i didn't take the time to do the math^.^

[A`nub`is]

numbers seem to be a bit overpowered on skill2+3 (while actually s3 seems a bit pointless/forced synergy).

nice ideas though :)

[Kalk5]

thanks for feed back my friend and me are currently reworking skill3

[Kalk5]

pls comment your vote especially if you vote no

[Kalk5]

bump

currently my friend and I are working on a new 3rd Skill
and i am happy for suggestions :D

[KoolKorino]

She seems like she'd be a really fun hero to play, I agree though try to find a third skill passive that synergys with her well. Good work!

[Kalk5]

bump more comments pls

[Kalk5]

bump new 3rd skill comments pls :D

[Kalk5]

bump

[volcan33]

the idea for copying another's skill is cool, i would like to see a hero if that...


it is good to have two corpycat skills, u can form a lot of new skills sinergies.


it will be a bit hard to make his first skill work for aoe spells, how ur enemy will taregt his allies?

anyway ,gj, nice hero

[Kalk5]

not the enemy cast the skills, his skills got used to be cast. Copy Cat cast the spell. For aoe spells the position of the enemy is the center of the target area.

ty for comment

[Kalk5]

bump

[borion12]

dude i had this exact idea of a hero in my head ...... like exactly the same, i just couldnt think of a name .... damn u u beat me to it :P

[Kalk5]

funny thing :D:D:D:D
ty for comment :D

[Kalk5]

bump

[sQuibba]

should he be melee if it looks like he will sit back and blast other peoples spells?

he looks more of a caster tbh

[antibody]

hey like the idea. i often thought of how i would do a skill stealing hero.

although probably what i woulda done diferent is instead of blasting mirrior which i find a bit complex and hard to understand. i would have just made a skill that steal or copies passive auras or skillz and allow to stack.

example glacius on your team u copy his passive and stack yours ontop for incrediable mana regen. or more crazy if you copied devorers passive and got magic armor + some extra strengh.

and question of ultimate. does the cd start once u copied the spell or when you use spell that was copied.

it matters if you have a tree on your team or tempest you take there ultimate wait for cd. next team fight you use the ultimate then copy again. i think it should work like a 75 cd after ultimate was used.

[Kalk5]

ty for comments


should he be melee if it looks like he will sit back and blast other peoples spells?

he looks more of a caster tbh

yes he is a caster , but i think a caster havent to be ranged. he use a staff that can also be used in meele fights.





question of ultimate. does the cd start once u copied the spell or when you use spell that was copied.

it matters if you have a tree on your team or tempest you take there ultimate wait for cd. next team fight you use the ultimate then copy again. i think it should work like a 75 cd after ultimate was used.


cd starts after using the copied ulti otherwise it would be much to powerfull it would be like a refresher orb^^( if he has the manapool to do this^^)

[Kalk5]

bump

[Dario93]

I like this Idea really, often had some thoughts that would end up in this hero too ;D
but some questions: 1. can you "steal" the ulti of enemys too? i hope so ;D.
whats up with passive ultis? can you gain a percentage of their effect? or is the spell just not castable at chars which have?

[Dario93]

and a third question? the image, you paint it by yourself? or is it from i-net? its nice but i dont like the background ... like you see in my hero suggestion it is easy to design it a bit.... completlier :D (sry i am not native speaker in english ;D)

[Kalk5]

yes, u can copy the ultis of friends and foes, but u cannot copy a passiv ulti.
i found this picture in the internet, i am not so good with photoshop or such programms^^

ps: i am not a native speaker too :O but i try my best :P

[Dario93]

kk ;D where you from? maybe you can fill in an effect for passive ultis ... if you want just a suggestion ;D

i work with gimp (freeware and very simple) and this is not so hard .... you see my first graphic? this is really simple to do :D

[Kalk5]

i am german
i will look after the passiv ultis

i like ur graphic but i cannot do this, maybe i am untalented :D:D

[Dario93]

no just no time spent for this ;D ehm ich bin ?brigens auch deutscher freut mich ;D xD

[Kalk5]

a friend work with photoshop all day maybe i ask him to rework this picture..

ps: ab wann kommt man zu den populeren suggestions?

[Dario93]

ps: les mal deine pm ;D

[lunchstolen]

I think the ulti is way too op because of it's mana cost. Should be or something like..

150 mana <-- fixed number + % of the mana cost of the original skill.

[Kalk5]

so u think the mana costs are to less? or u want an other calculation?

[Kalk5]

wuhu again vote without comment very usefull


edit: ... and again

[CutChemist]

I like this a lot! Heroes that use the enemies' abilities against them are quite fun! Although, I still don't quite get how skill 2 works. If you explain that a bit more clearly, it would help a lot, for me at least, when it comes to bettering my understanding of your hero concept.

[Kalk5]

I think the ulti is way too op because of it's mana cost. Should be or something like..

150 mana <-- fixed number + % of the mana cost of the original skill.


the mana costs are very high :
lvl of Copy Cat (Ulti) = 1 (mana 130)
lvl of Ulti for Helbringer = 1 (mana: 200)

Manacosts = mana to copy + mana to use
manacosts = 130 mana + 130% of 200 mana
manacosts = 130 + 260 = 390 Mana

[Kalk5]

bump

[Kalk5]

bump

[ButtDoofus]

Blasting mirror is cool but a spell that copies other spells never works. They tried this with Morphling in DOTA years back and it sucked. Centering an entire hero around an overpowered and unoriginal concept is bad. I say drop the first third and last skill and make him about Blasting Mirror.

[jackisback1]

I like the hero. and for the ult why more mana? I suggest make the level of the ult match the level of copy cats ult skill.

[Kalk5]

I like the hero. and for the ult why more mana? I suggest make the level of the ult match the level of copy cats ult skill.

1. cause the ulti opens a new option in teamfights and is very strong to have some ultis twice


2. it was already: level of copied ulti is level of "copy cat (ulti)"

[Kalk5]

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[NaaP]

I like the concept. but i think it would look better if he actually was a cat with a mirror >_>


t-up

[Kalk5]

bump

[Kalk5]

bump pls give feedback

[OhBob]

Yea, it's a fine hero. I'm T-Uping, first skill rocks.

[Kalk5]

bump

[Maavoodoo]

really like it =D

[bloodbathz]

for the ult, you could have it so that a transparent model of the copied ultis char (so like a transparent blood hunter if you choose to copy his) appear in front of this guy or on him directly and cast the ulti. also, for the first skill, i think it would work better as this:

25% to reflect any spell cast on you (like null stone) for 25%/50%/75%/100% damage cd 30/25/20/15 if it procs the passive and have an active side to it as well that reflects any spell that effects you for the next 1.5/2/2.5/3 seconds and have it only reflect one. (again would be awesome if there was a transparent model of the hero to cast something on you that just reflects it back, or simply a mirror will appear and reflects the spell) so basically just the bottom. also you have to be the TARGET of the spell, so hammerstorm can stun u 100% of the time if he just targets a nearby target but theres a chance to reflect if you are the only one. also the increased cooldown on the active portion makes it so that if you mess up and time it wrong, you WILL pay for it

Mirror cast
=-=-=-=-=-=-=
type: superior magic
range: 9999999
mana cost: 50 (activate)
cooldown: 30/25/20/15

passive: 25% chance to reflect a spell that you are the target of (no ultis)
active: 100% chance to reflect the next spell that you are the target of for 1.5/2/2.5/3 seconds(ultis accceptable). if no spell is blocked, cooldown increases by 10 seconds


also second skill will get very useless very quickly, either add % to heal or damage or something where it doesnt go kaputz so quickly

well that would be better in my opinion

[Nazgul723]

EPIC WIN!

This hero would be insane in the proper hands, hope to see it in-game someday in the near future xD

[fatrend1]

The Cooldown on his ulti should be relative to the spell used rather than a set amount. Would be super OP if you could make use of extremely long cd ultis more frequently. On the flipside it's cooldown is long if you use a short cooldown ulti.

[Kalk5]

@bloodbathz

i thought about an ability like this but i dont use it cause there are also aoe spells with target area and spells which dont deal dmg.



@fatrend
u got the ulti for 40 secs and after these 40 secs the cd starts, so the real cd is 140 secs. the cd of the copied ulti starts after cast the copied ulti.

example: elcetricians ulti has a cd 14/12/10 secs.

u copy his ulti, use it -> u still have his ulti but its own cd starts. after 14/12/10 secs u can cast it again and u have his ulti still for 26/28/10 secs




ty for feedback guys

[Lexxxy]

okay... all i can say

[Kalk5]

bump
ty for feedback

[Kalk5]

bump

[Kalk5]

bump
ty for votes guys but please left a feedback

[Kalk5]

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[Kalk5]

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[Kalk5]

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[FSUHookahMan]

If I understand the first skill correctly, he can cast while silenced?

[Kalk5]

If I understand the first skill correctly, he can cast while silenced?

no :D if defiler "wants" to..... the spell was just an example. he can just use her spells against herself. and if she cast faster then copy cat, he will get silenced

[OhBob]

Mana: Level of "Blasting Mirror" * number of charges * 10 Mana CD: 30

4k Manacost??

3 copying skills is too much, figure out a way to leave only one or two.

[Kalk5]

Mana: Level of "Blasting Mirror" * number of charges * 10 Mana CD: 30

4k Manacost??

max Lvl = 4 max charges = 12


Level of "Blasting Mirror" * number of charges * 10 Mana

4*12*10 = 480 Mana




3 copying skills is too much, figure out a way to leave only one or two.

Yeah the third skill isnt his original skill, at first it was a passiv to cast the second skill twice but this was to powerfull.
i dont love his current third skill, so i am open for suggestions for his thrid skill.

[Delfic]

Maybe it's too much of a change but what about the main skills be about stealing buffs and stuff and the ultimate actually becoming the enemy hero for some time, then ur the perfect copycat and you can confuse the other team :P

But talking about what we got here, lot of people say it's very fun to play with and stuff, but if we get this thing wrong then it will be very bad for the players who play against it. We see in every game that chronos is in, that the other team often complains about it, imagine with this guy who can use all the ultis in both teams, very annoying for oposition and kinda kills the fun to play...

At least it's my opinion.

Nice idea for the voice of the char.

That aside, an idea for 3rd skill, i was thinking about a passive. What about a passive that acts like the passive of the closest hero in some radius. You could also toggle it beetween allys or foes.
Other option would be an active skill that copies target hero passive and with infinite duration but it breaks if the targetted hero gets too far. In this option, only enemy targets would be allowed because you can get a buddy to walk with you all the time and then you keep using his passive all the time.

A problem about this would be: how would it work against passive ultis, heroes with no passive skills or heroes with more than 1 passive skill. I suggest that the list of possible passives excludes ultimates, then the problem with many passives could be solved by random choice of equal odds.


Another idea for this type of heroe, would be like skill x is active target enemy hero, and copy skill x of the enemy. The skill wears off on cancel or when the target gets too far.

Note: Dying is getting too far :p

Well I think it's plenty of ideas to brainstorm for now xD

[Kalk5]

Maybe it's too much of a change but what about the main skills be about stealing buffs and stuff and the ultimate actually becoming the enemy hero for some time, then ur the perfect copycat and you can confuse the other team :P

I don't think that they become confuse.. there is still the red circle arround the foe.


But talking about what we got here, lot of people say it's very fun to play with and stuff, but if we get this thing wrong then it will be very bad for the players who play against it. We see in every game that chronos is in, that the other team often complains about it, imagine with this guy who can use all the ultis in both teams, very annoying for oposition and kinda kills the fun to play...

At least it's my opinion.

Well he can be strong, he is all except a carry like chronos.
So i don't think that he destroy games in the same way like chronos.
Rather i think he will decide the game as supporter.




That aside, an idea for 3rd skill, i was thinking about a passive. What about a passive that acts like the passive of the closest hero in some radius. You could also toggle it beetween allys or foes.
Other option would be an active skill that copies target hero passive and with infinite duration but it breaks if the targetted hero gets too far. In this option, only enemy targets would be allowed because you can get a buddy to walk with you all the time and then you keep using his passive all the time.

A problem about this would be: how would it work against passive ultis, heroes with no passive skills or heroes with more than 1 passive skill. I suggest that the list of possible passives excludes ultimates, then the problem with many passives could be solved by random choice of equal odds.


Note: Dying is getting too far :p

Well I think it's plenty of ideas to brainstorm for now xD


Good idea but i want him to be weak against passive skills because i think this makes him to powerful.


ty for feedback and suggestions

[Kalk5]

bump

[Dario93]

near to popular hey!! gogo !

[F1]

pretty weak sotm buff. I suggest reducing the cd a little bit?:

[Kalk5]

bump
its near to popular gogo guys

[Solidan]

Like the hero.

So if you have SotM and say you copy MQ's ult. Do you get the additional hits?

[aCUTElyte]

wow this hero is the best:smile::)