View Full Version : scout don't leave stealth during ulti
jipen
07-25-2009, 10:33 PM
have 2 say i don't find scout all the op as i first and many though. But the fact that he from invis can do a 655 dmg spell and still jsut go invis after doing 225 or more.. well .. you see the prob?
specially since 40 % slow during it turns out little op.
not a huge deal but way to easy to use for being soooooo op ^^.
if he turn invis when began casting it he would still about same thing but atleast you have a chance of attack or run or something but during invis he can show up anywere next 2 you even while you get 40 % slow and lose most of your hp instant
it just turns out little 2 op .. and don't see why not turn invis
not like he would be bad or even not extremly good if was so, just that you would have 2 work a little bit for your kills atleast:D
norak
07-26-2009, 06:08 AM
If you fire off a sniped shot while in stealth it DOES break stealth, what you have to do is restealth and catch up to you. If he get's out and no stealth off CD then he is quite a easy target.
Tr1cKSt3R
07-26-2009, 06:16 AM
Love the engrish norak.
And he remains in stealth for the channeling part.
And, that and vanish are his only real offensive skills. If you see the xbow target above your head, just hide. Whoop dee doo problem solved :D
Scout isn't hard to counter with teamwork.
Besides, 300 or so damage with a 40% slow for like 5 seconds isn't OP.
What about snipers/NA's/lina's/lion's ults? those are like straight up +500 damage at least, and no one cried that they were OP.
Just buy some dust, see the target above your head DUST, chances are he's near to you so that you can't run as easily. After that just acknowledge that you see him and he'll **** bricks and probably run back, if not just stun / nuke / attack him.
jipen
07-26-2009, 12:48 PM
it does exacly the same dmg as sniper ulti does so how can you compare it 2 snipers dmg.. it does 655 dmg ,... not 300 HEELLOOO you haven't played scout have ya ?
lol ..
and *just hide* it's not that much time.. you can't hide unless blink kinda if the scout just look up it all first lol
so gl on that one ..
Juular
07-26-2009, 02:08 PM
it does exacly the same dmg as sniper ulti does so how can you compare it 2 snipers dmg.. it does 655 dmg ,... not 300 HEELLOOO you haven't played scout have ya ?
lol ..
and *just hide* it's not that much time.. you can't hide unless blink kinda if the scout just look up it all first lol
so gl on that one ..
If you're standing out in the open with a scout on the other team, as they say, "you're not doing it right".
ChimEuphoria
07-26-2009, 03:17 PM
If you're standing out in the open with a scout on the other team, as they say, "you're not doing it right".
If you dont mind me asking, what constitutes "Standing out in the open"?
An invisible hero has no trouble killing those who are anywhere on the map, let alone figuring out where they are.
Kwaurtz
07-26-2009, 03:20 PM
If you dont mind me asking, what constitutes "Standing out in the open"?
An invisible hero has no trouble killing those who are anywhere on the map, let alone figuring out where they are.
But scout's ultimate will break if you fog him. If you are standing in the middle of a lane when you are laning against a scout, then you are asking openly to be sniped. Stay close to trees to fog him if neccesary. Its really easy to break scouts ultimate the first two levels, the only time its really effective is when its level 3 and the casting time is so short. Be glad they don't give you vision of the enemy like with sniper.
Think it would ineed had been better if he left stealth when started casting.
Kwaurtz
07-26-2009, 03:37 PM
Think it would ineed had been better if he left stealth when started casting.
I'm going out on a limb and assuming that English isn't your native language of course. But I agree, him remaining stealthed is kind of a neccesary thing. You don't see scout's fighting out in the open. The hero fits his name perfectly.
glasswalke12
07-26-2009, 04:10 PM
You conclusions are astounding Kwaurtz.I have to agree scouts ulti is pretty imba.
Blessed2
07-26-2009, 04:29 PM
But scout's ultimate will break if you fog him. If you are standing in the middle of a lane when you are laning against a scout, then you are asking openly to be sniped. Stay close to trees to fog him if neccesary. Its really easy to break scouts ultimate the first two levels, the only time its really effective is when its level 3 and the casting time is so short. Be glad they don't give you vision of the enemy like with sniper.
If you fog him, it doesn't drain the mana for the ult and it doesn't put a cooldown on the ability. both i think is pretty gay, if he starts his ult up he should pay for it :/ its like saying any ability in the game shouldn't cost MANA till it does it job. which is silly.
if we could SEE him atleast we could make him pay for targeting us in stealth, instead of retardedly running away.
Marko_RS
07-26-2009, 06:24 PM
No nerf needed...leave it as it is, don't listen this crap HoN, scout has no problem.
twincannon
07-26-2009, 06:44 PM
meh, now that I've pretty much trained myself to instantly LOS after seeing the icon, I don't care as much. I wouldn't mind seeing his stealth have a lower cooldown (10-15s?) and that stealth only begins cooldown after he leaves stealth though. Just annoying that he can harrass even better than night hound.
I still confuse mek's icon with his bullseye though sometimes :( "oh no, I've been healed and have extra armor! run to the trees!"
smilingo
07-27-2009, 12:57 AM
Don't think that an easily countered melee agi hero is going to be breaking real HoN games anytime soon. Those complaining play em pub games much?
It works fine .. buy wards if u want to see him .. and he breaks stealth when the ult goes off so its not like he can ult then still be stealthed to get backstab damage.Scout is balanced as is and is easily counterable as long as u arent a mindless nub.
Ninjafish1
07-27-2009, 01:22 AM
It is kind of imba, but then again I was playing as magebane against a scout, and I managed to blink AFTER he had already shot the arrow meaning i dodge the shot while it was traveling, causing him to go into cool down and no dmg for me (3 times over the course of the game)
As you can imagine the scout started complaining about how OP magebane blink was.
Ninjafish1
07-27-2009, 01:23 AM
It works fine .. buy wards if u want to see him .. and he breaks stealth when the ult goes off so its not like he can ult then still be stealthed to get backstab damage.Scout is balanced as is and is easily counterable as long as u arent a mindless nub.
And actually your wrong, if he gets the shot off it will break his steal BUT, if he just waits long enough before shooting the cooldown for his stealth will be ready for him to use after he shoots.
That means u actually have to time your skills Ninjafish .. so what and how does that make me wrong when u just agreed that it broke his stealth so he cant remain stealthed after a ult lol.What i was saying since u didnt seem to understand is that when u stealth then ult u have to restealth if u want to backstab instead of ulting then backstabing out of stealth and already having another stealth ready to be used.