View Full Version : Is magebane competitive?
I was wondering why he is never picked in competitive games. I know he is a great easy mode carry.
Is it just because he can't get an easy farm in Normal Mode and he isn't any good in team fights?
Are there other reasons why/why not? Or if anyone can explain beyond what I just said it would be great.
Thanks
Union
11-25-2009, 07:47 AM
He is competitive. He is either banned or picked in most competitive games. I know there are a few with QuC Angel playing magebane. Out of all the carries I think he needs the least amount of farm to be effective. His ult only gets stronger as the game progresses and if paired with the proper partner, he can make a good laner. Easy to last hit and fastest base attack speed in the game. He's also difficult to gank because of blink.
Don't get him if the other team picks succubus or panda.
JoshP
11-25-2009, 07:49 AM
He is very broken at the moment, and is indeed a competitive pick.
Somnolent49
11-25-2009, 08:55 AM
Yes.
RyokoHakubi
11-25-2009, 09:03 AM
Once you get brutalizer and eldar parasite, you should be able to just permaproc stuns, gank yourself to farmdom, and win the game.
BigBadManiac
11-25-2009, 09:38 AM
Once you get brutalizer and eldar parasite, you should be able to just permaproc stuns, gank yourself to farmdom, and win the game.
Getting elder parasite can work but it can also be kind of kamikaze if you want perma stun go for geometers bane its way better has you get more mana drain and way more chance to perma stun then with elder parasite
I agree that he can be competitive but i dont know what kind of replays you ppl are seeing to say that he is allways banned or picked cause neither of them is true he is picked sometimes and probably banned if he can counter like 3 of your team picks but thats abt it has there are other heros who are more important to ban...
BloodyJester
11-25-2009, 09:41 AM
Ilu dont stun more
:(
BigBadManiac
11-25-2009, 09:57 AM
Ilu dont stun more
:(
since wen doesnt bash passes to images? i stoped playing dota for some time before hon came out so maybe that changed but they used to or at least i think it used to kind of imba now that I think abt it.... but you still get + mana drain and you dont really need the extra atack speed from parasite in the hero wich has the best attack speed in the game
BigBadManiac
11-25-2009, 10:13 AM
ok ive been checking and stand corrected
? Bashing - Works on Chronos's TimeLock and Pestilence's Gore and Rampage's Horned Strike
this seem to be the only bashes that pass to ilusions but i stand by my build has the mana drain is still imba
weeD`SuFFo
11-25-2009, 10:19 AM
He is not THAT competitive, depending on the situation he can get picked, he needs loads of farm and levels to be effective in a team battle.
JustinSynth
11-25-2009, 12:49 PM
Getting elder parasite can work but it can also be kind of kamikaze if you want perma stun go for geometers bane its way better has you get more mana drain and way more chance to perma stun then with elder parasite
I agree that he can be competitive but i dont know what kind of replays you ppl are seeing to say that he is allways banned or picked cause neither of them is true he is picked sometimes and probably banned if he can counter like 3 of your team picks but thats abt it has there are other heros who are more important to ban...
Pretty sure the mana burn doesn't stack homie. :)
im pretty sure mana burn does stack
SSformon
11-25-2009, 12:56 PM
parasite is pretty pro for early game gank
Zodie
11-25-2009, 01:15 PM
He can be good against hero?s with high mana cost spells cause of his aura, but in general carries like madman and sandwraith are better.
scapego4t
11-25-2009, 01:23 PM
Magebane is not banned or picked every game as stated above. The hero can be competitive but is not a common pick.
He is somewhat situational and not always the best choice, but his latest changes made him viable for sure.
KARTlK
11-25-2009, 01:25 PM
Magebane is not banned or picked every game as stated above. The hero can be competitive but is not a common pick.
He is somewhat situational and not always the best choice, but his latest changes made him viable for sure.
What he said. The situations he is good against are against heroes with mass aoe damage, like a pyro and a soulreaper, torturer, heroes like that. There's a game when he's played as a support, only for his plus aoe magic armor in an aoe and he picked up a pipe.
Mardhyn
11-25-2009, 01:54 PM
Manaburn does stack. I got Symbol of Rage, was still able to steal their mana.
xWEATHERx
11-25-2009, 04:00 PM
Geo bane with his latent mana burning is ridiculous. At the least if you're not going to brutalize people you'll easily shut a hero down.
@mardhyn
he ment with other manaburn items not other orbs
Kietharr
11-25-2009, 06:24 PM
Pretty sure the mana burn doesn't stack homie. :)
Geometer's Bane no longer has mana burn because it doesn't build from nullfire.
Parasite can work, but he's already ridiculously fragile if stunned. He needs HP which Geometer's addresses IMO, but there are a lot of different builds he can do effectively.
I wouldn't call him very broken or OP by a longshot though, his aura isn't even that effective against most heroes because he's too flimsy to be sitting in range of non-disabled casters long enough for it to be a big deal.
The big thing that helped him is merging the magic resist and blink into one skill lets him level up both blink and combustion earlier in the game, before you pretty much had to max resist early because he was so easy to kill with doublestun otherwise.
Llama
11-25-2009, 06:43 PM
I think the only thing going for him is his ability to ezy push lanes and not get ganked. The AoE on his ulti will never hit more than one person if the opposition is smart, but I guess it has its uses (esp when they port obsidian destroyer hehe)
LegoPirate
11-25-2009, 06:51 PM
skadi magebane = many lulz
on topic: hes situational. decent carry, but overshadowed by better hard carries *sw/madman/maliken*
Von_Moltke
11-25-2009, 06:57 PM
Very few BD games where we didn't lose the game almost exclusively due to a Magebane. In the hands of a good player he's so wild- pretty much always a ban or first pick. He has some natural counters but if they aren't in the draw he will dominate (assuming being played by someone decent).
Yes, I know BD isn't 'competitive' but the point still stands- definitely viable, in some lineups.
lumino`
11-25-2009, 07:06 PM
Magebane in its current form is quite a nonsense hero.
He needs barely any farm to dominate, just levels.
Not only that but his begingame weakness seems to have dissapeared, and his ultimate can wipe entire teams.
Throw in the best ability in the game "Blink" ,manaburn and the highest base attack speed of all heroes, and you got an agility recipe of owning.
How do you counter him? Go mass str? Competively? Really?
XReaperX
11-25-2009, 07:56 PM
Pretty sure the mana burn doesn't stack homie. :)
last time I checked it does on illusions.
Fenald
11-25-2009, 07:56 PM
he lacks the offensive utility of other top melee carries which is aoe stuns and slows.
How do you counter him?
By not letting him farm.
Heroes with long disables like pollywog bane puppetmaster witch hunter or heroes with silence are pretty much needed for ganking (unless you plan to bring like 3+ shorter stuns).
Frankly blink needs nerfed even if it means something else gets buffed.
The range is too big the cooldown too low and it gives magic armor.
XReaperX
11-25-2009, 07:58 PM
How do you counter him? Go mass str? Competively? Really?
pollywog succubus and electrician rape him. anything that can get him to hold still for 4-5 seconds destroys him. hellflower as well... hes only bad ass cuz of blink... take away his ability to blink and its gg.
Nervi
11-25-2009, 09:36 PM
5 took him for the finals of the last GR tourney against WHP. magebane went 15-0. was prolly last picked and no chance for a counter
FuzzyWuzzy
11-27-2009, 07:37 AM
5 took him for the finals of the last GR tourney against WHP. magebane went 15-0. was prolly last picked and no chance for a counter
That would probably be from Testie, not the hero :D
Succubus and Puppet counter him hard, and they are both very good competitive picks too, so I wouldn't complain so much
GaIactic
11-27-2009, 09:44 AM
How do you counter him? Go mass str? Competively? Really?
Sheepstick kills him quite nicely. He's a squishy lil bugger.
^_-;
Ashur
11-27-2009, 10:29 AM
His blink's fine, he's a glass cannon really, he can kill you and drain your mana quickly but he won't last long if you cc him and nuke his low hp arse down.
lumino`
11-27-2009, 01:23 PM
People do not get it though.
Saying that magebane is countered by picking disable is pointless. Disable has always been key in Dota and also in hon.
Both teams will pick disable, also the team with the magebane.
Succubus, Electrician, polly and witch slayer do not counter magebane. Large manapool heroes, do NOT counter magebane by any means.
Any teamfight, magebane will not allow you to engage on him.
During the rest of the game, expect to meet mass wards, good luck engaging on a magebane.
If you dont engage on him, he can choose to join the battle at his own liking, and even start off with hitting an ulti on a elec/polly/ws/succubus with half a manapool and kill almost half a team by doing so.
The only hero that "counters" magebane is puppet.
Noone here figured though that magebane can just buy shrunken, like any other carry.
softcactus
11-27-2009, 03:57 PM
Once you get brutalizer and eldar parasite, you should be able to just permaproc stuns, gank yourself to farmdom, and win the game.
As long as you decide to not be a retard and build either of those items you will be fine.
@ People saying he is squishy, if you disable any agi they are squishy however magebane gets a bunch of free magic armor so he is in fact harder to kill depending on your team composition.
In competitive games you seem to see runed axe followed by a bkb. (The build testie used in that game mentioned earlier)
Roevhatt
11-28-2009, 10:59 AM
Yes he is
Bobdoyle
11-28-2009, 07:49 PM
Some chinese teams get runed axe on him
TBAG1
11-28-2009, 11:55 PM
in my opinion he is one of the better carries to go along with a turtle lineup
Kietharr
11-28-2009, 11:57 PM
Yeah, too bad that was DotA and in HoN his passive doesn't overwrite orb effects which completely changes the way he's built. It's like saying vlad's is a great item on him.
Directed at Bobdoyle of course.
AndrewReily
11-29-2009, 01:02 PM
I've found whispering helm to rape face with him.
I havn't tested, but it seems like the damage brought from the mana drain places physical damage ontop of the current damage, hence getting extra drain.
I DON'T KNOW if that's true, or it just seems like it because he's squishy. Anyway, I may test that when I get to my computer again.