Snake Leather Boots

[A`nub`is]

http://i36.tinypic.com/96cj9v.jpg Marchers (500)
http://i37.tinypic.com/2llkm6w.jpg Snake Bracelet (1800)
http://i38.tinypic.com/ofvxad.jpg Recipe (200)
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http://monte.d2nsa.de//HoN/Suggestions/Items/Snake_Leather_Boots.jpg Snake Leather Boots (2500)
(Alternative name: Evasion Treads)


85 Movement Speed
30% Evasion




Thoughts:
(TL;D want to R? --> At least go to the comparison below, since it helps to make up your own mind as well before you post and vote).





An excellent item if you see yourself confronted with some physical dps enemies and Wingbow is not an option (because you are not agi). Though you'll have to pass on the useful things other boots could offer. Early/mid game Steamboots, Sacred Greaves and Enhanced Marchers sure give greater bonuses than these boots. But lategame Snake Leather Boots definitely shine with their high ms and massive dmg reduction. They are a solid choice on all int and str characters, if you are not forced to invest money in improved boots until/after midgame.

Though Savage Mace is a hard counter to Evasion, you'll be able to wait with buying the Boots to see if enemies are about to actually purchase Savage Mace for e.g. since they already own a Halberd, then you might as well switch to other boots - currently Riftshards and Shieldbreaker are a far more common item though.

Eventually the evasion should be in/decreased to 25%/30% - and/or the ms in/decreased to 85/80; Not sure about this right now, but balance can be done anytime; remember to vote on concept and not numbers.

Boots Price Check and Comparison:
500 - Marchers - 50ms

1450 - Steamboots - 60ms, +10 str/agi/int, 25%as
(1460 - Sacred Greaves - 70ms, 6 armor, integrated Power Supply)
1500 - Ghost Marchers - 70ms, 24 dmg, Phase (+12%ms and unitwalking)
1503 - Plated Greaves - 70ms, +3 to all attr., +5 armor, Aoe-buff (100% block of 10 dmg, +2 armor)
2500 - Snake Leather Boots - 85ms, 30% Evasion
2700 - Post Haste - 95ms, Teleport

[NameDoesntFi]

Oh dam. I likey.

[Crystal]

i would have loved something like this T up

[RUSty_]

looks great

[partyvan]

Very Interesting

[A`nub`is]

bump

[Stokkolm]

Snake bracelet is an item very very rarely used. Is usually only only bought as a wingbow component, and even then, it's the last. It costs 1800 for 25% more survival against physical attacks, but Shaman's Headress is so much better for 2050 gold, it gives survivability to magic damage, 8hp regen, and has useful components. Physical attacks can be avoided by disabling the carry, but plague needs only one second to casts the ult and it's gg.

Consider these:
1. Remove the need for a recipe
2. Maybe buff evasion to 30%
3. think about adding some other small ability to them

[A`nub`is]

I am tending towards 30% evasion, but it's better to actually make item suggestions slightly underpowered. Otherwise people vote d because they think something is OP.

[Debbye]

I like the idea.And they look good.

[Blaky039]

Seems great but too expensive, take out its recipe.

Ok, I read some post, and I think that a nice active ability should be added, maybe like giving a evasion bonus to allies inside 500 radius for say... 5 seconds?

[TrannyDanny]

Hall of fame now, and HoN NOW

[KingDerp]

Me likez!

[KingDerp]

Me likez!

[MillRock]

Good idea as long as it can't stack with bracelet on its own or bracelet in wingbow

[A`nub`is]

Good idea as long as it can't stack with bracelet on its own or bracelet in wingbow

Hehe yes. Sorry for not mentioning.
I didn't because it's a basic game mechanic, that Evasion never stacks.
But I guess not everyone knows too well about game mechanics ;)

So yes, Evasion never stacks, always the item/skill with the highest % will work.

[Wratchet]

I like the idea a lot. It would be a great addition to the Snake Bracelet possibilities.

I would increase the cost of the recipe to 600 ( a total cost of 2900 ) because I feel that it is better than Post Haste overall.

[Delvil]

Enough with the boots suggestions.

Especially this one. It's teetering on the fence between imbalance and uselessness.

[OguR93]

So nice ;] Evasion in boots ;]

[DenieD_UK]

What about:
Passive: 70% Movespeed
On use: Grants all allies 13% evasion (25% self) and +2 magic armor (+5 self) for 8 seconds. (30 sec CD).

Recipe:
Marchers (500)
Snake Bracelet (1800)
Mystic Vestments (400)

[Cap_Obvious]

I think it is NOT overpriced and in fact, it is over priced. Think about those ones that give you 90+ move speed, but the recepie is 2200 and can only teleport you where ever you want. I know that is a good boots recepie, but having 25-30% evasion and the 85+ move speed for the recepie of 200 is too cheap. Having evasion to me is more important than free teleporting. So really, draw down the move speed, or bring up the cost of the scroll.

[A`nub`is]

bump

[kevda]

movement speed bonus is too much on this item.
ghost marcher got only 50ms(movementspeed) extra and this item gets an extra 40ms for a recipe cost of 200. Increase recipe cost or decrease the end ms.

[Wallachia]

How about keeping the recipe, but giving you an extra 10 MS whenever you dodge an attack? It'd help you flee from fights, and give it a bit of added utility.

[HamsterXD]

great idea, since snake bracelet barely gets used (other than for wingbow). Make the recipe more expensive, buff the evasion percentage, add a secondary skill.

mayb something like 'corrosive trail'? Once activated, you leave a trail that does DoT.

Its a great idea, but im sure you can do better than just movement speed and evasion =)

[Bobdoyle]

They'd be great for tanks I support

[A`nub`is]

I must say Wallachia's idea is nice. If this item somehow makes it, devs should consider it (lower base ms, but minor extra ms when an attack has been dodged).


Its a great idea, but im sure you can do better than just movement speed and evasion =)

Sometimes it's: the simpler, the better.
Also: If there were active or passive effects someone else would probably say the exact opposite ("too many effects" "ehh" "too complicated") ;)

[ma5]

More carry items are the last thing we need. T-down.

[A`nub`is]

TOO BAD this is absolutely not a carry item =)

[Mantis_Blade]

Can't wait to see that implemented as proposed.
Great suggestion!

[Thysios]

Me likes.

[Vanarchy]

Hey, nice boots! :)

Though I think a simple merge of MS + Evasion is not enough for an item that comes close in cost to Post Haste. For now, I would just get another type of boots + Snake Bracelet cause crafting this 2500 gold boots does not actually grant any you any special bonuses bisides 35 MS boost.

Since current Snake Leather Boots doesn't grant you any side bonuses and 200 gold recipe looks more like an excuse to this fact then an effort to adjust the price, I have 2 suggestions.

Replace recipe with Fleetfeet, there will be no "overlap" with Steamboots cause resulting items have very diffirent roles and costs (1450 versus 2750).
Snake Leather Boots should grant the bearer some controllable (or semi-controllable) special effect, it should be powerful enough to make Snake Leather Boots a viable alterative to other variants, especially for it's price.

The best idea I can give you atm is:


Marchers (500)
Snake Bracelet (1800)
Fleetfeet (450)
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Snake Leather Boots (2750)

80 Movement Speed
25% Evasion
6 Agility
Snake's Swiftness (passive)

For every 350 distance moved increases evaision chance by 5%. Cap of 25% bonus evasion (25 static + up to 25 bonus = 50 max).
If bearer of Snake Leather Boots does not move for 1 second all additional evasion is removed (dropped back to 25% constant evasion).



So basically boots give you additional evasion while moving. Also this 1 second "clear time" should be adjusted (can be reduced, but should not be lower then 0.6s). Also this encourages the bearer to get AS items cause with decent attack speed it would allow him to attack without loosing the bonus evasion. Alternative item builds are always nice. :)

[PiXeL_NiNja]

How about keeping the recipe, but giving you an extra 10 MS whenever you dodge an attack? It'd help you flee from fights, and give it a bit of added utility.

WOW... Absolutely love this idea just drop the recipe(2200Gold).... +10MS for each evade lasts 5seconds stacks up to 5 times, with a base ms boost of +60?

This way there will be 3 cheaper boots and two top end boots...

[ma5]

TOO BAD this is absolutely not a carry item =)
Too bad it is.

Obviously in this situation you're facing a tough auto-attacker on the other team, so if you're support void talisman would be 10000000000000x better, since you get full immunity to physical and it's cheaper.

[Thysios]

how is this a carry item.

Why would a carry want this.

[ma5]

how is this a carry item.

Why would a carry want this.
i explained

and therefore i ask you

how is this a support item

Why would a support want this.

[Thysios]

Too bad it is.

is not a reason why a carry would get this item.

I think I'd rather this then void talisman, only lasts like 4 seconds or something. Not hard for most carries to avoid you/change target for that short amount of time.

If he adds that movespeed bonus per evade or something would also be a good escape.

Or even as it is would provide more survivability then Void imo.

[ma5]

Too bad it is.

is not a reason why a carry would get this item.

I think I'd rather this then void talisman, only lasts like 4 seconds or something. Not hard for most carries to avoid you/change target for that short amount of time.

If he adds that movespeed bonus per evade or something would also be a good escape.

Or even as it is would provide more survivability then Void imo.
Too bad it is wasn't my reason.

Do you know how long battles last? 25% evasion is nothing considering a carry will rape a support so quick 25% evasion would be a joke. And then you're asking a support to farm 1800 gold without dying late game, when it could be going for needed supportive items that help the team as well.

But, you know, here's a 1479 kid trying to tell me how supports and carrys play out.

[Runesinger]

Finaly Serpent Bracelet get new utility WONDERFUL you got my vote

[DarkBullet]

Yes.

[Cishpi]

imo it should be:
75 MS
15-20% evasion
and maybe like 10 agi.

[serrath]

These would be nice Tankboots.

[SLASHER`]

I would get these a lot. Maybe on pudge. Intriguing implementation of the snake bracelet. T-UP.

[resp]

nice idea, T-up

[ManusX]

http://www.honarmory.com/sig/19530.pnglow gold hig evasion bad idea item

[Escorponox]

Nice. It nerfs hard carries a bit and buffs Savage Mace which is missused.

[Angusiasty]

do want

[ethereale]

this is like plated greaves but instead of reducing damage it just allows for evasion. id like to see some magic armor or a skill that debuffs all slows

[Legionnaire]

this item is way too OP for the price. maybe increase price or rework evasion/speed

[Pineapple]

i actually like this although its a very simple item.. my only thought is that the other boots recipes have a lot of cheap items as components.. this one has only 1 component (except for boots) which is quite expensive.
imo thats a problem.. however i dont know how to fix it cause theres no other items that gives evasion so you cant really exchange the snake bracelet

[heusspower]

I think that this item is way too cheap. Evaision is something very powerfull and you can have it only for 1800 gold without any other usefullness or for 6000 which is very expencive. Evasion pwns late game and this item is too op imo

[WolveZCodeX]

Too bad it is wasn't my reason.

Do you know how long battles last? 25% evasion is nothing considering a carry will rape a support so quick 25% evasion would be a joke. And then you're asking a support to farm 1800 gold without dying late game, when it could be going for needed supportive items that help the team as well.

But, you know, here's a 1479 kid trying to tell me how supports and carrys play out.

First of all: Just cuz he's low psr doesn't make him a bad player.
Second: I totally agree with you on this. It's so much easier for a carry to farm this then a support. Not much carry get Wingbow lately and this is like a cheaper version except no +damage for them.

My suggestion would be this one:

What about:
Passive: 70% Movespeed
On use: Grants all allies 13% evasion (25% self) and +2 magic armor (+5 self) for 8 seconds. (30 sec CD).

Recipe:
Marchers (500)
Snake Bracelet (1800)
Mystic Vestments (400)
Except the +70% -> +70 Movespeed. Was probably just a mistake.

[I3ooI3oo]

Sacred greaves?

[Shen]

Nah sorry, I think that's too overpowered. either lower the evasion %Chance or the movement speed increase to 70

[A`nub`is]

Sacred greaves?

Not sure if they were only part of the test client or if they simply got changed to the plated greaves (which are changed now again with the release patch). Just keeping them listed there... because you never know :p

[Kalium]

Great item. Voted yes, though i think it needs some small bonuses. Perhaps +1 or +2 armor or an activatable ability that gives something like 30% extra evasion for 2 seconds, or 100% evasion for 1 second and a small ms boost.

[Good_Apollo]

Good item, balanced.

Though I'm inclined to ask, do we really need more boots?

Maybe a diff item utilizing Snake Bracelet?

[Krypteia]

Might be a little cheap, considering it makes the availability of evasion so much easier to buy. You are effectively giving heroes an extra item slot if they need evasion but don't want bfly.

Making the evasion 25 or 20% would probably really help the balance IMO

[eriktheguy]

It would be a nice alternate snake bracelet recipe for non-agility heroes that don't want to commit to wingbow.

[Tony`]

This is a great idea. I would like to see this item in HoN.

[SAFAD]

+999
like this idea

[MANTOWN]

Merry christmas nigga... I like

[Kulmis]

This item make wingbow useless, 30% miss change is too much.

[Psychel]

why is this not in the game yett ? valid, unbuffy.

[xoL]

85 ms is too op

[LilDiddly]

Really expensive for not adding any stats. Give it like +3 to all stats or something.

[biggy_Style]

Very, very, very usefull
and awesome idea !

[BiggDogg]

This is one of the few items that I actually like. Mainly because I hate having to go a useless boot on a tank. This finally gives a truly effective boot on a tank, and also gives snake bracelet another use.

The only problem I see is a heavy price.

[Akaitashi]

AWSOME!

[LightofdaY]

I approve now to rename this to "nike" shoes.

[Token]

keep them the same, but maybe add an active skill on the boot that grants the user 100% evasion for 1 second, with a 15 second cooldown, this would allow intels for clutch moment plays with the boots skill to dodge that one attack that would kill them before they had enough mana for hex etc.

[Riceaxe]

I like the Idea but the Introduction of this item would make Savage Mace the Nr.1 Item Carries would get : /

[Vulcan]

If you made the bonuses 85 movespeed, drop the evasion back down to 25% and add gloves of the swift to give +20% attack speed, along with giving a 300-500 recipe, it would be a large investment but very much worth it..

[Muteny]

Nice

[Strayreaper]

I also think it should have less MS (70-80) and back to 25% evasion. The recipe can be taken out though. Otherwise, looks great!

[bledq]

I was thinking about the similiar item - how abou giving it 80 MS and activated slow resistance - for 5 seconds you cannot be slowed by more then 20%? Should be more expensive though.