Put Away That Nerf Bat!

[Sabre]

I'm rather tired of seeing people begging for heroes like jereziah or torturer to get nerfed, when games last long enough as it is.

I think it would be much more helpfun if heroes like armadon, zephr, hellbringer (to some extent) and predator got some buffs instead of bringing things down to their level. It seems easier since there are fewer crap heroes, and it might make them more interesting to play. Speed up the game a bit, make the heroes a little more deadly.

Try to keep it civil children.

[Sadhe]

Not everything can be fixed by giving the underdogs a buff, sometimes you have to swing the hammer.

[_23Chxt]

I think predator i ok, plus torturer must be buffed for his blades skill ( diabolic edict ) to damage towers, thats all. And the gameplay time depends on the hero/player and not general long

[Kudryavka]

Just ignore ANYONE who says Torturer needs nerfed. He's weaker than in DotA. Also, Zephyr and especially Hellbringer are fine. Predator and Armadon, though, I'd agree definitely need a buff.

[BLUEPOWERVAN]

I would second zephyr and hellbringer being fine. People don't seem to appreciate our new int tank overlords.

[Mizarus]

Just ignore ANYONE who says Torturer needs nerfed. He's weaker than in DotA. Also, Zephyr and especially Hellbringer are fine. Predator and Armadon, though, I'd agree definitely need a buff.

Torturer is weaker? now he has much better casting animations, hes a monster on HoN, on what aspect is he stronger on Dota?

also ive seen a couple of decent armadons and predators out there, if they need to be buffed its a minor buff.

[Draddock]

In DotA, Diabolic Edict (blades) focus nearby targets so you can have all the blades hitting one target at a time rather than spread out, also it could damage towers - 8 seconds of edict would bring towers down at least 60% hp.

[CrashLemon]

Hellbringer definatly doesn't need a buff, I'm always playing him because I love him and it doesn't need one.

(Note that a nerf would be the stupidest thing ever)

[BobSacamano]

yes, buff hellbringer

[Mizarus]

In DotA, Diabolic Edict (blades) focus nearby targets so you can have all the blades hitting one target at a time rather than spread out, also it could damage towers - 8 seconds of edict would bring towers down at least 60% hp.
well but to compensate this, his other 2 skills are MUCH better on HoN then they used to be on dota, his stun is extremely easy to hit, on dota it required timing and predicting where the enemy would be.
His new Lightining skill has a much faster animation and its not restricted by Line of sight, he is much stronger now then he used to be in my opinion

[Evilite]

I think it would be much more helpfun if heroes like armadon, zephr, hellbringer (to some extent) and predator got some buffs instead of bringing things down to their level. It seems easier since there are fewer crap heroes, and it might make them more interesting to play. Speed up the game a bit, make the heroes a little more deadly.
I agree completely. Instead of getting butthurt about carries, you must look at which heroes the carries are easily feeding off of and not getting killed by. I would say that the best 85% of the heroes are balanced with each other, and it is the 15% of underpowered heroes (Armadon, owl, predator, TREE [walking ult?]) that are ruining the balance. They feed a lot and that makes carries such as scout have insane KDA ratios. I have actally seen Hellbringer and Torturer lead their entire team to victory singlehandedly but I will spit coffee on my keyboard when I see armadon or owl do it.

[Garenzo]

Buffing or nerfing the hellbringer? No thanks. Leave him alone!
But I do agree with the general idea of the original message somewhat... everybody is so focused on making strong units weaker... what about weaker units stronger!? Leave the big, tough guys alone and make the sucky guys NOT sucky!

[ma5]

Zephyr needs a buff, Predator is fine. Just play him like Naix? I've never had a problem going armlet/treads/deso with him.

[cr0w2]

Nerfing 1 hero is easier than buffing 3, there are less heroes needing nerf than heroes needing buffs

[_Archangel_]

Buff Chronos, he's terrible. :(

[Microchaton]

Well I've just seen a zephyr raping the other team inside out, agressive as hell, ended with like 18/4 ...
Torturer is okay, maybe a little too good, because he's extremly annoying all along the game, with a tank item build and heroes like behemoth and pharaoh, nympho he's just amazing.
Armadon is pretty weak.

I think nympho might be a little op too.
Increasing the scout's vanish manacost in higher levels would be a good thing too. Atm vanish is just too powerful. Maybe with a short fade time ? 0,5 or 1 second. Not much, but it's really too easy for him not to die...

About chronos, I think his ulti's cooldown should be lowered a little, or the manacost lowered, because early, mid, and late if his team is losing by far, he can't do anything without good items.

[Dope]

buff hellbringer and zephyr?

lulz

[pedobearpig]

Havent lost a game with armadon yet. seems fine imo. he just has a different playstyle. i really think that we should limit who can post in these balance forums. theres a HUUUUGGGEEEEE difference between someone who has been playing DotA a very long time, and someone who just got a beta invite and is tryin to pick this up. maybe something to qualify posters first?

[Glorify1]

Nerfing non-imba heroes is about as pointless as reading noobs' posts about bad heroes being imbalanced.

[FiNGERS]

In DotA, Diabolic Edict (blades) focus nearby targets so you can have all the blades hitting one target at a time rather than spread out, also it could damage towers - 8 seconds of edict would bring towers down at least 60% hp.

The tooltip for HoN's version of Diabolic Edict sounds EXACTLY the way it works in DotA, regardless of what animation it plays.


Just ignore ANYONE who says Torturer needs nerfed. He's weaker than in DotA.

Torturer IS being nerfed, there are certain LoS issues that weren't intended.

[Glorify1]

Torturer is being nerfed and buffed, he'll be more like leshrac in how he functions.

[Sabre]

Yeah, I admit that I finally got around to playing zephyr and hellbringer, and I don't think they need a buff.

But regardless, I don't think that nerfing the crap out of everything that pwns people is going to help, some heroes need to get better. Yes, I'm certain people can do well with armodon, he's certainly not useless, and same with pred, but I still feel they are underpowered with all the other heroes in their roles.

[Hibi1]

100$ says they nerf heros that shouldn't be nerf'd, buff heros that didn't need it, and rework heros that are fine. Catering to pubby noobs is always win... Torturer is fine... Hellbringer needs a slight rework, tree needs a rework(Picking up a tree for more melee damage, really??), scout and madman need a slight buff(Yes serious, he's not usable at high level team play), predetor needs to be made to an actual useful carry, voids bashing needs to be fixed so he's a viable carry, temptest's elemental shouldnt kill sylla bears bear instantly, war beast needs a slight buff, and demented shaman is fine...

[jipen]

honestly.. only person who need a buff is zephyr.. i mean hellbringer beaing overpowerd or way 2 weak ? what bullshit is that.. there's nothing wrong with hellbringer he's just a general good hero.. migth bring the heal down a little bit that would be everything.. ?
but boost zehpyr a little bit .. i mena if he's gonna be good in the end 90 % is about luck hoping his tornados gonna hit the enemy.. but they just random around so just hold your tumb... that's just stupid.. buff zephyr not nerf the other cool heros

<3 zephyr just 2bad he can't be good as he is =---- but truly play him just cause he's so cool anyway haha

[Ryoma]

Buff Chronos, he's terrible. :(
Yes! And I even don't know why...
I mean he feels the same as in DotA but for some reason everytime I have to play him, I want to rip my head off... I can't remember void walker being crap, though...
Actually I saw quite a few games in DotA with void walker rampaging through pubs, while in HoN... never. ever. (I mean it)

Other than that pretty much all heroes are fine I'd say.

[Cantspel]

Incoming nerf bat!

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