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schila
11-15-2009, 08:00 AM
I have been watching some replays from the gamesreplays tournaments, and i havnt seen tempest being picked nor banned yet. I couldnt find anything in the rules which suggested that he was auto banned, why is he suddently low tier Oo?
balmain
11-15-2009, 08:04 AM
because there are alot of tempest counters, essentially any hero that can stun.
schila
11-15-2009, 08:49 AM
He was beyond top tier, a couple of weeks ago
caveviS
11-15-2009, 09:05 AM
He was beyond top tier, a couple of weeks ago

Not really, he was still able to be effectively countered. But also more counters were ported.

Sand Wraith and Vindicator ultimates counter portal key initiations. Panda has 3 disables that all go through Shrunken Head.

HoN has a type of play where the metagame can change even without heroes themselves being directly changed. People have capable Pharaohs on their lineup which counter Tempest pre-BKB, Soul Reaper and Succubus are popular picks who both counter Tempest even with BKB... etc.
Von_Moltke
11-15-2009, 09:07 AM
Hellbringer is the only true Tempest counter honestly. Rest are hit and miss.
kablitz
11-15-2009, 09:22 AM
^uhm...vindicator?
Von_Moltke
11-15-2009, 09:26 AM
Hit and miss. Fights can and do last longer than 5 seconds, especially considering a decent team will backpedal until the silence is over before engaging again...where Tempest blinks in. I would admit that Sand Wraith is probably nearly as good as Hellbringer at shutting down Tempest though!

Tempest is still top tier. He is almost always banned, and when he isn't its usually because Hellbringer/Wraith wasn't either.
NoctisFaytE
11-15-2009, 09:26 AM
Tablet of command (or w/e it's called) counters tempest =x
schila
11-15-2009, 10:03 AM
Hellbringer is the only true Tempest counter honestly. Rest are hit and miss.

Vindi could wait and use his ulti when tempest does, actually making him a global counter, compared to a 1200 yard counter by hellbringer
Glorify1
11-15-2009, 10:05 AM
Vindicator can sit back and silence when tempest ults, countering it completely.
Krangry
11-15-2009, 10:11 AM
Hellbringer is the only true Tempest counter honestly. Rest are hit and miss.
Hellbringer, pharoah, vindicator, demented shaman, magmus, there are just too many, alsot you can have sandwraith ult, or thunderbringer ult so he cant blink.
schila
11-15-2009, 10:47 AM
Hellbringer is the only true Tempest counter honestly. Rest are hit and miss.

Vindi could wait and use his ulti when tempest does, actually making him a global counter, compared to a 1200 yard counter by hellbringer
chofeV
11-15-2009, 12:49 PM
they made a nasty hero to counter tempest : vindicator.
Freshpro
11-15-2009, 01:01 PM
germans are from germany.
`Cherry`
11-15-2009, 01:23 PM
Vindicator, Hellbringer, Sand Wraith, Thunderbringer quite easily counters tempest.. and high tier teams knows how position themselves without being all caught in the tempest ulti.
FuzzyWuzzy
11-15-2009, 01:47 PM
I have been watching some replays from the gamesreplays tournaments, and i havnt seen tempest being picked nor banned yet. I couldnt find anything in the rules which suggested that he was auto banned, why is he suddently low tier Oo?

Silencer and Spectre got ported. ^^
nakke
11-16-2009, 12:19 PM
wait wait.. so if a hero has counters he is useless? i mean he still has a decent stun and awesome pushing power.
Extreme_Cake
11-16-2009, 12:21 PM
Since he's actually picked in dota (viz EG vs. KS.int), he's perfectly pickable, it's just that teams won't necessarily choose to do it every game.
entrails
11-16-2009, 01:18 PM
what about sandwraith counters tempest's ult? i'm missing something.

edit: images prevent portal key?
MrShine
11-16-2009, 01:28 PM
yes, the sandwraith counter assumes a tempest that blinks and ults. the sandwraith images will counter this by deactivating the portal key and revealing tempest's hiding spot.
Forfeit
11-16-2009, 01:29 PM
what about sandwraith counters tempest's ult? i'm missing something.

edit: images prevent portal key?
They do damage caused by a player, which prevents portal key. You just have to time it right.
Drasha
11-16-2009, 01:33 PM
Tablet of Command is the easy way to counter tempest pretty hard.
dilatedmind
11-16-2009, 02:26 PM
No, I agree, I feel like he is less of a threat now.


But look, he is still sometimes picked


http://www.gamereplays.org/community/021_GR_6th_Tournament_Semis_FFS_vs_PSP_Music_VoD-t555196.html
HatTrick
11-16-2009, 06:02 PM
Great hero, great ultimate. But hes no longer a gamebreaker, only against uncoordinated teams he can easily turn the tide of a team fight