[Mid Wars] One Pick - Only "hero X"-Mode in MidWars

[Baer]

Since many people liked to play e.g. Devourer Only in MidWars I thought this game mode would work pretty well in Match Making.
This mode is the democratic way to play "Only hero X" in MidWars, where no one can troll and pick another hero.

http://i.imgur.com/XOgBy.png


Phase 0 - Suggestion : 15 seconds~
This phase is optional, but the mode would benefit from it for the sake of variety.
You can use this phase to make suggestions if you want to have a special "Only hero X" match.

Phase 0.5 - Narrowing : 15 seconds~
This phase is optional and wasn't part of the original idea. Either way this mode could really benefit from it.
To narrow things down, you first decide on the hero attribute.
Otherwise you'd have to vote 3 out of over 100+ heroes, which won't have good results most of the time.
You vote for either the STR, the AGI or the INT category.
Note: This Phase was the idea of ChewyCat (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?310927-ChewyCat).

Additional: This Phase could contain a fourth option: Random! If the majority of votes (or the fate :blac:) decides for it, the system will choose a random hero and will go on with Phase 3.

In this picture you see the vote options at the top: STR, AGI, INT or RANDOM HERO.
http://i.imgur.com/jQ6Om.png

Phase 1 - Nomination : 20 seconds~
Everyone can vote for 3 heroes (votes are hidden till the end of the phase)
In the following example you see a player voting for Flint Beastwood :flin:, Armadon :arma: and Devourer :devo:. (The Picture does not feature Phase 0.5, which would happen before)
http://i.imgur.com/FgA7N.png

Phase 2 - Final Vote : 15 seconds~
Everyone can vote for 1 of the most voted 3 heroes.
The hero with the most votes is selected for everyone.
In the following example you see a player voting for Devourer :devo: in the final vote, where Flint Beastwood :flin:, Armadon :arma: and Devourer :devo: were nominated. (The Picture does not feature Phase 0.5, which would happen before)
http://i.imgur.com/shZhw.png

Phase 3 - Preparation : 10 seconds~
Time to prepare for battle ;)
http://i.imgur.com/6q9yr.jpg

Important notes:

- If there are heroes with the same amount of votes it shall be random which hero is chosen (in phase 1 and 2).
Unfortunately not everyone can be lucky with a democratic decision. So :blac:'s dice shall decide the fate.

- UPDATE 07-17-12: There could be a simplified version for the Public Mode, where the Host decides alone, which hero will be chosen. The hero should be chosen before the game starts - when you choose the game mode, you also have to choose a hero - this would prevent hosts from griefing and changing a :devo: Only game to a :scou: Only game.

- UPDATE 08-16-12: Added two optional Phases 0 and 0.5 to the suggestion.

I hope you like this idea. Miss those :devo: only times.
Please tell me, if you don't like parts of the idea or the idea at all.

[Baer]

bump

[JackDanie1s]

Hey man definately a good idea I also miss those duplicate hero games. Good work it's suprising S2 didn't do something like this to start with.\

[Ragnea]

looks legit. Defiantly supporting this :>

[Omega]

Do it! This is an amazing implementation of an amazing idea.

Give this guy a medal, and put this in the game!

5v5 panda!

[Baer]

5v5 panda!

The problem with that one is, that a 5v5 :pand: game will most likely rarely happen. I smell 90% :devo: matches (Which doesn't mean they can't be fun).
But I think this system is the most fitting one for the Match Making system. There could be a simple version for public games, where the host can directly pick the "only Hero", without voting.

[SLazz]

i never play midwars but not bad idea (STIL WONT MAKE ME PLAY MID WARS)

[ILoLdHard]

What happens (although it would prlly rarely happen) if all 10 players select a different set of 3 heroes, resulting in those 30 heroes each having 1 vote?? Furthermore what happens to groups queueing in as five all select the same set of 3, and if the opposing team does the same?

[Clytemnestra]

try 5v5 artesia or 5v5 chipper.you will **** bricks.still,what happens if all the players vote different heroes?10 players,each 3 means 30 out of the 100pool

[Baer]

What happens (although it would prlly rarely happen) if all 10 players select a different set of 3 heroes, resulting in those 30 heroes each having 1 vote?? Furthermore what happens to groups queueing in as five all select the same set of 3, and if the opposing team does the same?

As I tried to say in my first post:

If there are heroes with the same amount of votes it's random which hero is chosen (in phase 1 and 2).
So in case in Phase 1 there would be votes for a total of 30 heroes, then it should be just 3 random heroes of these.
The same case for the final vote, if 5 player vote A, 5 others B and no votes for C, then it should be randomed between A and B. I don't see another possibility to do it in Match Making. If people can't decide on their own - 50/50 votes - needs to be a solution and one has to draw the short straw.

Thanks everyone for voting so far, this suggestion can now go to Tier 1 and some S2 members will look at it.

[Syth`]

Really like the idea, should make midwars 10 times more fun to play. I support this!

[Mummpitz]

gud idea ! BUMP!

[Chime]

Look like a well polished idea, i just feel like something is missing, dont know what though.

[Clytemnestra]

Look like a well polished idea, i just feel like something is missing, dont know what though.
an admin to implement it

[Baer]

an admin to implement it
Well, this suggestion will stay alive another month. Normally an S2-Admin will have looked at it by then. So let's root for it to be implemented.

[Seasons]

I love the idea!

However! What if we first have a blind ban? Pink and blue blindban 3 heroes each, then vote for 3 heroes each and then people vote for one of those 3-6 picked heroes. This would allow games OTHER than all armadon/all flint.

Another possible mode would be Two Random, where we first see a blindban for each side, and then legion and hero gets one hero randomed for their entire team (i.e. Legion blindbans flint, dev and behemoth, hoping to get artillery in the random, and hellbourne blindban flint, dev and thunderbringer because of bad experiences. The random then happens, with Legion getting Panda and Hellbourne getting Artillery).

[Baer]

However! What if we first have a blind ban? Pink and blue blindban 3 heroes each, then vote for 3 heroes each and then people vote for one of those 3-6 picked heroes. This would allow games OTHER than all armadon/all flint.

Would be good if we wanted to have always different matches. But it would destroy the whole purpose of the voting phase.
There will be two persons, who are able to make 8 people mad, by banning their fav "only" heroes. That's not fair =/

[Biffo]

Yes, I like this suggestion!

I suggested other modes in the topic I opened for midwars, if you're interested!


http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?432903-Ideas-for-Midwars-modes!

[Phoenix_NZ]

I suspect a problem with this mode will be that if a hero gets the majority vote that some players REALLY don't want to play, then they'll just rage quit...

I agree that a dupe mode needs to be put in for MidWars but I'm not sold that this is the way to do it.

[Baer]

I suspect a problem with this mode will be that if a hero gets the majority vote that some players REALLY don't want to play, then they'll just rage quit...

I agree that a dupe mode needs to be put in for MidWars but I'm not sold that this is the way to do it.
I was afraid of this problem as well, but I really don't see another solution for this kind of mode.
Like I suggested in one post, there could be a version of this mode for public games, where the host is able to decide the played hero all by himself.
But this - democratic - system is in my opinion the only way for Match Making. If people are not happy with this way, or really want to play a certain hero, they should go for the public game solution.
So maybe differentiating in a MM and a Public mode, would do it for every player.

EDIT: I just added this to the Important Notes part of my suggestion.

[FlippyToast]

Yes please. Take this Minor Totem as a reward for your awesome idea :minortotem:. These kind of games are so fun.

[Baer]

Yes please. Take this Minor Totem as a reward for your awesome idea :minortotem:. These kind of games are so fun.

Thank you, kind Sir :-)
Though in any case we have to wait for a new Mid Wars game mode, since they just added All Random to it.

[innova3]

any s2 member manifested?
big idea. congratz bro.

[Burahianu]

dude, all the players always plays with flint:flin:, devourer:devo: or artillery:arti:, u need to add a ban heroes in phase 1, each captain team can ban a 3 heroes like blind ban of mid wars, and after that they can choose the 3 heroes to pick see? that's sounds better to me i dont know what the people can think about my idea...

[Baer]

dude, all the players always plays with flint:flin:, devourer:devo: or artillery:arti:, u need to add a ban heroes in phase 1, each captain team can ban a 3 heroes like blind ban of mid wars, and after that they can choose the 3 heroes to pick see? that's sounds better to me i dont know what the people can think about my idea...
To be honest, I thought about this as well, just for the variety, but would it really please all people?
I tried to create a system suitable for Match Making that most players will enjoy, starting with the hero choice.
Say 9 players want to play ONLY :devo:, unfortunately pink or blue is a troll and bans him. Most of these people will be mad, you can avoid this by simply making the choice democratic. Or I'd rather see 10 random bans than 2 players banning in a fun mode by themselves.
Also like I suggested and noted in my suggestion post: There should be an option for public games, where the host chooses alone the hero for the ONE PICK game. You can add variety like this, though you couldn't join MM games and earn coins that way. :(

But all depends on S2's opinion about that, they'd most likely add, like you suggested, a blind ban phase before phase 1.

[iRaaaageQuit]

Awesome idea.

[SkyLore]

Man this an amazing idea and of course I loved it! Good job on this on ;) Very creative and unique.

[DrMcNinja]

Oh hells yes! This is something I REALLY want. All dev is pretty fun. Some combos are silly though.

Perhaps an alternative working like pink vs blue except with your 'democratic' setup instead of pure dice rolling. Hero selection is hidden til the game starts. Epic fun. Much imbalance but that's where the fun comes from.

[AnaL`oL]

lol, that's a decent idea totally gonna support it :D

[Example27]

I really want this, and I want it yesterday.

[Quillenator]

So much support for this idea, I pray this gets implemented.

[MrBigMac]

cool idea, well written, well thought
over 100 yes already, thay have to watch this ^^

[Baer]

Almost 120 yes votes, that's just awesome!
Hope S2 gives this idea a chance or they'll create an even better one.

[ChewyCat]

Sorry if this was said before - I didn't read the thread
I think the initial vote should be of str vs agi vs int to help narrow things down
Other than that, I would love this

[Baer]

Sorry if this was said before - I didn't read the thread
I think the initial vote should be of str vs agi vs int to help narrow things down
Other than that, I would love this

This wasn't posted before, but it would be a nice addition. Maybe it was the one thing, the suggestion was missing from the start. That way you don't have to directly vote 3 heroes from over 100+. Though I'd still seperate the votes in 3 parts:
1. Str or Agi or Int vote. 1 vote for everyone.
2. Vote 3 heroes from the voted hero stat pool.
3. Final vote 1 out of 3.

I'll add your idea to the #1 post.

EDIT: I added a random hero option to your phase. So you can vote for Str/Int/Agi/Random Hero.

[Baer]

Thanks for over 130 (Yes!-) Voters!
This will help the suggestion much.

[`blackbird`]

5 hammerstorms vs 5 hammerstorms

keep nuking down 1 poor kid :(
and no one would want to throw their hammer first :P

only problem with this mode is that people would just pick the same heros over and over, because lets be honest, who would pick say: nymph, ramp and monarch?

I'd say make it more like single draft where it randoms 3-5 heros and then people vote.


edit: didn't read any other posts besides OP's so if this has been mentioned, ignore this.

[Baer]

5 hammerstorms vs 5 hammerstorms

keep nuking down 1 poor kid :(
and no one would want to throw their hammer first :P

only problem with this mode is that people would just pick the same heros over and over, because lets be honest, who would pick say: nymph, ramp and monarch?

I'd say make it more like single draft where it randoms 3-5 heros and then people vote.


edit: didn't read any other posts besides OP's so if this has been mentioned, ignore this.

This has been mentioned from time to time, that's why I included the "Random Hero"- option. I can see it being used pretty often if implemented like this.
But come on, I thought about the part with the missing variety as well. The mode is democratic already, why wouldn't you let the majority play the hero they want?
Implementing a Banning phase would be stupid, because you ban heroes you don't want to play against and not heroes you don't want to play yourself.
If you force people to play the craziest heroes for this mode, people would just remake and hope to get a better selection.
You want to play a random hero? Random then, okay. 9 other people want to play stupid devourer only matches, you don't really have another choice.
If the players really wanted a variety, S2 had to implement two versions of this mode. The original one and a draft type.

And to shorten things, if you read the whole suggestion, I meantioned a simple "Only hero X" game mode for public games, where the hosts decides which hero is played.
Want all Nymphora matches? That's the way!

[foul_beast]

nice idea, needs a pink vs blue tick added in for extra awesome

[stacks]

10 Thunderbringers :o

[Baer]

10 Thunderbringers :o

There are no limits for fun ;)

[Baer]

Over 160 Yes-Voters. That's incredible.

[TheDefqon]

Sounds funny and a nice presentation. +1

[Baer]

170 yes votes?
S2 should know by now, that we want a nice duplicate hero mode for Match Making.

Though if somebody has still more ideas to improve this suggestion, please tell me, so we get the best experience possible.

[MrDaebak]

It should go random one pick.

[Baer]

It should go random one pick.

Well that's why I added a random function to it.
But I don' think it would be great to play random heroes every time =/

[Ahimtar]

i feel like phase 2 is unneeded, as you have phase 0.5. that makes it to around 40 heroes, and as you got 10 players * 3 votes = 30 votes, should be pretty enough to decide which hero to go, no need to clarify it again imo.

[Baer]

i feel like phase 2 is unneeded, as you have phase 0.5. that makes it to around 40 heroes, and as you got 10 players * 3 votes = 30 votes, should be pretty enough to decide which hero to go, no need to clarify it again imo.

Just like I described the phases I see the 2nd phase as some kind as final vote.
With this kind of "democratic" hero choice you'll try to have the best choice possible. 30 total votes out of 40 heroes isn't much, the more famouos heroes will get something like 5-6 votes in that phase or when time goes by even less. So in the end you'll have around 7 heroes with similiar number of votes and so e.g. the top 3 will have 4/5/4 votes. Players who didn't vote for either of those heroes will still have the chance to decide which of these heroes will be played.
So the point of this phase is: Make more people happy, with 10 to 15 more seconds. Seems fair for me.

[Sammerrz]

It should go random one pick.
All KOTF gg

[Wongster]

GGWP 10 scouts, only going to be a battle of warding

[Radio_Raheem]

201st voter!
189th yes!

Also, if there was going to be a blind ban phase, it should be every player getting three +1 votes and one -1 vote (or one +2 vote, one +1 vote and one -1 vote) as part of the pick phase. I don't think it's necessary personally, but it seems that a lot of people are interested in having some way to deny all-devo when they don't want to play all-devo.

[Baer]

201st voter!
189th yes!

Also, if there was going to be a blind ban phase, it should be every player getting three +1 votes and one -1 vote (or one +2 vote, one +1 vote and one -1 vote) as part of the pick phase. I don't think it's necessary personally, but it seems that a lot of people are interested in having some way to deny all-devo when they don't want to play all-devo.

Like I tried to state before.
A banning phase wouldn't be that good for this mode.
1. It takes even more time.
2. In a normal banning phase, you ban heroes, that you either don't want to play against or just risk, that your enemy might pick them before you.
2.1. Since everyone gets the same hero, there is really no need to get rid of certain (OP etc) heroes. This is a mode based on democracy, if most people want to play Devourer, well you are f*cked. To prevent always the same games, you could simply start by voting for a random hero (I implemented phase 0.5 for this).
Also a +1/-1 vote possibility is pointless, since the majority will just -1 vote a ban and pick the hero they want afterwards.
3. Also I would like a different mode for Public Games, where the host decides by himself the played hero (when opening the room) so only he can decide the crazy mid wars hero.

[Radio_Raheem]

Just a tiny bit of research on the statistics of voting will show that having multiple tiered votes for each voter actually leads to a majority of the voters being pleased with the end decision, even if it wasn't the top pick for any of them.

This is called a Borda Count (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borda_count) and there are reams and reams of scholarly articles written about it.

In any case, your idea is solid and i'm excited that it's nearly at 200 +1's

[Baer]

What do you mean by "multiple tiered votes"? If I understood the wiki article about this correctly, then this got nothing to do with this.
Anyway, even though I lead many people from the GD forums here, this suggestion "only" got 13 No-voters and 204 votes in total.
I hope that S2 sees what we players like and a mode like this is realy needed.

[SayRay]

This would make me play Midwars again. Midwars has gotten so boring now a days, it needs a new twist. I +1.1 (cause I can.)
Imagine 5v5 behes, my poor screen would just shake for hours.

[OpenShadows]

Nice idea, I can just imagine a 5v5 in forests with 10 dev's on the map or 10 scouts haha xD would make for some fun plays +1

[Kuritany]

I'd love to play a 5:plag:vs 5:plag2:.
Keep in mind that draws must come much more frequent as the mode comes to be popular and people get tired of devo-wars all the time.


Nice idea, I can just imagine a 5v5 in forests with 10 dev's on the map or 10 scouts haha xD would make for some fun plays +1

5v5 Night Hound in Caldavar:
So.... where are they?

Dude wtf? Why didnt you use smoke to save me?
Sorry thought that was your smoke.
Are you dumb? Can't you see it was his smoke?

Initiate, I'll pounce in.

F*** you dude, don't ks me, I'm the carry!

[SirRadish]

10 pandas. Holy crap that'll be awesome. And would take some skill indeed.

[Baer]

Keep in mind that draws must come much more frequent as the mode comes to be popular and people get tired of devo-wars all the time.
You more or less summarized it in a nutshell.
I don't think a "Random Only Hero"-mode is really needed because of this.

Also 202 Yes-Voters! I can almost smell it in Newerth :V

[ZulukinG2010]

AWESOME MAN ! Definately wanna see this in game !

[Baer]

Thanks to all 230 for their support so far.
S2 has at least to add something similiar that fulfills our wishes for a great "duplicate heroes" mode.

[Glubberfish]

Great idea! I do not see any problems with the rage-quitters. They will leave and get their leaving percentages. That way, the problem will solve itself.

[BluRay]

I support the idea, I really think we need a system who manages that, because it is really hard to manage this yourself as host, when you open a public game and try to get everyone to pick the chosen hero.
Good idea

[MattTheHuman]

Sick of all these utter retards that decide to come into an All Devourer game and pick something else. Would even be cool just to checkbox which heroes are available to pick. Voted Yes.

[Wesburl]

I want this in my life.

[Blazkowicz]

Sick of all these utter retards that decide to come into an All Devourer game and pick something else. Would even be cool just to checkbox which heroes are available to pick. Voted Yes.

QFT
I hate all these retards/trolls too!

[iNoLife]

awesome idea +1

[Lyaser]

I like the idea but i do think there needs to be some kind of banning system somewhere otherwise you will always get only arma dev or flint and if one team doesnt the other will and it will just be an smashing for 15 min.

Im not sure how you would incorporate this, maybe just the same 3 blind bans or maybe everyone gets 1 blind ban. I can understand that one of those games every once in a while is fun but without banning i feel like it will happen everygame.

[Baer]

I don't really see a problem there.Also that's where the voting system plays an important role.with all players voting for the hero they want to play that game, it wouldn't be really fair to ban these heroes, would it?If s2would implement this suggestion they should try it first without a ban system. Unlike the current ban modes where you usually ban heroes you consider strong and dont want to play against, here you would ban the hero everyone will play. So why should it be fair for variety's sake to ban certain heroes?I know the problem but I dont think giving 2 players the option to ban heroes would solve it best

[Kelomancer]

Supporting this mode, sure it could be fun.

[Baer]

300 Yes votes with 320 total votes.
Pretty nice, keep the votes coming guys.

[Or]

Awesome idea,

I would like that it would be possible to go each team with a different hero, like Devour vs Gauntlet too

[Baer]

Awesome idea,

I would like that it would be possible to go each team with a different hero, like Devour vs Gauntlet too
I really like the option with different heroes too, but I think it's not really suited for Match Making as it is/can be even more unbalanced than All Random mode, at least from my experience.

[Rkey]

Still not implemented, like wtf? X)

[Knz`dk]

Love this idea.

[CJXander]

+1,but if you want a duplicate midwars game,you can play a public game.

[Baer]

+1,but if you want a duplicate midwars game,you can play a public game.
Couldn't we say that for every mode? :)
The point of this mode is to bring a real duplicate MW mode to Match Making.
If I remember it correctly before the official Mid Wars map was released most MW games played in public were duplicate heroes (mostly Devourer~ because of the big map) games.
HoN players like match making, so why not adapt this mode for them? :)

[ElijahCohen]

on your back.

[Lano]

BUMP! Very smart!

[mgsonik]

Don't you know BUMP IT UP! You've got to BUMP it up!!!

Awesome idea! I would waste so many hours playing such a fun mode!

Can you imagine a for-instance like a 5x :andr: team? You can literally swap an enemy into the your Fountain via a well aligned chain of ulties :D

[bajsko]

amazing idea! love it!