alternate avatar lore

[_Scars_]

do you think alt avatars have lores too or is it just a skin and only for cosmetics

let the discussion begin

some quotes from anothe thread:


easily put, the ones that stands for a unit than an individual can be incorporated. assuming no fun costumes.

:scou: :scou2:
:pyro: :pyro2:
:elec: :elec3:
:poll: :poll2:
:chip: :chip2:
:slit: :slit2:


and even for individuals like
:phar: :phar2:
:shad: :shad2:
:engi: :engi2:
:dead: :dead3:
:keep: :keep3:
:hamm: :hamm2:

also the ones like :vind: and :vind2: can be used to describe the change in character and skillset


http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Jerozhttp://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=15159793#post15159793)easily put, the ones that stands for a unit than an individual can be incorporated. assuming no fun costumes.

:slit: :slit2:


and even for individuals like
:phar: :phar2:
:dead: :dead3:
:keep: :keep3:
:hamm: :hamm2:



I agree with all but the quoted ones. As far as we know there is only one Slither. Of course Ivy Slither (I know it's MSIvy) could be another demon frome the same pit. In that case I would prefer to call her just Ivy.

Same applies to the individuals, the alt avatars could just be other beings with similar power, but how likely is it that the Hellbourne finds two mummy's, Pharaoh and Cleopatra (which one? egypt had atleast 7, but I guess it's the famous one^^) who have the exact same powers? And then a third from China. Well it did happen in Brandon Fraser's Mummy films...



there are only a few alts that are not messing up the lore, like bombs alts and chipper but most of them have nothing to do with newerth, they are just made to look nice and have the same feel as the original hero, but no background.

[BuddhaKekz]

I just realised I misspelled Branden Fraser's name and now it's quoted for everyone to read. What a humiliation!

Just kidding. :P Let's get get back to being serious.


Let's start with heroes that represent more than one single hero. For them it's easy to find ways to incorporate them into lore, because they could just be different beings with the same training (and therefore same skill set)

Strength:

Behemoth: Infernal Behemoth could be tainted by demonic corruption. Minotaurus fits Newerths lore stylistically but not as a behemoth, I'm not sure about him.
Keeper of the Forest: Newerth saw several keepers (atleast 2), so Mother Nature could be a female keeper. Christmas Keeper is more of an fun avatar, I think we can ignore him lorewise.
Legionnaire: Logger Legio doesn't fit the lore imo.
Predator: Same as with Legio, for both alts.
Berzerker: There could be more of Berzerker's kind, one of them could have been corrupted by the Hellbourne. Not sure though.
Devourer: Clown Devo seems to be more of an fun alt, however since Newerth is set in the future it could be possible (devos could know many humans are afraid of clowns). I'm not sure about Oni, can he considered to be a Devourer?
Electrician: Demonbuster, no. Steampunk, yes considering the Hellbourne have Repulsor on their side.
Ravenor: There a many Ravenors, but only one of them goes by the title, so I'm not sure if we should consider him a multiple unit hero, but if yes, Dominus could be one of them.

Agility:
Scout: Female Scout, yes. Sniper Scout could actually be possible to. It's not like the Legion doesn't have the technology. They just can't produce it. (I think)
Valkyrie: Legendary and Fallen Valk are ok. Cyber Valk, maybe, but I tend to say no.
Engineer: His lore mentions him as a single engineer, however I think Rosi could be some kind of student to him.
Bloodhunter: While the concept of a landshark is awesome, I don't think he fits the lore.
Corrupted Disciple: I'm not sure if he is a mutiple unit hero, but if so Steampunk doesn't fit the demonic lore. He could still work as archeology professor (like Repulsor). But as such he has not much to do with CD.

Intelligence:
Blacksmith: Mhh nope, neither of them.
Pollywog Priest: Both avatars could represent members of his tribe.
Tempest: Mystic Tempest could work.
Pyromancer: Possible if the Sacred order allows females to enter.
Chipper: If the chiprels can build a robot, why shouldn't they be able to build a tank?
Martyr: Again depending on the fact if females are allowed in the position.
Revenant: I don't see why Wraith wouldn't be a bit different looking Revenant.
Geomancer: And again I'm not sure if he is a multiple unit hero, but if so Centipedalisk is possible. Geojuice not.

[_Scars_]

I just realised I misspelled Branden Fraser's name and now it's quoted for everyone to read. What a humiliation!


fixed

logger legio could have lore, since there must be normal loggers on newerth too

[Rulke55]

I just realised I misspelled Branden Fraser's name and now it's quoted for everyone to read. What a humiliation!

Just kidding. :P Let's get get back to being serious.


Let's start with heroes that represent more than one single hero. For them it's easy to find ways to incorporate them into lore, because they could just be different beings with the same training (and therefore same skill set)

Strength:

Behemoth: Infernal Behemoth could be tainted by demonic corruption. Minotaurus fits Newerths lore stylistically but not as a behemoth, I'm not sure about him.
Keeper of the Forest: Newerth saw several keepers (atleast 2), so Mother Nature could be a female keeper. Christmas Keeper is more of an fun avatar, I think we can ignore him lorewise.
Legionnaire: Logger Legio doesn't fit the lore imo.
Predator: Same as with Legio, for both alts.
Berzerker: There could be more of Berzerker's kind, one of them could have been corrupted by the Hellbourne. Not sure though.
Devourer: Clown Devo seems to be more of an fun alt, however since Newerth is set in the future it could be possible (devos could know many humans are afraid of clowns). I'm not sure about Oni, can he considered to be a Devourer?
Electrician: Demonbuster, no. Steampunk, yes considering the Hellbourne have Repulsor on their side.
Ravenor: There a many Ravenors, but only one of them goes by the title, so I'm not sure if we should consider him a multiple unit hero, but if yes, Dominus could be one of them.

Agility:
Scout: Female Scout, yes. Sniper Scout could actually be possible to. It's not like the Legion doesn't have the technology. They just can't produce it. (I think)
Valkyrie: Legendary and Fallen Valk are ok. Cyber Valk, maybe, but I tend to say no.
Engineer: His lore mentions him as a single engineer, however I think Rosi could be some kind of student to him.
Bloodhunter: While the concept of a landshark is awesome, I don't think he fits the lore.
Corrupted Disciple: I'm not sure if he is a mutiple unit hero, but if so Steampunk doesn't fit the demonic lore. He could still work as archeology professor (like Repulsor). But as such he has not much to do with CD.

Intelligence:
Blacksmith: Mhh nope, neither of them.
Pollywog Priest: Both avatars could represent members of his tribe.
Tempest: Mystic Tempest could work.
Pyromancer: Possible if the Sacred order allows females to enter.
Chipper: If the chiprels can build a robot, why shouldn't they be able to build a tank?
Martyr: Again depending on the fact if females are allowed in the position.
Revenant: I don't see why Wraith wouldn't be a bit different looking Revenant.
Geomancer: And again I'm not sure if he is a multiple unit hero, but if so Centipedalisk is possible. Geojuice not.

Riftwalker and Ophelia ones, how about theirs?

[Jeroz]

i don't quite get the discrimination against the female here :P

you would think you'll get all the possible resources you can get

[Rulke55]

i don't quite get the discrimination against the female here :P

you would think you'll get all the possible resources you can get

No it's more you forgot to mention them, Riftwalker alternate really suggests another dimesion and Ophelia alternate may be when she made a deal with the Hellbourne.

[Jeroz]

No it's more you forgot to mention them, Riftwalker alternate really suggests another dimesion and Ophelia alternate may be when she made a deal with the Hellbourne.

I was actually referring to Buddhakekz's post :P

[Rulke55]

I was actually referring to Buddhakekz's post :P


Ah, well sorry, also Scars could you please make the thread say this Alternates Avatar Lore, right now the grammar person in me hates how it is :P.

[BuddhaKekz]

I did neither forget nor discriminate women.^^ I was refering to heroes that are actually a representation for a profession, like scout, no name given for him because he is just one of many scouts. The same applies to Legionnaire, Pyromancer, Pollywog Priest et cetera.

Ophelia on the other hand is one single person, there are no "Ophelias". I'm also pretty sure that Riftwalker is a single person, not a whole cult of people.

And for the discrimination thing, trust me, I'm the last person to make a difference between people based on their gender, race, religion or whatever. ;) I just thought it would be a legit question, because Pyromancer's Sacred Order and the Chruch of Sol are heavily based on the christian religion (especially the later) and many religious orders don't allow females into specific positions (like there can't be a female pope or even bishop in the catholic church)

[_Scars_]

Ah, well sorry, also Scars could you please make the thread say this Alternates Avatar Lore, right now the grammar person in me hates how it is :P.
if you could tell me how to i would

[Rulke55]

Scars, pretty sure just edit your top post.


I did neither forget nor discriminate women.^^ I was refering to heroes that are actually a representation for a profession, like scout, no name given for him because he is just one of many scouts. The same applies to Legionnaire, Pyromancer, Pollywog Priest et cetera.

Ophelia on the other hand is one single person, there are no "Ophelias". I'm also pretty sure that Riftwalker is a single person, not a whole cult of people.

And for the discrimination thing, trust me, I'm the last person to make a difference between people based on their gender, race, religion or whatever. ;) I just thought it would be a legit question, because Pyromancer's Sacred Order and the Chruch of Sol are heavily based on the christian religion (especially the later) and many religious orders don't allow females into specific positions (like there can't be a female pope or even bishop in the catholic church)

So for Riftwalker we can certainly speculate that her alternate is the version of her that demanded more power, thus became more monstrous and lost most human characteristics.

[_Scars_]

didnt see the go advanced button, everything should be good now i hope, not really good at (english) grammar
as for riftwalker i think the alt is her empowered too, becouse on the normal riftwalker she has something the same colour as elders skin

[BuddhaKekz]

So for Riftwalker we can certainly speculate that her alternate is the version of her that demanded more power, thus became more monstrous and lost most human characteristics.

Possible, however the alt avatar looks male. Of course this could be a side effect of the transformation.

And again, I was talking about heroes that represent a whole group. Sorry if I repeat myself, I failed to make it clear what I was talking about so I reword it again. In my next big post (which I will write as soon as I have the time) I will talk about the possibility of alternate versions of heroes (in a what could have been kind of sense).

[_Scars_]

what also could be the case is that the elder riftwalker is the one riftwalker has learned her skills from, riftwalker isnt an unique name so there could be more riftwalkers we dont know about, maybe from other dimentions? and that this is newerth's riftwalker

[Rulke55]

what also could be the case is that the elder riftwalker is the one riftwalker has learned her skills from, riftwalker isnt an unique name so there could be more riftwalkers we dont know about, maybe from other dimentions? and that this is newerth's riftwalker

Very interesting idea, tying to the idea of Rosie being The Engineer's student, the Elder Riftwalker could have seduced her with promises of power, but maybe didn't warn her what the power would eventually do to her. Why is she a Hellbourn actually, what's her motivations for that?

[_Scars_]

Very interesting idea, tying to the idea of Rosie being The Engineer's student, the Elder Riftwalker could have seduced her with promises of power, but maybe didn't warn her what the power would eventually do to her. Why is she a Hellbourn actually, what's her motivations for that?
becouse she wants power more than anything else, she is so obsessed by it that it doesnt matter wich side she uses it for

[Romaneck]

I think there could easily be several riftwalkers, while her lore is referring only to the individual at hand there is nothing that stops us from having more than 2, elder riftwalker could be a woman too, its just that she is so gruesomely deformed after going to deep in the forbidden arts

Some avatars just make sense such as Helga being Hammer`s sister or Ni

[BuddhaKekz]

As far as I understand the lore of Prophet, there are many prophets, which would explain Serpent Prophet and Bone Prophet. Besides that they are Cobra Commander and Skeletor! :P

[Grandmont]

Cthulhuphant is dating Ilithiphelia, but is secretly engaged to Nymphora.

This is canon.

[BuddhaKekz]

Cthulhuphant is dating Ilithiphelia, but is secretly engaged to Nymphora.

This is canon.

Only in the universe where Ilithiphelia exists instead of Ophelia, not in the "main" one. ;)

[Foerdifuxx]

I just realised I misspelled Branden Fraser's name and now it's quoted for everyone to read. What a humiliation!

Just kidding. :P Let's get get back to being serious.


Let's start with heroes that represent more than one single hero. For them it's easy to find ways to incorporate them into lore, because they could just be different beings with the same training (and therefore same skill set)

Strength:

Behemoth: Infernal Behemoth could be tainted by demonic corruption. Minotaurus fits Newerths lore stylistically but not as a behemoth, I'm not sure about him.
Keeper of the Forest: Newerth saw several keepers (atleast 2), so Mother Nature could be a female keeper. Christmas Keeper is more of an fun avatar, I think we can ignore him lorewise.
Legionnaire: Logger Legio doesn't fit the lore imo.
Predator: Same as with Legio, for both alts.
Berzerker: There could be more of Berzerker's kind, one of them could have been corrupted by the Hellbourne. Not sure though.
Devourer: Clown Devo seems to be more of an fun alt, however since Newerth is set in the future it could be possible (devos could know many humans are afraid of clowns). I'm not sure about Oni, can he considered to be a Devourer?
Electrician: Demonbuster, no. Steampunk, yes considering the Hellbourne have Repulsor on their side.
Ravenor: There a many Ravenors, but only one of them goes by the title, so I'm not sure if we should consider him a multiple unit hero, but if yes, Dominus could be one of them.

Agility:
Scout: Female Scout, yes. Sniper Scout could actually be possible to. It's not like the Legion doesn't have the technology. They just can't produce it. (I think)
Valkyrie: Legendary and Fallen Valk are ok. Cyber Valk, maybe, but I tend to say no.
Engineer: His lore mentions him as a single engineer, however I think Rosi could be some kind of student to him.
Bloodhunter: While the concept of a landshark is awesome, I don't think he fits the lore.
Corrupted Disciple: I'm not sure if he is a mutiple unit hero, but if so Steampunk doesn't fit the demonic lore. He could still work as archeology professor (like Repulsor). But as such he has not much to do with CD.

Intelligence:
Blacksmith: Mhh nope, neither of them.
Pollywog Priest: Both avatars could represent members of his tribe.
Tempest: Mystic Tempest could work.
Pyromancer: Possible if the Sacred order allows females to enter.
Chipper: If the chiprels can build a robot, why shouldn't they be able to build a tank?
Martyr: Again depending on the fact if females are allowed in the position.
Revenant: I don't see why Wraith wouldn't be a bit different looking Revenant.
Geomancer: And again I'm not sure if he is a multiple unit hero, but if so Centipedalisk is possible. Geojuice not.

Xeno Pred could fit into the lore.
I thought about sth like "Alien vs. Predator", but with exchanged rolles...
Alien Andro (the further developed civilization -> But Aliens -> The Prey) had been come to Newearth because he searched for support in their own war against the hordes of Xenopreds (Predators -> But less developed).
Alienandro ensure to help the Legion -> Legion ensure support to his people)
Xenopred joined the Hellbourne to cull his natural prey

Just a few ideas

[LoreMeister]

Guys,

Watch the patch notes for snippets on the various alt avatars that are being released. Many of them would be considered canon avatars. I will try to be more active here as we move forward and more official lore is developed in house. I have many, many official pieces in the works, so hopefully I can help you answer many of these questions.

[_Scars_]

yea i read them and i am more than happy that hon is getting more and more lore involved

[Ekantar]

I hate bumping up older stuff, but any word on the canon alts? As there is a relation chart up now which may or may not be accurate, it might be helpful to have certainty on which avatars are actually canon and which ones are simply a joke. Some are obvious (Christmas everything) but others have the line blurred. Not going to question all of them, but just a few to get the idea across semi well.

Twista is one of the mighty Air Elementals of Newerth. His is a lonely lot in life, always drifting from place to place never making any friends. But now he has found the Legion, always willing to accept new warriors against the Hellbourne. They welcomed the Wind Warrior into their ranks only to find that he is more than a bit of a blowhard!

(( Are we looking at an elemental, much like Tempest? Does Twista fit in with the lore? ))

* Deep within the Iron Mountains the dwarves toil day and night extracting the riches from the earth. Occasionally when seeking the metals and gems buried in the mountains the dwarves stumble upon on other, hidden things. Such is the case with the Aegis. The ancient shield of the first King of Hell was found in one of the deep tunnels and the first dwarves who touched it were asphyxiated by its evil. A great alchemist warded a charm through the use of her own blood to protect another from its evil. Her own son must take the unholy burden to the deepest point in the ocean and drop it in in order for it to be destroyed. While waiting for a ship to sail, the adventurous dwarf has decided to bring its power to bear against the demons that forged it as Brann, The Shieldbearer.

(( What a huge wall of info right there! Dwarves were a given, Iron Mountains were. Relic of the first king of hell? So the first king of hell had something to do with Eyes. The Aegis probably wouldn't have a huge eye on it if it were not a given from the original relic. As for the water based powers, are those a given for the lore? ))

* From the hollows of the Darkwood Vale come the restless spirit of Headless Horseman Pyromancer. Maliken may have taken his head in battle

(( Darkwood Vale you say? Deadwood springs to mind, maybe a Newerth fairy tale? Or a sinister battle that took place here? ))


* The dark deamon-summoning Priestess Hellbringer has arrived in Newerth bringing a powerful new Malphas along with her.

(( Sounds good to me, sounds like a canon alt. But how does the priestess relate to the regular hellbringer? ))


Now I wonder to what degree we can expect alts to be part of the official lore. This was only a simple try to make sense of some of the more recent alts, but the same can be applied to older alts to some degree.

[Hubaris]

There are many Hellbringers in the world; but there is one Hellbringer (the one we know).
Any one who was able to summon the Malphai was a Summoner or Hell Bringer IIRC.

As for Twista, there are many Elementals so having an Air one is not far fetched.

As for Brann's shield, I think that it has the power that he draws on.


first dwarves who touched it were asphyxiated by its evil




Oh no, the shield is making me do this!
Just kidding it was all me


I think its safe to assume that the shield is where Brann's water powers come from.

[BuddhaKekz]

* From the hollows of the Darkwood Vale come the restless spirit of Headless Horseman Pyromancer. Maliken may have taken his head in battle

(( Darkwood Vale you say? Deadwood springs to mind, maybe a Newerth fairy tale? Or a sinister battle that took place here? ))


Darkwood Vale is actually a map, though it isn't avaible in match making so most people aren't familiar with it anymore. It's also very rarely played in public games, in fact the last time I played it was in the beta days and even then only once.

[Ekantar]

Ah yes, I know there are more Hellbringers, so this alt seems like a possible lore addition, just wondering about the priestess part. Twista seems like a possible one too, but Brann makes me a bit unsure. For the record, all of that above was about the alts fitting into the lore, not if they could be real or not.

As to Darkwood Vale, I know it's an area, just wanted to relate it to Deadwood as that is where the hero is from. I know it is a map, it's just that not the whole story is told in the alt announcement.