1400-15000MMR help

[Lemop]

Does anyone have any idea how I can get out of this stupid MMR?
I can juke, do damage, pay attention to the minimap, last hit properly, deny, etc.
I just got out of a perfect match, where me and a PR who was babysitting me completely locked out the enemies in our lane from getting farm while I was pretty much freefarming.
Then guess what happens, both the mid and the solo top lane guy comes out and jumps us, they have nullstone and frostwolf already (Was a CM beause I didn't feel like playing a NM match right then, wanted to test something)
The Flint kills me and I hear "Champion of Newerth" already, and it was my first death.
It doesn't matter how good I or my lane partner do, if the others fail their lane it's GG. Impossible, I didn't even have a runed cleaver or anything at that point.

[zstarkey42]

If you're doing well you go roam or tp to help other lanes. Winning a lane won't win you the game, and if you believe you're better than most people around you should try to mid since the mid hero usually has more control of the game if you get good levels, farm and rune control.

[Katieeee]

As above said - Go gank other lanes. CM rewards getting kills/pushing down towers a lot better than just free-farming. If your other lanes are feeding and you're still sitting there going for a Runed Axe, you're on the wrong track for CM.

Edit - Browsed through some recent replays of yours, and your play was quite mediocre, not impressive for the 1400-1500 bracket.

Your previous 6 NM MM matches only had two wins, and in one of them, you got carried super hard. :/

[TattyJangles]

It's casual. You need kills, not farm. Farming does pretty much nothing past the laning phase in casual.

[SimplyEvert]

If you haven't left the lane by the time an enemy has an 8 kill streak, you are doing something wrong.

[Daaaaaaaark]

its simple math
if 1 lane wins and 2 lose u r supposed to lose most of the times
(btw i think there is a typo in the title - i dont think ive ever seen someone with 15000 mmr)

[Raxian]

So its my first acc raxian.

i learn this from game when u are stuck at 1500 u are just 1500 may be only better 1500

my main acc is now 1810 look this match its my old match from when i was 1630 look not 1500 -1400 1630 bit better then my enemies are also 1630

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/600164_4098996523395_1042088490_n.jpg

when u cant do that u are 1500 i win that match 3vs1 nearly feeder disconnected mq just 1.skill cant hit ult whole match

u must learn how to farm how to farm true items etc. i can offer you watch testies stream

also tattyjangles 1400 0.90 player talking too much waste at all posts

[TattyJangles]

So its my first acc raxian.

i learn this from game when u are stuck at 1500 u are just 1500 may be only better 1500

my main acc is now 1810 look this match its my old match from when i was 1630 look not 1500 -1400 1630 bit better then my enemies are also 1630

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/600164_4098996523395_1042088490_n.jpg

when u cant do that u are 1500 i win that match 3vs1 nearly feeder disconnected mq just 1.skill cant hit ult whole match

u must learn how to farm how to farm true items etc. i can offer you watch testies stream

also tattyjangles 1400 0.90 player talking too much waste at all posts

Elder parasite and frostburn. Cool story, bro.

[ikir]

^ you don't even know how to play the game lmao. he was forced into a carry role instead of initiating, and his items are perfect for the situation. elder parasite is the #1 luxury item on hammerstorm aside from a daemonic. all you need is some defense (shrunken), then you can be just fine with elder.

[TattyJangles]

Oh jesus, do I really have to explain this?

[Ackwell1]

If you can last hit and deny properly youll be instantly 1700.

[MagicalDrink]

I took 5 or so months off from HoN last year and became so rusty that I was down in the MMR cellar by June of last year. Using the old MMR system, there was a point that I was in the 990's-1000s range, it was that bad. The problem is when you get that low, it doesn't matter how much you improve, you can't compensate for 4 other idiots on your team. (Ex a Pestilence with TWO pks)
What I did was find a noobstomping hero that I felt comfortable with and played with that hero as much as I could. Unfortunately in the low MMR's you have to be selfish. You cannot trust your teammates to ward, call mias or make generally competent decisions. Watch your own back, gank and farm for YOU as much as you can and try to ignore the Swiftblade on your team who is running around with Spellshards. Some of you may criticize me saying this, but then again most of you have never fallen as low as I have.
I picked Amun-Ra and began a slow steady climb to where I'm currently at 1320, which is still far FAR away from where I want to be.

Luckily, I have a few friends in the high 1500s who are strong players and let me play with them in their bracket. Over the past few months I've become a much more solid player and generally do quite well on my own in the low brackets because of playing experience with players over 2000 MMR higher than me.

Recently, an opposing player rated at about 1575 laughed at our team when a 1320 (me) picked a carry and then was surprised when I proceeded to go 17-4 as Draconis.
My other piece of advice: play with irl or ingame friends. Over time, you'll develop a synergy where you can predict each other's movements and help each other. I wouldn't have improved as much without the help of my irl buddies.

[Ackwell1]

^Theres an awesome point. Be selfish and pick a stomp hero prefer mid cause with solo lane youll have more exp and farm which will give you more impact on the game. I kinda dislike that he said you cant compensate 4 poor player. You for sure can and thats the only way to climb as solo. I recently carried my mate back to 1600s from 1400s and I lost like 2 games, its easy if your better player.

[MagicalDrink]

^Theres an awesome point. Be selfish and pick a stomp hero prefer mid cause with solo lane youll have more exp and farm which will give you more impact on the game. I kinda dislike that he said you cant compensate 4 poor player. You for sure can and thats the only way to climb as solo. I recently carried my mate back to 1600s from 1400s and I lost like 2 games, its easy if your better player.

Lol yeah I should have said that with some heroes you CAN compensate for poor teammates but with many others you can't.

[Ackwell1]

^If you really are better no matter which hero you play

[Uroefl]

If you know how to deal damage and know how to juke, maybe you should take a look at viable heroes and map presence and key positioning.
I myself aint a great player but after learning how to position myself my Mmr went up by quite a bit, you should deffinitely try to position urself better in teamfights.

I suggest choosing heroes like Aluna and valkyrie and try to stay in the back of the teamfights and deal massive amount of damage.
Also Tatty meant that you have 2 attack modifiers in that game.

[TattyJangles]

Yeah and also, the other team were clearly bads too. Nice frostburn pebbles. They had 0 physical damage so once he got shrunken it was GG. Swap the frostburn for a brutaliser and you would have had a good build.

[Ackwell1]

^Brutalizer the most useless item in the whole game.

[TattyJangles]

^Brutalizer the most useless item in the whole game.

Sac stone. Your argument is invalid.

[Artivicii]

I used to be 1500, and then i started watching honcast. The competitive pro games they host are amazing and I learned a lot with breakycpk and others commentating. You should keep up with some of the recent tournaments and style of gameplay. HoN is a progressive game in which play styles vary as you reach higher mmr. Watch some videos and listen carefully and you may learn a lot and reach 1700 like me! Keep a lookout for hero builds (skill and items), hero combinations, and player reaction/decision making. All of these are essential into reaching higher mmr.

http://www.youtube.com/user/honcast/featured

[healplease]

how come brutalizer and sac stone are usueless?
http://filhosdaliberdade.org/wiki/docs/jackie-chan-meme-imgur-630.jpg

[TattyJangles]

how come brutalizer and sac stone are usueless?
http://filhosdaliberdade.org/wiki/docs/jackie-chan-meme-imgur-630.jpg

Brutaliser isn't, sac stone is useless on pretty much everyone. It's viable on tort maybe.....

[Ackwell1]

Brutaliser isn't, sac stone is useless on pretty much everyone. It's viable on tort maybe.....
You said it, its viable to tort, but brutalizer isnt viable to anyone. I also like to pick blood stone to defiler. I get early helm and mana ring which I dissamble to blood stone later.

[healplease]

how come brutalizer is useless?i sometimes make it on magebane,pred,scout,nh or tdl(usually melee carries).considering their atk speed,a brutalizer proc can easy lock the target for me and my team.am i doing something wrong?

[Wizad]

Yeah brutalizer is a decent anti-carry item.

Can anyone tell me how I can check people's MMR on the forum?

[healplease]

i said i make it on a carry,not anti-carry,but i have to agree that even ministuns against carries doesn't let them deal their damage.so how come it is an useless item?

[Ackwell1]

The item is decent, but there is ALWAYS better items to pick up. Theres a reason why I havent ever seen basher in competitive game.

[healplease]

and what is that reason?i know they mostly go for sb for dps,but what other items do they get?

[Ackwell1]

Depends on the hero, why dont you go and watch some games. I bet you would learn something useful.

[TattyJangles]

I disagree. Brutaliser is fantastic on magebane. He has the attackspeed to get procs constantly and otherwise lacks any way to lock someone down and lay into them without help from his team.

Steam boots, shield/helm, cleaver, shrunken, brutaliser then either riftshards, savage mace or shieldbreaker. That's typically my build on MB and it works really nicely. Pop shrunken, blink onto the carry, destroy him then move onto the supports as they flee in terror while your team takes down anyone else (ie tanks, magic damage dps)

Certainly it's not a necessary item and other builds will definitely work just as well, but to say it's useless or bad is pretty much just plain wrong.

[Ackwell1]

I disagree. Brutaliser is fantastic on magebane. He has the attackspeed to get procs constantly and otherwise lacks any way to lock someone down and lay into them without help from his team.

Steam boots, shield/helm, cleaver, shrunken, brutaliser then either riftshards, savage mace or shieldbreaker. That's typically my build on MB and it works really nicely. Pop shrunken, blink onto the carry, destroy him then move onto the supports as they flee in terror while your team takes down anyone else (ie tanks, magic damage dps)

Certainly it's not a necessary item and other builds will definitely work just as well, but to say it's useless or bad is pretty much just plain wrong.
You have no clue how to mb according to your build... You even skip the best item mb can have, geometers bane. You prior the wrong targets... First supports cause mb destroy them in matter of seconds.

Build: steams, helm, frostburn/only firebrand, geo, fws/bkb,fws/bkb, wingbow. Upgrade helm into heart later and if you dont need bkb you can get something like savage/abyssals. I usually skip bkb completely cause with right positioning you can easily carry w/o if your opponents arent that good.

Please dont listen to this guy, he is completely clueless in this game.

[TattyJangles]

You have no clue how to mb according to your build... You even skip the best item mb can have, geometers bane. You prior the wrong targets... First supports cause mb destroy them in matter of seconds.

Build: steams, helm, frostburn/only firebrand, geo, fws/bkb,fws/bkb, wingbow. Upgrade helm into heart later and if you dont need bkb you can get something like savage/abyssals. I usually skip bkb completely cause with right positioning you can easily carry w/o if your opponents arent that good.

Please dont listen to this guy, he is completely clueless in this game.

Geos is another great item. I wouldn't count abyssal as useful when compared to other items he can get, and I much prefer SB to FWS. . I don't really rate wingbow. Don't say I'm clueless just because our builds differ, both are perfectly viable. Don't be so up yourself please. My main point was simply that brutaliser is NOT a useless item on melee carries. I'm not getting into an argument over magebane builds. There are an infinite combination of items that will work, especially since many are situational. This will be my last post regarding brutaliser, and regarding magebane as we're getting off topic and I have nothing further to say about it.

[Ackwell1]

Geos is another great item. I wouldn't count abyssal as useful when compared to other items he can get, and I much prefer SB to FWS. . I don't really rate wingbow. Don't say I'm clueless just because our builds differ, both are perfectly viable. Don't be so up yourself please. My main point was simply that brutaliser is NOT a useless item on melee carries. I'm not getting into an argument over magebane builds. There are an infinite combination of items that will work, especially since many are situational. This will be my last post regarding brutaliser, and regarding magebane as we're getting off topic and I have nothing further to say about it.
Yes they might work, but why not just build the best way?? I dont get your logic... I use the best builds always, dunno about rest of you.

[Myzreal]

Oh jesus, do I really have to explain this?
This maybe me LOL.

Ikir, you're a dumbass. Learn the game before you start telling others that they argue badly. Tip: Look for attack modifiers, what they are, which items provide them and do they stack.

[Raxian]

Oh jesus, do I really have to explain this?

dude just i can that u are trash

u are playing with books come forum read guides go another topic and talk trashy

basher is a one of the trash items its just only work on 1500

that is the way that isnt picked in the competitive

also stun isnt all in that game its just only good at disabling but i dont play like a disable and i dont need a disable in that game

i farm first shrunken in that game then elder i need improve my dps cuz of elder +15 damage also i farm frostburn for his mov speed when my shrunken ends pebbles stun throw devs decay on of jeres perma %28 slow really hurts me also frostburn gives attack speed and more str also i can farm symbol of rage in that game but i dont farm cuz of ye its better item may be but im whole game roamed go other lane stun him waste his time etc. i need more regen etc.

also with last words im %100 sure u cant win that game and go score like 1/3


extra when jere ulted my basher totally useless cuz i cant deal any damage but frostburns mov speed let me chance to catch him again

[Clytemnestra]

how about warbeast brutalizer?how is that?

[Raxian]

how about warbeast brutalizer?how is that?

basher just only good at

War Beast
Wild Soul
Magebane

[Clytemnestra]

basher just only good at

War Beast
Wild Soul
Magebane

how about tdl?she has a slow but it is not that good.or pred?he is kited like hell and his 1st doesn't slow that big.what he needs is a stun and basher gives it.

[TattyJangles]

dude just i can that u are trash

u are playing with books come forum read guides go another topic and talk trashy

basher is a one of the trash items its just only work on 1500

that is the way that isnt picked in the competitive

also stun isnt all in that game its just only good at disabling but i dont play like a disable and i dont need a disable in that game

i farm first shrunken in that game then elder i need improve my dps cuz of elder +15 damage also i farm frostburn for his mov speed when my shrunken ends pebbles stun throw devs decay on of jeres perma %28 slow really hurts me also frostburn gives attack speed and more str also i can farm symbol of rage in that game but i dont farm cuz of ye its better item may be but im whole game roamed go other lane stun him waste his time etc. i need more regen etc.

also with last words im %100 sure u cant win that game and go score like 1/3


extra when jere ulted my basher totally useless cuz i cant deal any damage but frostburns mov speed let me chance to catch him again

Judging by the players on both teams in that game and the item pickups I'm very surprised that anyone in that game is over 1500. If you had farmed SOR on top of elder and frostburn I would have literally pissed myself laughing at your retardation.

And please learn to speak english, it's really hard to understand what the hell you're attempting to say.

[Rkey]

I'll mentor you, I'm 1700 and I know everything there is to know about that bracket.

My in-game name is Rkey, when can you be online?

[Ackwell1]

basher just only good at

War Beast
Wild Soul
Magebane

Not good on those either... There are ALWAYS better items to get. How many times do I have to say that?

[Clytemnestra]

Not good on those either... There are ALWAYS better items to get. How many times do I have to say that?
you don't have to say it a number of times,you have to say WHY are them better!

[Ackwell1]

you don't have to say it a number of times,you have to say WHY are them better!
Are you that stupid? More surviveability, damage and better use...

[TattyJangles]

I think Ackwell needs to stop thinking he's William Largepenis and that his word is beyond question and maybe back up his arguments better.

[Ackwell1]

I think Ackwell needs to stop thinking he's William Largepenis and that his word is beyond question and maybe back up his arguments better.
Just trying to help you, its not my bad if your 1400 and butthurt when I tell what your doing wrong. Then you might just stay there if advice from better player doesnt interest you

[ThorHushovd]

The item is decent, but there is ALWAYS better items to pick up. Theres a reason why I havent ever seen basher in competitive game.

Just because it isn't seen in comp games is not a valid statement. Magebane wasn't seen in comp play either, and 99% thought he was trashtier. The same goes with Zephyr, moraxus, tdl, flux etc..

Just because they are not seen, doesn't mean that it's not a good item.

I semi-agree though, it's not something I usually get.. But if i'm playing magebane and the fights always ends up in a carry vs carry fight, I will almost always get brutalizer as it owns 1v1.