Needed Competitive Hero Ports (Intelligence)

[F8]

I'm curious as to what people think some of the heros that need to be ported in for competitive play in HoN. We all know that S2 works hard to create new heroes, but let's give them a priority list, shall we? I've allowed multiple selections during the time you vote, so please vote only for the ones you think are needed most. Try not to vote for too many, as that will not help the poll.


INTELLIGENCE

Aiushtha - Enchantress (Semi-Carry/DPS/Chaser)

Puck - Faerie Dragon (Ganker/Support)

Ezalor - Keeper of the Light (Support/Pusher/Lane Bastard)

Furion - Prophet (Ganker/Pusher/DPS)

Raijin Thunderkeg - Storm Spirit (Semi-Carry/Ganker/DPS/Harasser/Disabler)

Alleria - Windrunner (Ganker/Disabler/DPS)

Jin'Zakk - Batrider (Disabler/Ganker)

Squee Spleen and Spoon - Goblin Techies (Trapper)

Kael - Invoker (Completely Versatile)

Visage - Necro'lic (Pusher)

Boush - Tinker (Nuker/Ganker/Pusher)

Jakiro - Twin Headed Dragon (Pusher/Teamfighter)

Ish'Kafel - Dark Seer (Ganker/Chaser)

Pugna - Oblivion (Pusher)

Harbringer - Obsidian Destroyer (Semi-Carry/DPS)

[F8]

To think... I almost forgot Puck in this vote. I fail so hard.

[BLABLAFU]

Furion, Pugna, Harbinger.

This game needs more good pushers and ranged carries.

[cruorem1]

storm or enchant

[BIGWANG]

Invoker o_o

[CronoDroid]

Tinker, Storm and Puck. We need more good solo'ers (Tinker/Puck) and more intelligence carries (Storm).

Zeus dominates HoN metagame right now in terms of solo'ing, I mean Necro, Bane, Lich and Madman are fairly good at solo'ing but Zeus, IMO, still is unquestionably the best. Bringing in Puck and Tinker would be a refreshing change.

[Passthechips]

We need more good pushers, we have enough solo'ers honestly. Necro'lic has my vote.

Also people are voting for tinkers not thinking about the meta game but just thinking that maybe this will help bring that horrible hero to HoN. I would completely discount votes to that hero.

[Boduar]

Hellbringer beats zeus ... the only 2 that counter hellbringer mid that I can think of are succy at lvl 6+, and maybe BH. Zeus can lightning spam all he wants but hellbringers heal is much much more efficient and he has his own harass move that does decent dmg.

Edit: was debating putting arachna as hellbringer counter and might as well mention it either way (harden carapace > dot).

[Zakri]

Tinker/Visage Indeed .

[AndrewReily]

Tinker, Storm and Puck. We need more good solo'ers (Tinker/Puck) and more intelligence carries (Storm).

Zeus dominates HoN metagame right now in terms of solo'ing, I mean Necro, Bane, Lich and Madman are fairly good at solo'ing but Zeus, IMO, still is unquestionably the best. Bringing in Puck and Tinker would be a refreshing change.

Really?
How come he isn't picked more often out of pubs then o.O

[Andrizzle]

Scout > Zeus.

[AndrewReily]

Scout > Zeus.

White Andrew > Azn Andrew

:D

[G`Funk]

tinker, seer, puck, storm and personal preference : batrider.

can post stuff from my closed port thread as on why :

Tinker

the little goblin with the laser and robo arms. often picked, sometimes banned. a hero that makes the best use of all the active items and map omnipresence once he has his BoTs. a strong laner, a stonger pusher&farmer and depending on the game even capable of semicarrying (mantatinker is a monster . pub? your team sucks? go tinker!). allround good hero with a unique playstyle and itembuild. good early,mid and late without beeing imbalanced in any way. also he alone can totally change the metagame of any game which makes games more exciting to watch.

seer

a great situational pick with great synergy, very fun playstyle and one of the very few offensive positioning skills in the game. an amazing ganker and supporter which starts beeing dangerous at lvl 3,and never stops beeing that.

unlike the others i would like to see a slight rework tho. his ultimate, the wall of replica , imho doesnt fit his theme or role in ANY way. there is no synergy or any connection with his other skills. i dont want to talk about its strength or usefulness in any way. i just think its a random skill that was put without thought on him.

if not atleast a slight number change should be done since the recent nerf hit him hard. he went from rarely banned to rarely picked in this version which was uncalled for.


batrider

i know some people might disagree on this. but for me batrider is one of the best heroes in the last versions.

his skillset and playstyle is totally unique and has maybe the best synergy in the whole game. huge,early-mid game. one of the best gankers in the game, great farmer and huge aoe dmg. and most of all super super fun to play. nothing beats getting 2 double kills in the first 5 minutes cause the enemy doesnt know the power of firefly+napalm or laying trails of hurt over the complete battlefield while you drag their carry in your team.

huge fun, innovative style , perfect synergy and a nice situational pick in top level games.



puck is a nobrainer really. and since my thread was limited to 5 heroes dont hve anything about storm but yeah, hes fun,great and strong.

[china]

Enchantress - Ophelia counter, great heal and strong single target damage. Strong slow as well, and virtual immunity to melee damage sources.

Puck - Just an awesome hero, with lots of mobility and a splendid AoE Silence and AoE soft CC, paired with force staff its a 'force' to be reckoned with.

Tinker - Early/Mid domination, followed by potential int carrying ability. Great lane control/pushing power, due to BoT and refresh, granting him the greatest mobility in the game.

[Mr_Furious]

pugna

[`Cherry`]

i voted: Puck/Tinker/Furion/Storm Spirit/Wind Runner/Obsidian Destroyer.

I've never played batrider so i cannot tell if he's a good competetive hero or not =3

[Piava]

Tinker and Visage both carries in their own wierd way. OD is a hard carry, no doubt.

Voted Puck, Tinker, DS and OD. Puck because his skillset was awesome, Tinker because Tinker with blink was fun, DS because he combos with tons of heroes and OD just because I wanna be like ymt.

[JIDIz]

Tinker, Storm, Puck + Invoker.

[Paradigm_]

TINKER!

[_Archangel_]

I'm curious as to what people think some of the heros that need to be ported in for competitive play in HoN. We all know that S2 works hard to create new heroes, but let's give them a priority list, shall we? I've allowed multiple selections during the time you vote, so please vote only for the ones you think are needed most. Try not to vote for too many, as that will not help the poll.


INTELLIGENCE

Aiushtha - Enchantress (Semi-Carry/DPS/Chaser)

Puck - Faerie Dragon (Ganker/Support)

Ezalor - Keeper of the Light (Support/Pusher/Lane Bastard)

Furion - Prophet (Ganker/Pusher/DPS)

Raijin Thunderkeg - Storm Spirit (Semi-Carry/Ganker/DPS/Harasser/Disabler)

Alleria - Windrunner (Ganker/Disabler/DPS)

Jin'Zakk - Batrider (Disabler/Ganker)

Squee Spleen and Spoon - Goblin Techies (Trapper)

Kael - Invoker (Completely Versatile)

Visage - Necro'lic (Pusher)

Boush - Tinker (Nuker/Ganker/Pusher)

Jakiro - Twin Headed Dragon (Pusher/Teamfighter)

Ish'Kafel - Dark Seer (Ganker/Chaser)

Pugna - Oblivion (Pusher)

Harbringer - Obsidian Destroyer (Semi-Carry/DPS)

These guys aren't really seen in competitive play... so they're not really needed

[Chipper]

Enc was a fp / ban around the time I stopped playing dota

[Galam]

Bat rider picked or banned often too.

[weeD`SuFFo]

Enc was a fp / ban around the time I stopped playing dota

She was never ever picked again after the huge nerf tho..

[Cash]

These guys aren't really seen in competitive play... so they're not really needed

The ones you marked white, or the once you marked red? >.<

[NarAyaN`]

The ones you marked white, or the once you marked red? >.<

I think he means the ones in red but... imo Angel doesn't agree about Storm Panda =)

[Darkshine1]

Puck - Faerie Dragon
Raijin Thunderkeg - Storm Spirit
Boush - Tinker
Ish'Kafel - Dark Seer

These are the most important intelligence heroes on that list with regards to the current DotA metagame.

[AtroCty]

Harbinger is used in Competive. And I freaking want my Tinker :(

[JIDIz]

TINKER!

ban pls. port tinker cus im BAHAOS with him.

[JIDIz]

These guys aren't really seen in competitive play... so they're not really needed

EDIT : hihi, ban dis dilio. Tinker cus im BAHAOS with him.

[JIDIz]

away from keyboard.

[emiltheboy]

harbringer

[YummyCheese]

Puck - YES.
Enchantress - Not really needed. We already have Chen and Enchant doesn't bring too much interesting to the table. Maybe add her ultimate in some form or another, but on another hero.
KotL - YES. Great hero, great concept. Yes.
Prophet: In some form, yes a good idea. Just his teleport skill, but make the hero more gank orientated.
SS: SO MUCH YES.
WR - A great hero design. Yes.
Batrider - Another great design. Yes.
Techies - No
Invoker - No, not really needed. Some of his skills on other heroes, maybe. Imma thinking Sunstrike is a needed skill on a hero - doesnt' have to be Invoker.
Visage: Somewhat a boring hero. Yes, he was viable for a long time (not so much anymore) but he's not INTERESTING.
Tinker: YES AGAIN.
Jakiro: NO need. rather boring skills.
Dark Seer: Questionable. A great competitive pick right now, but none of his skills stand out as being exceptionably cool. A good overall design, so yes, but takes second priority to other 'YES' heroes.
Pugna: No need, really. We already have a form of Nether Ward, and the rest of his skills are not all that interesting.
Obsidian: Meh. Boring hero. Right click hero.

[Freshpro]

pleaseee twinhead dragon, my fav int hero : (

[china]

Puck - YES.
Enchantress - Not really needed. We already have Chen and Enchant doesn't bring too much interesting to the table. Maybe add her ultimate in some form or another, but on another hero.
KotL - YES. Great hero, great concept. Yes.
Prophet: In some form, yes a good idea. Just his teleport skill, but make the hero more gank orientated.
SS: SO MUCH YES.
WR - A great hero design. Yes.
Batrider - Another great design. Yes.
Techies - No
Invoker - No, not really needed. Some of his skills on other heroes, maybe. Imma thinking Sunstrike is a needed skill on a hero - doesnt' have to be Invoker.
Visage: Somewhat a boring hero. Yes, he was viable for a long time (not so much anymore) but he's not INTERESTING.
Tinker: YES AGAIN.
Jakiro: NO need. rather boring skills.
Dark Seer: Questionable. A great competitive pick right now, but none of his skills stand out as being exceptionably cool. A good overall design, so yes, but takes second priority to other 'YES' heroes.
Pugna: No need, really. We already have a form of Nether Ward, and the rest of his skills are not all that interesting.
Obsidian: Meh. Boring hero. Right click hero.


I've never disagreed with someone more.

[YummyCheese]

What specifically? I guess Invoker is probably not that a bad idea, but other than that what do you disagree with?

[china]

Jakiro/Dark Seer/Pugna/Enchantress are all needed IMO.

Jakiro because he is/was competitively viable, his line freeze was fantastic.
Dark Seer because positioning and disrupting position are his greatest assets, and the greatest fundamentals of the game.
Pugna, though he has an odd skillset, adds much to teams in terms of AoE and support. I've seen fantastic pugna players too.
Enchantress because of her utility against Chen, as well as her overall skillset.

It's mostly opinion, so I doubt it'd sway you much when weighed with your opinion :] To each his own.

[YummyCheese]

Yeah, mostly opinion :)
I'm more worried about interesting heroes, you seem more concerned about competitively viable-ness. I admit the Nether Blast/Decripify combo is very cool well pulled off well and I've seen players do some amazing things with Decripify.
Jakiro was really meh. He didn't have any interesting skills. I guess his line freeze as you said, but no need to implement the whole hero (who is somewhat boring overall).
Enchantress: Just to counter Chen? I'd rather they introduce ANOTHER UNIQUE jungler. All her other skills (excluding Impetus, as I said) are boring and/or used by other heroes.
Dark Seer I admitted was good, but takes second place to cooler heroes (I know he's a very powerful pick right now in comp games but hero-design he's meh).

But as you said, opinion. ****. Why am I arguing with you? Disregard this post.

[BP_Oil]

Every one of those heros (bars invoker and techies) were at some point used actively in competitive. That doesn't mean however that they are viable for the current hon metagame.

Most needed at the moment? Tinker and Puck.

[_Archangel_]

Every one of those heros (bars invoker and techies) were at some point used actively in competitive. That doesn't mean however that they are viable for the current hon metagame.

Most needed at the moment? Tinker and Puck.

Even Invoker's been used a couple of times bro. Techies on the other hand... :cool:

[siknoz]

These guys aren't really seen in competitive play... so they're not really needed

While I mostly agree with your statement I would just like to add...

Voting for a specific hero or having specific heroes ported over is actually rather scary and I will tell you why. The developers have done a terrific job in porting heroes over, giving them a makeover, revamping them a little in some cases, and totally reworking in others.

For example, Pharaoh, imho, is NOT clockwork. However he is a direct port, possibly a smaller cage to lock heroes in ^o^, but basically the same. However Pharaoh for some reason seems to be a very strong pick(see: bkid pharoah mid) so far in HoN.

On the flipside, I think that Moon Queen and Valkyrie are both weaker than Luna and PotM and not picked as often. For people who like to argue, yes I know both are good, and both have been picked, I'm saying that there are definite differences between them.

So I would say Puck, Enchantress, Dark Seer, Obsidian would all be awesome to see ported over and would all see their fair share of picks in competition. The question would be can S2 deliver them in a way that they can remain competitive picks.

I suppose this would also raise the question of wether the reason certain heroes are viable at one point or another is when there is a shift in the meta-game. At first any team with tempest-behemoth-magmus was pretty much a guaranteed win. Now that is not the case...as was seen in the HL finals.

Only one word to describe all of this....interesting ^o^

[china]

But as you said, opinion. ****. Why am I arguing with you? Disregard this post.

Haha, that's me, the non-confrontationalist.

Puck though. Fun and competitive at the same time.

[Jedybear]

These guys aren't really seen in competitive play... so they're not really needed

this.

and i love how OP didn't include chen since he is one of the top picks in competitive play.

micro-hate much?

[sneakysob]

These guys aren't really seen in competitive play... so they're not really needed

I've seen MyM, SK, and other of the best teams use a lot of those.

Mainly Twin Headed Dragaon, Techies, Ezalor, Invoker. & storm spirit ...

Edit: That aside, I voted for Tinker. ^^

Edit2: Can't believe I didnt notice Storm Spirit. Can't believe you think he's bad either.

[sneakysob]

this.

and i love how OP didn't include chen since he is one of the top picks in competitive play.

micro-hate much?

Ophelia is Chen ...

[LaoLao]

i voted boush, puck and jakiro.

tinker and puck are definitely competitive choices and jakiro is hands down my favorite int hero in dota, he works well with an aoe team <3 him

[Reinz]

this game SOOOO needs tinker. one of the best, imo the best pusher in the game with BoT and refresh spam.

[volcan33]

Invoker ftw o/

[Ghork]

the day techies come to hon is the day i stop playing it. He just removes all fun, if you have a halfway decent team you'll almost be guarantied victory against him, but the playing will just be dragged out to a 2 hour game of insane boredom.

worse yet, god forbid you'd get a tekkies on your own team

[SinsofSanity]

Puck, Dark Seer, Tinker.

If I had to choose one, it'd have to be DS, even if Puck is way more fun. The possibilities of Vacuum is way too large to disregard and he's an awesome hero in competitive play.

[Kietharr]

Puck, Jakiro, Tinker, Pugna are definitely yes. Enchantress, Visage, Techies, Invoker, and storm panda were pretty useful too. Prophet could also be useful for early push strats though honestly he never saw too much use in high level.

I like OD too but he's a right click hero, we already have a dozen of those.

[Xasz]

Tinker. Wouldn't mind Dark Seer or Puck, though.

[Wulfer]

Enchant

but keeper's Frist =w=

[PWNnanOBrien]

Smart people know that Pugna is for destroying the opposition. Not merely pushing.

PLEASE port him.

[Vibah]

DS and Tinker.

[WuHT]

how come it's so hard to want an amalgam of certain int heroes (balanced to reason of course) as opposed to taking direct ports ?

[Roevhatt]

Puck! he was the most fun hero in dota tbh

[Fantasticles]

Resurrecting a solid thread, hope no one minds!

[n00binator1]

Techies? Are you kidding me? He's in no way, shape or form a competitive hero and he has more votes than some heroes, that are actually picked in comp play.

[ebt_crany]

pugna: very strong counter with his ward, it s needed i think

Puck: very strong clash starter, good ganger.

Tinker: Best mid ganger and very nice pusher with bots

Jakiro: because i like him, that s all :-P

[Flv`]

Puck, tinker, stormspirit and visage. Hon metagame needs less R warriors and more micro/lane controllers.

[Arnald1]

Tinker got his share in competitive so he would be awesome in HoN (I think)
but I really really love to se SS

[DrHopsALot]

this.

and i love how OP didn't include chen since he is one of the top picks in competitive play.

micro-hate much?

Chen is Ophelyia.

[Zakharov]

Aiushtha - Enchantress (Semi-Carry/DPS/Chaser)
Maybe. She overlaps a bit with Ophelia, but brings some interesting skills to the game.

Puck - Faerie Dragon (Ganker/Support)
Absolutely. The game needs more fragile, skill-intensive ganker/initiator heroes.

Ezalor - Keeper of the Light (Support/Pusher/Lane Bastard)
No. Too similar to Nymphora.

Furion - Prophet (Ganker/Pusher/DPS)
I'd like to see a slightly less carry-oriented Furion with a different ultimate.

Raijin Thunderkeg - Storm Spirit (Semi-Carry/Ganker/DPS/Harasser/Disabler)
Absolutely. Storm brings something unique and very fun to the game.

Alleria - Windrunner (Ganker/Disabler/DPS)
No. Shackleshot is cool, but I don't think the hero as a whole is very well designed.

Jin'Zakk - Batrider (Disabler/Ganker)
Yes. We need more gankers.

Squee Spleen and Spoon - Goblin Techies (Trapper)
Doesn't add anything to competitive play.

Kael - Invoker (Completely Versatile)
Yes. A very fun and skill-intensive hero.

Visage - Necro'lic (Pusher)
"Turtler" would be a more appropriate category. The game does not need another turtler.

Boush - Tinker (Nuker/Ganker/Pusher)
Yes, for reasons others have mentioned.

Jakiro - Twin Headed Dragon (Pusher/Teamfighter)
The game needs more babysitters.

Ish'Kafel - Dark Seer (Ganker/Chaser)
The game also needs more gankers.

Pugna - Oblivion (Pusher)
With Magebane taking his most interesting skill, I don't think he's really necessary.

Harbringer - Obsidian Destroyer (Semi-Carry/DPS)
No. The game doesn't need another hard carry.

[TDA101]

Windrunner/Tinker/Puck/Furion.

Win!

Visage - Necro'lic (Pusher)
"Turtler" would be a more appropriate category. The game does not need another turtler.

New Visage is not a turtler. More of a Carry/Ganker

[NEJSKRUBBA]

furion

[cripling123]

Storm, Tinker and Puck

[Von_Moltke]

Tinker, Puck, Storm, Furion.

[Zakharov]

Windrunner/Tinker/Puck/Furion.

Win!

Visage - Necro'lic (Pusher)
"Turtler" would be a more appropriate category. The game does not need another turtler.

New Visage is not a turtler. More of a Carry/Ganker

Oh, you're right. I haven't played DotA since they changed him. He seems like quite a neat hero in his current form.

[Urizen]

Tinker - int ganker/nuker
Furion - int ganker/psudo disable/pusher
Pugna - int anti aoe

[awayish`]

puck, tinker, ss, dark seer are all needed, especially the first 3. these are all fast paced heroes with high mobility, would make for more variety in the pace of the game.

[Fearz]

Invokerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[NitroS]

port puck it is

[Vodka]

I really hope S2 is still looking at these threads or at least has them on the back burner.

[Kietharr]

Aiushtha - Enchantress (Semi-Carry/DPS/Chaser)
Maybe. She overlaps a bit with Ophelia, but brings some interesting skills to the game.

Puck - Faerie Dragon (Ganker/Support)
Absolutely. The game needs more fragile, skill-intensive ganker/initiator heroes.

Ezalor - Keeper of the Light (Support/Pusher/Lane Bastard)
No. Too similar to Nymphora.

Furion - Prophet (Ganker/Pusher/DPS)
I'd like to see a slightly less carry-oriented Furion with a different ultimate.

Raijin Thunderkeg - Storm Spirit (Semi-Carry/Ganker/DPS/Harasser/Disabler)
Absolutely. Storm brings something unique and very fun to the game.

Alleria - Windrunner (Ganker/Disabler/DPS)
No. Shackleshot is cool, but I don't think the hero as a whole is very well designed.

Jin'Zakk - Batrider (Disabler/Ganker)
Yes. We need more gankers.

Squee Spleen and Spoon - Goblin Techies (Trapper)
Doesn't add anything to competitive play.

Kael - Invoker (Completely Versatile)
Yes. A very fun and skill-intensive hero.

Visage - Necro'lic (Pusher)
"Turtler" would be a more appropriate category. The game does not need another turtler.

Boush - Tinker (Nuker/Ganker/Pusher)
Yes, for reasons others have mentioned.

Jakiro - Twin Headed Dragon (Pusher/Teamfighter)
The game needs more babysitters.

Ish'Kafel - Dark Seer (Ganker/Chaser)
The game also needs more gankers.

Pugna - Oblivion (Pusher)
With Magebane taking his most interesting skill, I don't think he's really necessary.

Harbringer - Obsidian Destroyer (Semi-Carry/DPS)
No. The game doesn't need another hard carry.

This pretty much hits the nail on the head, except I definitely want to see Pugna ported. Replace ward with a push related skill, maybe some sort of reanimate. This game needs more hard pushing heroes.

Same deal with Furion, IMO replace Sprout with some sort of hard disable and maybe tweak ulti, his big issue was hatchet made sprout a piece of **** skill so while teleport/ult/summon trees gave him huge jungle/roaming abilities, map presence, and pushing power, he was pretty much a big creep when it came to teamfights.

I'd like to see KotL in some form as well, his hero design kinda sucks balls without chakra so maybe spread his skills out among new heroes, or give him something else that differentiates him from Nymphora. I'm not concerned with having heroes that are too similar, it makes completely ruling out a strategy with one or two strategic bans more difficult.