ticket unsuccessful. why?

[Cuba_libre]

Hi, a friend of mine got banned for 2 days like 3 months ago for placing 2 wards in the fountain. Thats why i assumed placing wards in the fountain was a bannable offense since it somewhat cheats ur stats and is manipulating stats.

yesterday i reported a guy that placed 4 wards at fountain for no reason more than increasing his ward count. The ticket was unsuccesful. I received an infraction point. I would like some kind of explanantion since all i got was an aoutamated response and no explanantion as to why the report was unsuccessfull.

[tiGa]

Examples of what is NOT considered Item/Courier Spamming


Spamming or wasting items if the outcome of the match is unquestionably inevitable



http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?396388-What-is-Griefing-Demystifying-the-Rules-of-Conduct-and-Common-Reporting-Mistakes

looks like that game was already over.

[Cuba_libre]

WOW really? is that it? I thought that using wards wasnt a bannable offense anymore. Match already over? we were 1 rax down.... I mean come on... no one ever spamms wards when theres a match that u are figthing for. Ive seen ppl banned for much much less than this, including me. If this is the actual reason i really have no hope left for this game / RAP and stuff. I still have hope a gm post and give me a reason thats sensible. If this is true then RAP is not objective whatsoever, i know at least 4 ppl banned by spamming wards ( i was never banned by spamming wards ) and ofc the ward spamming took place at the fountain when the raxes were pushed and stuff. In this case there was only 1 rax pushed... not megacreeps, not a 50 minute game..


Anyways ty tiga for answering. I look forward to an official answer as to why the report was unsuccessful.

[IPeonPeons]

Just to add on to what's been said, that rule was only changed about 2 weeks or so ago, prior to then yes it was bannable for warding the fountain at any point in the game. However, there are no guidelines as to what is considered to be the end of the game, so it's all subjectively decided by the GM handling the ticket.

(which I think is pretty silly)

[Cuba_libre]

lol this keeps getting better.

so they changed that 2 weeks ago and they didnt advertise it anywhere, not in the patchnotes or the news when u start the game. Nevertheless even with the new lame rule ( i agree with u, wards that are clearly used to increase ward count like this case, should be penalized no matter if the game is over ) the game WAS NOT OVER. Not even close. Theres a difference between a game being over and players giving up.



Spamming or wasting items if the outcome of the match is unquestionably inevitable


that simply wasnt true.

Also as u say there are no guidelines whatsoever of what is considered to be the end of the game, is totally subjective. I wouldnt want to think the RAP decisions are not objective since that wouldnt be fair for anyone. I still look forward for some official answer.

[Cuba_libre]

i really need an answer asap. I have another person i would like to report but i cant because if i get another infraction i cant report for 3 months ( which is really retarded ). So i would like this person who was clearly stat manipulating to get banned and i get the infraction removed or at least just remove the infraction since that lame new rule u implemented 2 weeks ago was never advertised and i do not enter the forums, neither shouldve to.

Thanks in advance.

[CallMeCold]

There is a whole thread here in the RAP forums about this same topic here (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?423095-Ticket-846794-Placing-wards-in-base-no-longer-counts-for-ban). When it comes down to it, the GM's basically decided that if they think the game is out of reach, the wards placed stat is not important enough to justify the punishments that other infractions would receive. I agree with you 100% that it is stupid and should be bannable regardless of the time in game because it is done purely out of spite for you team and serves only to ruin the experience for other players while rewarding the player in question.

[Cuba_libre]

1) The game wasnt over ( they had just destroyed 1 of our rax)


As of now, i actually dont even care wether the kid gets banned or not anymore. I dont even care about the 30 silver from the deposit. What i care is the infraction, its unacceptable that i got an infraction cuz the gm thought it was over or even if it was cuz they changed their RAP policies without making any communication with the ppl that plays the game. YES, ppl that plays the game and uses RAP =/= that ppl that enters the forum on a regular basis. I only enter the forum when i have a problem like this.

Now i have to wait 3 months to make another report without fearing an infraction ( which after this DUMB ruling i really do ), in a game that has more trolls and ragers than any other online game i have ever played.

I still feel strongly that this the match wasnt over and the kid should get banned. But since this RAP seems to be based on pure subjective rulings i guess a gm will come to this post and say " hey i think the match had already ended so,, the match had already ended ggwp ". What i pretend at the very least is the infraction to be removed.

Still waiting for some official response.

[Cuba_libre]

Also tyvm for all the replies from users.

[IPeonPeons]

Whelp, I saw a guy not get banned for putting wards in base when they still had all raxes/base towers and even one tower left outside the base just because there was a 14k gold/exp difference between the teams.

So goodluck, but the 'unquestionably inevitable' thing seems way too hazy to try and argue through.

[`Yori]

I think they secretly changed their policy on this offense during the past 3 months. Before it was an automatic ban/warning. Now it's an infraction on the reporters behalf. It's unfortunate but that's what happens with feanux in charge.

[Cuba_libre]

Whelp, I saw a guy not get banned for putting wards in base when they still had all raxes/base towers and even one tower left outside the base just because there was a 14k gold/exp difference between the teams.

So goodluck, but the 'unquestionably inevitable' thing seems way too hazy to try and argue through.


the thing is, when i report, i have no idea of which was the gold exp advantage so its stupid to get an infraction over something that i cant possibly determine.




I think they secretly changed their policy on this offense during the past 3 months. Before it was an automatic ban/warning. Now it's an infraction on the reporters behalf. It's unfortunate but that's what happens with feanux in charge.

Even with the new ( retarded ) policy, my point stands game wasnt over. Where are the gms ? they are answering posts newer than this. Can i get the infraction removed at the very least?

[tiGa]

the thing is, when i report, i have no idea of which was the gold exp advantage so its stupid to get an infraction over something that i cant possibly determine.

i think the plan is that everyone who is going to report someone will watch the replay before reporting. that's how you get exact times of the incident you are trying to report (thus making it easier on the GM to throw down the ban hammer on someone). if you watch the replay as a spectator, you can see the gold/exp difference (if i'm not mistaken...i haven't played hon since D3 came out haha)

[Cuba_libre]

i did and i provided the timestamps i just dont know how to view the xpm gold advantage in replay mode....

[tiGa]

i did and i provided the timestamps i just dont know how to view the xpm gold advantage in replay mode....

if you view as a spectator, you should be able to see it (on the top bar). there will be two numbers on both sides (hellbourne and legion). if the leagion is winning, it'll say something like +2000, +14000 by the gold/exp symbols on the legion side and say -2000,-14000 by the gold/exp symbols on the hellbourne side.

i hope that makes sense lol

[Cuba_libre]

200 views and no answer from a GM. So nice..... I have another kid to report but i dont want to get a second infraction. The kid not only feeds nonstop goes 50 gpm but also places a ward in the fountain when we dont have any wards on the map and 3 in our team are actively trying to win the game ( im trying to get the mock on wildsoul really fast)...

If anyone can and wants to give me his opinion id apreciate it.
Game id : 91420033

15 min mark ( ingame time not replay time.)

[Kohun]

I wouldnt report him for intentional feeding he seemed like a bad player who got ganked alot

for ward spamming it could be argued that the match was over since they had a 14 kill lead with all your third tier towers down and they still having all their towers up, but it could also be argued its not over since your team did not give up, "a" ward doesn't effect the outcome of the game really and I don't think placing that ward anywhere else would have helped your team win

[tiGa]

this is the reason your original report was unsuccessful.

http://i.imgur.com/FTjw9.png
this was exactly after rampage started placing wards in the fountain (he only had 2/4 wards down). the game was 100% over. they had a 29k gold lead and a 30k exp lead PLUS you only had base towers when they had ALL of their towers.

and i agree with kohan149 about the second match that you posted about. it would probably not work because of the 15 kill lead that they had (plus 9k gold and exp lead).

it took me less than 10 mins to download/watch both replays and make that screen shot that i posted. if you'd simply watched the replays, you would have seen the gold/exp difference and known for a fact that the game was decided and there was no need to report someone.

[eFekt]

So by your LOGIC and as seems S2 logic, when the game is over like that one with huge difference i can do whatever i want ? Is that a correct time to intentionally feed ? to send them curr ? To avoid AFK, just becouse it is over ? If placing USELESS wards at the end of a game to increase ward placed stats is not reportable then i guess feeding is ok too huh ?

[FattyDude]

I just had the same not 3 hours ago, I reported a guy for placing 4 wards in our fountain and the ticket got refused.

The game was clearly over by then (5on2 in our advantage, enemy base crushed) but still, this is imho the absolutely wrong way.....

[tiGa]

So by your LOGIC and as seems S2 logic, when the game is over like that one with huge difference i can do whatever i want ? Is that a correct time to intentionally feed ? to send them curr ? To avoid AFK, just becouse it is over ? If placing USELESS wards at the end of a game to increase ward placed stats is not reportable then i guess feeding is ok too huh ?

intentionally feeding damages your own stats so it seems dumb to offer that up as something you'd like to do but i'd assume it would be fine. sending the courier affects your allies so that would probably still be reportable (just like feeding an allied hero when someone disconnects would be reportable). i'm not sure you would have to "avoid" afk if the game is over and you can't be reported for just going afk so that would probably be fine (depending on the length of time you are afk).

placing wards after the game is over is such a trivial thing. i'm not sure why people are this angry about it. someone else placed a few useless wards. you really want to go out of your way to try to report someone for that? i could understand it if they'd purchased all of the wards the entire game and put them in the fountain but this seems a bit ridiculous.

side note : the "end of the game" is determined by the GM that reviews the ticket, NOT by the player. ex: if your team loses a team fight but you're still winning in terms of gold/exp/towers/etc, the game isn't over. if you chose to be a tool at that time because you deem the game to be lost, you'll probably be found guilty.

[IPeonPeons]

side note : the "end of the game" is determined by the GM that reviews the ticket, NOT by the player. ex: if your team loses a team fight but you're still winning in terms of gold/exp/towers/etc, the game isn't over. if you chose to be a tool at that time because you deem the game to be lost, you'll probably be found guilty.
The end of he game is also not decided by the team who is actively downvoting concedes and trying their best to win the game while the person who wants to concede is in base placing wards. As long as there is a great enough exp/gold disparity between the teams you can spam as many wards in base as you want. :) I managed to get a 9 wards placed per game on my sub account, the silver gain is pretty good.