View Full Version : [Discussion] Unfair Kicking. ¿something for discussion?
Shambles
05-20-2012, 01:43 AM
Ok im sure this doesnt happen quite often and im sure some of you will just say im QQing but w.e. i just want to be heard.
So i was playing with parasite tmm, and my whole team but me are brazilian friends or something, and ok two of them are just learning
im pretty good with para so by half the game i already had codex and managed to get like 8 kills. we are rushing trough mid and then comes one of
my team mates, "para you are a good player but don't go ksing people", so im like ok... and i got to admit i ksd him once because i thought he was
gonna let they other guy go, so he's rampage and he charges to the base, he hits the guy but the other team is like all alive, and with codex lvl 5
im like ok easy kill. i kill him, he has like half of his life left, int hero i think. and then they go: ohh no you are ksing and vote to kick me and since my
team are all friends they vote yes and the other team was being beat by me because they picked all heroes with little hp and i pretty much insta kill them they also vote yes
i dont think im ksing if someone is at half life... just wanna listen to some opinions
`Yori
05-20-2012, 02:18 AM
causes too much work for the GMs
queue with friends, or just be nice to people and you won't get kicked
Strangejuice
05-20-2012, 03:17 AM
OK my first thoughts here are people need to stop making posts just after they lose a game/get kicked, in this case your rage typing made a few parts of your story unclear eg. "so he's rampage and he charges to the base," (rampage cannot charge to a direct location only to an enemy unit). Secondly when you play a hero like Parasite with very high burst damage and then build him with even more burst damage you always run the risk of appearing to kill steal whether it is intentional or not, especially when another of your team initiates and is in the immediate area of a target. Now at the same time your team mate was a Rampage and if theres one thing I've learnt about Rampage after 1000+ games it's Ramp pickers are either terrible human beings that play him and think they're the best because he's the easiest hero in the game, or terrible Hon players that pick him because he's the easiest hero in the game.
Anywho as far as your Parasite goes try to spend early to mid game assassinating with 1v1 fights (after level 6 of course) and in any other situation you need to judge whats best for your team and not for your kdr. Parasite is no hard carry (yes he can carry to an early win but after 50+ minutes its going to start looking bleak).
Also I find placing a bunch of wards with any support hero puts your kick threat down maybe try that...
vy`Ze
05-25-2012, 07:43 AM
OP has a point.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?423657-Got-kicked-for-farming
CallMeCold
05-31-2012, 12:54 AM
OP has a point.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?423657-Got-kicked-for-farming
This is not relevant to this thread and OP has no point. Whatsoever. You got a crappy team on that one and playing 3v3 solo is just silly. OP seems to have actually taken steps to anger his team and thus there could be grounds for the kick.
For Shambles it is unfortunate that you were kicked for what I think we can safely call a ks but tbh you could have just gone in first instead of waiting to kill the squishes after ramp has already attacked. I'm not saying kicking you was a good idea, but there is certanly nothing bannable about removing players who are ruining the game for you and you were certainly not doing anything that would be bannable under the RAP system. It sounds to me like you spent a large part of the game waiting for easy kills and they were sick of you waiting until you were sure you'd get the kill instead of contributing to the fight before the end. If this is not the case you should certainly defend yourself but as far as you've told us there is absolutely nothing that would make me think that the system is being abused to degrade your HoN experience.
Komei
05-31-2012, 08:04 PM
I talk back to people that grief me. Result is I get kicked a lot. I report them for kicking me because it is griefing according to S2. But according to the RAP system, it is not alllowed to report it. So I now can't report people.
Griefers double succesful. They would laugh so so so hard if they saw this. They lost me the game, got me mad, made my kd worse, lowered my mmr, ruined my gold, and I also can't report.
Griefers win. Be sure you are the griefer, not the victim. Trick people into kicking teammembers. Play them well so they don't kick you. It's really easy to manipulate people if you want to.
If you have the feeling people are going to kick you, leave right away. If you are playing with 4 friends, leave right away. It is so common, it is not worth your time. Especially if you play good, they will kick you.
Also you better destroy your items just before you are kicked, or they are rewarded even more.
I talk back to people that grief me. Result is I get kicked a lot. I report them for kicking me because it is griefing according to S2. But according to the RAP system, it is not alllowed to report it. So I now can't report people.
where exactly do you see that S2 says kicking is griefing? all i see is :
Q: I was unfairly vote-kicked. Is this against the rules?
No. Vote-kicking, for any reason, is not against the Rules of Conduct. Players that are unanimously vote-kicked will still gain or lose MMR normally for the match and will not receive a leave on their statistics. The vote-kick feature is essential to allow players the opportunity to remove unwanted players. It is currently S2's policy that we do not interfere with the wishes of all nine players when it comes to the removal of the tenth, regardless of the reasoning or motivation.
directly from the FAQ (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?394589-RAP-Feedback-Forum-Rules-and-FAQ-lt-YOU-MUST-READ-THIS-BEFORE-POSTING)
Also you better destroy your items just before you are kicked, or they are rewarded even more.
that is 100% reportable and will result in a warning/ban. why are you encouraging people to grief?
Komei
06-01-2012, 06:10 AM
What? If they want to kick you to steal your items, and there is just one vote to go and all your team passes, how is it griefing? It tries to prevent grief and is the only reasonable thing to do.
One used to be able to report unjust kicks. So I don't know what you are talking about.
Kohun
06-01-2012, 03:31 PM
What? If they want to kick you to steal your items, and there is just one vote to go and all your team passes, how is it griefing? It tries to prevent grief and is the only reasonable thing to do.
One used to be able to report unjust kicks. So I don't know what you are talking about.
taken from the FAQ
Examples of Item Destruction
Intentionally dropping any useful item and destroying it
Selling items immediately before disconnecting or being kicked with the intent to deny your remaining allies the use of those items
also just because your team is griefing you does not give you the right to grief back
taken from the rap feedback/forum rules
Q: Why was I was found guilty in a match where another player griefed me first?
Retributive griefing is not an exception to the Rules of Conduct. Another player griefing you does not give you the right to grief back. We recommend that you ignore the player as best you can and report him/her after the match.
nidmorrskill
06-01-2012, 09:00 PM
I don't get why people still cry about getting kicked , as long as you're not getting kicked for afk then the game still counts + if your team thinks you're actually contributing to the game and helping them you're not getting kicked otherwise consider it as a sign that maybe you should be doing more to help. Also seeing as you rushed the forums and went to the RAP section shows that you're actually pretty mad. Anyway , bottom line is getting kicked doesn't really hurt you that much ( if anything it actually spares you from sitting through some games while still getting the credit for them ) and complaining on the RAP section doesn't really help either
Komei
06-02-2012, 05:34 PM
If you are snowballing like crazy and they don't have any damage items to get kills, the will lick you.
Also, if they want your items and they think the game is won without you, what is to stop them from taking your items? No reason not to do it.
Preventing your items from getting stolen is not retributive griefing. It is protecting your possessions. If they were your team's items, they could pick them off from your inventory.
If you are snowballing like crazy and they don't have any damage items to get kills, the will lick you.
Also, if they want your items and they think the game is won without you, what is to stop them from taking your items? No reason not to do it.
Preventing your items from getting stolen is not retributive griefing. It is protecting your possessions. If they were your team's items, they could pick them off from your inventory.
people like you are what's wrong with the community. i hope that i find a game with you and you chose to destroy your items to prevent us from kicking you and taking them. i would love to get the email about you being found guilty.
ExerCrest
06-02-2012, 11:08 PM
My only real gripe is when I get the unfair 9v1 kick. I want to also retain the experience obtained ( just exp no win coins). When my team happens to win?
Komei
06-07-2012, 08:07 AM
people like you are what's wrong with the community. i hope that i find a game with you and you chose to destroy your items to prevent us from kicking you and taking them. i would love to get the email about you being found guilty.
People like you is what is wrong with the community. I like to play this game because it is a teamgame and I want to do the teamwork. People like you go into this game with a 1vs1 attitude, like it is all about you, and rather grief their teammates than win when it's not them doing the raping.
If you are really a bane to your own team the enemy won't pass the kick. You will only get kicked when it helps the enemy win. So every non afk kick is people kicking you to get you mad. These people either don't care about winning or they realize they lost already but want to kick you first, then cc.
When you have a feeder and you are better off playing 4vs5, the enemy won't pass obv.
These people should get a double penalty to their mmr. Let them rot in the 1200 where they belong.
People like you is what is wrong with the community. I like to play this game because it is a teamgame and I want to do the teamwork. People like you go into this game with a 1vs1 attitude, like it is all about you, and rather grief their teammates than win when it's not them doing the raping.
you say you want to play HoN because its a team game yet you're willing to destroy your items (which would help your teammates)? seems kind of contradictory.
also, i don't really play this game anymore (not since diablo 3 came out) so i'm certainly not what's wrong with HoN. when i did play, i was a support player. obviously support players are focused only on themselves and don't make any other contributions to the team. you're making wild and inaccurate assumptions because you're getting defensive.
if i'm in a game and the other team wants to kick one of their allies, i'll pass it. maybe that player is being a troll and they just don't want to play with him anymore. who am i to deny them the right to a fun game? it doesn't matter if you get kicked because your leaver % doesn't change and you will still gain mmr if they win. why do you care if your team wants to let you go play another game while they finish that one up?
This thread has been well and truly derailed at this point, so I'm going to close it.
Regarding vote kick: No, it's not reportable. Please read the stickies at the top of this forum for more information.