Why Stalin and not Hitler Serious Problem!

[Hotler]

Hello there fellow newerthians!
My name is Hotler and i have come here today to talk about a very serious problem.
For a couple of weeks ago I came in contact with an account with a custom picture of Joseph Stalin.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wxdgAiRcjHg/TmGF3cAnttI/AAAAAAAAGEM/fYvHGh8e2b8/s1600/stalinDM2109_468x551.jpg

This picture made me thinking.
How can an honest and seriuos company as S2 really tolerate that a picture of the man who led one of the biggest genocide in all of human history being shown by their costumers?
This is a man who has ended over five million human lives. And some people argue that it is all the way up to 70 million.
Is this a man who S2 as a company wants to get associated with?

I hoped that they would not. So I made a little experiment.
I Created this free 2 play account and I named it Hotler.
And so i started playing.
After 29 hours of playing, and a 4x coin weekend i finally reached my goal of 1000 silver coins.
I bought the custom icon for the money I had earned. And as a picuture i chose this one;
http://biography4u.com/image-files/young%20Hitler.jpg

I played a few games with my new icon, just to show it for the community. I left my computer for a couple of hours, and when i returned the Icon was gone.
I was refounded with a new costum icon. I sent in the same picture against the warning that my new icon was going to be look trhough before being accepted due to my earlier break of the "terms of agreements".
I never got my icon.
And this was a GOOD thing. I was glad that S2 didn't accept that I was having a picuter of Adolf Hitler. A man who also have commited one of the biggest genocides in human history.

I can see that my icon could have been erased for racialist reasons. And that Stalin is not racilist reason enough to remove that icon.
But as far as Im concered, so is both of these pictures unethical and my personal opinion is that none of them should not be tolerated!
Therefore I would like to propose that all the pictures of Stalin was removed from the game. (Yes I have seen several). And that's a good thing. Both for S2 as a company and against the people in the community that is discriminated by this picure.

I love this game. But things like this makes me doubt at it and S2 as a company.
Please change that thought before it grows.

[facedown]

Stop crying and report the offending icon.

[Foerdifuxx]

did u report the players for the stated reasons?



Finally one who knows to structure his post! Well done!

[Laamendaja]

Stop crying and report the offending icon.

this

[dkiearth0]

my opinion...personally i wouldn't care if someone had a custom icon of Hitler or Stalin, cause its just part of our history as human race...pretty much everyone knows what they did...so i don't find them offensive...people that they found them offensive actually or they are ignorant or they take small things to serious...by just having a picture don't mean absolute anything, people just need reason to compalin and kill their time. now why Stalin and not Hitler...my guess is that the majority of the people don't know the story behind Stalin...they know only the basics like Hitler, plus his figure is more recognizable than Stalin...and few countries, like USA, they kinda learn quite wrong/different the history from how actually happen or how is teached in Europe where the events actually happen. so its kinda normal to regognize only Hitler and not Stalin

[Hotler]

did u report the players for the stated reasons?

I want to remember that I tried. But without succes.
And by that time I saw other accounts have the same icon, so i decided to do it this way instead.

Even if the report would have worked. There would still be accounts with this icon.
Because if the community or S2 don't know about this problem, the group with Stalin icons will increase. And I alone can't report them all.

[Hotler]

my opinion...personally i wouldn't care if someone had a custom icon of Hitler or Stalin, cause its just part of our history as human race...pretty much everyone knows what they did...so i don't find them offensive...people that they found them offensive actually or they are ignorant or they take small things to serious...by just having a picture don't mean absolute anything, people just need reason to compalin and kill their time. now why Stalin and not Hitler...my guess is that the majority of the people don't know the story behind Stalin...they know only the basics like Hitler, plus his figure is more recognizable than Stalin...and few countries, like USA, they kinda learn quite wrong/different the history from how actually happen or how is teached in Europe where the events actually happen. so its kinda normal to regognize only Hitler and not Stalin

This is exaclty why we need to take this up!
Because if people don't know about this.
How are they suposed to fight against it?

[Shalaw]

from your point of view , HoN should Ban any Christian players, that religion killed/suppressed much more people over the last 20 or so centuries

[iSlapMelons]

"Serious problem" on the title made me giggle like a schoolgirl. :)

[ToxicMonkey]

from your point of view , HoN should Ban any Christian players, that religion killed/suppressed much more people over the last 20 or so centuries
People did, not religion. That said, religion has enabled and justified many evil acts.
But is also considered an inspirational source and force of good in many people's lives.

Christians today are not accountable for deeds committed by previous generations.
The same way you are not punished or held accountable for whatever your ancestors may have done. (probably some batshit crazy stuff, also)
The same reason we didn't simply erase Germany along with all Germans from the world map because of the atrocities committed during WW2 by Germans.

But maybe you already understand this, which brings the question: why raise a moot point?

my opinion...personally i wouldn't care if someone had a custom icon of Hitler or Stalin, cause its just part of our history as human race...pretty much everyone knows what they did...so i don't find them offensive...people that they found them offensive actually or they are ignorant or they take small things to serious...by just having a picture don't mean absolute anything, people just need reason to compalin and kill their time. now why Stalin and not Hitler...my guess is that the majority of the people don't know the story behind Stalin...they know only the basics like Hitler, plus his figure is more recognizable than Stalin...and few countries, like USA, they kinda learn quite wrong/different the history from how actually happen or how is teached in Europe where the events actually happen. so its kinda normal to regognize only Hitler and not Stalin
What do you mean "quite wrong" and "different history"?
We know for certain many of the atrocities done by Stalin and Hitler and much of what transpired during WW2, etc.

Anyway, when you use a symbol like a swastika or a portrait of a person who's a symbol person for an organization such as Nazism, it means you promote their ideals. It's for this reason that it's illegal in many countries to do the "heil" publicly, or to brandish a swastika publicly. Or to put up a picture of Hitler. This is public space, and it is not appropriate to post such symbolics anywhere but in history books or as information.
It should be obvious.

[Statsfodder]

America nuked a few million Japanese civilians.. American flag is offensive??

[T0x]

America nuked a few million Japanese civilians.. American flag is offensive??

I'd agree with that... let's not get into the atrocities committed by the American government/military.(especially the Bush administrations)
The list could go on for pages.

[MooFreaky]

Be easier to simply ban all pictures of political figures.
Every political figure has opponents, many of them quite staunchly opposed. People like Bush and Obama are going to be hated by others online because there are people from countries that America has effected.
Who is okay and who is not? Is Hitler not okay, but America's nuking of Japan fine? Is Stalin bad but Bush fine? There will always be people who disagree so rather than being here and there about it; either allow them all or say no political figures.

[Renegateor]

Be easier to simply ban all pictures of political figures.
Every political figure has opponents, many of them quite staunchly opposed. People like Bush and Obama are going to be hated by others online because there are people from countries that America has effected.
Who is okay and who is not? Is Hitler not okay, but America's nuking of Japan fine? Is Stalin bad but Bush fine? There will always be people who disagree so rather than being here and there about it; either allow them all or say no political figures.

+1 on this

It's all perspective, but seeing that s2 is an us company and i guess most of the mods/gms as well?....

[Sven2]

This isn't just a moral decision made by S2 or the volunteer moderators. It's actually illegal in some European countries to display Nazi-related symbols in certain contexts. The concrete rules are complicated, subject to interpretation and differ between countries. It makes perfect sense for a company doing international business to err on the safe side and just delete anything that could be connected to nazis.

That's especially true if people just select offending names to get attention. They aren't protecting others so much as they're protecting you from making an idiot out of yourself.

[Fairlight_Ex]

Hell isn't it a federal crime if you burn or tear the flag?

No, that is yet another garbage rumor started by the braindead foreigners who mindlessly bash my country.

[SmiLa]

I love stalin and hitler... you mad bro..?

[Sky`]

America nuked a few million Japanese civilians.. American flag is offensive??

No one in history has done what the Nazi's did in WW2. Its not the amount of people the Nazi's killed, is how they killed them. It was literally a calculated genocide, for each person killed they had everything accounted for, the teeth, hair, age, sex, and ect... There methods in killing was designed to be efficient, it really was as if they were exterminating pests. This is why Hitler and the Third Reich were so twisted, not because of the number. Other tyrants and wicked people have killed more then 6 million people (Stalin killed 20 million, but you don't hear about that)

[EVA_Unit_02]

No because s2 is american company, and most of them americans are brainwashed morons.

So imagine if s2 would really go with your suggestion and remove the us flag (tbh they ARE the biggest thread to world peace, but that's just my own opinion), the outcry would be outragous? Hell isn't it a federal crime if you burn or tear the flag?

Also what OP stated is correct. I'm sure 99% of the custom icons are somewhat offensive to anyone, for any reason and that's where the GM's come in play.

While i only ever met reasonable gms that take their job serious, i'm sure there are some that are like "OMG DAT OFFENSIVE GO AWAY PLZ!", but atleast they refund you!

And I'm sure i could upload a picture of MAO, the biggest mass murderer in history, and noone would give a crap.

That's a genocide folks.

[Renegateor]

No, that is yet another garbage rumor started by the braindead foreigners who mindlessly bash my country.

As a matter of fact it is not!(in the us) 10 seconds google search got this

The funny thing is, in my country it gets punished with up to 6 months and even burning foreign flags is illegal, interesting...

Also that's why i put a question mark (?) at the end of it, i was ASKING if it was illegal, since i only heard about it but wasn't sure.




That's a genocide folks.

Why? For asking a question, since i wasn't sure about it? Sry for asking then, np

[Losix]

Few million?

150 000 - 240 000 died cause of the bombs. (including aftermath, "only" 120 000 died from blasts)

Still a lot, but why would you exaggerate and say few million?

[krs]

Be easier to simply ban all pictures of political figures.
Every political figure has opponents, many of them quite staunchly opposed. People like Bush and Obama are going to be hated by others online because there are people from countries that America has effected.
Who is okay and who is not? Is Hitler not okay, but America's nuking of Japan fine? Is Stalin bad but Bush fine? There will always be people who disagree so rather than being here and there about it; either allow them all or say no political figures.

By your reasoning this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G4JLPHs5r4) should never exist because it as Hitler in it.

[Feuertraene]

Hi, I am German myself and therefore for obvious reasons not here to discuss war, death-count, Hitler-Stalin or anything else of the sort. I just want to explain, why it is - in my opinion - good to ban all pictures related to anything like that. For many people, of all nationalities, "Nazis" or "Hitler" are just a synonym for "evil". They don't know, have no idea, what the Nazis actually did, how coldbloodedly they murdered millions of people, made plans to eradicate all jews from this planet, to subjugate all other peoples and either kill them or keep them as slaves until they rule all of this world with arbitrariness and cruelty. If you lived in Germany - or even worse one of the conquered areas - during the reign of the Nazis, anyone who wasn't completely loyal to their ideals and principles, to their behaviour and hatred, had to live in a constant fear of being killed or enslaved and forced to work until they died.
So many people these days just understand the Nazi-Regime as "some bad guys back then" and use them as provocation, without understanding what it really means to live every single day in fear for their lives. It hurts me deeply to see people desecrate the heirloom of the millions of victims by trivializing the Nazis to simple murderers, or even heroes. The reason why I am not having a German flag as an account icon is not because I am not proud of my country - I am proud of the country the way it is today - but because I couldn't stand the many people (don't fool yourselves, many do that) calling me a Nazi or even worse, using catchphrases of the Nazis mindlessly.
We should never forget what terrible things humans are willing to do (If you think that applies to Germans only I recommend readingabout the Milgram experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment ), but if we remember it, we should remember it correctly in the terrible way it was, not as something to intimidate with.
I can imagine it feels similar for someone from the Commonwealth of Independent States, even worse, because the Stalin-time wasn't ever completely investigated, nor viewed upon objectively by the current and former Russian/Sovjet governments, as far as I know.
Greetings

[Renegateor]

By your reasoning this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G4JLPHs5r4) should never exist because it as Hitler in it.
That's a parody.


While i definitly consider myself left, and clearly distance myself from any kind of nazism, i feel like i must correct you there. I live 30 min from the birthplace of hitler and since the topic was one of my interests in highschool, i know my stuff.



Hi, I am German myself and therefore for obvious reasons not here to discuss war, death-count, Hitler-Stalin or anything else of the sort. I just want to explain, why it is - in my opinion - good to ban all pictures related to anything like that. For many people, of all nationalities, "Nazis" or "Hitler" are just a synonym for "evil".

Alright first of all, why would you ban pictures "like that" in general? . Every leader of a superpower that was actively engaged in war, has blood on his hands, and, by your reasoning, should be banned? Of course they were "evil", but only because they lost the war. If they would have won the war, they would be heroes. History is written by the victors. Good thing they did not though. I can't imagine whole europe speaking german!



They don't know, have no idea, what the Nazis actually did, how coldbloodedly they murdered millions of people, made plans to eradicate all jews from this planet, to subjugate all other peoples and either kill them or keep them as slaves until they rule all of this world with arbitrariness and cruelty.

Then the reason behind the hate of the nazi regime against the jews was hitlers thinkin of the arian race(he was insane so yea let's leave it at that). Secondly, they needed money. Who had the money? Jewish bankers. So they killed or deported them and took their posessions. They never ment to eradicate them from the planet, "only" rob them. When the nazis invaded denmark, they notified the goverment that they should deport all the jews, or else they get in a concentration camp. They even offered them money for each jew they deport, so that they have lesser work, of course.
And they even did the same to a degree in germany, i believe it was 500 reichsmark for a family? The jews were not allowed to go to israel though, anywhere else but there, so most of them didn't take the offer, undstandable though.



If you lived in Germany - or even worse one of the conquered areas - during the reign of the Nazis, anyone who wasn't completely loyal to their ideals and principles, to their behaviour and hatred, had to live in a constant fear of being killed or enslaved and forced to work until they died.




So many people these days just understand the Nazi-Regime as "some bad guys back then" and use them as provocation, without understanding what it really means to live every single day in fear for their lives.

Well it WAS 70 years ago, and we barely have any contemporary witnesses for ww2, so it no longer will count as contemporary history (per older definition, newer definition speaks of ww2 onward already). Also to be fair, i wouldn't want to live in the middle east right now, and if you follow the news (the none goverment run like fox) you begin to understand what it means.



It hurts me deeply to see people desecrate the heirloom of the millions of victims by trivializing the Nazis to simple murderers, or even heroes. The reason why I am not having a German flag as an account icon is not because I am not proud of my country - I am proud of the country the way it is today - but because I couldn't stand the many people (don't fool yourselves, many do that) calling me a Nazi or even worse, using catchphrases of the Nazis mindlessly.

Once again, history is written by the victors. And yes, of course (sadly) they call you nazi. It's the same stereotypical bullsh*t that you see all around the world. Just like every american is a fat slob, or every whelsh(australian whatev.) f*ck sheep or every pole is a thief. You have to be a greater man then that and not fall for such crap. If you are proud of your country as it is today, and want to display your flag, then do it! Don't let people ruin it for you, because they are morons.



We should never forget what terrible things humans are willing to do (If you think that applies to Germans only I recommend readingabout the Milgram experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment ), but if we remember it, we should remember it correctly in the terrible way it was, not as something to intimidate with.

The milgram experiment was more of a "what can authority make you do" then a "what is a human able to do on it's own or for $$". But it applys to the nazi regime, since the authority, the flags, the propaganda was everywhere and people got mezermerised and thought what the nazis did was right.



I can imagine it feels similar for someone from the Commonwealth of Independent States, even worse, because the Stalin-time wasn't ever completely investigated, nor viewed upon objectively by the current and former Russian/Sovjet governments, as far as I know.
Greetings


Nor was MAO nor will ever be bush, obama or anyone that should be called to den haag, but are not because they are too powerfull. I'm not quite sure about the CoI though. It is a military and economical union and anyone is free to leave? So if they would really be that pissed off, wouldn't they all leave? Only state to leave so far is georgia, after the war in 2008.

[Feuertraene]

K, I am gonna go through that step by step, but first, what I talked about was simply to make clear to other people why references to Hitler offend me, nothing else.
Then:

Alright first of all, why would you ban pictures "like that" in general? . Every leader of a superpower that was actively engaged in war, has blood on his hands, and, by your reasoning, should be banned? Of course they were "evil", but only because they lost the war. If they would have won the war, they would be heroes. History is written by the victors
Why I want to ban them is what I explain in the entire post. That is my opinion, and therefore, I hope, valid as it is.
I am not talking about any leader of any superpower, I am talking about the Nazis. And just, again, from my own perspective.
No, they were not evil because they lost the war, we strongly consider Stalin "evil" today although he won - you quote Churchill when saying "History is written by the victors", but in my opinion that is not correct, at least not anymore and not forever. In today's society everyone, even the victor, is measured with certain standards and you can't just conceal the flaws of something forever - at some point the truth will be known.


Then the reason behind the hate of the nazi regime against the jews was hitlers thinkin of the arian race(he was insane so yea let's leave it at that). Secondly, they needed money. Who had the money? Jewish bankers. So they killed or deported them and took their posessions. They never ment to eradicate them from the planet, "only" rob them. When the nazis invaded denmark, they notified the goverment that they should deport all the jews, or else they get in a concentration camp. They even offered them money for each jew they deport, so that they have lesser work, of course.
And they even did the same to a degree in germany, i believe it was 500 reichsmark for a family? The jews were not allowed to go to israel though, anywhere else but there, so most of them didn't take the offer, undstandable though.
No offence, but this is not true. It applies to the early phases of the Nazi-reign, but at the very latest 1941 the decision was made to eradicate the jews from europe and beyond.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution)
Again, no offence, but you may have studied this in High School, but I have been concerned with this topic my entire adult life.
If you want, I would love to discuss this topic even further with you (Reasons for the prosecution of jews, the payments for exiling and so on).
But that would take a lot of time and would simply go beyond what almost everyone here would be interested in, I assume.


Once again, history is written by the victors. And yes, of course (sadly) they call you nazi. It's the same stereotypical bullsh*t that you see all around the world. Just like every american is a fat slob, or every whelsh(australian whatev.) f*ck sheep or every pole is a thief. You have to be a greater man then that and not fall for such crap. If you are proud of your country as it is today, and want to display your flag, then do it! Don't let people ruin it for you, because they are morons.
Thanks for the support, but I just have no need for the annoyance and effort this takes. Some people don't want to understand that not every German is a Nazi (Not everyone was a Nazi back then, either, by the way) and I have better uses for my time than talking against a wall.


The milgram experiment was more of a "what can authority make you do" then a "what is a human able to do on it's own or for $$". But it applys to the nazi regime, since the authority, the flags, the propaganda was everywhere and people got mezermerised and thought what the nazis did was right.
Certainly what you say about the Milgram experiment is right. Maybe I should have talked more intensely about that instead of just putting it there. It was a common opinion among social scientists all over the world in the early phases after the War, that a big part of why the Germans accepted/knowingly ignored/even supported the actions, cruelties, and so on, committed by the Nazis because of a strong connection to militarism, loyality, abjection facing authority and so on by the Germans, that existed traditionally. The Milgram experiment proved then that even Americans (who consider themselves free since several centuries now) were ready to hurt other human beings if confronted with a "scientific authority" who tells them to. That was the shocking part.


For the rest of what you posted I don't really see a connection to what I intended to say, you just pick on some parts of my post. (that may, of course, very likely be attributed to me not making clear enough what I wanted to express, sorry for that).


And, something, merely out of interest: If you live about 30 minutes from Braunau am Inn, you have to either be German or Austrian, or use some kind of transportation I am not familiar with, right?

Greetings, and again, please take this not as an offence, i just want to make everything clear.

[St0l3n_ID]

As an german player i have to do a comment here, killing 20million is worse then killing 6million, no matter which way you do it.
(without defending german activities back then, every dead body caused by the third reich was a tragedy)

I'ld just go for banning all political pictures (including most famous symbols like anarchy fe), this way there wouldnt be the impression of having any random selection happen.

[Hotler]

Im glad that you all take this so serious and that you take time post your own opinion in this thread! :)
It is really helpfull! :)

Hopefully someone from S2 will comment so we can hear what they have to say about this! :)

[Renegateor]

Why I want to ban them is what I explain in the entire post. That is my opinion, and therefore, I hope, valid as it is.
I am not talking about any leader of any superpower, I am talking about the Nazis. And just, again, from my own perspective.
No, they were not evil because they lost the war, we strongly consider Stalin "evil" today although he won -

you quote Churchill when saying "History is written by the victors", but in my opinion that is not correct, at least not anymore and not forever. In today's society everyone, even the victor, is measured with certain standards and you can't just conceal the flaws of something forever - at some point the truth will be known.

Of course, you stated your opinion and it's fine if you think that way, np.
Yes he actually DID win the war, as you clearly can see: http://i.imgur.com/iyDF2.jpg
But the thing is, the russians were pretty cruel bastards (no wonder after what germany did to them), and i certainly don't envy the zones occupied by the russians, but the ones who took the credit are the other allieds. So even if he did all the work, the sovjets would still soon become a threat to the western powers (cold war much?), so they are considered "evil" once again.

It still is. Why do you think the us doesn't give a f*ck about den haag? All the cruel warcrimes the soldiers did in iraq and afgahnistan, noone cares. I mean just look at this
http://i.imgur.com/dkYE3.jpg He gets 3 months? Really? If you are a superpower you appearently stand above the law. Just imagine it would be vice versa. If an Pakistani soldier would kill 24 innocent americans (some people believe he wasn't alone and it's a big coverup...), he would be instantly hunted by the whole world and marked as a terrorist, deported to guantanamo and tortured till his "trial" and then executed.

While kinda derailing here, my point still stands. If you are a superpower and have the means(media, global allys) to demonise a country, you can do anything, sadly :(



No offence, but this is not true. It applies to the early phases of the Nazi-reign, but at the very latest 1941 the decision was made to eradicate the jews from europe and beyond.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution)
Again, no offence, but you may have studied this in High School, but I have been concerned with this topic my entire adult life.
If you want, I would love to discuss this topic even further with you (Reasons for the prosecution of jews, the payments for exiling and so on).
But that would take a lot of time and would simply go beyond what almost everyone here would be interested in, I assume.

Well one of the reasons was, that while hitler was insane, he had a point in blaming the jews. Fome jews HAD the money and were f*ing with the germans by withdrawing their assets and bleeding it out and since the nazi regime couldn't allow the slightest form of opposition in the german reich, they had to "deal" with them.
Of course it was "tradition" as well, since the jews have been blamed for everything since hundreds of years before that with pest, witchcraft etc.etc, but in the end hitler payed for it and got what he deserved.
Nowadays it's pretty much the opposite though, since israel is denying the palestinians an own state and occupied their territory for 80 years now. http://i.imgur.com/gghlo.png Of course, it's a bit bias, but it has a point, and it's cute!



Thanks for the support, but I just have no need for the annoyance and effort this takes. Some people don't want to understand that not every German is a Nazi (Not everyone was a Nazi back then, either, by the way) and I have better uses for my time than talking against a wall.

Well back when the wm 2006 was held in germany, my ex gf (who happened to be german and live there) told me that every flag was allowed to be displayed and waved, but germans were instantly frowned upon doing so and accused of beeing nazis etc. and i was like "wtf, u serious? what's wrong with ppl" .
So your not the only one i guess, and it's kinda sad :(



Certainly what you say about the Milgram experiment is right. Maybe I should have talked more intensely about that instead of just putting it there. It was a common opinion among social scientists all over the world in the early phases after the War, that a big part of why the Germans accepted/knowingly ignored/even supported the actions, cruelties, and so on, committed by the Nazis because of a strong connection to militarism, loyality, abjection facing authority and so on by the Germans, that existed traditionally. The Milgram experiment proved then that even Americans (who consider themselves free since several centuries now) were ready to hurt other human beings if confronted with a "scientific authority" who tells them to. That was the shocking part.


Well if you take a look back then, it was omnipresent. The nazi flags were waving everywhere, the MP and SS were around, the only radio you could hear with the volksempfänger was propaganda, same as in the newspaper. If you get the same message over and over and over again, you believe it and it's justification. (kinda how the big us medias are doing it nowadays, and that's why the "war on the internet" has begun, since it's a free place and people can express their opinions freely. No wonder that so many bills like SOPA PIPA ACTA etc etc are comming up right now, right?



For the rest of what you posted I don't really see a connection to what I intended to say, you just pick on some parts of my post. (that may, of course, very likely be attributed to me not making clear enough what I wanted to express, sorry for that).


I wanted to quote your full post, but then decided it would look crappy and confusing so i made some paragraphs out of it :)



And, something, merely out of interest: If you live about 30 minutes from Braunau am Inn, you have to either be German or Austrian, or use some kind of transportation I am not familiar with, right?

Yes i use a magicall device called "car" :D, austrian here, nice to meet u!



Greetings, and again, please take this not as an offence, i just want to make everything clear.

Why would i take anything as an offence? We are having a nice discussion about world politics from back then, right?

Steve hughes made a lovely video about this topic :D here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs) 3min onwards, pretty funny

[Hotler]

Lets take this thread higher up!

[ByeliyMyech]

In regards to this, dont forget, all of this is down to people's general acceptance of social norms. I am from Ukraine, and many Ukrainians would find this offensive, but look at eastern Ukraine or even Russia, many people still glorify Stalin, as the liberator, dear leader....etc......it all comes down to social acceptance of what is right and wrong.
I think it shouldnt be banned, many people still see him as a hero. Why take it away.....what about a picture of The President Putin? Is that offensive? Should it be deleted because you feel offended? I think whatever picture doesnt matter as long as you look at the intent rather than the content.....and thats what poeple should judge!!!!!
Take for example Hitler, social norms say that his picture connotes Anti semitism, etc, genocide...etc.....so you would presume, that putting his picture would be in fact intedned to stir commotion.......where as Stalin, where during the Cold war, COmmunists hid most of information relating to genocides, etc, and peoples overall lack of knowledge, its hard to tell the intent......because many people in Russia, Ukraine and the world (expatriots) hang pictures of stalin on their walls!!! Its not accepted to think stalin is same par as Hitler, but some dissaggree and agree.....as I said, its all about intent!!!

So overall I find it really sad, that people like you, are bound and stuck up on having things that are right/wrong whatever scrutinized.....its hon....get over it!!! Its not the USA where people can sue you for tripping over a pavement......get over it!




Hello there fellow newerthians!
My name is Hotler and i have come here today to talk about a very serious problem.
For a couple of weeks ago I came in contact with an account with a custom picture of Joseph Stalin.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wxdgAiRcjHg/TmGF3cAnttI/AAAAAAAAGEM/fYvHGh8e2b8/s1600/stalinDM2109_468x551.jpg

This picture made me thinking.
How can an honest and seriuos company as S2 really tolerate that a picture of the man who led one of the biggest genocide in all of human history being shown by their costumers?
This is a man who has ended over five million human lives. And some people argue that it is all the way up to 70 million.
Is this a man who S2 as a company wants to get associated with?

I hoped that they would not. So I made a little experiment.
I Created this free 2 play account and I named it Hotler.
And so i started playing.
After 29 hours of playing, and a 4x coin weekend i finally reached my goal of 1000 silver coins.
I bought the custom icon for the money I had earned. And as a picuture i chose this one;
http://biography4u.com/image-files/young%20Hitler.jpg

I played a few games with my new icon, just to show it for the community. I left my computer for a couple of hours, and when i returned the Icon was gone.
I was refounded with a new costum icon. I sent in the same picture against the warning that my new icon was going to be look trhough before being accepted due to my earlier break of the "terms of agreements".
I never got my icon.
And this was a GOOD thing. I was glad that S2 didn't accept that I was having a picuter of Adolf Hitler. A man who also have commited one of the biggest genocides in human history.

I can see that my icon could have been erased for racialist reasons. And that Stalin is not racilist reason enough to remove that icon.
But as far as Im concered, so is both of these pictures unethical and my personal opinion is that none of them should not be tolerated!
Therefore I would like to propose that all the pictures of Stalin was removed from the game. (Yes I have seen several). And that's a good thing. Both for S2 as a company and against the people in the community that is discriminated by this picure.

I love this game. But things like this makes me doubt at it and S2 as a company.
Please change that thought before it grows.

[Hotler]

In regards to this, dont forget, all of this is down to people's general acceptance of social norms. I am from Ukraine, and many Ukrainians would find this offensive, but look at eastern Ukraine or even Russia, many people still glorify Stalin, as the liberator, dear leader....etc......it all comes down to social acceptance of what is right and wrong.
I think it shouldnt be banned, many people still see him as a hero. Why take it away.....what about a picture of The President Putin? Is that offensive? Should it be deleted because you feel offended? I think whatever picture doesnt matter as long as you look at the intent rather than the content.....and thats what poeple should judge!!!!!
Take for example Hitler, social norms say that his picture connotes Anti semitism, etc, genocide...etc.....so you would presume, that putting his picture would be in fact intedned to stir commotion.......where as Stalin, where during the Cold war, COmmunists hid most of information relating to genocides, etc, and peoples overall lack of knowledge, its hard to tell the intent......because many people in Russia, Ukraine and the world (expatriots) hang pictures of stalin on their walls!!! Its not accepted to think stalin is same par as Hitler, but some dissaggree and agree.....as I said, its all about intent!!!

So overall I find it really sad, that people like you, are bound and stuck up on having things that are right/wrong whatever scrutinized.....its hon....get over it!!! Its not the USA where people can sue you for tripping over a pavement......get over it!

So you think it's okey to have pictures of massmurdurers as icons?
And since the company is in america i think they can be sued just as easy as any other company! :)

[McStealer]

http://nextlol.com/images/45728-super-stalin-brothers.jpg
akward moment when u search for stlain in google images and u get this AHAHAAHAH

[MagicalDrink]

Interesting. As a history teacher I recently did something similar with a few of my history classes. Prior to our unit on World War II, I placed a Nazi flag in the room along with my other historical flags, and a USSR flag somewhere else in the room. The Nazi flag drew some complaints from staff and a few students, while the USSR flag did not. I prompted my students and asked a question similar to OPs. "Why did the Nazi flag draw such an intense reaction while most of you had no idea what the USSR flag was?" Once I introduced Hitler and Stalin, I compared the two men and explained what a butcher Stalin was. My students responded by saying that because Hitler is associated with the Nazis, racial supremacy theories and the Holocaust, he is much more infamous. Communism does not conjure up the same horrific images as Nazism and Hitler. No one looks at Mikhail Gorbachev and says "murderer!"

OH yeah, and Stalin was our ally during World War II. Funny how that works.

[MagicalDrink]

j4zb4: So essentially you go around on the forums saying how much you hate America? Those seem to be the only posts you make. Why then, are you playing an American made game?

[MacroHard]

All forms of promoting historically or globally significant societal injustice is not permitted for account names and custom icons. A picture of Stalin falls under "promoting historically significant societal injustice."

The reason you found it in game was likely because it was missed by an unaware GM and subsequently never reported in game. Please PM a Senior Game Master if you come across an account icon you feel is inappropriate.

Closing because this thread has derailed into an off-topic political discussion.