Common sense appeal !

[azygos]

Here is my case:

Yesterday we played a game, and a guy from the other team disconnected as soon as the game started. The other team voted for a remake. Me and my brother were playing, we voted yes, 3 of the other guys voted no. The other team was polite, they kindly asked, several times, to give them a remake. 3 guys still didnt want to give them the remake. Its all good, no rmk - no rmk, ok sometimes you get rmk sometimes you dont.

BUT THEN. The changing factor. Guy from our team says: " Hon community is thrash, you wont get a rmk, no one gives me a rmk". Now that pissed me off. Im not trash. This is a good game, i want to play it normaly, with manners, 5v5, like its suppoused to be.

So i'm like, " Guys give them the rmk, dont be nasty MMR / PRS hunters." Still no. I dont want to waste 15 mins of my life, im 25 yrls old, college, life, etc., i dont play that many games, i want the ones i play to be good , you know?

But still no. Says that the community is trash. Its trash becouse of such people , you know? So basicly, he says: Im trash i wont give you rmk. They think we're crazy for giving them the rmk. Thats not the point of this game, give them rmk, lets play 5v5 dude, your 5 mmr dont matter, you know?

Then i decide im not letting this go. I will ruin the match, feed the other team, i want to play a game where people will give you the remake if its needed. I wont learn anything from 4v5. I wont become better, i will eventualy loose the 5mmr i gained becouse im not really that good, they just disconnected, so it all comes to the same thing.

I tell my team, i will feed if you dont give them a rmk. They still dont want to give them the rmk, the lousy rmk, so we can play a normal game.

Im not letting this go, i say. Our mmr hunters say they will report me and i will get a ban.
I tell them: Guys, dont you get it, you are ruining the game, not me, you are the reason hon community is trash, its you, dont you get it?

Their argument was smt like :" No one gives me rmk, i wont either." But you are the same, dont you get it? The one who didnt give you the rmk, and you now who wont give the rmk, you are the same guy and the SAME PROBLEM. You are the problem, i am trying to change this.

They still tell me they wont give up, they want the mmr, and me and my bro will get a permanent ban.
I say like : " If i am going to get banned for trying to stop this selfishness, to make people aware that there are some people out there that dont play for the mmr, who want to play good games, have fun and all, IF THEY BAN ME FOR THAT I WILL GLADLY STOP PLAYING because i dont want to play such a game.

And so on, we failed to give the other guy ( litteraly 1 guy, cuz all of his teammates disconnected, ALL OF THEM) the win, the 3 douchebag MMR hunters got the win, and you know, its ok. Ive still made a point you know, winning or losing wasnt the question there.

And what happens? We get banned. For trying to lose on purpose.
Now please, try to understand me. This is not an appeal against my ban. I have 2 brothers, we all have 2-3 accounts, we BOUGHT THEM on HON BETA, i will allways have an acount to play with, so again, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE BAN. This is about trying to make a difference, its about EDUCATION.

And its not even about those guys who didnt want to give the RMK, its all good, there will allways be such people, the world is not perfect. But the creators and the management of the game, you are supporting this?! So really, do u REALLY thing that those 3 guys who didnt want to give the REMAKE deserve to play this game, and WE WHO WANTED A FAIRGAME, we dont and you will ban us for it? What kind of message are you trying to send out there, you know?

Ive been gaming all my life, i spent a lot of money on video games, and i would pay even more for a good game with nice people playing it. Hon is the best game of its kind, and its true the people playing it are quite "childish", lets say. But all are not like that, and besides, you can teach people. You LITTERALY, with time and effort, can make a good community, a true community of people who will love the game, spend their money, who will not leave the game as soon as dota2 or something else comes, and who will play the game YEARS after.


Dont you get it, maaaan, just get it??

Match info:
Banned accounts are : Zelenobijela & DayTrippa
Match ID: 89823737
Date: 5/13/2012

Time: 03:31:32 PM
Server: EU 154

P.S.
I will not play this game anymore if you dont answer me here. I dont have to be unbanned, i just want an answer, your opinion on this....Bye

[MacroHard]

Retributive griefing is not an excuse. Another player doing something that you disagree with does not give you the right to grief back. As much as you wanted a fun and fair game by remaking, the three people who did not want to remake had the right to want to continue to play.

[tiGa]

While its true that it sucks when someone won't give a remake when someone discs, it also sucks when your allies purposefully feeding. Threatening to feed, fine. But actually feeding when they said clearly that they were going to report you seems like the wrong choice. You shouldn't try to ruin the game just because they ruined the game. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

[IPeonPeons]

If you want to pass a remake, then wait until the person who DC'd properly drops out. Then the remake vote only needs 6 (maybe even 5? I can't remember) votes which would be you+your brother and the entire enemy team. :)

[azygos]

You missed my point... Nor am i griefeing, nor i need and exuse.
how is it eye for eye? i was trying to show them hon community is not trash, that people will give you rmk if you need it, that you should love the game, not the win... His " I wont give rmk cause no one gives me rmk" --- that is eye for an eye, that leaves the world blind. And its ok, there are blind people out there and there always will be, but im talking to hon leadership here. Its about education, those are kids playing there, and you are doing the wrong things, sending the wrong message. How low must you value your time to be willing to waste 15 mins on a 1v5 game?


People like me will stop playing hon for this, people like that will stay...And its ok.
But my point its:
Im not saying s2 should change people and teach them manners, but atleast u shouldnt support such CLEARLY wrong manners.

[azygos]

And apart from the bad manners, yes the 3 guys had the right to continue playing, but why dont i have the right to leave if i wont wanna waste time like that? if my team wont give rmk, and i do... I cant leave, because ill become a leaver... but i dont wanna waste my time on a 5v1 game? I should be allowed to leave if my team wont give rmk, and the other team has guys that disconnected... perhaps look into that, seems pretty legit? Toughts?

[azygos]

While its true that it sucks when someone won't give a remake when someone discs, it also sucks when your allies purposefully feeding. Threatening to feed, fine. But actually feeding when they said clearly that they were going to report you seems like the wrong choice. You shouldn't try to ruin the game just because they ruined the game. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

btw bro, those are 2 different things... i am ruining the match, they are ruining the GAME

[jusatin]

btw bro, those are 2 different things... i am ruining the match, they are ruining the GAME

Sorry, in this case, those two are exactly the same thing. And I see your point you're trying to make but I just can't agree with you. There's absolutely no reason to grief game by feeding etc. Or even threaten to feed. When it comes to leaving, yes you can leave the game. Sure you get some leaver ranking but that's the choice you have to make, what are you willing to pay for a 5v5 game. (In other words, why should your reason to leave be not punished when you think it's right, why should other guys reason to leave be punished if he leaves if someone/the one itself feeds? He thinks then it's right to leave.)

[SexyGurl]

Regardless of your intentions, you began griefing a game because you didn't get your way. That attitude right there is exactly what is wrong with the HoN community, and using that attitude to try and make the game a better place makes no sense whatsoever.

[`Yori]

I like how he says the HoN community isn't trash then he proceeds to intentionally feed to ruin the match for his teammates. He loves the game so much but will quit it since he got banned for intentional feeding.

You need to learn to pick your battles and use your mic.

[ShAdOw_LaNcE]

If you grief for no RM then you're acting like the trash you're describing. That's the same sort of thing I get from players who say, "MID OR I FEED," except for you it's, "RM OR I FEED." Also, you should learn to accept why people don't remake. Remake is sometimes an inappropriate decision, even if the other team wants it. For example, if I get into a game, and they have a strong team (stronger than ours), and a player DC's and they vote up remake, I'll pass it. However, if my team composition is better than theirs, and the same situation occurs, I won't pass it. It annoys the hell out of me when a team picks 4 carries or 3 junglers or whatever else awful you can get, and then asks, "plz remake, I have to go." I play HoN for fun of course, but I also play it to get better and win. When I recognize that if that player hadn't dc'd, we would have stomped them because of a superior team make-up, why should I spare them the inevitable loss they should receive for not knowing how to pick?

I get where you're coming from, and most of the time I will remake (the examples above are only when the outcome is VERY clear), but griefing is not the way to educate people. The best way to deal with it is just to play your best and see what you can do, 4v5 doesn't always mean an auto loss.

TL;DR HoN 'aint Burger King, you can't always have it your way.

[azygos]

It is somewhat hard to argue if you dont read what i write, please.
You said all very correct, but thats not what i wrote.


[log]jusatin:
Those are not the same thing, yes they are related, but one is greater than the other.
My point was good, my method was bad.
His point was bad, his method was bad.


Whould you agree?




Sexygurl:
True, but that was what i said? I failed because it didnt get my way, the other guy failed
because of what? What is the motivation for not giving a remake? It was 5v1 there.
You honesly would like to have more people on hon like those guys or like me?
Turn it into math: If all goes well, people like me wont grief. If all goes
well people like those guys will grief, he had no true reason not to rmk. Saying
hon community sucks is no true reason not to give a rmk. True?


Yori:
Read, omg, thats like a slap.
I will quote myself here:
"I will not play this game anymore if you dont answer me here. I dont have to be unbanned, i just want an answer, your opinion on this....Bye"
Im not quitting cause of the ban. I wrote, several times,
this is not about the ban, i should get banned.


I was trash, but for the right reasons.
He was trash for the wrong reasons.




Shadowlance:
Again, right reason trash, wrong reason trash. And please dont say trash is allways trash,
or i will tell you to go and read Dostoyevsky:)
Im glad that you see where im coming from, and your arguments are good. If they fail the pick
they should not get a remake.


But it was 5v3 here, later 5v1. It was just sad.






Btw thanks for responding...

[tiGa]

Im glad that you see where im coming from, and your arguments are good. If they fail the pick
they should not get a remake.


But it was 5v3 here, later 5v1. It was just sad.

if you say that people should always rm when the other team discs, you're opening it up to any game being remade because of someone leaving for stupid reasons. what if my team has awful picks and the other team has amazing picks and i say "hey guys...can 2 of you disc really fast so they'll rm? we have bad picks". should we get a rm? what if i don't like playing against devo and the other team picks devo and i leave, should we get a rm? maybe i'm one of those people who searches and once i find a game, i realize that i didn't actually have a full hour to spend on a game. should i get a remake because i'm dumb and can't tell time so i leave? what if my team gives up first blood and i "disconnect" because my "internet crashed", should we get a remake?

maybe one of those was the reason that the other team discd. should they still get the remake?

also, its the other team's fault for not knowing how things work. like IPeonPeons said, they should have just waited it out.

and i thoroughly disagree with you thinking that you were being "trash for the right reason". shadow_lance is 100% right.

[`Yori]

"I will not play this game anymore if you dont answer me here. I dont have to be unbanned, i just want an answer, your opinion on this....Bye"
Im not quitting cause of the ban. I wrote, several times,
this is not about the ban, i should get banned.

You care a lot about the ban. If you knew you deserved the ban why did you post? Are you new to the game? Games not getting remade happen all the time. Why would you quit if no one responded to your legitimate ban? You make no sense. Please post on emojournal next time you get upset about people who don't remake games.