Best counter to corrupted disipline on 1v1?

[unkn0wn]

What hero would be unbeatable against him? I was thinking chronos.. What u guys think?

[Gabula]

Witch Slayer, disables in general.

[margienon]

Pure undiscipline.

[unkn0wn]

Witch Slayer, disables in general.

Naww he'll be going for alot of hp.

[Krigsklovn]

Pandamonium, unbeatable 1v1

[laserblade]

Hellflower and Totem of Kuldra item-wise.

[unkn0wn]

Hmm...

[Dataslycer]

I assume this is a 1v1 mid only fight.

To counter a hero, you must understand him. First let's break down his stats.

Stats
Attack Type=Ranged
Attack Damage=44-57
Attack Range=475
Movementspeed=295
Turnrate=320
Armor=2.10
MagicArmor=5.5
Strength=21+1.9
Agility=22+2.5
Intelligence=19+1.8


He has pretty good base stat and somewhat well rounded stat growth. His projectile speed of 2000, attack animation and decent (if a bit wide range) base damage allows him to last hit pretty well with some range deficiency.

Now for his abilities

Electric Tide- Electric Tide can deal some heavy damage if you end up being hit while in the outer area of the ring. Remember it will hit twice and the ripple effect is very fast.

Corrupted Conduit- Mana cost is negligant and can "un-DPS" you and buff his DPS unless you break away which isn't too hard as Disciple has no disables. You'll probably see this in mid-late game though.

Static Discharge- Grants him movement speed as well as a counterdamage to direct nukes. The counternuke is your main concern.

Overload- Since you are the only target, it will hit you. This is even worse if you play stealth hero since the ult still strikes you even though it doesn't reveal you. Combine this with Electric Tide and he can do decent damage. Albeit the effect is ery gradual and only is more potent in a prolonged battle.

Overall outlook: He can perform quite well for an agility as he possess a decent mana and HP pool, a ripple spell that does decent damage, and a counternuke. His late game performance is pretty good on a 1 v 1 basis. All in all he is fairly well rounded.

Here are a few suggestions I can make:
Soul Stealer: Initially he may have somewhat of a rough time in last hitting due to low base damage but eventually you can neglect that. Your nuke can deal almost as much damage as his on his outer rim but with a much lower mana cost as well as chain two of them with the right position. Use is to attempt to lane control as well as create a superior last hit/deny position for yourself. Soul burst at optimal range isn't likely as he will run if you get in his face but if Disciple decides to get aggresive, you can use this to pop off some of his damage as well as slow him down. You also have good DPS late game in your own right with soul steal and dread. Shield breaker would destroy his EHP.

Wild Soul- Combining you and BooBoo's damage together, you have last hit and deny advantage especially if you fit a logger's axe on BooBoo. While you do not have a nuke, you do have a proc' disable at level 3 (lvl 2 BooBoo). At this level, try to get pot shots on him. Even if Entangle does not proc, your damage generally beats his in terms of physical damage. If you do proc, try to deal as much damage or event kill him. Entangle is your primary weapon from beginning to end game.

Soul Reaper. Unlike the others, you are trying to control the game early to mid game as a game lasting too long may result in him getting a shrunken head. Your nuke serves to help negate his while damaging him. Your last hitting/deny is essential to getting mana (don't take too many levels of Inhuman nature, you will want Withering Presence earlier than normal). Your ultimate essentially cuts his EHP in half. Remember that he favors long battle due to his ult so use yours to make it short.

[unkn0wn]

I assume this is a 1v1 mid only fight.

To counter a hero, you must understand him. First let's break down his stats.

Stats
Attack Type=Ranged
Attack Damage=44-57
Attack Range=475
Movementspeed=295
Turnrate=320
Armor=2.10
MagicArmor=5.5
Strength=21+1.9
Agility=22+2.5
Intelligence=19+1.8


He has pretty good base stat and somewhat well rounded stat growth. His projectile speed of 2000, attack animation and decent (if a bit wide range) base damage allows him to last hit pretty well with some range deficiency.

Now for his abilities

Electric Tide- Electric Tide can deal some heavy damage if you end up being hit while in the outer area of the ring. Remember it will hit twice and the ripple effect is very fast.

Corrupted Conduit- Mana cost is negligant and can "un-DPS" you and buff his DPS unless you break away which isn't too hard as Disciple has no disables. You'll probably see this in mid-late game though.

Static Discharge- Grants him movement speed as well as a counterdamage to direct nukes. The counternuke is your main concern.

Overload- Since you are the only target, it will hit you. This is even worse if you play stealth hero since the ult still strikes you even though it doesn't reveal you. Combine this with Electric Tide and he can do decent damage. Albeit the effect is ery gradual and only is more potent in a prolonged battle.

Overall outlook: He can perform quite well for an agility as he possess a decent mana and HP pool, a ripple spell that does decent damage, and a counternuke. His late game performance is pretty good on a 1 v 1 basis. All in all he is fairly well rounded.

Here are a few suggestions I can make:
Soul Stealer: Initially he may have somewhat of a rough time in last hitting due to low base damage but eventually you can neglect that. Your nuke can deal almost as much damage as his on his outer rim but with a much lower mana cost as well as chain two of them with the right position. Use is to attempt to lane control as well as create a superior last hit/deny position for yourself. Soul burst at optimal range isn't likely as he will run if you get in his face but if Disciple decides to get aggresive, you can use this to pop off some of his damage as well as slow him down. You also have good DPS late game in your own right with soul steal and dread. Shield breaker would destroy his EHP.

Wild Soul- Combining you and BooBoo's damage together, you have last hit and deny advantage especially if you fit a logger's axe on BooBoo. While you do not have a nuke, you do have a proc' disable at level 3 (lvl 2 BooBoo). At this level, try to get pot shots on him. Even if Entangle does not proc, your damage generally beats his in terms of physical damage. If you do proc, try to deal as much damage or event kill him. Entangle is your primary weapon from beginning to end game.

Soul Reaper. Unlike the others, you are trying to control the game early to mid game as a game lasting too long may result in him getting a shrunken head. Your nuke serves to help negate his while damaging him. Your last hitting/deny is essential to getting mana (don't take too many levels of Inhuman nature, you will want Withering Presence earlier than normal). Your ultimate essentially cuts his EHP in half. Remember that he favors long battle due to his ult so use yours to make it short.

Thanks alot!

[emiltheboy]

just get nullstone and he cant steal your damage then u just rape him while standing next to your creeps to not get hit by his ult

[Lolololage]

Id guess succubus.

If he drains your damage, mes and run.

If he attacks, lower his attack.

Else, ult and win?

[PENGUWINNP]

Pure undiscipline.

snicker

[KnightDavion]

Scout ofc.

[Extreme_Cake]

Blood Hunter would work quite well.

[JellyBeans]

He is a corrupted disciple so, he turned to the dark side to save his soul (or something similar)
SO pick anything with soul in it, like wildsoul soulreaper and soulstealer for all the same reasons as Dataslycer says

[Decimaetidz]

Scout.
Electric Eye silence then watch him fizzle under your disarm.
It's pretty funny.

[Garche]

A non-auto attack dependent hero is good against him but is not restricted to. Also, Void Talisman.

[Darkshine1]

If Corrupted's in mid, have Vindicator go mid as well. All of his non-passive skills have looooooooooong cooldowns, so, drain his mana with Sage's Lore. Unstable Discharge or whatever it's called isn't going to be a problem since you can run back to your tower. Then, you can harass him easily with Master's Incantation.

[SplatterJohn]

Pandamonium, unbeatable 1v1

lol , panda is all physical dmg while corrupted is all about draining that dmg :P . panda can't do **** 1on1 against corrupted..

[gGbanken]

Agree with lolololage - Succubus!!

When he comes to kill you:
1 - when he drains your dmg u "mesmerize", run out of sight and back and wait.
2 - then he uses nova, u use "heartache" to get your hp back and dmg him 300.
3 - you then reduce his dmg by 120% with "smitten".
4 - attack, attack
5 - Succubus' Hold to kill him

What can he do?

[Zolfix]

Agree with lolololage - Succubus!!

When he comes to kill you:
1 - when he drains your dmg u "mesmerize", run out of sight and back and wait.
2 - then he uses nova, u use "heartache" to get your hp back and dmg him 300.
3 - you then reduce his dmg by 120% with "smitten".
4 - attack, attack
5 - Succubus' Hold to kill him

What can he do?

He can bkb and/or null and kill you.

[Bishopp1]

lol , panda is all physical dmg while corrupted is all about draining that dmg :P . panda can't do **** 1on1 against corrupted..


yeah because i'm an idiot and i don't know that i have 2 skills that can interrupt the damage drain or actually not fight him while under it's effect

[SplatterJohn]

yeah because i'm an idiot and i don't know that i have 2 skills that can interrupt the damage drain or actually not fight him while under it's effect

if he panda goes for an ult u can throw ur spell before he reaches u. and if u can't see him anywhere be ready to use it. it's not that hard to hit him while he's doing cannonball. and none of pandas spells interrupt dmg drain.

[Equalsx]

I'd say arachna with linkens to counter his dmg thingy (if i remember correctly bkb doesn't work against it) else get bkb

[Fidel]

Chronos, <3 chronos 1 vs 1, although he's probably better against other agi heroes

[jol1nar1]

i've waited for a long time for razor to be ported. and now i almost play only him.
mid lane nobody can outplay a good razor. he has the best harassing nuke in game imho and a razor with bottle rapes mid adversaries.
i just recently played vs a chronos. very early in the game after i farmed alot and killed my lane enemy (witch hunter) a couple of times (i had bottle bracers and 10 agi item for slash) i check a the rune spot and there a chronos jumps on me, ultis and activates parasite. i didn't even manage to activate a spell. well he was fed a bit but i didn't think he could farm so much in a dual lane.

90% i die with razor is by my own mistakes. but this time i couldn't do anything. so yes.. i do consider chronos best razor counter.

[crappular]

yeah because i'm an idiot and i don't know that i have 2 skills that can interrupt the damage drain or actually not fight him while under it's effect
His damage drain is not a channeled ability.

[orangemaen]

Play Scout, search for the excellent 1v1 Scout Guide.

[A1ias]

You haven't read the guide, have you?

I lol'd at the guide, very entertaining guide indeed.

[TDA101]

Valkyrie. All her skills allow her not to trigger the passive.

Arrow is non targetted stun

Call is great vs his nuke because you will be next to him to cause him tons of damage while his nuke will do nothing.

And leap lets u keep up with his passive.

Ulti will um do stuff I guess?

[Dataslycer]

Delete this post, not sure why it ended up here.

[Mickin]

I'd have to imagine vindicator and soul stealer would work fine.

[Dataslycer]

Scout is a bad laner. Vanishes's damage will get countered by a kiting disiple and an Electric Tide not to mention creeps will aggro you the moment you pop in. Electric Eye only helps no map control is silence and CD isn't all about magic damage. Disarm is useless as you have to hit him first and that makes creep aggro you like mentioned before.

[crysanthos]

Scout is a bad laner. Vanishes's damage will get countered by a kiting disiple and an Electric Tide not to mention creeps will aggro you the moment you pop in. Electric Eye only helps no map control is silence and CD isn't all about magic damage. Disarm is useless as you have to hit him first and that makes creep aggro you like mentioned before.

You haven't read the guide, have you?

[Mizaru1]

1v1? Just swiftblade ulti him....i dnt think agi heroes can survive swiftbalde's full ulti 1v1 unless they pump hp like crazy...

[Rasta]

Wildsoul is the best 1v1 hero, no one even comes close. You just gotta micro.

[EverM]

He is a corrupted disciple so, he turned to the dark side to save his soul (or something similar)
SO pick anything with soul in it, like wildsoul soulreaper and soulstealer for all the same reasons as Dataslycer says

LOLgrenade

[virgayL]

1v1? Just swiftblade ulti him....i dnt think agi heroes can survive swiftbalde's full ulti 1v1 unless they pump hp like crazy...

great idea due to the fact that he just gotta get linkens and your screwed since you got no other targeted spells ...

[NyRe]

1v1? Just swiftblade ulti him....i dnt think agi heroes can survive swiftbalde's full ulti 1v1 unless they pump hp like crazy...

... with razor being the only hero aside from zephyr whose core includes HP-boosting items?

[DaReaper]

scout noobs prevail!!!! Noobs this is a 1v1 game. He will buy a ward from level 1 and harass the **** out of you.

[QQQQQQQQQQQ]

You must pick blacksmith so he is unable to pre-purchase the game, so when the game becomes p2p, he will be unable to play the game, making you the default victor.

[Fidel]

You must pick blacksmith so he is unable to pre-purchase the game, so when the game becomes p2p, he will be unable to play the game, making you the default victor.

This is true, but if he has a night hound to sneak past blacksmith he can infact pre-purchase the game. Your statement in Invalid.

[ForTheSwarm]

... with razor being the only hero aside from zephyr whose core includes HP-boosting items?

You're forgetting Sand Wraith. :P

[s0ulbreak3r]

Nullfire any1? (Not sure if it works though, need to check)might be good on SS, so he can maintain to out dps him

[Tajak]

Legionnaire. GG

[Fidel]

Legionnaire. GG


hmm i don't think that would work well

his auto attack (at higher levels .. with right items) is insanly quick.

[Tajak]

hmm i don't think that would work well

his auto attack (at higher levels .. with right items) is insanly quick.

Whirlwind would proc insanely fast too. Very late game, legion wouldn't survive, but early/mid game he'd rape.

[Fidel]

Whirlwind would proc insanely fast too. Very late game, legion wouldn't survive, but early/mid game he'd rape.


would whirling blade effect him from 450 range ?

[Snow_blind]

would whirling blade effect him from 450 range ?

No, its range is shorter. Around 250-300.

[Albane]

I never had trouble going against a Corrupted Disciple as a Demented Shaman. With 1 point in the 50% damage reduction, you can weaken his main attack severely. You can also throw hammers from the max range of his attack, allowing you to peck his health away. Then when you get him to 50%, get in close to him and finish him off with snare/stun, heals, and hammer.

This is just from my experience, as a player who loves the Shaman.

[rayanman]

Tempest, very underestimated solo, summons, a stun, a nuke and that ulti, very hard to lane against all game.