Draft to Life Contest 2 - Chain Order Combos (ended)

[Melto]

- Draft to Life Contest II -
:valk: Chain Order Combos





Welcome to the 2nd contest of Draft to Life ! This contest is a chance for you to show everyone your talents of creativity. Just fit the challenge rules and create/compose a hero idea which is better that everyone. For the winners of this contest a playable version of his hero will be created to play in practice game now (and more better after) and to show everyone what is a masterpiece in game !




Status




HOST: Melto



PHASE I: ENDED
PHASE II : ENDED
CONTESTANT ENTRIES: CLOSED
ENTRY MODIFICATION: NOT ALLOWED




Attendees


Contestants



No post count or previous hero making experience required.
Please post your entries in the hero drafts section with [D2L-2] in the title and link to them in this thread.
The host will decide from submitted entry if contestant is fit to participate.
Don't forget that the entry need to be codable. Don't worry, after Part I, the Host will tell to all contestants if his draft's skills are all codable (and change a skill before Part II if it isn't).
Note that the hero idea has to be original and preferably formatted.
You can use a Draft of one of your hero made before contest as long as it hasn't been used in another contest and as long as you put in the title [D2L-2].
Two entry max per contestant. Max Slots: --




Judges



Requires reviewing experience.
Just send a PM to the host
For the newer judges will be sent a little admission exam to check if they can fit to become a judge.





The Challenge





Main Challenge



You must create an agility carry and/or ganker hero.
Your hero must have interskill interactions (Heroes with only high synergy and/or forced synergy will be accepted in the contest but less rewarded)


Interskill Interactions what is that ?
It is to have One active skill that has specific and additional bonus effects when cast along with, or after others of the hero's skills or it is to have two or more active skills that have specific additional bonus effects when cast along with, or after another skill. The skill(s) by themselves musn't be useless, and it's effects must be compounded by another skill.

Or said differently,

Interaction between skills means specifically that two or more of the hero's abilities effect the casting or use of the other skills when cast alongside each other. Both skills must have separate, individual issues as well. For example, Skill Q causes X effect, Skill W causes Y effect. When Skill Q is used directly after Skill W, Y effect is somehow modified by X effect.


Bonus Challenge



Give your hero at least 1 skill shot ability.
Genjuro is a Core Item on this Hero.




Part I





Ended



Contestants:

Slash - Melto (Example Instructions for D2L-2) (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?416664-D2L-2-Slash-%28An-Explanation-to-what-Interskill-Interaction-meant-to-be-%29) Not a Contestant...



Elite Mage Painter - Melto (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?425583-D2L-2-Elite-Mage-Painter)
Scarlet - Matz0r (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?295168-D2L-2-Scarlet)
The Monk - Matz0r (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?419268-D2L-2-The-Monk)
The Elven Champion - Babylon7k (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?419739-D2L-2-Jelani-The-Elven-Champion)
Incanter - Beroya (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?419522-D2L-2-Incanter)
The Witch - Beroya (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?416089-D2L-2-The-Witch)
Fel Arcanist - Ahimtar (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?419357-D2L-2-Fel-Arcanist)
Vergil - MasterGeese (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?415697-D2L-2-Vergil)
Shadow Dancer - GeneralGrind (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?402295-D2L-2-Shadow-Dancer-%28Working-Title%29)
Halfman - GeneralGrind (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?420603-D2L-2-Halfman)
Darkfire Imp - lolsworth (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?416634-D2L-2-Darkfire-Imp)
Siegfried - DrPeckers (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?357381-D2L-2-Siegfried)
Jackal Undertaker - DrPeckers (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?425493-D2L-2-Jackal-Undertaker)
The Spectral Archeress - McStealer (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?424934-D2L-2-The-Spectral-Archeress)
The Suppressor - McStealer (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?425277-D2L-2-The-Suppressor)
Cetos - Drasha (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?425359-D2L-2-Cetos)



Judges:



Melto
Apostate
DrPeckers




The first phase of this competition will involve creation of your hero to be judged in part II. All contestants should finish their hero at the end of this phase or the entry will be disqualified.


Closed at : 1st June, 2012



Part II




Ended



In this phase, judges starts to judge all the entries.




The winner is Vergil by Master Geese...



||FinalScore||Rank
Vergil by MasterGeese||302||1
Shadow Dancer by GeneralGrind||299||2
The Monk by Matz0r||287||3
Scarlet by Matz0r||285||4
Cetos by Drasha||276||5
The Elven Champion by Babylon7k||273||6
Halfman by GeneralGrind||270||7
Elite Mage Painter by Melto||267||8
Fel Arcanist by Ahimtar||264||9
Siegfried by DrPeckers||259||10
Jackal Undertaker by DrPeckers||253||11
Darkfire Imp by lolsworth||249||12
Incanter by Beroya||243||13
The Witch by Beroya||181||14
The Spectral Archeress by McStealer||---||DQ
The Suppressor by McStealer||---||DQ


Awards of Originality:
High Originality and good concept

Cetos by Drasha
Halfman by GeneralGrind



Awards of Fun Factor:
High entertainement Level

The Monk by Matz0r
Vergil by MasterGeese



Awards of Challenges:
Respect of Main Challenges and Bonus challenges

Shadow Dancer by GeneralGrind
Scarlet by Matz0r
Elite Mage Painter by Melto
Fel Arcanist by Ahimtar



Awards of Skillset:
Uniqueness of Abilities, alone and together

The Elven Champion by Babylon7k
The Monk by Matz0r





I will not provide detailed score of hero draft...
I will start to code Vergil this weekend or next week.
Since for this contest there's no concrete similarities between all the heroes, perhaps i'll code some other heroes from this contest after Vergil...
Thanks alll for you participation !



The playable version will be playable Soon, take a look at the playable hero repository !

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:drun:Downloadable at the Playable Hero Repository (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=335520)

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Criterias





Hero Draft:

:bloo: Concept & Originality /50
Judge how original and creative the hero concept is. Concept means something overall and thematic not the details.

:swif: Abilities /80
How unique the abilities are to the current form of Heroes Of Newerth.



:Codex: Ability 1 /20
:Codex: Ability 2 /20
:Codex: Ability 3 /20
:Codex: Ultimate /20


:phar: Synergy /70
How synergy (or possible combos) the hero's skillset contains, while fulfilling the hero's role.

:chip: Gameplay & Fun Factor /60
How entertaining is the hero to use. Also judge the hero's playstyle, suitability to current form of Heroes Of Newerth.

:hamm: Simplicity /25
How easily the general effects of the hero's abilities are understood.

:andr: Balance /15
How well the hero avoids obvious and crippling imbalances.

______________________________________


Bonus Points:

:Doombringer: Unbalanced /-20
Penalties for imbalanced factor in the hero. Only serious imbalances that cannot be balanced at all will be counted here.
Slight overpowers or underpowers are excluded.

:frostburn: Cosmetics /10
Give bonus points for entries with really appealing visuals.

:pebb: Main Challenge /50
:Genjuro: Bonus Challenge /20

______________________________________


- Hero Draft /300
- Bonus Points /80

Final Score :
(Hero Draft + Bonus Points)



Template:




Hero Draft:

:bloo: Concept & Originality /50
Judge how original and creative the hero concept is. Concept means something overall and thematic not the details.

:swif: Abilities /80
How unique the abilities are to the current form of Heroes Of Newerth.



:Codex: Ability 1 /20
:Codex: Ability 2 /20
:Codex: Ability 3 /20
:Codex: Ultimate /20


:phar: Synergy /70
How synergy (or possible combos) the hero's skillset contains, while fulfilling the hero's role.

:chip: Gameplay & Fun Factor /60
How entertaining is the hero to use. Also judge the hero's playstyle, suitability to current form of Heroes Of Newerth.

:hamm: Simplicity /25
How easily the general effects of the hero's abilities are understood.

:andr: Balance /15
How well the hero avoids obvious and crippling imbalances.

______________________________________


Bonus Points:

:Doombringer: Unbalanced /-20
Penalties for imbalanced factor in the hero. Only serious imbalances that cannot be balanced at all will be counted here.
Slight overpowers or underpowers are excluded.

:frostburn: Cosmetics /10
Give bonus points for entries with really appealing visuals.


:pebb: Main Challenge /50
:Genjuro: Bonus Challenge /20

______________________________________


- Hero Draft /300
- Bonus Points /80

Final Score :
(Hero Draft + Bonus Points)

[DrPeckers]

Hi Ho, Hi Ho. Its off to work we go.

[MaTz0r]

Do I need to do a new hero? I have a really awsome hero that I did for an old context that didnt work it out, so the hero is alredy there :D

[Melto]

Hi Ho, Hi Ho. Its off to work we go.

Lol DrPeckers !!! Thanks !



I added a Rule which answers your question Matz0r.



You can use a Draft of one of your hero made before contest as long as it hasn't been used in another contest and as long as you put in the title [D2L-2].




Also, did I clearly explained the interskill interaction concept?

[MaTz0r]

Like, I made the hero for the context, but the context didn't happen at all xD So I can still use the hero now with some adjustments, right?:O

[Melto]

which contest was it ?

I hope it isn't the agility pusher contest ?

[MaTz0r]

No, it was for Ninjapants Seed skill! I don't know if the topic still exist :/ the hero now is int, but she should be an agi, so I think it fits this contest.

[Melto]

No pb, remember that you can have 2 entries ...!!!

[MaTz0r]

It feels that this hero is made for this contest...even the bonus points :D

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?295168-HPC1-Scarlet

[MasterGeese]

Cool, I've got a hero that fits these criteria perfectly already! I'll get it up soon!

EDIT: I now present: Vergil (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?415697-D2L-2-Vergil&p=15077224#post15077224)

[Drasha]

Requirements to easy must resist giving my self an even harder restriction.

[Apostate]

Ill participate.

I'd be happy to judge in contests if judges are still needed?

[Melto]

Ill participate.

I'd be happy to judge in contests if judges are still needed?
Yes judge are needed ! All right , but for those who wants to be judjeWn rather ask me from PM !

[Beroya]

The Witch (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?416089-D2L-2-The-Witch)

There's my entry.

[Melto]

Care for confusion between interskill interaction and Synergy or Forced Synergy !
When synergy will already be needed in a Hero Draft, Interskill interaction is a Specific Concept...

[Skyve]

Care for confusion between interskill interaction and Synergy or Forced Synergy !
When synergy will already be needed in a Hero Draft, Interskill interaction is a Specific Concept...

Then I think you should make a better description of what you mean. Do you mean things like Pebbles or Chippers combos? (Which is what people often understand as forced synergy, although Pebbles, or rather Tiny, started out as a bug)

[Melto]

Ok ! Maybe my english isn't good enough to explain you well what I mean, so I think tomorrow, I'll do a Hero Draft to show you guys what I mean ok?

[lolsworth]

It's funny how Gunblade and Blitz are pretty good fits for this contest lol

Check out my entry Darkfire Imp (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?416634-D2L-2-Darkfire-Imp&p=15082397#post15082397)

[Melto]

It's funny how Gunblade and Blitz are pretty good fits for this contest lol

Check out my entry Darkfire Imp (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?416634-D2L-2-Darkfire-Imp&p=15082397#post15082397)

Blitz and Gunblade, it is more Synergy than interskill interaction...

I'll edit the first post... please take a look at it... I'll put a hero draft showing what i meant by interskill interactions...

Here the Draft: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?416664-D2L-2-Slash-(An-Explanation-to-what-Interskill-Interaction-meant-to-be-)

Can please someone tell me after reading the Hero draft, if my definition of interskill interaction wasn't good, or understandable, and how would you reformulate it...

[GeneralGrind]

Here is my entry

Shadow Dancer (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?402295-D2L-2-Shadow-Dancer-%28Working-Title%29)

[Apostate]

My initial understanding was that the hero could be either agility OR intelligence. It seems the OP has been changed. I very much want to make my entry Intelligence. Can this be changed back please?


Melto, this wording for the skill interaction is more clear, I believe. Use this:


Interaction between skills means specifically that two or more of the hero's abilities effect the casting or use of the other skills when cast alongside each other. Both skills must have separate, individual issues as well. For example, Skill Q causes X effect, Skill W causes Y effect. When Skill Q is used directly after Skill W, Y effect is somehow modified by X effect.

[Melto]

lol, it has never been either int or agi lol... can't you swap it to agi with an int playstyle? or it is a problem with the story,lore and your hero need to look like a mage? What about Genjuro?

Anyway thanks for your help for the definition of interskill interactions.

[Ahimtar]

just found this, im probably gonna enter, already have an idea, although im not sure if my synergy is that what you want... nevermind, ill see :D

btw does damp charges count as the interskill synergy?

[Melto]

Yes, It is, even if it is more delayed I.I.

Ultimate isn't useless by itself, but casted along or before an ability, it change it's effects !
That it...

We should list all Interskill interaction of heroes in the game...

[Melto]

:zeph:'s Tornadoes (W) + Ult (R) which grants full tornados without killing...
:drac:'s Ult (R) + Fiery Barrage (E), Spawn flame zone on each attack with ult. (need confirmation?)
:arti:'s Bunker Down (W) which give damage power to skills which giving attack damage boost (need confirmation?)
:souls:'s Ult (R) on which damage is boosted by number of souls.
:trem:'s Boris (R) which inherits Impalers (E)
:damp:'s Ult (R) which grant charge and boost other abilities's damage.
:chip:'s tar and rocket which burns the target
's flash freeze 's stun is improved by stacks frost from other skills
:wret:'s Ult which applies Haunt according to skill 1
:arte:'s dance of death which grants more charges of arcane bolt and reduce cd of arcane missile
:arma:'s spine burst released by taking armodillo damage (sides and back)
:pebb:'s infamous Stalagmite + Chuck combo which deals ~900 instead of ~600
:flux:'s skill E which swaps polarity and change effects while giving attack range.
:drun:'s Drink which boosts other abilities while healing over time
:mali:'s dual Sword which boots and change effects of his sword throw
:gaun:'s infernal instability which grants full charge to Enfeeble

Do I missed some of them?

[ghnurbles]

Additions:
:wild:'s Wild ability affects both himself and Booboo specifically (:warb:'s affect all units under his command by comparison)
:defi:'s Power in Death, though the effect by itself is pretty negligible
:para:'s Draining Venom is applied to Infested creeps
:ello:'s Flash Freeze improves with charges from her other abilities

Removals:
:drac:'s Ult split shot + Fiery Barrage is a synergy rather than an interaction I believe (as the split shot processes all attack modifiers, not Fiery Barrage specifically)
:arti:'s Bunker Down also only synergises with his other skills, rather than interacting with them.

[Melto]

Removal:
:defi: Power in Death which is Forced Synergy because,it is the main role of the skill in itself, the skill does nothing more than boost other abilities...

[ghnurbles]

Yeah I put Power in Death because it does boost movespeed by itself, but like I said the effect's negligible.

Time to start on a entry or two methinks.

[Melto]

;) ! Good Luck with it ! Try to put priority to high interskill interactions and genjuro !

[Apostate]

Weird, coulda sworn there was the option to do Intelligence before. Oh well.

[Ahimtar]

Okay, my beta-version of entry, the Fel Arcanist (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?419357-D2L-2-Fel-Arcanist&p=15093541#post15093541). she is a little bit more complicated than i wanted to and less useful ^^, but i definitely need some response, thanks :)

[DrPeckers]

Was about to say I added Undulaia for the contest, but since you are being so strict about the agi only side, I guess I am going to have to go only with a unique hero to he contest.

On another note, can the hero be a remake from one of Skyve's early contests?

[Melto]

Was about to say I added Undulaia for the contest, but since you are being so strict about the agi only side, I guess I am going to have to go only with a unique hero to he contest.

On another note, can the hero be a remake from one of Skyve's early contests?

yes, as long as it is a remake and the hero rocks lol !

[MaTz0r]

I bet its Jack Bombadil o;!

[Melto]

Updated first post !
Please inform me, If i forgot someone !

[Melto]

No more motivated skilled judges?

[ChillyWater]

Is it still open? :3

[Melto]

You mean for the heroes in the contest, or for judging?
For both Yes

[ChillyWater]

My entry: Phantom Huntress (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?420572-D2L-2-Phantom-Huntress) - though still balancing and thinking about reworking ultimate

[Melto]

Updated List ! Tell me If i forgot someone !

Do you need a bit more time(about 1 week) to create and/or tweak your hero?

Don't forget that the main challenger of this contest is to have create and agility carry and/or ganker with interskill interaction or a good system of interskill interactions, the main challenger mark will be about that !

Good Luck with the bit of time you got to tweak and balance your hero !

[ChillyWater]

I would love a bit more time :3

[Melto]

no pb !

[ChillyWater]

Um.. Melto - Can you read Phantom Huntress and tell me if I explained everything well? I don't want to me misunderstood ^.^

Also, do we need to tell whoever is reading/judging why Genjuro is core and how there is interskill interactions?

[Melto]

ok done !

[Melto]

Deadline should be... next friday or the friday after... get ready !

[Melto]

Deadline Updated ! This Friday, the 1st JUNE !!!

Get ready guys ! Final tweak & balancing 1 week moar !!

good luck

[Drasha]

Cetos (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?425359-D2L-2-Cetos&p=15129286#post15129286)

Haven't posted this guy on the forums yet lots of fun mechanics.

[Melto]

Updated Hero list !

Did I forgot someone?

Please note, that the main original challenge of this contest is High Interskill interaction !
Hero who don't have a slight of Interskill interaction, will have high Penality or even a Disqualification... !!!

[Drasha]

assuming this is still open and you didn't just forget to change the status to closed...

I also want to submit squirtle (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?347755-D2L-2-Poke-Squirtle&p=14442298#post14442298) but he might be breaking the can't win any other contest rule since he won the poke contest.

[Melto]

assuming this is still open and you didn't just forget to change the status to closed...

I also want to submit squirtle (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?347755-D2L-2-Poke-Squirtle&p=14442298#post14442298) but he might be breaking the can't win any other contest rule since he won the poke contest.


As you said, that would make too much derogations... deadline / another contest ! I can't really accept it...
I've already seen your hero , he's very very good ! What do you need more for your hero ! A playable version?
It would be better to let the glory for some other good heroes in this contest ! isn't it?

Anyway, I was out this weekend ! But the Part I of Contest is Over !


We will proceed with judging !

[Skyve]

assuming this is still open and you didn't just forget to change the status to closed...

I also want to submit squirtle (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?347755-D2L-2-Poke-Squirtle&p=14442298#post14442298) but he might be breaking the can't win any other contest rule since he won the poke contest.

Unless you're talking about another contest that I'm not aware of, your entry didn't "win". Deva's Chansey did.

And checking it tells me that that is true :P

[MaTz0r]

Yeah, me zubat wasn't even close D: just because he is a really annoying hero <3

[Melto]

Zubat = totally ZOMG annoying pkmn...

[MaTz0r]

And I turned him into an annoying hero :D

[Drasha]

Unless you're talking about another contest that I'm not aware of, your entry didn't "win". Deva's Chansey did.

And checking it tells me that that is true :P

hm did i win the one before that? I should have won the pokemon contest!!! I can live with poor bubbles not being in this contest I just had a eureka moment when looking through my dream heroes that he fit perfectly into this contest as well.

[DrPeckers]

Ya, swift spin fit this contest perfectly.

[Melto]

Still Judging... don't worry !

[Melto]

The New incoming Hero would have a great rank in this contest ! :)

[MaTz0r]

I thoght the same! haha

[Melto]

I thoght the same! haha

Hahaha !!

Anyway soon the results !

[Melto]

Results should be here today or tomorrow !

[Melto]

The winner is Vergil by Master Geese...



||FinalScore||Rank
Vergil by MasterGeese||302||1
Shadow Dancer by GeneralGrind||299||2
The Monk by Matz0r||287||3
Scarlet by Matz0r||285||4
Cetos by Drasha||276||5
The Elven Champion by Babylon7k||273||6
Halfman by GeneralGrind||270||7
Elite Mage Painter by Melto||267||8
Fel Arcanist by Ahimtar||264||9
Siegfried by DrPeckers||259||10
Jackal Undertaker by DrPeckers||253||11
Darkfire Imp by lolsworth||249||12
Incanter by Beroya||243||13
The Witch by Beroya||181||14
The Spectral Archeress by McStealer||---||DQ
The Suppressor by McStealer||---||DQ


Awards of Originality:
High Originality and good concept

Cetos by Drasha
Halfman by GeneralGrind



Awards of Fun Factor:
High entertainement Level

The Monk by Matz0r
Vergil by MasterGeese



Awards of Challenges:
Respect of Main Challenges and Bonus challenges

Shadow Dancer by GeneralGrind
Scarlet by Matz0r
Elite Mage Painter by Melto
Fel Arcanist by Ahimtar



Awards of Skillset:
Uniqueness of Abilities, alone and together

The Elven Champion by Babylon7k
The Monk by Matz0r





I will not provide detailed score of hero draft...
I will start to code Vergil this weekend or next week.
Since for this contest there's no concrete similarities between all the heroes, perhaps i'll code some other heroes from this contest after Vergil...
Thanks alll for you participation !

[MaTz0r]

Third and Forth with a lot of awards, cool :D

[GeneralGrind]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_98cJLkIKlo/T1twwm5L7dI/AAAAAAAABZk/cGTWRuF3Nyw/s1600/so+close.png

Damn, wanted the hat-trick!

Anywho, this competition had a lot of great suggestions so I'm very thrilled to be that close. As for the winner:

I nod, approvingly.

[MaTz0r]

Always one position behind general grind, damm! Someone is getting mudered today <3

[McStealer]

Oh noo i lost :(

[Drasha]

Finally! 5th place isn't to bad at least i beat out peckers.

[Melto]

Oh noo i lost :(
Your heroes didn't met the requirments for the contest... TOO BAD ! I told u...

[DrPeckers]

Finally! 5th place isn't to bad at least i beat out peckers.

My heroes really didn't fit this contest...

[MasterGeese]

Wow, I actually won? While only placing in 1 of the award categories? I wonder what happened there...

In all honesty, many thanks to Melto for hosting the contest, and for willing to code the winners.

And thanks to the Devil May Cry series AND Ultimate Marvel versus Capcom 3 for obvious inspiration reasons.

I wonder what to do now... iirc this means there are no other contests running ATM. Maybe I could work on my Dante draft some more...

[Beroya]

The results do not surprise me. It's what happens every time the judges are actively involved in the creative process for the entries. I'll be sure to judge in future contests when possible, if only to show the other judges what true neutrality is.

[MaTz0r]

So, do you think the winner should be another hero?:P

[Beroya]

Definitely, I critiqued the first place hero far before the end of the contest, pointing out an obvious flaw in its design, to which it was never fixed. Said design flaw is a how skill 1 consumes multiples charges from skills 2 and 4.

[MaTz0r]

Well, but then that is your opnium, that is valid I guess. There are other judges too, so it will be a mix of notes, and I think this is just for fun, isnt it?:P I don't know if there isn't any design that is flawless I guess, and a lot more design flaws in this competition....ca you point out a hero in this competition that is flawless?:P

[Beroya]

It was not my job to find such a hero as I was not a judge, but I know for a fact that the one in first was not deserving of a >100%. I'd love to see a breakdown of the points, if not for what specifically the judges found so fantastic about the heroes, then to at least minimize the probability of corruption of the final tally.

[MasterGeese]

Read the post at the top of the page. Melto specifically said he would publish a full rubric of everyone's hero. Probably because people will whine and ***** to him about the tiniest things.

If you want to get into a heated discussion over how flawed Vergil is then PM me. I don't think a flame war is going to go over well in this thread.

[Beroya]

First:

I will not provide detailed score of hero draft...

Second, I'm focusing the conversation on this contest, not your hero. Someone asked, I gave a response and continued to keep the focus of the discussion on the contest. I'd still like to see the details.

[Melto]

First:


Second, I'm focusing the conversation on this contest, not your hero. Someone asked, I gave a response and continued to keep the focus of the discussion on the contest. I'd still like to see the details.


1st, Whatever you will say, the rank aren't going to change.

2nd, as I said, I will not provide more about the marks, score and Scoreboard.

3rd, Awards are totally independant from the scoreboard, and are just given by appreciation of Draft...

4th, Beroya, I think You're complaining more about the fact that your hero don't have good score enough, but you hide this under, a corruption matter which doesn't exist at all...
Why would judges favor an hero over another other than?

5th, 300 isn't a perfect score, all draft here aren't perfect... none should have perfect score... a Normalization is done on, points range and the favourite hero of each judge are granted 10 extra points...

Beroya, for the next contest I would like you to be a judge, to see the work behind all this ok?

If you still have to complain, tell me what your drafts has more that the Top 5 of this contest?

[GeneralGrind]

Any way we could know which hero were the favorite of each of the judges?

Also, I would like to thank you Melto for making these contests and also Apostate and DrPeckers for taking the time to judge all of this.


Always one position behind general grind, damm! Someone is getting mudered today <3

Don't muder me!

[MaTz0r]

I would like to know which hero were the favorite of each judge too :D

[Melto]

I would like to know which hero were the favorite of each judge too :D

As I said, we won't provide informations about the marks for the moment !

EDIT: If you really want to know guys, we'll not show the breakdown because, due to the unbalance of the number of hero voted by us the judges, making some of the marks biaised...
I don't want to show the breakdown only for this reason... and not for dark purpouse or that we weigthed the score...
Also, If you read well, there's 300 + 80 points, so the max is 380, plus the favourite heroes points, Normalisation can change a bit the scales of the points...
Don't worry, marks are still made to heroes according to their content and quality...

[Chime]

Hmm, of course i notice this when its OVER. Pretty sure i couldve rattled a win or something up the arms, had a lot of time where ive been bored and thought about some things.

Anyways, gratz to everyone but McStealer, for you its a shame :(

[Melto]

Vergil (I mean Slaybre) will be soon playable

Soon soon !

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:drun:Downloadable at the Playable Hero Repository (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=335520)

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[DrPeckers]

Will there be another DtL contest in the near future or are you tuckered out from the last one?

[Melto]

I got another Idea for a New One, Soon ! ;)

[Melto]

Hero is Available in Playable Hero Repository ! Go Test it ! NAOW !!! It is as honmod file tell me if you don't know how to use it...

Thanks all for your Participation ! Can someone (who has the Power to do it) put this post to archives with other contests next week ?(based on the date of this post)

[Drasha]

Just reminded one of use when its been a week if not we will remember eventually. Good contest :D

[Melto]

Updated Playable Version of Slaybre