Blood Hunter WAY overpowered

[TheForilla]

Is it just me or is the Blood Hunter incredibly overpowered? Even at low levels it seems like the BH does way more damage and can take more hits than anything else available

[Illyrian]

Well, that's because he regenerates life when he last hits creeps or denies. If there's someone playing him who is amazing at last hitting he is extremely hard to kill at low level.

He's not really overpowered though, his autoattack does sod all damage, rupture is only really useful for killing fleeing enemies. His best ability in my opinion is the low health radar, If i'm playing him and they have an invis hero i'll stand on top of the invis hero at low health after they disappear so that my team can see where the enemy is.

[Stormzors]

His been smashed in every game that his played. I haven't played as him yet but every Blood Hunter I've seen has just been pwned early game and then can't do squat.

[Krowser]

He has the same stats he had in DOTA, right?

You just havent found a way to counter him.

The good 'ol 5v1 works every time for me.

[Glorify1]

He's weaker than his DotA counterpart.

[Tokijin`]

Try a stun or two and see what happens to him.

[Darwin]

play a hero with a debuff remover and watch the blood seeker cry when his ult goes byby

[comp615]

Yeah I think he's very good, even excellent, with the right person playing him, but I don't think he's OP.

[Dergeist]

If i'm playing him and they have an invis hero i'll stand on top of the invis hero at low health after they disappear so that my team can see where the enemy is.

Your team can see the red dot same as you. You don't have to stand right on top of them.

[TurpinoS]

Homecoming Stone

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[Rippsy]

He's weaker than his DotA counterpart.

What makes him weaker in HoN then DotA?


hes not op....

Why?


I think Blood Hunter is currently the same in HoN as he is in DotA, maybe even a little stronger in DotA it "feels" like he regens more life from creep kills in HoN but that might just be the size of the HP bar and my tiny little brain getting annoyed at players who can list hit really well!

[Bahamut]

cuz in dota u can atack invi heroes, in HoN u cant

[sockety]

I just don't understand why Jeriziah's Omni shell doesn't take off the silence/damage debuff off other heroes.

[obstacle_1]

try counter with Predator ;)

[KatyPerry]

Homecoming Stone

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This!

[Vodka]

Homecoming Stone

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Except you know....if he's smart he'll silence you before/while you're using the stone.

[Elmy]

Except you know....if he's smart he'll silence you before/while you're using the stone.

Which... won't do anything at all!

[Frog100]

Except you know....if he's smart he'll silence you before/while you're using the stone.

Not if he's smart he won't

[Ryno2112]

Silence doesn't stop you from using items.

If you're playing against blood hunter in EM you'll notice he's very powerful, this is the nature of EM. I'll go over how to counter a Blood Hunter.

1) Having TP scrolls forces him to get the item equivalent of MKB in order to ministun your scroll out. The majority of Blood Hunters wont do it either because on the whole, it's a waste.

2)Purging yourself of hemorrage also hurts him. if you're an agi carry, chances are you should ahve diffusal anyways.

3) Press "H" as soon as you see the spell effects for hemorage, not moving drastically decreases the damage. if he can't get kills he wont have the damage to kill you next to a tower. if you think you can take the hemorage damage and still not be at low hp then go ahead and take your leap but it generally isn't a good idea.

4) Don't farm alone take a friend everywhere you go, doing this will dispell any real fear of the blood hunter

[Vodka]

Which... won't do anything at all!

Oh, ok, I just saw the post above me...well that's good then.

[Kietharr]

If bloodhunter is on enemy team carry a homecoming stone, period. If he ruptures port home and boom, he just wasted his ult and you can have the rest of your team kill him.

[JumJum]

play a hero with a debuff remover and watch the blood seeker cry when his ult goes byby

Like Arachna! \o/

[damican]

just as good as he is in dota. Very powerful ganker, strong late carry, easy to take down in a coordinated gank, hard to solo with all but a few heroes.

[Lethe]

If bloodhunter is on enemy team carry a homecoming stone, period. If he ruptures port home and boom, he just wasted his ult and you can have the rest of your team kill him.

You should always have a homecoming stone regardless.

I do enjoy playing him when the other team has madman, scout or wild beast. Besides that, I would rather play a more fun hero :P

[Dick_Assman]

That being said, Blood Hunter is about as much fun you can have when playing with uncoordinated people.

[Jaalii]

The only overpowered part of him is his ultimate. The rest of his skills are weaker than in DOTA. His ultimate in this game ticks down a lot faster when someone is moving.

[Colcut]

Ive got mates who play him, trust me theres counters. Stop his ult, you will generally win.

[GaIactic]

BLOODHUNTER is overpowered?!? Seriously??? He's not even as strong as Bloodseeker was!

^_-;

[_Archangel_]

This sticky thread (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=4001) has some good guidelines you should follow before posting threads like this. The first is PROBABLY this one:


2) If you're playing Easy Mode then please consider playing normal mode before suggesting something is imba or OP. Easy Mode by natrue is imbalanced as the extra gold gain and weaker towers make the game easier for heroes like Blood Hunter who are item dependant and have ways to tower dive and survive.

and if you're not talking about easy mode, these ones:


4) Certain heroes are going to dish out more damage than others. Pyro will usually dish out far more damage than puppetmaster, and Legionair willb e able to take in more damage than moon queen. This ties in with their roles in a game. Don't create a thread asking for a skill on a support hero to be buffed to include damage. Imagine if Polly Priest's "hex" was given a buff of the target taking X% amount more damage? He'd then not only be an insanely good disabler but he'd become a hero killer at the same time. Roles and overall picture are very important to considering balance with heroes.


5) The majority of the heroes are time tested and at a state of balance. Please look at the hero you have an issue with first and find out if it's a port or a new hero. If it's a port chances are it's balanced or weaker than others. I'd suggest looking for those who ahve obviously played DotA for a while and ask what their opinion is on the port before posting your issue in this thread.

And most definitely this one, because there are currently over 9000 "nerf Blood Hunter!" threads:


6) use the search function. If it's truly an issue, most likely there's already a topic on it. There doesn't need to be over nine thousand threads for one topic. The search function is great and will allow you to add your two cents to the topic if it already exists.

[Glorify1]

What makes him weaker in HoN then DotA?

You can't attack those you see with your ult, HUGE HUGE nerf, as this was a very effective way of finishing enemies with stealth.

Also, bloodseeker is just strong against most conventional solo mids, as he can easily mitigate their burst pressure with regen through last hits. His level 1 silence is serious business harass, and makes it so people can't simply run at you recklessly. Finally, his ult has a very low cooldown and assures a kill in most situations. If you silence, they can't followup with any protective stuns or spells to keep themselves alive, and you just beat them to death if they stand still.

Either way, he's very fragile, and easily disabled. He requires too much gear to be an effective carry, but also needs a BKB to stay alive in fights, so there is far too much he needs to farm.

[Karmashock]

You can't attack those you see with your ult, HUGE HUGE nerf, as this was a very effective way of finishing enemies with stealth.

Also, bloodseeker is just strong against most conventional solo mids, as he can easily mitigate their burst pressure with regen through last hits. His level 1 silence is serious business harass, and makes it so people can't simply run at you recklessly. Finally, his ult has a very low cooldown and assures a kill in most situations. If you silence, they can't followup with any protective stuns or spells to keep themselves alive, and you just beat them to death if they stand still.

Either way, he's very fragile, and easily disabled. He requires too much gear to be an effective carry, but also needs a BKB to stay alive in fights, so there is far too much he needs to farm.
I think you can cast your silence effect on people once you get very close... that happened to me repeatedly in a game tonight when I played Night Hound.


Every time I was low health the blood hunter had me even though I was invisible and he had no anti invisibility items.


I asked him how he did it... and he said if he got really close he could see me.:(


It was savage... it was entirely hopeless.:o

[Zozamex]

I think hes kinda overpowered aswell.

[Marko_RS]

No he is not...as some1 sad before, just stop his ulti and u win. PUNTo

[Llama]

If I could say change one thing, it would be to have the silence only castable on allies or maybe just yourself. While the base dmg might handy to some heroes, the ones silence are likely to be casted on are such like polly, whos dps is still crap even with the buff, and now completely useless, as the CD on silence is only 10 secs, when at lvl4 it lasts for 15

[Aegd]

I've got a question. Didn't bloodseeker get his STR gain nerfed in 6.60? I also get the feeling that this guy has higher base damage than his DOTA counterpart. However, that could just be my imagination and the fact that item damage and base damage all seem to get squashed together in HoN

[willtsay]

no he didnt get his STR gain nerfed, i just checked the changelogs, the one on getdota :P.

"Every time I was low health the blood hunter had me even though I was invisible and he had no anti invisibility items."

hmm i distinctly remember going right next to a scout that was vanished and i couldnt hit him, i was basically right on top of him, that was a few versions ago tho so i don't know if they ever changed it XP.

[Glorify1]

I think you can cast your silence effect on people once you get very close... that happened to me repeatedly in a game tonight when I played Night Hound.


Every time I was low health the blood hunter had me even though I was invisible and he had no anti invisibility items.


I asked him how he did it... and he said if he got really close he could see me.:(


It was savage... it was entirely hopeless.:o

What you think and what is actually true are two completely different things. Unless they ninja'd in a change to the skill, then he was definately lying to you, because you can't see them other than where they are with the ring.


If I could say change one thing, it would be to have the silence only castable on allies or maybe just yourself. While the base dmg might handy to some heroes, the ones silence are likely to be casted on are such like polly, whos dps is still crap even with the buff, and now completely useless, as the CD on silence is only 10 secs, when at lvl4 it lasts for 15
This is what makes him a decent hero, it would be completely retarded to have this put in and would absolutely kill the hero.

[Tenrou]

cuz in dota u can atack invi heroes, in HoN u cant

You forgot to mention that in dota, bloodseeker's thirst actually give you vision of the dying heroes instead of just a red circle on the screen. I thought he was pretty balanced in dota even with that.

[willtsay]

ya i loved how you got a a ring around the hero so you could see it very easily through fog and minimap.

[Anura]

The typica starting items for hims are Boots + Tango. Yes, i said Boots. The reason is with amazing last hit + deny skills his early-game survival is unbelieveable.

And yes, he gets healed when denying, which is getting close to the edge of being OP.

[brn4meplz]

His 15 second silence is fantastic, It's what makes him a good hero and a Team player, His Ult is strong, but any player worth their weight knows how to mitigate his ultimate. It's the Silence that allows you to shut down casters and the other High survivability Agility heroes like Magebane/Scout/madman if your going to gank any of these guys you need the Silence to keep them visible and if it's a Gank the +80% base dmg doesn't matter all that much. especially on Magebane, most people **** bricks when they realize they cannot blink

[BodyHammer]

If I could say change one thing, it would be to have the silence only castable on allies or maybe just yourself. While the base dmg might handy to some heroes, the ones silence are likely to be casted on are such like polly, whos dps is still crap even with the buff, and now completely useless, as the CD on silence is only 10 secs, when at lvl4 it lasts for 15

I'm pretty sure Silence doesn't mean what you think it means.

Either way, you don't remove the only skill that makes a hero nothing more than EM fodder.

[Marko_RS]

But ryl blood hunter should be buffed. I mean wtf, not being able to attack when they are low hp and invis. IT should be like in DotA. Look it at this way, if u know where he is, u see a red dot all u need to do is swing and attack him (if u look from a real life point). They acatualy made blood hunter little retarded. MAKE him attack also when enemy is invis and low hp.

Some here don't understand how that hero weak is. There is some skill needed if u want to make him own. What i suggest is ganking at lvl 6, as u can early game kill at least 5 or more times.

As the game goes and enemy gets stronger, when u use that utli on him they have hp and will stop or move a little,your ulty is only usefull late or mid game (im talking about a team that knows how to deal blood hunter), in this kind of situation your ulti is so usless, so mid or late game, more for late game, u are depandant on your team. They need to protect u so u can inflict massive dmg. Your base dmg will be ofc if u use your first and got some nice items 480-500+.

Also what is very imba with this here is if u buy battlefury, u should try to fight an enemy next to creeps or in creap waves, so u watch the hp of thoes creeps and last hit one, probably more of them will die. U get a massive heal...

[Karmashock]

What you think and what is actually true are two completely different things. Unless they ninja'd in a change to the skill, then he was definately lying to you, because you can't see them other than where they are with the ring.
That's what I thought because I have played him... but I looked at his items repeatedly and he had NO anti invisibility. He also killed me every single time I triggered his blood sense.


So perhaps there is an exploit that you're not aware of... because he got me every time. I was not hemorrhaging... I was running away... and he chased me down and killed me every time. The chasing bit was not unexpected. But when he got on top of me he caste silence, my cloak failed, and he killed me.


Have you ever tried casting the silence on the red dot when you've gotten very close? I haven't... but that's what he says he did.:(

[Darwin]

Pyro will usually dish out far more damage than puppetmaster (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=4001)

Not if you play him like i play him 4k crits hurt like a truck

[Zetsu2]

Hmm, maybe it's just me being noob (lol, I am pretty noob), but anyway, I find it very, very hard to survive in a "battle" with Blood Hunter in it. Like if you are blood hunter and are meeting someone - use ulti, then silence - congratulations, you have one more kill. You can't move, and you can't do any spells to prevent yourself from dying. Seems like the ulti has way to long duration too...

Well, if I've read this thread and understood it right, you could just buy an item to "remove" his attacks or something? I'm really not very good on the items, so some tips for a "half noob" like me is appreciated!

[Kazakov]

Surely you've seen someone fail with Styrwygr back in DotA? Well, you can fail just as hard with Blood Hunter. If you don't dominate early, you're just about screwed. Blood Hunter is by nature a janitor. So put on the hat and grab the mop if you want to get awesome with him.

[Sabre]

I really wish mods would be a little more pro-active and close threads like this, especially when the search function yields so many similar results.

[feedtheid]

Bloodseeker doesn't get vision of opposing heroes in dota. They show up on the minimap, sort of like Bloodhunter's red dot mechanic, except on the minimap instead of on your screen. In dota, you can definitely autoattack invisible units if you've got Strywyr's thirst on, and I wouldn't put it past HoN to be able to do the same thing. This isn't overpowered; it's just how it goes. The strength of BS/BH is people's reaction to rupture/hemo. If they run, you win. People that are calm and composed don't.

There's a reason people are shouting overpowered, and it's not because BS/BH is. It's because they don't know how to react.

[feedtheid]

Well, if I've read this thread and understood it right, you could just buy an item to "remove" his attacks or something? I'm really not very good on the items, so some tips for a "half noob" like me is appreciated!

They're talking about the homecoming stone, what amounts to a town portal scroll. Use it and teleport to your base while you have hemmorhage on; while BH uselessly flails at you, you're home and he's wasted his ult. This is the single most powerful counter to BH, and one that makes him impotent for the majority of the game, barring some crazy teamfights.

[humpage]

hes not OP... prob most of you run when his ultimate is on you.. fyi his ulti does dmg the more you run he isnt op and is balanced and can be killed if you know what ur doing.

[Digicon]

There's a reason people are shouting overpowered, and it's not because BS/BH is. It's because they don't know how to react.

This. Took the words straight out of my mouth. People unfamiliar with the mechanics only exacerbate the problem when they attempt to run away. If anything is OP I'd just say it's new to dota players that realize that even not playing BS you can see low HP enemy heroes as they are trying to run back to base.

[bchurch]

Except you know....if he's smart he'll silence you before/while you're using the stone.

Uhhhhhhh does silence stop items now in Hon?

[humpage]

it always has............................................... .............................

[ltachi]

Last time i played BH i wasn't able to autoattack invis heros when my bloodradar made them "visible". If that didn't change he could need a buff, but definitly no nerf.

[Josh92]

people need to stop replying to balance threads when the OP plays nothing but -em

[Cerbie]

You forgot to mention that in dota, bloodseeker's thirst actually give you vision of the dying heroes instead of just a red circle on the screen. I thought he was pretty balanced in dota even with that.

Agreed.

You should be able to attack low HP stealth chars. The red dot is lame..

Edit:
They should appear on MINI MAP as well when low HP like Bloodseeker in Dota.

[Evil_Andrex]

There's a way to beat him. First don't get low health. If he rupture u stand ur ground and god head on! You have nothing to loose

[Mistico]

There's a way to beat him. First don't get low health. If he rupture u stand ur ground and god head on! You have nothing to loose
nothing to loose... only ur life ^^

but yes... if you are low healt and he rupture you... you are already dead... at least make one good thing before die... DAMAGE HIM AS MUCH AS YOU CAN! ^^ if you do it enougth others can kill him even with his regen after death ^^

[Evil_Andrex]

Ur dead if u run if u stay u hurt him and die.... I would take him with me....

[kingcomrade]

He's a very annoying hero who ensures ganks go well. He's not really overpowered, but he is very strong if he's not alone.