Heroes of Newerth - Lore Facts and Speculations

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As there isn’t any Lore Forum yet, I’ve decided to start a thread that will be dedicated to the facts and speculations surrounding the lore of Heroes of Newerth.

Lore discussions, although usually ignored and underappreciated by most gamers these days contribute to the creative designs of the game. Through lore-related discussions new content such as Heroes, Maps and the like are created without things veering off from the entire game’s feel (as evident by the previous Artillery issue which was now remedied)
I would highly appreciate it if people were to contribute to the topic with their own lore discussions or speculations, and if in my posts I do make some mistakes, then I would love to be corrected.


Heroes of Newerth
What, Where, When, Why?

“Heroes of Newerth” is the name given to the 3rd chapter of the ongoing wars of Newerth, set a number of years after the events of Savage 2: A Tortured Soul.

The setting revolves around the land of Newerth, a huge continent inhabited by the surviving humans and creatures after the events of “The Scar” that tore the old earth asunder.

After their defeat in the hands of the Malphai during “A Tortured Soul” the Legion of Man and the Beast Horde’s leaders: Jereziah and Ophelia called for a ceasefire between their two warring factions and formed an alliance to counter the Malphai threat. From then on they were called “The Legion” and they referred to the daemons of hell ,and those who side with them, as “The Hellbourne”.


The Legion
The Legion is composed of the Legion of Man led by Jereziah and the Beast Horde led by Ophelia. Along with the core ranks are various personalities throughout Newerth and afar that aid the cause of the Legion to stop the ongoing Hellbourne Threat.


The Hellbourne
As embodiments of the negative energies absorbed by the world called daemons, The Hellbourne has no true leader, however there are many entities that rule over the lesser demons to an extent. One example is the previous leader of the Legion, Maliken who has been corrupted by his enthusiasm for dark magic. Joining the daemons are fanatics, slaves and priests of the daemons as well as persons of various reasons.




The information that follows here are mere tidbits and speculation that can be expanded later on, note that these are by no means written to replace the existing lore of each Hero, but simply for clarification, simplification, expansion and speculation.






Facts and Speculations

Heroes

Legion Agility



Night Hound, contrary to his title is in fact of leonine decent, thus he is more of a feline beastkin.





Swiftblade’s armor was uncovered from ancient ruins, thus there is a possibility that ruins that date further back than Old Earth still exist.





Moon Queen is the queen of the Moon Warriors’ hive. The location of the hive is uncertain, but is most likely elevated than underground as the Moon Warriors draw power from the moon’s light.





Wildsoul is a druid inhabiting the forests of Newerth along with his bear booboo, with no sworn allegiance to the Legion.





Zephyr is a wise being that did not participate in any of the previous wars between the Beasts and Man, however had formally joined the Legion to fight the Hellbourne threat.





Magebane is an outcast priest that practices unholy magic that drains mana, although such magic is a heresy and practitioners of such magic are executed, he was drafted into the Legion army still.





Nomad joined the Legion but for his own reasons alone: To hunt down the Sandwraith.





Scouts are men and women of the Legion of Man trained from youth for covert operations.





Andromeda is an amnesiac that quite literally ‘fell from the heavens’ down onto Newerth. Although not part of the Legion itself, her innate sense of morality make her regard the Legion as allies and the Hellbourne as enemies.





Valkyries hail from the cold northern lands far from Newerth, however their civilization has faded out and thus the remnants of the Valkyries that found their way into Newerth joined up with the Legion for the glory of battle.





Engineer is an eccentric builder from the Savage era of the Legion who delved into new inventions and research of Old Earth technology.





Silhouette is an orphan that was trained as a scout, yet has resorted to more direct ways of assassination due to her inability to understand the concept of ‘stealth’.





Emerald Warden is a warrior of an unnamed druidic sect of beastkin, which has killed a number of men (scouts) and daemons that may have wandered off too close to the territory of his sect.





Monkey King has the gift of immortality thanks to the Sefir Tree. After being imprisoned due to his wild antics, he was held by leash and collar under the supervision of Ophelia using the enchanted golden circlet that adorns his head.





Armed to the teeth with the Engineer’s inventions, Master of Arms is one of the generals of Legion army that doesn’t shy away from the use of technology.





Draconis is a spawn of the World Tree which was put into slumber for centuries, now awakened to counter the Hellbourne threat.





Blitz comes from one of the beastkin tribes of Newerth inhabiting its savannas. Having won “The Great Race”, he was granted the opportunity to serve and aid the queen of the beast horde Ophelia in the war of Newerth.


Legion Intelligence



Blacksmiths come from Iron City which is the source of the Legion’s equipment. However due to the dwindling numbers of the Legion, these Blacksmiths were called to the battlefield as well.





Nymphora is a spirit of the woodlands of Newerth that is referred to as a paragon of butterflies and skylarks.





The Thunderbringer, is a long-time Beast Horde shaman and one of the few beastkin that values the protocols and etiquette of the ancient beastkin. He is often seen as conservative and old-fashioned by the rest of the Beast Horde however.





The Pollywog Priest is the title of the chief priest of an unnamed marsh, inhabited by the Wild Cults. He joined the Legion in response to his beast brethren’s calls and for the safety of his people.





Tempests are entities of the ethereal plane long ago summoned by the Beast Horde to aid them in their war.





Ophelia is the Beast Horde’s Queen and half-sister of Jeraziah. Born with the ability to commune with nature, it was rumored that she fled from the Legion of Man due to the actions of her brother in harming her ‘friends’. She returned years later as the Queen of the Beast Horde.





Pyromancers are the “Flame-Touched” members of “The Sacred Order”, born with the mastery of fire and a mad devotion to Sol.





Vindicator is the last of the order of hermits that guarded apocryphal writings of The Prophet within the Great Book which he carries. He ended his exile and rejoined the Legion of Man to fight the Hellbourne.





Witch Slayer comes from the city of Arasunia, a city of worship for Sol. Beast Shamans and Human Sorcerers of the Legion alike doubt him due to his beliefs and practices.





The Chipper is one of the chiprels, an elusive underground-living race that avoid conflict. The Chipper, which was born with intellect that one would not expect from such creatures salvaged old technology to participate in the war against the Hellbourne.





Bubbles was once a pet turtle owned by a powerful wizard, he learned magic through observing and listening to his owner’s incantations. He was transformed into an anthromorphic form after falling into a pool of magical properties.





Bombardier is a goblin and the brother of the infamous goblin scientist Dr. Repulsor. Whether from his goblin blood or personal satisfaction, he enjoys explosions and is accompanied by his best friend and co-enthusiast Twitch.





Empath is one of the unique entities of Newerth, like those before her, her own soul is tied with the life energy of all the creatures of Newerth. With the Hellbourne threatening all life in Newerth, she joins the Legion.





Aluna comes from the Old Earth, wielding the essence of Old Earth itself within the mystical emerald around her neck. She is hailed as a celebrity amongst the citizens of Newerth.





The Martyr is a title given to a priest of Sol that is often called as ‘The Sacrificial Lamb’ for the aid of man. They wield a battle-ready relic and the Codex Solaris, known to march to their certain death, for the glory of Sol.





Rhapsody is a whimsical bard who possesses the ability to fight the daemons with her music. She has a strong hatred towards Slither and respects the leader of the Legion of Man, Jeraziah.





Not to be outdone by the Moon Queen, Monarch who leads an unnamed diurnal insectoid hive joins the war against the Hellbourne as her kin go up and arms as well.





Kinesis is one of the Disciples of the Way, beings that draw energy from within unlike the magi and priests that draw power from other sources.


Legion Strength



Armadon is a pacifist who did not choose between Man or Beast, simply shielding and protecting those weaker than him. He’s somewhat childish, and is often regarded by others as a kid.





Behemoths are huge towering creatures that have existed long before the wars even began. Though normally docile, these giants would wield uprooted trees as weapons and make the earth beneath them tremble. During the Savage eras, Behemoths were one of the most man-feared creatures.





Hammerstorm is the single warrior that survived an onslaught that destroyed his village, he was present during the Savage wars, as a member of King Maliken’s first Legion.
Elementals such as Pebbles which are normally silent have awoken to fight against the Hellbourne.





The Keeper of the Forest is a title given to the strongest amongst the treants of Newerth, whose duty is to protect the forests of Newerth.





Legionnaires are the strongest warriors of the Legion that wield massive battle-axes to cull the weak. They bear the mark of the Legion of Man on their faces, and shave their heads in proud honor. Even though the war against the beasts has ended, they still share a mutual rivalry with the Predators.





Predators are the strongest beasts of the Beast Horde, directly under the command of Ophelia. Their forearms have lance-like claws, and spikes adorning their bodies. With the unrivaled ferocity and desire for the demise of their prey, they are great hunters as well. Although the war against humans has ended, they still share a mutual rivalry with the Legionnaires.





King Jeraziah is the leader of the Legion of Man, successor of King Maliken and the elder brother of the Beast Horde’s Queen Ophelia. Trained as a scout in his youth, rising through the ranks of Legionnaires, he proved to the Legion of Man that his leadership was not attained through blood alone. As a follower of Sol, he is blessed with Sol’s holy light to battle the Hellbourne.





Pandamonium is the last of the chaste race of Panda beastkin from the misty Sang-La mountains which are filled with groves of bamboo.





Rampage is a ranger from the vast plains of Seradati who even before “The Legion” was formed, has been close with the beastkin, imitating their feats of strength with his own. He befriends a rhino and named him Horatio, who he storms through battlefields with.





Tundra lives in the ice-caverns somewhere in the northern edges of Newerth called Frostfield. Although in actuality a white ape shaman, almost no different from Thunder Bringer, he is often mistaken for a wild and unruly beast due to his appearance and demeanor.





The Gladiator, one of the fiercest warriors of the Legion of Man and often one of the most celebrated is the champion of the Legion’s Arena. His skills in the arena are not just for show as his mastery over ancient weaponry often leave opponents writing painfully on the ground.





Flux is a Legionnaire of the Legion that was entrapped within the earth by unknown captors. For the many years that he remained there, he was infused with the power of gravity. Using his newfound powers he created himself an armor of strong metals. During the first few weeks after unearthing himself, he had forgotten who he was and believed himself to be a Hellbourne warrior. Later on however he regained the memories of his life as a Legionnaire and returns to the Legion once again.





The Drunken Master, an apathetic fighter who lives only for the sake of booze. He has not swore any allegiance to any faction, but with his precious booze on the brink of extinction because of the Hellbourne, he will fight.





Midas, who was once formerly known as Auric was a researcher who delved into the ancient arts of alchemy. He achieved the power of transmutation and soon used these powers to his own greed. He is trying to redeem himself by using his powers in fighting the Hellbourne.





Berzerker comes from the frozen northlands, not far from where the Valkyries used to settle. He holds no allegiance to the Legion; he simply lusts for the thrill of the battle.



Hellbourne Agility



Chronos was an artificial soldier created by The Legion of Man, however due to its inability to move be as agile as a living soldier, it was disposed of. It was then obtained by the Hellbourne and given a soul. Whether the soul or the machine itself is what has the mastery of time is unknown.




Slither is also known as “The Serpent of the Seventh Pit”, he feeds on frail bodies and is a personification of deception and cunning. He was summoned on the last few days of the war between Beast and Man. He often haunts Rhapsody, as Rhapsody’s audiences provide him all the despair and suffering he delights in.




Blood Hunter is the leader of the Hunters which used to serve Ophelia within the Beast Horde, however they became joined with the Hellbourne as it has always been their primal instinct to hunt and feast on human blood.




Soulstealer is an entity that dwells in battlefields, stealing the souls of fallen warriors and imprisoning them within a shadowy sack, preventing their souls from reaching Elysian fields.




The Dark Lady is a well known personality amongst the Legion ranks as many fear her as a shadow of death. She wields twin scythe-like blades and has control of the darkness itself.




The Madman is a masked murderer that was confined in the deepest pits of Hell, who is hailed as a pariah by the Hellbourne despite his human origins.




Arachna, although with her insectoid form is actually a Daemon born from the collected fear of spiders in the pits of hell.




Corrupted Disciple was once a member of “The Sacred Order” until he, like King Maliken, traded the sacred flames of Sol for the black magic of the Hellbourne. He carries with him an orb of unknown origin which is the source of his black magic.




Sand Wraith originates from “The Great Waste”, the Sand Wraith is an ancient evil that has existed even before the second coming of the Hellbourne, and may not even be directly tied with the daemons of Hell.




The Forsaken Archer was once a beautiful woodland huntress that was then abducted, raped and later slain by a spurned suitor. With her final breath, she forged a pact with the daemons that came upon her body: to pay in souls to live again. When the deal was signed, her body was restored, yet corrupted and the bones of the very beast she once hunted became her steed.




Fayde is a shadowy embodiment of the lurking evil of hearts of both Men and Beasts, she lurks in the darker corners of Newerth, haunting those who she finds with their own shadows and more.




Tremble is an ancient insectoid that lives deep underground, yet was unable to escape the corruption of the Hellbourne. What was once a silent dweller, has become an undying horror that wreaks havoc on the surface world.




Flint Beastwood originally stalked and hunted Beastkin prey along the Rulian marshes. He was given his name by the humans based on his weaponry and location.




Dampeer used to be a human, yet due to the hardships of war, he turned to cannibalizing corpses and eventually living beings. Such acts led to a monstrous transformation to what he is now.




Gemini was originally two separate entities, elemental creatures of Fire and Ice. However upon their capture, the daemons had cursed them, fused them into a single entity to prevent their escape. Forced to serve the Hellbourne as they are left to no other choice, for if one of them were to try and escape, killing the one that remains would mean both their deaths.




Shadowblade, the drinker of souls is a blade that was forged by the daemon in the pits of the abyss. With the still-beating hearts tempered into its blade, those slain by its edge were to become bound within its cold metal prison and forced to give shape to its infernal form.




Gunblade was once a Lawman, who was driven insane by losing everything he ever knew and cared for in an onslaught of wild beasts. In a manner of self-inflicted scars, he created a pact with hellish entities to exact revenge on the beasts that took all from him. Gifted with hell-forged firearms, he sets out with his new title as the Sheriff of the Damned.


Hellbourne Intelligence



Defiler, the Mistress of the Damned is a fanatic of death adorned with the shadowy remnants of souls that have passed in her wake. She has 4 arms, the lack of a mouth on her face represents the silent death she brings.





Glacius comes from the Frostfield. Originally encased in a frozen prison, he broke himself free after the Hellbourne resurfaced. His cold heart swears no allegiance and simply joins in the fray, allying himself to what would be for his own benefits.





The Demented Shaman was one of the holiest priests of the Beast Horde who uncovered the secrets and lore of the Beast Horde. After acquiring knowledge and power that he seeked, he turned to the Hellbourne to aid them in their path of destruction.





The Voodoo Jester is a cynical entity that has long been a part of Newerth lore, a daemon that haunts men and children both with his demented laughter and curses.





The Puppet Master is just as cynical as the Jester, however he is much more feared due to his ability to bend others to his will. It is rumored that the very body that they refer to as The Puppet Master is nothing but a puppet, than his true self.





Hellbringer is the most despised man on Newerth. Having once used demonic summoning for the aid of the humans against the beasts, Hellbringer had fallen into addiction to the demonic rituals.





Torturer, no different from the Forsaken Archer, was a dying man who made a pact with the daemons of the Hell for eternal life. He was stripped of his fleshy body, leaving only an aetherial form of pain and suffering.





The Wretched Hag, has haunted Newerth even before the Hellbourne resurfaced. She keeps herself and her pet bats fattened up with the flesh of children and virgins.





Succubus, the daemon and personification of Lust. Many of the Legion’s soldiers are often awestruck by her, and through her seduction could even turn the tides of battle in her favor. Although usually stealing life essences from the men who are allured by her, she is known to keep one or two as ‘toys’.





The Plague Rider is an entity of unknown origin and may have long existed in Newerth as a ‘legend’ or ‘myth’ related to plagues and diseases that scourge villages.





The Soul Reaper was born in Hell with one mission alone, to reap and capture the souls of Newerth and bring them to Hell. He despises the Soul Stealer who captures souls for his own satisfaction.





Doctor Repulsor is the elder brother of Bombardier. Having always been the curious type, he wandered off too far into the realms of forbidden knowledge and became consumed by it. He has lost his own free will and has become a slave to the very knowledge he yearned for.





Myrmidon was once under the Legion banner, but his tenacity and joy in carnage made others suspicious. After killing a Legion Sorcerer, he fled to join the ranks of the Hellbourne.





Parasite was a creation of one of Newerth’s inner cesspools that have long existed even before the Hellbourne’s resurfacing. In these pools, many entities continue to evolve and multiply.





Revenants are collective ghosts of those who have fallen in battle and have been forgotten, gazing upon them will only give sight to the painful and agonizing turmoil and memories of war.





Geomancers are creatures of the deserts of Newerth that live deep underground and move through tunnels that they themselves create. These creatures are attuned with the earth and use it to ravage their prey.





Artesia is a Legion Sorceress that was promised by the to be reunited with the soul of her lover in exchange to her allegiance to the Hellbourne.





Gravekeeper has been long dead due to unknown circumstances. He was revived by the Hellbourne’s ever spreading corruption, rising as a ward and guide for his fellow risen.



Hellbourne Strength



Devourers are one of the oldest kinds of daemons, created for the single reason of feeding on the flesh of those who dare to challenge the Hellbourne.




Electricians are goblin shocktroopers created by the mad archaeologist Dr. Repulsor. These goblins have been fused with technology from the old earth to act their role in the war as expendable yet powerful weapons.




The Kraken is a long time resident of Newerth’s seas, he is known to have sank many ships to the depths of his seas.




War Beast is a hound keeper of the underworld, and has long sworn allegiance to the Hellbourne.




Pharaoh was unearthed by the Hellbourne from the Great Waste. He was once a great king of a land that once existed in the Great Waste.




There are many claims to Moraxus’ identity, be it that he is a fallen beast of the Beast Horde, or that he is the personification of War itself.




The Accursed is actually a tormented soul enslaved by the Hellbourne into a hell-spawned and fiery armor. Despite its agonizing screams, the Accursed is thought to be driven more by a desire to end its suffering than pure malice.




Pestilence was once a Moon Warrior and the Moon Queen’s councilor. He betrayed his people for the reason that he is unable to become the Moon Warrior’s leader, for there has never been and will never be kings within the Moon Warriors.




Once thought to be the salvation of mankind and pinnacle of righteousness, Maliken ventured too close to the dark arts and became corrupted. He wields the Sword of the Damned which eats the soul of its user as well as feed on the souls of those it kills. He is the father of both Jeraziah and Ophelia.




Magmus is an elemental that has slept for millennia, back when the world was but ash, lava and cinder. He awoke to the call of the Hellbourne to return Newerth to its ‘former glory’.




Deadwood is the resurrected husk and trunk of the first Keeper of the Forest, although now a corrupted version of his past self, he still holds some power and dominion over nature, albeit of a much darker tone.




Balphagore is one of the strongest and most recognized daemon of the Hellbourne. He is the personification of Gluttony; he devours both those who are living, and both those who have long died to appease his undying hunger.




Gauntlet was once known as Nedd, the One Eyed Ogre. He was captured by the Hellbourne when they overran his home. He was fused with hellish weaponry and then lobotomized to be given a single thought: To serve the Hellbourne.




Amun-Ra is an immortal god that rivals even Sol. He was summoned to Newerth by corrupted disciples of Sol who harnessed the dark energies of the Sun.




Cthulhuphant emerged from the depths of the Newerth seas. Once a Behemoth who perished in the cruel waters of Newerth, he became infused with the primal energies of the earth and became even more of a monster than what he was before. Most likely before his initial death, he was engaged to Nymphora.




Lord Salforis is the Baron of Blackwal. Despite the heavy armor that adorns his body, he is not only a Hellbourne General but in actuality a sorcerer and necromancer.


MISCELLANEOUS



There are various shopkeepers and merchants in Newerth.




The most well known, and most infamous is Merrick. Once a humble merchant selling Boots, Gloves and basic battle adornments and items; he is now the proud owner of “The Goblin Shop”.




There is an unnamed goatkin merchant that runs outposts in Newerth.




A Blacksmith from the Iron City also once served as a merchant during the early days of the war.




The halfkin that used to sell powerful relics in his “Secret Shops” ceased his days as a merchant and remodeled his shops into observatories.





There are 2 unnamed merchants that have yet to resurface: A boarkin that used to sell potions and consumables and a dark-skinned lady that used to sell trinkets and accessories.




Lore-Related Lists

Information within this section are based on either actual facts presented by given data or assumptions based on given data.

Heroes Grouped By Place of Origin


Arasunia



Witch Slayer
Martyr
Pyromancers
Corrupted Disciple



Blackwal



Salforis



Darkwood Vale



Zephyr
Deadwood



Forests of Caldavar



Wildsoul
Nymphora
Keeper of the Forest


Frostfield



Glacius
Tundra



Hell



Slither
The Madman
Arachna
Shadowblade
Succubus
Soul Reaper
Revenant
Devourers
War Beast
Moraxus(?)
Accursed
Balphagore
Gauntlet



Iron City



Blacksmith
Engineer
Master of Arms



Rulian Marshes/Rule(?)



Flint Beastwood



Sang-La Mountains



Pandamonium



Seradati Plains



Rampage



The Great Waste



Sandwraith
Pharaoh



Underground Settlements



Tremble
The Chipper
Geomancers



Unnamed Beastkin Settlement within Forests of Caldavar



Emerald Warden



Unnamed Beastkin Settlement(s)



Thunderbringer
Armadon
Behemoths
Predators
Blood Hunter
Gemini
Demented Shaman
Moraxus(?)



Unnamed Dark Lands/Nether Realms(?)



Soul Stealer
Fayde
The Dark Lady
Defiler
Voodoo Jester
Puppet Master
Wretched Hag
Plague Rider



Unnamed Seas



Kraken
Myrmidon
Cthlhuphant



Unnamed Goblin Settlement



Merrick
Bombardier
Doctor Repulsor
Electricians



Unnamed Hive



Monarch



Unnamed Human Settlement(s)



Silhouette
Ophelia
Jeraziah
Scouts
Hammerstorm
Legionnaires
Gladiator
Flux
Drunken Master
Forsaken Archer
Dampeer
Gunblade
Hellbringer
Gravekeeper
Torturer
Maliken



Horfot Academy/Other Magical Establishment(s)



Artesia
Bubbles
Empath
Rhapsody
Kinesis
Midas



Unnamed Marsh Settlement(s)



Pollywog Priest



Unnamed Moon Warriors Hive



Moon Queen
Pestilence


Unnamed Northern Lands



Valkyries
Berzerker



Unnamed Savanna



Blitz


Yuma



Nomad



Others, Special, or Unsure Origin



Andromeda (fell from space)
Monkey King (somewhere where the Sefir Tree exists)
Draconis (World Tree)
Tempests (Ethereal Plane)
Vindicator (exile)
Magebane (exile)
Aluna (old Earth)
Pebbles
Magmus
Chronos
Parasite
Amun-Ra (a god)


​Heroes Grouped By Organizations


Disciples of the Way


Kinesis

Elementals


Pebbles
Magmus

Emerald Warden’s Sect


Emerald Warden

Celestial Beings/Deities/Gods


Gaea
Sol
Amun-Ra

Hell Forged


Chronos
Shadowblade
Electricians

Hell Spawns


Slither
Succubi
Soul Reaper
Fayde
Arachna
Devourer
Moraxus (?)

Hellbourne Generals


Hellbringer
Balphagore
Lord Salforis
The Dark Lady
Defiler
War Beast

Hellbourne Slaves


Gemini
Doctor Repulsor
Flint Beastwood
Gauntlet
Maliken
Forsaken Archer
Torturer
The Madman
Revenants
Accursed
Deadwood

Independent


Swiftblade
Andromeda
Berzerker
Tundra
Glacius
The Chipper
Armadon
Pandamonium
Rampage
Drunken Master
Dampeer
Grave Keeper
Cthulhuphant

Iron City’s Forge


Blacksmith
Engineer
Master of Arms
Artillery

Legionnaires of the Legion


Legionnaires
Jeraziah
Flux
Gladiator

(Maliken’s) The First Legion


Hammerstorm
King Maliken (before corruption)

Magebane’s Cult


Magebane

Yuma


Nomad

Monarch’s Hive


Monarch

Moon Warriors Tribe


Moon Queen
Pestilence (previously councilor of the Moon Warriors)

Nature’s Protectors


Wildsoul
Keeper of the Forest
Nymphora
Draconis

Newerth Legends


Sand Wraith
Wretched Hag
Plague Rider
Voodoo Jester
Puppet Master
Soul Stealer

Order of the Great Book


Vindicator

Scouts of the Legion


Scouts
Silhouette

The Beast Horde


Night Hound
Blitz
Predators
Behemoths
Thunder Bringer
Tempests
Ophelia
Blood Hunter (prior to defection to the Hellbourne)
Demented Shaman (prior to defection to the Hellbourne)
Moraxus (prior to defection to the Hellbourne ?)

The Sacred Order


Witch Slayer
Pyromancer
Martyr
Corrupted Disciple (before corruption)

Tremble’s Hive


Tremble
Boris

Unnamed Ancient Civilization


Pharaoh

Unnamed Aquatic Civilization


Myrmidon
Kraken

Unnamed Goblin Faction


Bombardier
Twitch
Doctor Repulsor (before corruption)

Unnamed Magic Societies


Bubbles
Artesia
Empath
Rhapsody
Auric (Midas)

Unnamed Town


Gunblade

Wild Creatures of Newerth


Geomancer
Parasite

Wild Cults


Pollywog Priest



Extended Hero Lores (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?412951-Heroes-of-Newerth-Extended-Hero-Lores)
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The Cauldron




This section of this Lore Thread will be for examples of concepts that can be fished out from the lore of Newerth





[*=left]One of the Moon Warriors, asides their Queen as a new Hero.
[*=left]Another member of the beast sect that Emerald Warden hails from.
[*=left]A map built around the concept of Newerth’s savannas, mid wars would be great for this as the savanna is bare and an open field (less sight obstruction like trees.
[*=left]A shaman with swamp/marsh-related skills from the Wild Cults
[*=left]A Member of "The Sacred Order"
[*=left]Some key places that can be used somehow, be it as basis for items, maps or even modes: Arasunia and Iron City
[*=left]Newerth does not seem to refer to the entire planet, but to a large continent where surviving civilizations and creatures roam. This is made clear by Berzerker and Valkyrie's lore that they came from places off the coast of Newerth to the north.

[SkullBoy]

Wait, HoN has lore? That's like saying LoL has lore...

On a serious note ths was actually pretty interesting, thanks :-)

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Wait, HoN has lore? That's like saying LoL has lore...

On a serious note ths was actually pretty interesting, thanks :-)

Yes, HoN has lore. Even DotA 2 has lore.

XD aaaaand don't get me started on LoL's lore. So much lore already that you could make a Trilogy of Movies.

You're welcome and thanks for reading. I want to let HoN's lore become more realized and compiled, that way new ideas and concepts will be made much closer to Newerth and not just randomly made out of whim.

A much clearer lore to go by = Much easier for ideas to come into mind.

[psvrisak]

There was a number of fan created stories which happened in HoN universe. It was really good and fun. Last i read was the duel between gladiator and swiftblade. Anyone has the link to those?

[kerespup]

There was a number of fan created stories which happened in HoN universe. It was really good and fun. Last i read was the duel between gladiator and swiftblade. Anyone has the link to those?

I think those were done by CMko

[Grevier]

What about Hellbourne Speculations ? :lord:

[kerespup]

:3 I'll be getting there. Just busy with something at the moment.

[Jeroz]

Think one key point to address is which heroes are individuals and which are units.

For example: There's only one :jera: and :ophe:, yet there are multiple :legi:, :scou:, :pyro: and on.

Also, i'm quite interested in that cult thing that was mentioned several times. How many different branches of religion are there in Newerth? You have one that reveres Sol, and then you have ones for :mage:, :vind: and so on. There are some speculations in your post, but they seem to make sense anyway.

==
One interesting fact I found while reading through the item lores (yes, there's such thing), is the name of :berz: being mentioned in the one for Elder Parasite.
Also speaking of :berz:, since he also comes from the north, I wonder if there's any relation between him and :valk:.

[kerespup]

Aye, that is one keypoint that I actually addressed. If you noticed some of the facts state certain heroes in their plural "Scouts", "Pyromancers", etc.
As well as titles such as "Pollywog Priest", "Martyr" being made clear to be a title for a single person of a certain level in their group.

Interestingly, most of the religions revolve around Sol, yet a lot of the cults point all the way to "The Prophet"

Also, yep yep yep. Besides them coming from the north, they're also of Celtic/Nordic origin. Berzerker based around Vikings and Valkyries based around Shield Maidens + The Valkyries of norse mythology.

[LandFish]

S2 needs to make a video featuring the marriage of Cthuluphant and Nymphora. This secret event needs more..... more..... well more everything!

[Jeroz]

inb4 rule 34.

oh wait already got one

not sharing though

[kerespup]

Added The Legion Strength facts.

[Jeroz]

Newerth does not refer to the entire planet, but to a large continent where surviving civilizations and creatures roam. This is made clear by Berzerker and Valkyrie's lore that they came from places off the coast of Newerth to the north.



As in like Middle Earth?

There are a lot of places mentioned in the hero lores. You might want to make a separate list for them and include where each hero's from.

[kerespup]

As in like Middle Earth?

There are a lot of places mentioned in the hero lores. You might want to make a separate list for them and include where each hero's from.

Yep. I'm gonna do that once I finish with the rest of the heroes first.

Then I'm going to tackle the places, key elements (such as The Prophet, The World Tree, the Demonic Altars, and etc), I'll cover items eventually too.

[squall3904]

You are aware that ckmo has been making an ongoing lore for quite a while now if I recall he actually asked one of the creators and got all of the information to make a real story. A very good read just so you know.

[Niqhtmare]

Very nice, good to see someone taking initiatve to do a huge project such as this. Very interesting read, though I feel that a space between each hero would be good for readability, and also putting each category in a spoiler to make it less of a wall of text.

[kerespup]

You are aware that ckmo has been making an ongoing lore for quite a while now if I recall he actually asked one of the creators and got all of the information to make a real story. A very good read just so you know.

I am well aware of that and am one of the followers of his stories. However what I am doing and what he is doing are different things. He is creating new events and stories with his own vision of the Newerth lore; whilst I am simply gathering and giving information regarding the base lore, and from there create discussions that will open up new concepts and ideas based on discussion and speculation, as with other game lore discussions.

In a way, you could say that while CKmo is creating or continuing the story of Newerth by himself. While I am opening up the opportunity for the community to weave together the threads that make up the Newerth universe as a whole.

[kerespup]

I'll continue on with the remaining Hellbourne Heroes Tomorrow. Right now, I have to get some rest.
I also put the Hero Facts in Spoilers, as well as added spaces between them for easy readability (Thanks for reminding me Envisionise)

But before I'll go rest, I'll leave these questions for Speculation Discussion:

Was it Hellbringer who fascinated and tainted Maliken with Dark Magic?

Who is this Prophet and why is he mentioned in almost every cult and religion?

Does Wildsoul live in the Forests of Caldavar?

Are the world trees that we see in game the actual world tree? Or are they simply parts and extensions of the actual thing?

Is the Hellbourne Meatball made out of Pork or Beef?

[kerespup]

Added in Hellbourne Intelligence.

Kind of interesting thing I fished out of the lore actually:

Artesia (who was then a Legion Sorceress) had a Legion Sorcerer lover, who was killed 'by fate'. Because of this she went to the Hellbourne to strike a deal to be reunited with her lover.

Myrmidon was a Legion member, but was too brutal. He was always suspected of loving carnage, and when a Legion Sorcerer witnessed this, he killed the said Legion Sorcerer before leaving the Legion.

It's quite possible that Artesia's lover was killed by Myrmidon, yet ironically, his death led to both Artesia and Myrmidon defecting to the Hellbourne.

[Jeroz]

Inb4 Artesia's lover being resurrected to become a new hellbourne int hero. What are the chances that Artesia knows nothing about the culprit? Initially I thought the avatar was Artesia's lover, but I could see a new hero being created base on this story

[BerriePie]

This is awesome and saves me time without having to go through the giant wall texts. Thank you :)!

[DreadLocks]

You know what would be awesome? A very aggressive rivalry between Kraken and Cthulhuphant. I mean, think about it. Both of them are gigantic, imposing, tough-as-nails brutes who were both created in the exact same place: The depths of the ocean.

Cthulhuphant claims to be ancient god, reborn through a behemoths carcass to bring the entirety of Newerth to its knees through the heavy chains of insanity, despair, and terror. The sky will crack with his call, the birds, beasts, and men of the earth will collapse from his footsteps, and the very sea will boil from his rage. All will be enslaved and driven to insanity, for he is the old one and none shall escape him. The whole of newerth shall be his sacrificial alter and they shall kneel on the bloodcovered stones, broken from despair as his tusks rip their flesh and crush their bones. He is eternal. He is endless. He is the undying king.

Kraken is a ravenous beast who has pilfered, plagued, and devastated the seas of ships and sailors alike to sate it's unending hunger and to fill its ever gaping maw. He has ravaged the oceans for eons, ruling his domain with brine and anchor, and the rage of the ocean itself. So for this...rotting corpse...to emerge from his ocean and claim ownership over his domain is a call for blood in and of itself. The Kraken wishes to drown Newerth in an endless ocean, sinking the earth until not even the mountains will break it's pristine surface. Cthulhuphant can have his alter...as long as he enjoys sacrificing fish. None shall usurp Kraken as lord of the deeps, for none shall survive it's depths.

Basically, what I'm getting as is Kraken and Cthulhuphant being at each others throats, because Kraken refuses to bow to this...aberration...due to his power and pride, and Cthulhuphant refuses to have a lowly fish defy his call and destroy his throne (I.E. The Land).

I mean really, who wouldn't want to see Kraken and Cthulhuphant in an open plain, surrounded by the corpses of the fallen (from a fresh skirmish/ambush/battle no doubt), staring each other down. In an instant, they charge at eachother, :cthu: backed by dark power, and :krak: backed by the rage of the ocean itself. As they collide, the very plain buckles from their combined weight and strength. What was once flat earth is now ravines, chasms, and mountains and standing in the middle of the cataclysm are the two titans trading blows, each refusing to give ground to its rival. Each blow, strike, block, grapple, and counter sends shockwaves through the ground, causing earthquakes and tsunamis the world over. From their battle one shall fall and when his shattered body collapses, the victor shall regain their birthright and destiny.

O.O

SO
EPIC.

[kerespup]

Updated the main post with the Hellbourne Strength heroes.
Updated the main post with some Miscellaneous Lore Tidbits.

I'm gonna begin fishing out the various Places and Locations next, and then grouping each Hero by their origin.

For example:

Nomad, Sand Wraith and Pharaoh are from the Great Waste
Witch Slayers and Martyrs come from the holy city of Arasunia

@DreadLocks

Anyone can write such a story between the two, but it would take a lot of effort to make things canonical.
Unlike League of Legends which have canonical 'scrolls' of lore (Journal of Justice), there isn't much we can "Add" to the story yet unless there would be actual support for the Newerth Lore. In other words, unless an S2 representative would also partake in discussions and as well give an effort to make canonical Newerth lore, "additional" or "new" stuff that is written by people that is not based on information that is already given would not exactly hold high relevance to the lore.

Anyhow, regardless of that, a battle between the two giants of the Hellbourne is actually NOT UNLIKELY and is quite possible if you were to think about things. The Hellbourne is rowdy and undisciplined, if there is already infighting within the Legion, what more with the Hellbourne.

There are a bunch of facts to consider as well that would be in the favor of an unfriendly relation between the two giants:

1. The Kraken is quite territorial, be it based on Newerthian lore or mythological lore.
2. The Cthulhuphant was once a Behemoth that died and was reborn in the depths of the sea.
3. The Cthulhuphant has is an entity empowered by dark and evil forces.
4. The Kraken simply enjoys destruction and exhibiting his strength over all.

[Hsssh]

Good job on collecting stuff.

I'll try to help out with some stuff if i'll have time, but i'm pretty busy so don't put too much hope into that :D

[Spacey]

First of all, let me begin by saying, excellent work! It seems you have been able to compile a rather large amount of information already. I have some inquiries however.. Hopefully you can answer them.

1) Tier / power scaling lists.. Obviously for gameplay reasons all heroes are made equal (more or less...) but lore wise how do these heroes relate to eachother in terms of power levels. I think it would be a good idea to compile a (simpler) tier list to illustrate the (lore) power levels(This would also be superuseful for HoN RPs if someone wants to start one), for example it could look something like this..

God Tier (Literally)
Sol
Amun-Ra

Demigod Tier
Sand Wraith
Jeraziah
Maliken
Ophelia
Keeper of the Forrest(?)

High Tier
etc.
etc..

2) Another good addition would be a comprehensive list of organizations and active as well as former members of them. For example "the scouts", "The Sacred Order" from which the pyromancers come from and corrupted disciple was a former member, and so on.

[Thysios]

http://forums.savage2.com/showthread.php?t=24447

If anyone's really interested in the Lore this could be a good read.

[kerespup]

First of all, let me begin by saying, excellent work! It seems you have been able to compile a rather large amount of information already. I have some inquiries however.. Hopefully you can answer them.

1) Tier / power scaling lists.. Obviously for gameplay reasons all heroes are made equal (more or less...) but lore wise how do these heroes relate to eachother in terms of power levels. I think it would be a good idea to compile a (simpler) tier list to illustrate the (lore) power levels, for example it could look something like this..

God Tier (Literally)
Sol
Amun-Ra

Demigod Tier
Sand Wraith
Jeraziah
Maliken
Ophelia
Keeper of the Forrest(?)

High Tier
etc.
etc..

2) Another good addition would be a comprehensive list of organizations and active as well as former members of them. For example "the scouts", "The Sacred Order" from which the pyromancers come from and corrupted disciple was a former member, and so on.

That is an excellent idea! For #1, I'll have to also give them their 'ranks' within their respective groups. For example Master of Arms is a General of the Legion Army, so is Salforis for the Hellbourne. I think the Lore Tiers will fit only the "Unique" entities such as Sol, Amun-Ra, Jeraziah and the like. While mass units such as Scouts, Devourers, Predators, Legionnaires, Behemoths should be categorized under a different batch of tiers instead.

[SkullBoy]

Honestly, LoL's lore is much better than HoN's.

It's abit different from anything else I know. I'm not familular with DotA lore, but I imagine it's similar to HoN.

Good guys vs Bad guys, mystical world etc. etc. But the lore writers aren't quite in the same league as the Films we know and love and even some games. I won't mention my personal favourites *cough lotr cough* :-)

[Hsssh]

Honestly, LoL's lore is much better than HoN's.

Well Riot tries to develop it somewhat with their journal of justice or whatever its called while S2 i doubt that even has anyone in their office that is responsible for "lore", imo whoever designed hero writes few sentences for about his hero and thats about it.

[SkullBoy]

, imo whoever designed hero writes few sentences for about his hero and thats about it.

Exactly this. However, honestly, 95% of people don't give a daym about lore so I can see why.

[BuddhaKekz]

*Snip*

Wow you should write the lore for the new heroes. This is epic! *_*


@OP: Thanks for this thread, I was thinking about making a lore thread of my own but I doubted there would be enough interest in the community.
This thread is much needed for lore buffs like me. It's kinda sad that S2 doesn't care about their lore very much. Just look at Geomancers lore and tell
me the exact same text doesn't fit for any generic Hellbourne unit. Or MoA's famous "RALLY TO ME SOLDIERS".

I played LoL and didn't like it very much but you have to give them credit for their lore department. S2 really needs to hire someone to write their lore.

[kerespup]

Gonna update the main post soon, but before that I just wanna put up a Hero Lore Comparison between each game:

League of Legends - Fiore

As the youngest child of the noble House Laurent, Fiora always considered herself destined for greatness. The Laurents had dominated the dueling culture of Demacia's aristocracy for centuries, and Fiora's father was regarded as one of the finest swordsmen the nation had ever seen. Inspired by his tales of glory, Fiora began training as soon as she could wield a blade and quickly showed greater talent than any of her siblings. As she grew older, her self-confidence and rigid discipline only widened the gulf of expertise between Fiora and her peers. Her fellow duelists perceived her confidence as arrogance, but none could defeat her in combat, and each new victory only heightened her lofty self-esteem. Even so, Fiora never allowed herself to become complacent in her training, and she drove herself ever harder to become a worthy successor to her father's legacy.

Her devotion turned out to be misplaced. On the eve of an arranged duel, Fiora's father was caught slipping a slow paralysis poison into his opponent's drink. Following the incident, many of his past opponents came forward with their own accusations: envenomed weapons, bribery, blackmail, and more. In an instant, he had destroyed his family's honorable reputation. Fiora was outraged. Not only had her hero betrayed her ideals, but also Demacia's dueling elite now doubted her own ability. She desperately wanted to wipe the stain from her family's history but, even more, she wanted the world to acknowledge her mastery. She found her solution in the one arena where she could fight the world's strongest warriors without being accused of dishonesty: the League of Legends.

DotA 2 - Anti-Mage

The monks of Turstarkuri watched the rugged valleys below their mountain monastery as wave after wave of invaders swept through the lower kingdoms. Ascetic and pragmatic, in their remote monastic eyrie they remained aloof from mundane strife, wrapped in meditation that knew no gods or elements of magic. Then came the Legion of the Dead God, crusaders with a sinister mandate to replace all local worship with their Unliving Lord's poisonous nihilosophy. From a landscape that had known nothing but blood and battle for a thousand years, they tore the souls and bones of countless fallen legions and pitched them against Turstarkuri. The monastery stood scarcely a fortnight against the assault, and the few monks who bothered to surface from their meditations believed the invaders were but demonic visions sent to distract them from meditation. They died where they sat on their silken cushions. Only one youth survived--a pilgrim who had come as an acolyte, seeking wisdom, but had yet to be admitted to the monastery. He watched in horror as the monks to whom he had served tea and nettles were first slaughtered, then raised to join the ranks of the Dead God's priesthood. With nothing but a few of Turstarkuri's prized dogmatic scrolls, he crept away to the comparative safety of other lands, swearing to obliterate not only the Dead God's magic users--but to put an end to magic altogether.

HoN - Magebane


A keeper of lost lore and a priest to forgotten gods, Magebane invokes unholy rituals to drain the energy of his enemies and turn it back against them. In less desperate times, heretics such as Magebane would have been burned at the stake, but this is not the first unexpected clemency brought about by the war against the Hellbourne

Really huge difference imo.

[Demonic150]

Lore is so much fun! Thank you!

[Britannias]

wtf did i just read

[Skinsword]

I would consider Monkey King to be god-tier since his immortality allowed him to challenge "heaven itself".

[Jeroz]

so is :mage: one person or a title like :mart:?

[kerespup]

I would consider Monkey King to be god-tier since his immortality allowed him to challenge "heaven itself".

Quite reasonable, although he's somewhat limited considering the circlet suppresses his power.


so is :mage: one person or a title like :mart:?

No, Magebane is one person, his real name is Javaras. Will probably have to list down all the given real names too.



UPDATED The Main Post with A list of places and the heroes that originated from each.

[Spacey]

I would consider Monkey King to be god-tier since his immortality allowed him to challenge "heaven itself".

Yes he might have been at least close to God Tier however remember his powers are controlled/restrained by the headband he received from Ophelia his actual power level now is probably below the Demigod tier. But yeah I'm sure I've missed quite a few heroes that list is just coming I put together quickly to post an example. I'll try and construct a more proper fully fleshed out list later.

[kerespup]

Looking over on the list of places and heroes originating from them, I noticed some possible match-ups.

The Rulian Marshes that Flint Beastwood came from may also be the same marsh that Pollywog Priest's tribe resides in.

The Seradati Plains that Rampage came from may also be the savanna where the Great Race is held, and where Blitz comes from.

[Drasha]

I want to point out that savage lore isn't consistent. I prefer to look at it from the point of view of some one in the future of their time line looking at different legends that all have equal validity but disagree in some areas. (which gives wonderful wiggle room for fan interpretation)


Lore Sources


Savage 1 story (http://www.s2games.com/savage/myth.php)
Savage 1 comic (http://www.s2games.com/savage/comic/episode_i.html)
Savage 1 cinematic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNmIDenASbc&feature=related)
Savage 2 story (http://www.savage2.com/en/story.php)
Savage 2 cinematic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDb0QjbMsbg)
HoN Story (http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/timeofheroes.php)
Hero Lore (http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/heroes.php)

Wiki (super duper incomplete ask me if you have any questions regarding the wiki)


Races (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/wiki/index.php/Races)
Places (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/wiki/index.php/Places)
Legion ("]Tribes[/url]
[url="http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/wiki/index.php/Legion)
Beast Horde (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/wiki/index.php/Horde)
Hellbourne (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/wiki/index.php/Hellbourne)
New Legion (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/wiki/index.php/New_legion)
Lore (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/wiki/index.php/Lore)

If any one wants to work on fleshing out the wiki this runs along the lines of a project that I never got of the grounds. Also out of curiosity how many of you want a lore section? It would mean threads like these wouldn't get as much visibility but on the other hand they wouldn't get lost in gd and there might be more threads about it.


Gonna update the main post soon, but before that I just wanna put up a Hero Lore Comparison between each game:
League of Legends - Fiore
DotA 2 - Anti-Mage
HoN - Magebane
Really huge difference imo.
While hon has less lore the fact that its based on a future version of earth lets the story draw on much interesting things in my opinion. A monkey king in lols lore feels out of place but in newerth lore it can feel like ancient legends from earths past are waking up.

[kerespup]

I want to point out that savage lore isn't consistent. I prefer to look at it from the point of view of some one in the future of their time line looking at different legends that all have equal validity but disagree in some areas. (which gives wonderful wiggle room for fan interpretation)

Which is kind of what me and CKmo are doing in our own ways.

CKmo is like as he is, a writer that is creating a vision of Newerth in what he understands of it.
Whilst I am more like a 'researcher' or 'archaeologist' trying to learn about the world of Newerth by relics, scriptures and writings inside the "ruins" that contain Newerthian lore and history.


If any one wants to work on fleshing out the wiki this runs along the lines of a project that I never got of the grounds. Also out of curiosity how many of you want a lore section? It would mean threads like these wouldn't get as much visibility but on the other hand they wouldn't get lost in gd and there might be more threads about it.


A lore section for the forums would be nice, I know it may not have the hustle and bustle of General Discussion, but it might be a good start for actual development.
That and there'd be a good place to directly go to CKmo's own Newerth Lore.


While hon has less lore the fact that its based on a future version of earth lets the story draw on much interesting things in my opinion. A monkey king in lols lore feels out of place but in newerth lore it can feel like ancient legends from earths past are waking up.

True, that fact actually makes it easier to accept certain things as the scope of Newerthian lore reaches back to even ancient times, one good example being Swiftblade, and as well as time prior to the first coming of the Hellbourne as shown by Aluna's presence.

[Drasha]

Here is a general map of what i assume newerth looks like. (note the map is of pangea ultima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea_Ultima))
http://i.imgur.com/aTSaf.png
I marked where the different human tribes would be from savage 2 to give a general idea. The beast horde would be pretty much every where humans aren't except the great wastes. Almost every thing east of the scar is probably hellbourne owned (dead and burning) as of HoN. Probably going to work on a more detailed version of it and might do a bit of a write up for some locations.

[kerespup]

Hmmm... actually, your thought of how its a "point of view of some one in the future of their time line looking at different legends" gave me an idea of something that would be kind of like the League's Journal of Justice. LoL's JoJ is more like a magazine of some sort, however I could probably fashion up something in the form of a journal or research of an Archaeologist from Newerth's future with the 'archaeological findings' found in Newerth.

[Drasha]

http://i.imgur.com/VeC9v.png

Key

:noma: Yuma: A trading town on the edge of the planes and the great waste. Artifacts found in the ruins south of the great waste are transported through this town to the legions strongholds in the central plains. The town got its name when a metal artifact reading "Welcome to Yuma" fell of a wagon killed an evil trader every one hated. The sign was promptly put on display in the town and legand has it the evil traders spirit haunts the waste lands to this day.

:lord: Blackwal: Ruled by baron Salforis blackwal was a proud human city with rich farm lands. With the opening of the scar they were abandoned by the legion and left to die. Baron Salforis put up a mighty struggle but with his people dead around him his mind snapped and joined the ranks of the hellbourne. Now blackwal's fields produce legions of undead and Salforis leads them into battle as a Lord of the damned.

:witc: Arasunia: A city of zealots devoted to Sol. They citizens of Arasunia often say the scar curves east because it cannot bear to be near their sacred city. Others well out of ear shot whisper that the scar must have curved west under the iron peaks for a city like Arasunia to exist.

:doct: South Lands: The South Lands are filled with the ruins of mans past. Many Humans explore these ruins finding ancient technologies to aid them in their fight against the hellbourne.

:glac: Frost Field: Large expanse of tundra around the northern tip of the scar.

:blac: Iron City: home of the builders where many of the legions weapons are made.

:poll: Marsh: home of the frog people

:pand: Sanga-La Mountains: Mountains densely forested with bambo. The area around the mountains is the last stronghold of the Legion in the east. Cut of from supplies and help only determination and the hellbournes focus on the west saves them from being overwhelmed.

:ramp: Seradati Planes: its pretty flat

[kerespup]

Wanted to try my hand at a "JoJ-like" lore post:

http://i.imgur.com/gMC27.png Letters of a Boarkin Adventurer - The Ghost of the SandsI've just arrived in the bustling merchant town of Yuma, where theres definitely more business going around here than any other settlements in Newerth.

I've yet to head out into the deserted sands of The Great Waste from here, but already I've been warned by the locals of "The Sand Wraith". The Sand Wraith has always been one of those tales circulating around in these areas, a cloaked figure who legend says is a ghost of fallen nomadic warriors that haunt the sandstorms of the desert. Others say that The Sand Wraith is an elemental attuned to sand, no different from the slumbering ancient known as Pebbles in the mountains surrounding the Iron City.

Regardless of his origins, those who claim to have encountered such a legend say the same things when it comes to how they are attacked by this ghost: During the nights or under the cover of a sandstorm, wanderers of the Great Waste are haunted by a cloaked figure. Like a mirage, those who explore in packs encounter more than one of the same ghost, and usually end up breaking apart from their groups in fear and panic. Those who run are pursued by the very sand they walk on, slowing them down as if stuck in quick sand. Those who dare to fight this ghost can only feel the sharp sand scraping against their own flesh, as the ghost's breath feels like a gust of sand itself. The fortunate who are merely wounded and not killed by its sun-heated blade would tell of an unbearable thirst that lingers for almost an eternity.

So I am begin my travels and studies of Newerth in the Great Waste where such a ghost is claimed to exist. It may not have been the wisest decision, but there are way too many ruins in the Great Waste to be explored, that wasting this opportunity would be a sin.



-Keres Raventusk
Newerthian Archaeologist



I sincerely hope we'll have a proper map someday.

[Drasha]

You are to close to the present. You would be better of writing from a point of view so far in the future its not clear if the hellbourne won or lost.

[kerespup]

You are to close to the present. You would be better of writing from a point of view so far in the future its not clear if the hellbourne won or lost.

Alright, will remedy it then.

Removing the first few sentences that stated such did the trick it seems.

[BuddhaKekz]

I think you could place the origins of Engineer and Master of Arms in the Iron City, because:

"Iron City: home of the builders where many of the legions weapons are made."

And as far as I know the Engineer is basically the same as the Builder from Savage. Also it seems reasonable to me that MoA would come from there too.

[kerespup]

http://i.imgur.com/gMC27.pngLetters of a Boarkin Adventurer - Deserted OutpostIt's only been a day and a half since I set out into the Great Wastes and lo! What luck! I stumbled into what seems to be the remains of an old encampment. The structures however, I can see that it doesn't date far beyond the time of the ancient civilizations. Judging on the materials used in the fortifications and dwellings, I'd bet that this was once an outpost during a historical war. I've heard that beasts and humans used to fight against each other in opposing factions in the past, so I do wonder to which side this outpost belonged to.

As I searched and studied around this ancient outpost, I came upon (well, tripped and fell face flat upon to be exact) a most peculiar item:


http://heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_HelmOfTheVictim.jpg



Its structure and design looks far different from any of the equipment I've seen in the markets of Yuma or from any of the forges of Iron City. A helmet forged from an unknown metal and by unknown hands. There are a few cracks and what seems to be spots and stains along the front upper right, so I suppose this was definitely one for battle than for ceremony. It won't take too long for me to clean the sand from it at least, and I will bring back with me after my excavating and spelunking here in the Great Wastes. Surely there must be something of the relics I'll find here in the Great Library of Arasunia.

I explored every nook and cranny of this outpost; I found swords, axes, shields and many forms of equipment battered and broken and in poor conditions yet I have not found even one trace of skeletal remains.

Perhaps that one tidbit of information I shrugged off of The Sand Wraith was true, that those who die by its blade are sapped not only of their body water, but of their time and youth as well turning them to dust. It gives me chills just thinking about it, yet I must go in deeper and further into the Great Wastes if I were to find any bit of information about the ancient world.



-Keres Raventusk
Newerthian Archaeologist

I'll be working on some of the Lore Tier Lists next, I've also gone and moved Engineer and Master of Arms to the Iron City location.

[DreadLocks]

@DreadLocks

Anyone can write such a story between the two, but it would take a lot of effort to make things canonical.
Unlike League of Legends which have canonical 'scrolls' of lore (Journal of Justice), there isn't much we can "Add" to the story yet unless there would be actual support for the Newerth Lore. In other words, unless an S2 representative would also partake in discussions and as well give an effort to make canonical Newerth lore, "additional" or "new" stuff that is written by people that is not based on information that is already given would not exactly hold high relevance to the lore.

Anyhow, regardless of that, a battle between the two giants of the Hellbourne is actually NOT UNLIKELY and is quite possible if you were to think about things. The Hellbourne is rowdy and undisciplined, if there is already infighting within the Legion, what more with the Hellbourne.

There are a bunch of facts to consider as well that would be in the favor of an unfriendly relation between the two giants:

1. The Kraken is quite territorial, be it based on Newerthian lore or mythological lore.
2. The Cthulhuphant was once a Behemoth that died and was reborn in the depths of the sea.
3. The Cthulhuphant has is an entity empowered by dark and evil forces.
4. The Kraken simply enjoys destruction and exhibiting his strength over all.

I realize this but I wasn't really trying to write lore for the game anyhow. I'm sorry if I wasn't as clear but what I was implying was that, if S2 so chose, they could really expand and give the lore some much needed depth by using hero rivalries. Competitions are always entertaining to watch/read and with the plethora of different heroes in HoN, there really is quite a lot of material to tie heroes together and really dig into why these people are fighting eachother in the first place.

To be more exact, I want to know the relationship between:
:noma:/:sand:/:phar: and possibly :geom:
:trem::pest::moon:
:pebb::magm: (<----- this one especially)
:thun:/:deme:/:tund: (all of these are ape shaman)
:jera:/:ophe:/:mali:
:keep:/:dead:
and finally the one in my sig...
:gunb:/:witc:

And many many many many others to choose from. HoN's lore has a MASSIVE amount of potential that could be harnessed. It has an interesting setting, that is both atmospheric and flexible, and a large number of intricacies that really need to be dealt into. Lore, while arguably not as important as gameplay, really can be a major boon to any game. It generates interesting discussion amongst it's players and really can set the themes, pace, and design of HoN's future heroes, items, and battlefields.

I really wish that S2 in the future begins to invest some much needed time and polishing into HoN's lore, because it really would help the game in much needed ways.

[kerespup]

I think I'll put up a Relationship list of some sort then, and from there I can expand on stories and stuff.

For example, based on all the info I've collected so far:

:noma: is a nomad from the merchant town of Yuma, who is hunting down :sand:

Now this gives us plenty of possible stories to use:
1. Nomad is hunting down Sand Wraith simply because he is a threat to the town of Yuma
2. Nomad is hunting down Sand Wraith for the sake of vengeance
3. Nomad knew Sand Wraith (friend, brother, whatever) and is hunting him down to set him at peace.

The story between Moon Queen and Pestilence is pretty much already set in stone, Pestilence used to be Moon Queen's councilor, he couldn't become a king of the Moon Warriors so in anger, he joins the Hellbourne as a means to usurp the Moon Queen from the throne.

There isn't really much of a relation between Pebbles and Magmus, only that they're both Elementals, and Elementals are hardly friendly with each other.

There could be a relation between Thunderbringer and Demented Shaman, you could take it as a Mentor and Student sort of thing, but there's hardly any information about the two of them to build any stories.

Jeraziah, Ophelia and Maliken are the Grimm Family.

Keeper of the Forest is the newest Keeper, and Deadwood is the resurrected husk/corpse of the first Keeper of the Forest.

As for Gunblade and Witchslayer, it's actually quite possible to draw them out as the "Magina and Terrorblade" of HoN. Brothers or whatnot, but that remains to be seen with the very little info we have right now.

[DreadLocks]

That still raises more questions and speculations, which is what i was going for.

Is Pebbles as old as Magmus? Did he fight him eons ago when the world was still stone, ash, heat, and magma? Was Pebbles the reason Magmus was sealed inside the earth?

Is Tremble a member of an offshoot race from the moon warriors which decided to go into the subterranian depths? Did they know of his existance beforehand? Is his race extinct? Was Pestilence a component in corrupting Tremble or was it solely an accident?

Why did Demented Shaman defect? Was it reasons of power, greed, anger, or vengeance? Is he a part of the same tribe as Thunderbringer? Did he defect at the same time as Bloodhunter? If so, are there other beast defectors that we may see on the hellbourne?

Many of these would probably be answered if the heroes backstories were actually several paragraphs instead of a single sentence.

[kerespup]

That still raises more questions and speculations, which is what i was going for.

Is Pebbles as old as Magmus? Did he fight him eons ago when the world was still stone, ash, heat, and magma? Was Pebbles the reason Magmus was sealed inside the earth?

Is Tremble a member of an offshoot race from the moon warriors which decided to go into the subterranian depths? Did they know of his existance beforehand? Is his race extinct? Was Pestilence a component in corrupting Tremble or was it solely an accident?

Why did Demented Shaman defect? Was it reasons of power, greed, anger, or vengeance? Is he a part of the same tribe as Thunderbringer? Did he defect at the same time as Bloodhunter? If so, are there other beast defectors that we may see on the hellbourne?

Many of these would probably be answered if the heroes backstories were actually several paragraphs instead of a single sentence.

Yes, this is definitely the kind of progression that I was hoping for with this thread. For questions to be asked, for people to speculate and the like.

It's through these speculations that game lore is conceptualized and eventually made, and previous short stories describing Heroes are expanded on and developed through such speculations.

The Moon Warriors I believe are a grounded race of Insectoids, whilst Tremble's species are underground, whilst Monarch's race are aerial.

Demented Shaman's defect was for reasons of power. He defected to the Hellbourne after having learned everything that the Beast Horde had to offer.

Anyhow, these questions are actually what gives rise to deep lore for everything in Newerth which eventually develop into new ideas and new concepts.

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Take Ashe from League of Legends for example.

Her original lore simply stated that she was one the lone survivor of a group of hunters.

Then because of the question: "Who are these group of hunters"

Her lore was updated and changed to answer this, now it stated that she was one of the princesses of the Frejlords.

Then another question (after a lot of revisions) rose: "Who are the other princesses"

It led to the conceptualization of another Frejlord princess: Sejuani which became an actual Champion in LoL.



This shows how Lore is a useful tool in the creation of new ideas and concepts as well as presenting players with some interesting detail to each character.


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UPDATED the top post with a list of characters grouped by Factions/Groups/Cults/etc.

[CKMo]

You know what would be awesome? A very aggressive rivalry between Kraken and Cthulhuphant. I mean, think about it. Both of them are gigantic, imposing, tough-as-nails brutes who were both created in the exact same place: The depths of the ocean.

Cthulhuphant claims to be ancient god, reborn through a behemoths carcass to bring the entirety of Newerth to its knees through the heavy chains of insanity, despair, and terror. The sky will crack with his call, the birds, beasts, and men of the earth will collapse from his footsteps, and the very sea will boil from his rage. All will be enslaved and driven to insanity, for he is the old one and none shall escape him. The whole of newerth shall be his sacrificial alter and they shall kneel on the bloodcovered stones, broken from despair as his tusks rip their flesh and crush their bones. He is eternal. He is endless. He is the undying king.

Kraken is a ravenous beast who has pilfered, plagued, and devastated the seas of ships and sailors alike to sate it's unending hunger and to fill its ever gaping maw. He has ravaged the oceans for eons, ruling his domain with brine and anchor, and the rage of the ocean itself. So for this...rotting corpse...to emerge from his ocean and claim ownership over his domain is a call for blood in and of itself. The Kraken wishes to drown Newerth in an endless ocean, sinking the earth until not even the mountains will break it's pristine surface. Cthulhuphant can have his alter...as long as he enjoys sacrificing fish. None shall usurp Kraken as lord of the deeps, for none shall survive it's depths.

Basically, what I'm getting as is Kraken and Cthulhuphant being at each others throats, because Kraken refuses to bow to this...aberration...due to his power and pride, and Cthulhuphant refuses to have a lowly fish defy his call and destroy his throne (I.E. The Land).

I mean really, who wouldn't want to see Kraken and Cthulhuphant in an open plain, surrounded by the corpses of the fallen (from a fresh skirmish/ambush/battle no doubt), staring each other down. In an instant, they charge at eachother, :cthu: backed by dark power, and :krak: backed by the rage of the ocean itself. As they collide, the very plain buckles from their combined weight and strength. What was once flat earth is now ravines, chasms, and mountains and standing in the middle of the cataclysm are the two titans trading blows, each refusing to give ground to its rival. Each blow, strike, block, grapple, and counter sends shockwaves through the ground, causing earthquakes and tsunamis the world over. From their battle one shall fall and when his shattered body collapses, the victor shall regain their birthright and destiny.

O.O

SO
EPIC.

Man, is this guy peeking at my notebooks or what. Next thing I know he'll be predicting The Return, Clash in Frostfield, and Blight.

[Salem1]

Corrupted Disciple, what is his orb and how did he get it? why did he defect to the Hellbourne, was it because the Hellbourne corrupted him or because he chose to be corrupted? how powerful is he compared to other corrupted disciples and what is his rank within the Hellbourne, is he a pawn, a mighty soldier or even a valuable lieutenant? are all or some of his powers unique or do all corrupted disciples share them?

And, how are the Hellbourne united? are they united? it seems strange to me that some/most of the Hellbourne heroes would care so much for a united purpose. Is it really just for the sake of the game and they are much more individual in ''real'' HoN?

[Ocean]

Awesome thread, i also think that S2 should focus more on HoNs lore. Especially the map... i really think they should make an official one.

[DreadLocks]

Man, is this guy peeking at my notebooks or what. Next thing I know he'll be predicting The Return, Clash in Frostfield, and Blight.

Great minds thing alike I suppose.

I predict that you are setting up :legi: to become flux. Why? Because he's a :legi: trapped under the earth, has lost one of his arms and was captured by the hellbourne.

Not that hard to put it together.

[kerespup]

Man, is this guy peeking at my notebooks or what. Next thing I know he'll be predicting The Return, Clash in Frostfield, and Blight.

It's not really that hard to link possible rivalries, stories and whatnot based on different data or information already given. The only thing that would possibly differ between your thoughts and his is on how you would carry out the story (as Drasha mentioned).


I predict that you are setting up :legi: to become flux. Why? Because he's a :legi: trapped under the earth, has lost one of his arms and was captured by the hellbourne.

It's more of an 'obvious' story since it's already been pre-described within Flux's lore that he was a legionnaire, and the Legionnaire in HoN doesn't pertain to a unique entity.

Saying one of the legionnaires will become Flux is pretty much already a truth since Flux's lore already stated that.

However saying something like:
The Legionnaire named Arcturus
The Legionnaire named Diabolos
The Legionnaire named Ironfang

will turn into Flux

Is a much harder thing to validate or predict.

Note: Those names aren't real.


Corrupted Disciple, what is his orb and how did he get it? why did he defect to the Hellbourne, was it because the Hellbourne corrupted him or because he chose to be corrupted? how powerful is he compared to other corrupted disciples and what is his rank within the Hellbourne, is he a pawn, a mighty soldier or even a valuable lieutenant? are all or some of his powers unique or do all corrupted disciples share them?


The Corrupted Disciple('s/s') orb(s) is/are simply sources of power and dark energies that have long been placed in Newerth by daemons for the intent of corruption. There are many corrupted disciples (you could say Maliken is an example), however the corrupted disciple you see in Newerth is just one of the examples of priests and magi from "The Sacred Order" that have traded in their Sol-given powers for the dark energies of the Hellbourne. Most likely through taint and corruption that have been ongoing for a long while now.

Corrupted Disciples are just pawns to the Hellbourne's corruption.



And, how are the Hellbourne united? are they united? it seems strange to me that some/most of the Hellbourne heroes would care so much for a united purpose. Is it really just for the sake of the game and they are much more individual in ''real'' HoN?

The Hellbourne, if you talk about the entities that were spawned from Hell in the events of the Scar, are indeed united as they only share one reason and one reason alone to purge all life from Newerth.

Based on the recurring appearance of the Hellbourne whenever the world is filled with too much chaos and discord through war and suffering, the Hellbourne is like the world's own "Reset Button" designed by hell. It purges the world of all sources of chaos and discord (ironically), which are the entities of free will on Newerth. After the purge is done, the Hellbourne becomes quenched and return to hell, and those of free will who survive the purge are to begin anew.

Think of the Hellbourne as "The Great Flood" in religion.

Based on the example by Drasha wherein Newerth lore is simply written by those who are from the future of Newerth, you can obviously see that whether it is the Legion or Hellbourne is the victor, it is still the same: Life Goes On.

If you're talking about "The Hellbourne" heroes in HoN's game, no they are not all united.

Some of them are merely maniacs to their own devices. Some of them are long standing legends and phantoms of Newerth (Plague Rider, Wretched Hag, Voodoo Jester, etc). The kinds of legends and folklore that people would tell their children and whatnot. *cough* Toothfairy *cough* Boogeyman *cough* etc.

[kerespup]

http://standupfortibet.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/silhouette-monk-male-lg-150x150.jpgExcerpt from the Diary of a Mad PriestWhy do we fight? What purpose does it serve for The Legion of Man to only prolong their suffering. We have all sinned! We have all walked down the path of corruption and taint! Those foolish lost souls who still bear their arms and fight the inevitable, screaming out glory in Sol's name. How can they not see, that it is Sol himself who has passed down this judgement on us! The Hellbourne is no different from the Great Flood in the ancient text. We are being punished by the gods for our sins! I have long served Sol's light and I have long studied the ancient scriptures, it is futile to resist the gods' judgement. I warned them, I warned all of them from the start! Yet now here I am imprisoned, here I am to be burned as a heretic or daemon-possessed. The Hellbourne will never cease to exist, for as long as free will, for as long as life exists. They will always be there at the ready, to cleanse these lands with brutal fire.

We brought this end upon ourselves!

May Sol have mercy on the souls of those who still resist his judgement... I shall await my brethren in the Elysian Fields...


This was the only readable text recovered within the book, everything else has been stained by blood or burnt by fire during the mass burning at the stakes in Arasunia.

[kerespup]

- The past is the past, and should remain in the past -

[DreadLocks]

Eh? Where'd that come from?

o_O I'm not treating you like one. I'm just saying my own opinion.

I'm not even antagonizing. o-o What the heck?

I really don't understand where this rage is coming from o_o I'm not picking a fight with you, all the more I'm only agreeing with your thoughts and ideas.

The only reason why I said those things was to clarify it for the people who don't follow CKmo's stories. None of my posts were ever meant to degrade you.

o_o I still don't see why you'd get mad enough to attack me over it.

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Honestly I'm still shocked and appalled by this sudden outburst

Well I certainly looked like an ass. >.>

I apologize for exploding on you like that. I've been in a severe emotional roller coaster the past few days due to several complications in my life and I lashed out on somebody that I shouldn't have. I am going to be honest when I say I cannot handle stress whatsoever and if I am under a large amount of it, I look for a vent to relief it which unfortunately happened to be you. I didn't really look at the context of your post and I thought you were just telling me I was flat out wrong (which was kind of a last straw), which obviously you were not. Generally I can keep my emotions under control but when stress, worry, and anxiety sets in it can really wear down barriers and let loose a tide of chaotic things, such as an ALL CAPS RAGE!!!!!11!1!11.

I've reflected upon my actions (during a nice hot shower) and I was the one at fault here, not you. You have made a quality thread with quality posts, and you are really working hard to make this work, so it is inexcusable for me to speak to you in such a manner. I will continue to make posts here under a much better attitude because, honestly, this is one of the few interesting reads left in GD and I want to be a part of it.

I apologize for my language, my actions, and my tone.

If I'm ever upset, I'll just make a whole bunch of :tund: because he looks so angry.

:tund::tund::tund::tund::tund::tund::tund::tund::t und::tund::tund::tund::tund::tund::tund::tund::tun d::tund::tund:

[Draconid]

>>Whereas the Moon Queen ruled over the night, the Monarch held dominion over day.

I am believing the Moon Warriors and the Monarch pretty much live in the same area, but they share it like day and night.

[kerespup]

>>Whereas the Moon Queen ruled over the night, the Monarch held dominion over day.

I am believing the Moon Warriors and the Monarch pretty much live in the same area, but they share it like day and night.


Yes, I believe so too. However, based on the physiology of samples from each race. (Monarch, Moon Queen and Pestilence) excluding their Alt Avatars...

We can also probably say that there is an unspoken 'territory' as well that: Whereas the Moon Queen ruled over the lands of <Place>, the Monarch rules its skies.

[BubblleBee]

Is there a map? Like for the whole Newerth?

[DreadLocks]

Is there a map? Like for the whole Newerth?

As far as we know: Nope.

We do know that Newerth is composed of one massive continent but we really don't have a map of the place. Think of it as Pangea.

[kerespup]

I wonder if there's a cartographer lurking in these forums that could help make/design a map of Newerth.

Anyhow, I think we should begin expanding on the stories of each Hero one by one. Let's begin with the one that needs it the most "Master of Arms" then afterwards go down the list as they appear in the selection menu, starting from Nighthound.

We'll begin by collecting and affirming information, then after enough information is gathered, we can put it up together into an extensive lore piece for the character.

Here are some facts, or would-be facts based on all the information we've gathered:

- Master of Arms was born and raised in Iron City.
- He was originally a Builder, yet trained (by himself?) as a soldier
- We can assume that his parents were both residents of Iron City.
- Despite being a Builder from the Forges of Iron City, he is more inclined to do battle than build gear and weaponry.
- He most likely has a long-standing friendship with The Engineer.
- Some time even before the Hellbourne threat, most likely still during the war with the beasts, he was drafted into the Legion army.
- During the time of the war, he lost his right eye. The size of the scar could very well indicate that it was from a Hunter's claws. (Could possibly be Blood Hunter).
- Nearing the end of the war with the beasts, he was promoted into a General of the Legion of Man's Army, and eventually the Legion Army.
- He may still have some bad blood towards the Beasts, but sees them as capable allies and soldiers nonetheless.

Is there anything anyone would like to append, modify or such before we create an extensive story/lore for him?

"Rally to me soldiers" is really gonna need to be changed soon anyways.

Also, for lore purposes only, we may need to give him a name.

[DreadLocks]

I wonder if there's a cartographer lurking in these forums that could help make/design a map of Newerth.

There is definitely a possibility and would make for a nice project. One of the biggest problems I would see is that we really don't know how big the continent actually is. It might be the same size as pangea, it might be smaller, or it could be twice as big for all we know. We also need to know which cities are relative to which mountain ranges, forests, oceans, marshes, chasms, etc etc.

I mean, look at LoL's map.
http://www.gamersgate.com/img/screenshots/DD-LOL/80322_World_map_of_Valoran_Final.jpg

Their lore or champions don't come from even half of those places but all the same, those places are still THERE. They give their world a shape that they can use and expand upon. We don't even know where the forests of caldavar are for petes sake. Is it on the frontlines of the war effort? Is it a small skirmish? A major battle? Do the legion/hellbourne fight to take it because it's heavy in resources, has major strategic value, or both? I would really like to know the answer to these questions.

[kerespup]

Some ideas for Master of Arms' name:

Baldemar - patron saint of blacksmiths
Euderyn - means "Battle Lord"
Gauthier - means "ruler of the army"

I'm coming up with a full detailed lore for Master of Arms, just missing a good name for him.

[DreadLocks]

Some ideas for Master of Arms' name:

Baldemar - patron saint of blacksmiths
Euderyn - means "Battle Lord"
Gauthier - means "ruler of the army"

I'm coming up with a full detailed lore for Master of Arms, just missing a good name for him.

How about Hephaestus, after the greek god? Hephaestus was a blacksmith, his body was littered with scars, and he was a burly manly man.

Or Wodin (pronounced Vodin), who was one of the main gods in Wagner's "Der Ring Des Nibelungen". He was heavily based off of Odin from Norse Mythology, including the beard and having only one eye with a rather large eye patch covering it, both of which fit MoA's appearance. These are just some of my suggestions.

I'm really trying to make amends here, I'd atleast like a post saying you've seen my apology or not :*(

[kerespup]

How about Hephaestus, after the greek god? Hephaestus was a blacksmith, his body was littered with scars, and he was a burly manly man.

Or Wodin (pronounced Vodin), who was one of the main gods in Wagner's "Der Ring Des Nibelungen". He was heavily based off of Odin from Norse Mythology, including the beard and having only one eye with a rather large eye patch covering it, both of which fit MoA's appearance. These are just some of my suggestions.

I'm really trying to make amends here, I'd atleast like a post saying you've seen my apology or not :*(

Saright man, seen your apology, forgave ya even before that :D

I think Wodin/Vodin would be great.

[Jeroz]

Now all we need is the seal of approval from a monkey head

[kerespup]

http://i.imgur.com/ikhoBs.jpg Vodin, the Master of Arms (Extended Hero Lore)Having lived his entire youth under the Blacksmiths of Iron City, Vodin's eyes never gazed upon the crafts of his bloodline. Instead his eyes were always upon the rabble and roughness of the warriors that come to and from battle.


Often accompanying the Legionnaires on their patrols, his eyes have beheld many battles. Soon, he himself became engaged in the art of battle, exceeding far beyond his own expectations. With the armaments created by his friend, The Engineer, he has vanquished many Beasts. The most memorable of his battles, ended in a stalemate with the Blood Hunter: The beast's fleshy wings were tattered, and Vodin's right eye was lost to the hunter's claws.


Vodin rose through the ranks in the army of the Legion of Man, and in time the New Legion's. His ferocity rivaling those of the beasts, his leadership that no man would question, and his mastery over every form of weaponry earned him the title: The Master of Arms.

"Rally to me Soldiers!" - Vodin, the Master of Arms

I'd like to ask for the assistance of any mod if it's possible to move this post up to the first page as the post the follows the opening post or something? Since I can no longer add anything to the main post? *bows apologetically* I'm sorry to take up your valuable time, but I would highly appreciate it, as we are limited to threads alone due to the lack of a proper forum/subforum. Please and thank you.

[Alfawarlord]

Make one for alt avatars?

[_Scars_]

Loving this thread, always wondered about some heroes origin, but im still wondering about chipper.
Could it be that all chiprels are that smart but they just dont show themselfs much and make everyone think that they are just mindless animals, while gaining information.
That would explain the chainsaws from chippers ulti, chiprels undeground hold them.

And some items on the site have lore too, like helm of the victim is used by the hellbourne to make people who get tortured stay alive.

[PunkScorpion]

Awesome Post!, keep doing the good job (:

and i like your Enchanted portraits too, wonder if S2 will bring this to oficial patch.

[kerespup]

Make one for alt avatars?

I will probably only write extended/definitive lore for canonical and completely different alt avatars such as Sachi Swiftblade and Flint Boomstick

I won't write lore for Alt AVs that are simply and obviously 'the same person' such as Forsaken Strider and Vacation Dampeer.


Loving this thread, always wondered about some heroes origin, but im still wondering about chipper.
Could it be that all chiprels are that smart but they just dont show themselfs much and make everyone think that they are just mindless animals, while gaining information.
That would explain the chainsaws from chippers ulti, chiprels undeground hold them.

And some items on the site have lore too, like helm of the victim is used by the hellbourne to make people who get tortured stay alive.

Chiprels are comparable to the squirrels of this era. Only a few Chiprels show intelligence, either through magical means, corruption an 'abnormal' growth. These intelligent chiprels act as leaders of the specific pack of chiprels they come from. There is even a religious cult of Chiprels living in Darkwood Vale.

Yes, I am quite interested in some of the items' lore, and in the items that have no lore. I will cover expanded item lores once I've done most of the heroes. For now items will simply be given soft introductions via the "Letters of a Boarkin Adventurer"


Awesome Post!, keep doing the good job (:

and i like your Enchanted portraits too, wonder if S2 will bring this to oficial patch.

One can only hope that they take notice of how advantageous such an eye candy is, just as one can only hope they realize how lore is also important.

[BuddhaKekz]

I will probably only write extended/definitive lore for canonical and completely different alt avatars such as Sachi Swiftblade and Flint Boomstick

I won't write lore for Alt AVs that are simply and obviously 'the same person' such as Forsaken Strider and Vacation Dampeer.


You shouldn't write lore at all for the alt avatars imo. They did in LoL and I think it is a bad idea. Now they have to explain in-universe why some of their champions perform in a metal band together.

The only alt avatarts that could be acknowledged in lore are the ones of heroes like Pyromancer (chances are high the The Sacred Order accepts female students) and Scout (we know that female Scouts exist) that are actually multiple units. Though not all multiple unit heroes have fitting avatars for lore, like Electrician and his Demon Buster avatar (would only make sence if he was part of the Legion).

[kerespup]

You shouldn't write lore at all for the alt avatars imo. They did in LoL and I think it is a bad idea. Now they have to explain in-universe why some of their champions perform in a metal band together.

The only alt avatarts that could be acknowledged in lore are the ones of heroes like Pyromancer (chances are high the The Sacred Order accepts female students) and Scout (we know that female Scouts exist) that are actually multiple units. Though not all multiple unit heroes have fitting avatars for lore, like Electrician and his Demon Buster avatar (would only make sence if he was part of the Legion).

Hmmm, yes, that is quite right I suppose. I'll retract my previous statement then and simply write non-canonical lore for Alt-Avatars as a means of entertainment for people.

Also, o3o I never realized there was an S2 Staff Member named "LoreMeister" I hope he helps with our cause.

[Jeroz]

I always see :engi2: as the disciple of :engi:, the carefree student from the astute technician. If you apply to the change in skillset it could still be canon

[kerespup]

http://i.imgur.com/2yques.jpg?1 Hantumon, the Night Hound
Born from a taboo bond between man and beast, Hantumon was abandoned by his human birthmother. With the blood of both man and beast flowing through his veins he was hunted by humans, and outcasted by the beasts. Being part human, he had an innate sense of survival and was gifted with human speech; his leonine blood gave him agile reflexes and predetorial instincts and his nightly colors let him blend with the shadows.

Hantumon had long been on his own, till he was met by the queen of the beast horde herself, Ophelia. Rumored to be one of an unnatural parantage as well, Ophelia and Hantumon had a mutual understanding. It was Ophelia who gave him the name "Hantumon" which both means "ghost man" and "That which kills". He grew accustomed to his life in the Beast Horde, using his innate abilities to scout through Legion camps and assassinate high-ranking officers. He was then dubbed by the Legion of Man as "The Night Hound", a name he eventually took pride on.


With the formation of the New Legion, Hantumon continues to serve Ophelia's Beast Horde whilst struggling to be accepted by the humans, whose blood also runs in his veins.


"Beware the darkness of the night! For in its guise lurks a hunter bringing your demise"

[DreadLocks]

If he was abandoned at birth, who gave him his birth name?

Also, I wonder if Night Hounds Father is going to be of any importance...

[kerespup]

If he was abandoned at birth, who gave him his birth name?

Also, I wonder if Night Hounds Father is going to be of any importance...

Good call there. I will edit it a bit to show where that part came from.

Interestingly, Night Hound's mane and tail are similar to that of the leonine version of Gemini, but since alt-avatars are mostly non-canon, we could look another way.

His father could be material for the cauldron, a possible new hero perhaps.

I added in this line:


It was Ophelia who gave him the name "Hantumon" which both means "ghost man" and "That which kills".

[kerespup]

http://i.imgur.com/KFAeLs.jpg Hiro, the Swiftblade (Extended Hero Lore)
The warrior known as Swiftblade has always been an enigma to the many warriors of The Legion. Once a proud savage by the name of Hiro from the a nomadic tribe, Hiro was one of the finest warriors among his people. With extensive training in melee combat, his strength was unmatched. Boasting himself worthy of any foe, he had set out to the jungles of Darkwood Vale.


Despite his power and strength however, he was unable keep up with the speed and cunning of the agile beasts lurking in the jungles of Darkwood Vale. Crippled and wounded, Hiro found himself wandering lost in the jungle till he finds a ruin within the vale. As a means to mislead the beasts, he shed his bloodstained pelts and threw them into the jungle.


Within the ruins, he hears a voice calling out to him, drawing him deeper and deeper into it. Soon he came across a sight of splendor: a set of armor that had layed untouched by man and time itself. Without any hesitation, he adorned himself with the oriental armor for not any sooner did the beasts arrive having catched whiff of his scent. As the final peice of the set was worn, the headpiece to the majestic set, he could feel his body lighten and his senses heighten. In an instant, he danced through the beasts with his blades in tow cutting through them like the swift winds.


He celebrated his own victory, yet soon his joy was replaced with fear, for he could not take off the ancient armor. Thoughts not of his own began to invade his mind and just as how swift as he vanquished the beasts - did Hiro the proud savage disappear, leaving only the warrior known as Swiftblade.


"There is a tale, of an armor that gives great power and agility, but those who adorn it becomes nothing more than a slave to the armor itself"

[DreadLocks]

Just a slight nitpick, you are using the word "tribe" way too much in the first paragraph, to the point that it's quite noticeable and really bogs down the sentence flow. If you were to replace a few of those instances with such ones as "peers", "people", "fellow soldiers", and the like it would sound much better.

Otherwise, fantastic job.

[Draconid]

A part from master of arms, Keeper of the forest still keeping his old lore after he changed his skill set, that is even more misleading than that of MOA

[kerespup]

Just a slight nitpick, you are using the word "tribe" way too much in the first paragraph, to the point that it's quite noticeable and really bogs down the sentence flow. If you were to replace a few of those instances with such ones as "peers", "people", "fellow soldiers", and the like it would sound much better.

Otherwise, fantastic job.

:D Thanks for the proofreading!!! I've fixed it up a bit.


A part from master of arms, Keeper of the forest still keeping his old lore after he changed his skill set, that is even more misleading than that of MOA

I'll get there eventually.

[Drasha]

Moving the the new lore section!

Also short story contest! (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?412936-Frost-Field-Short-Story-Contest)

[kerespup]

Moon Queen's Lore is now available in the Extended Lore Thread.

With the revelation of the Frostfield Region, I believe I may need to update the main post some.

Here are some of my speculations that rose from it:

There is a possibility that Ice of the Gemini is one of the Frostwolves of Frost Fang.
Horfot Academy may be home to a few of Newerth's scholars: Bubbles, Auric (Midas) and possibly Artesia as well, however I do not believe Rhapsody has gone through the pilgrimage to reach Horfot and may simply have been from Arasunia.

[IsmaelVera]

"Balphagore is one of the strongest and most recognized Malphai of the Hellbourne. He is the personification of Gluttony; he devours both those who are living, and both those who have long died to appease his undying hunger."

Yes. He. Is.
:balp:

[Strider]

"Balphagore is one of the strongest and most recognized Malphai of the Hellbourne. He is the personification of Gluttony; he devours both those who are living, and both those who have long died to appease his undying hunger."

Yes. He. Is.
:balp:
Balphagore isn't a malphas.

[kerespup]

Balphagore isn't a malphas.

This is one of the things that confuses me, in the previous lores of Newerth (Savage 2), the Legion of Man refers to the demons that spawned from hell as the Malphai, however at times they refer to them as the Daemons, then the one that Hellbringer summons (and is presumed as an Avatar of Hell itself) is called Malphas.

It seems to be really a broad scope at the moment, and I do hope it'll be cleared up in time as more lore is uncovered.

[Drasha]

Malphai is the plural form of malphas which is a balrog like demon. In savage 2 there were only 3 types of demons devouers, revenants, and malphas. Once the scar opened and demons were no longer summoned we got more variety.

[kerespup]

Malphai is the plural form of malphas which is a balrog like demon. In savage 2 there were only 3 types of demons devouers, revenants, and malphas. Once the scar opened and demons were no longer summoned we got more variety.

Alright, I'll fix up my data and accordingly replace the wrong details.

[CKMo]

Malphai is the plural form of malphas which is a balrog like demon. In savage 2 there were only 3 types of demons devouers, revenants, and malphas. Once the scar opened and demons were no longer summoned we got more variety.

Truth.

[kerespup]

Currently on break due to examinations. :3 Feel free to discuss things within the topic and around the lore forums~!

[Draconid]

was wondering why there are no new extended lore lol

good luck on your exam, looking forward for your return

[Jeroz]

Hopefully we can get the official S2 lore person here for some discussion. You set up a nice platform organising all the existing facts while providing some interesting speculations.

I would like to know what he thinks about the world presented in Newerth so far...or maybe I'm just asking too much :P

[BuddhaKekz]

I have question that could be discussed. Amun Ra, is he really the egyptian god or is he some kind of demon/evil god that just happens to have the same name?

My personal thesis: It's the egyptian god and he went mad after people stopped worshipping him and in the end forgot about him. Maybe without his priests he had no way of contacting the mortals and the isolation has driven him insane. After eons the corrupted discibles found a way to summon him and now he wants to get revenge.

[Jeroz]

is corrupted disciple formerly one that practises the religion? or a disciple to some other form of art?

So many questions unanswered. This is crazy

[Drasha]

From corrupted disciples lore it looks like he was a disciple of sol before becoming a member of the hellbourne.

Also I don't think S2 has an official lore person.

[CKMo]

From corrupted disciples lore it looks like he was a disciple of sol before becoming a member of the hellbourne.

Also I don't think S2 has an official lore person.

Eh technically there is, but he's been really far removed from S2 Newerth Lore for a while. Mark Yohalem?

[Jeroz]

Don't forget to update with the content on :ello: :)

would be fun to guess her relations with other residents of the Frost Field/Tundra.

[Skinsword]

I have question that could be discussed. Amun Ra, is he really the egyptian god or is he some kind of demon/evil god that just happens to have the same name?

My personal thesis: It's the egyptian god and he went mad after people stopped worshipping him and in the end forgot about him. Maybe without his priests he had no way of contacting the mortals and the isolation has driven him insane. After eons the corrupted discibles found a way to summon him and now he wants to get revenge.

To me it seemed that Ra was created in some sort of ritual from the Corrupted Disciples of Sol. Maybe the CD were trying to summon Sol to the plane but instead they summoned Ra, which represents Sol's evil half to Newerth instead.

[BuddhaKekz]

I think Ravenors lore is quite interesting:


The souls of the damned suffer eternal torments in the hells ruled over by the Daemon Lords. The administration of such torments are left in the hands of the cruelest and most sadistic of all the condemned. These irredeemable souls take such delight in the torture of others that they are imbued with the purest essences of anger, cruelty, and hate. These beings earn a title that strikes fear into both the living, and the dead; they are the reapers of souls, the crushers of dreams, the bastions of terror, and the delivers of the damned. They are Ravenors, and their Lord is known by that title alone.

As chief tormentors of hell, the ravernors could be responcible for Accursed's creation.


Many have speculated as to what great, damned warrior now lives in torment within the burning armor that marches alongside the Hellbourne army. The Accursed, as he is known, screams in agony as he brings fiery devastation to his foes, but his actions seem driven more by a desire to find oblivion than by malice.

Also the demon, Torturer made a bargain with, could have been such a ravenor


Many years ago, the Torturer was just a dying man who made a pact to serve the Hellbourne in exchange for eternal life. However, to ensure his loyalty without the distraction of physical temptations, the Hellbourne stripped the man of his physical body leaving the pure energy of destruction, agony, and hate.

Are there more hints to the ravenors in other hero lores? Don't get me wrong, I don't think they wrote this with the Ravenor in mind, however it could have been the other way round, maybe they took inspiration for the lore of this hero from the already existing ones.

[kerespup]

I believe it's the latter. They have already made and thought of so much "slaves" to the Hellbourne, Maliken being one as well, but they have never established a personae to embody the ones who administrate over their initial torment/acquisition. I believe that Ravenor stemmed from this thought.

[Jeroz]

Reading :lord:'s backstory I feel like there could be a tale on what happened when Blackwal fell, if he's the commander back then.

Die he died a valiant death trying to fight back but lost to the overwhelming numbers?
Did he negotiate with the hellbourne army and betrayed his people?
Did h sacrificed himself to the hellbourne to protect his people, only to be backstabbed by the demons?

there are a lot of possibilities to this character, and those three scenarios will paint 3 completely different pictures.

most importantly, why is there no support from the main capital? why did :jere: allow this city to be fallen?
What happens when :lord: and :jere: comes face to face on the battlefield? would :jere: be filled with regret? or will he condemn :lord: for selling out his own people?

[kerespup]

Concerning Salforis, I believe that he was swayed by the Hellbourne (we can assume that one of his advisors was a disguised daemon) into believing that they were abandoned by Jeraziah. Slowly, bit by bit, Salforis' doubt grew and grew, and eventually he became corrupted.

[Devilsnight]

Why is it you do not consider Soulstealer to be hell spawned?
I mean I know his description speaks nothing of hell and only mentions demons as what he summons.. but just look at him :P looks nothing like man or beast.

[kerespup]

As there are different types of creatures, there are different types of spirits and beings as well.

Soul Stealer is more of a Mythical Being no different from the Keres of Greek Mythology, or The Flying Dutchman as an entity along with Davy Jones' locker.

There are 3 Different pathways for the souls in Newerth:

1. Die and go to the Elysian Fields (Heaven)
2. Have your soul reaped by the Soul Reaper (Endless torment in Hell)
3. Have your soul stolen by the Soul Stealer (your soul is forever trapped in his 'shadowy sack', never able to go to Heaven, never able to be brought to Hell, just becomes a substance for Soul Stealer's own power).

[Devilsnight]

Why yes, elementals and stuff too.
But how do you know? I figured Soul Stealer to be a sort of selfish demon, not caring for Soul Reapers mission. Evil beings doesn't always work nice together.

[BuddhaKekz]

There are actually a couple of heroes that seem to have dominion over souls. Pharaoh (Tormented Soul, possibly Mummy Wall), Lord Salforis ("[...] draining their souls"), Forsaken Archer ("[...] it is souls she captures"), Shadow Blade ("[...] drinker of souls"), Defiler (Unholy Expulsion) and Revenant ("[...] Risen from the souls of the fallen and forgotten").

[Rulke55]

If Soul Reaper just the grim reaper, then how is he really considered evil? He's just doing his job. Misguided perhaps, but not truly evil. As for Defiler, I think she's a demon, perhaps similar to idea of Torturer, someone who made a deal, which would explain why she's got no mouth.

[Devilsnight]

There are actually a couple of heroes that seem to have dominion over souls. Pharaoh (Tormented Soul, possibly Mummy Wall), Lord Salforis ("[...] draining their souls"), Forsaken Archer ("[...] it is souls she captures"), Shadow Blade ("[...] drinker of souls"), Defiler (Unholy Expulsion) and Revenant ("[...] Risen from the souls of the fallen and forgotten").
Why yes, but those are not spawned in hell :P
Pharao was an ancient king, salforis was a baron/land lord of some kind but still a man, Forsaken Archer once a beautiful woman, Shadow Blade was a blade forged in hell, and revenant is a soul revived form the dead.

Defiler could also be hell spawned, but considering her almost humanoid looks i'd rather think of her as someone influenced by the hellborne like maliken.
It's really only Soul Stealer, Soul Reaper and Forsaken Archer who actually captures souls, whereas the others uses souls that presumably already were in hell.
And only Soul Stealer and Soul Reaper who comsumes the souls, whereas Forsaken Archer keeps the souls on newerth in the form of material minion. That she in the game can hide the minions.. I dont know. Does she engulf the souls meanwhile or merely hide them for the effect of not letting opponents gain money? She doesn't keep them and after some time they die off as if she doesn't have the power to keep the souls.


If Soul Reaper just the grim reaper, then how is he really considered evil? He's just doing his job. Misguided perhaps, but not truly evil. As for Defiler, I think she's a demon, perhaps similar to idea of Torturer, someone who made a deal, which would explain why she's got no mouth.
Well, Soul Reaper's description speaks of how he was spawned from hell and is on a mission (charged by himself or someone else) to capture the souls of newerth. I doubt all souls of newerth deserves to go to hell, some should deserve to go to the elysian fields when they aren't caught by Soul Stealer. As a matter of fact, none should deserve hell that but that is another discussion ;)

[Jeroz]

The lore for :rave: describes them as the ones torturing other souls in hell. They are a group of sadistic entities that takes delight in making other souls suffer. Wouldn't be surprised if they work with :soulr: as the next one in the factory line of recycling souls.

[Devilsnight]

Yes, Ravenors ties nicely in with the existing lore.
What's interesting is that it seems not even they are hell spawned, but rather hell transformed.
Speaks of them being condemned and imbued with power.

[BuddhaKekz]

Why yes, but those are not spawned in hell :P

Yeah I just wanted to point out that there a several heroes that can utilize souls, of course not all of them are demons.^^



salforis was a baron/land lord of some kind but still a man, [...], Shadow Blade was a blade forged in hell, and revenant is a soul revived form the dead..

Well I partly disagree with that, Shadow Blade for example has shown the ability to keep atleast 4 souls permanetly. The question is, is he considered a demon or just a weapon? Does he have a mind of his own or is just a blade with a powerful, soulcapturing spell cast on him? Also Salforis is able to capture and consume souls, with his ultimate "The Undying". Of course he is no demon, but a powerful necromancer. Were do his souls go after he used them? Directly to Soul Reaper or are they sort of destroyed? That leads to the question, can souls be destroyed by "eating" them? If not, where do they go? Also I think Revenants are not just one soul, but actually fusion of several souls, judging by Rev's lore. Atleast his HoN Lore, I haven't played Savage, but I know he appears there too, so I don't know if his Savage lore says something completly different.



Yes, Ravenors ties nicely in with the existing lore.
What's interesting is that it seems not even they are hell spawned, but rather hell transformed.
Speaks of them being condemned and imbued with power.

Hmm that gave me an idea. Maybe not a single demon is hell spawned and they are actually corrupted beings from different planets/universes? Seeing how many members of the Hellbourne are corrupted humans/beasts/elementals it doesn't seem to unlikely.

[Devilsnight]

Well I partly disagree with that, Shadow Blade for example has shown the ability to keep atleast 4 souls permanetly. The question is, is he considered a demon or just a weapon? Does he have a mind of his own or is just a blade with a powerful, soulcapturing spell cast on him?
Difficult to say. His description talks about how people slain by the sword became bound to it. Not whether it killed them on its own, or if it were bound with an existing soul before tasting battle, or if another demon/human wielded it and either left it be after it took its own shapes or if the demon/human itself got imprisoned by it.
But at least it was forged in hell and not spawned on its own or however the other demons are.
Personally I don't care. Would be kind of cool to have a sentient evil sword. But that it also might be a magical sword that can't do anything without a host is also fine by me.


can souls be destroyed by "eating" them? If not, where do they go?
Who knows. I think that when a being dies then the soul will be judged and either go to the Elysian fields, or they will be captured by a reaper of souls. Ravenors also seem like the can reap souls. When Soul Stealer dies he loses half of his souls and I'm thinking maybe half of them are freed in that moment.
Perhaps they become lost souls like Revenant. Perhaps they find their way to the Elysian fields after being cleansed in pain and suffering. But that is just purely speculations and not substantiated at all.


Hmm that gave me an idea. Maybe not a single demon is hell spawned and they are actually corrupted beings from different planets/universes? Seeing how many members of the Hellbourne are corrupted humans/beasts/elementals it doesn't seem to unlikely.
Doesn't it say in some of the descriptions that they are hell spawned? The lore speaks of how the emergence of the hellbourne perhaps worked as a sort of 'great flood to purge the sins of newerth', or that hell regurgitated the abundance of souls up to cleanse the remaining beings, so they could just as well have been created by Sol. Some demons are created from fear, like Arachna.
But since we know creatures like Andromeda exists, who knows.

[kerespup]

Let me clarify some things to the best of my ability.

As I stated above, there are only two INITIAL COLLECTORS (or Firsthand Collectors of Souls): Soulstealer and Soul Reaper.

Soulstealer for his own purposes, and Soul Reaper for the Hellbourne.

Now let's go over the Hellbourne Slaves and Daemons with somewhat 'similar abilities'.

Before I start, I'd like to point to the newly added Ravenor, who is the 'chief warden' of the souls of Hell.

Now, let's go over Shadowblade.

Shadowblade is a Living Sword, or rather, a Daemon Sword forged in Hell with the souls of different warriors. These souls could simply come from the vast collection of souls in Hell provided by none other than Soul Reaper.

Pharaoh, while not originally a Hellbourne Daemon until he was revived is a special case. As you all know, Pharaohs are buried with their servants, so we can assume that the mummies and tormented souls are exactly that, his servants.

Salforis, he is indeed simply a necromancer, not exactly a collector of souls like SS and SR, although it is well known in all forms of lore and fantasy fictions that when a spirit is consumed, it ceases to exist and simply extends or enhances the life of the one that consumes it.

Forsaken Archer, another special case but mind you is a Hellbourne Slave, given the ability to capture souls TEMPORARILY. Although she is able to use souls to fight for her in skeletal forms, when these skeletal forms are destroyed or expire, their souls are immediately released.

Defiler is indeed, Hellspawned, and is among the higher ranks of the Hellbourne. I believe the souls from Unholy Expulsion are not souls she collected herself but merely a received as a stipend from the Hellbourne. Which of course is collected by Soul Reaper.

Revenant is not exactly a single soul himself, he is actually the embodiment of the pain and discord of the perished souls of war. Basically he exists because there is war and conflict, not because he's fueled by a single soul.

[Devilsnight]

You mean Ravenors also are reapers of souls as per their description, although Ravenor himself doesn't seem to show the ability that he can.
If you consider Defiler a hellspawn then why not type it into your "Heroes grouped by place of origin"? ;)

Is it well known in all fiction that a spirit cease to exist?

But back to Soul Stealer; why do you not consider him hell spawned?

[Jeroz]

Ravenor's lore says that they are the ones torturing the souls, not the one that reaps it.

[Devilsnight]

Ravenor's lore says that they are the ones torturing the souls, not the one that reaps it.
These beings earn a title that strikes fear into both the living, and the dead; they are the reapers of souls, the crushers of dreams, the bastions of terror, and the delivers of the damned. They are Ravenors, and their Lord is known by that title alone.

EDIT: And considering we only know of 1 Soul Reaper whereas it says that there are many ravenors we might start to assume that it is the ravenors who reaps the most souls in general. Perhaps Soul Reaper deals with the more difficult souls to capture.

[BuddhaKekz]

Or Soul Reaper is in fact a ravenor himself. Note that it says only their lord goes by the title Ravenor alone, other ravenors can possibly have over names.

Edit: We also don't know what other ravenors look like, perhabs it's more like a rank name, than a sub-species of demons that look similar.

[Devilsnight]

Or Soul Reaper is in fact a ravenor himself. Note that it says only their lord goes by the title Ravenor alone, other ravenors can possibly have over names.

Edit: We also don't know what other ravenors look like, perhabs it's more like a rank name, than a sub-species of demons that look similar.
I don't think Soul Reaper is a ravenor because ravenors aren't born in hell but were condemned to go there and was imbued by power by someone down there, whereas Soul Reaper was indeed born in the depths of hell.
But I do agree that the name ravenor could be a rank rather than a sub-species.

EDIT: I would imagine that Ravenor and his ravenors works directly under Soul Reaper.
One thing that sounds interesting in Soul Reapers description is this;
"With the authority to instantly judge those he comes in contact with" Authority?

[kerespup]

I consider Soulstealer to not be a Hell-born daemon as he is more of one of the 'natural' wonders that came with Newerth. A long living legend, myth or whatever title it holds, like Plague Rider, Puppet Master and Wretched Hag.

[Devilsnight]

But how? He doesn't use any natural powers. Fear, demon summing, soul capturing and soul releasing doesn't sound natural.
Just the things he does and the things he says doesn't make him sound like something nature would do. His abilities just sound evil, even compared to the other legends.

And the other legends also sound and look as if they had a normal life once but turned bad due to unknown circumstances/magic/hell influences/etc. examples;
- Sand wraith manipulates sand but that isn't evil in itself. His body looks a lot like a human skeleton that has been twisted. I can imagine he had a human life once but after struggling in the desert starving and dehydraded he might have made a pact with someone that turned him into what he is now. Perhaps he is related to Nomad, and that is the reason Nomad hunts him, to rid him of a desert curse.
- Puppet manipulates creatures, but he does through dolls of which is a very human thing. He also looks surprisingly human and uses dolls, of which also is a human thing and uses human terms. Not natural wonder.
- Hag also sound and looks a lot like an old and twisted woman. Like Ophelia she is able to manipulate creatures, or that is bats in her case. Had we not known of Ophelias past then she could be in this genre as well. But now we know we can point to her being human born in a human settlement having human family, perhaps with the exception of her mother.
- Plague rider I actually consider somewhat close to what Doctor Repulsor once was, a professor or doctor in diseases or plagues, but changed in form and demeanor because of the experiments and perhaps hellbourne influence. He also uses very human like terms such as 'sick as a dog'. He refers jokingly to the black plague as a result of his experiments in his youth, as if he ages but slowly and isn't in a static form like Soul Stealer seems to be. How he aquired his dragon; I have no idea. But could make for an interesting story.

The point is all those legends, as much as we don't exactly know how they came to be, we can estimate that most of them were humans or beasts once, and therefore human/beast born from some settlement. And that something then happened that transformed them. As we know with wildsoul/bubbles you can certainly change a lot in form while still maintaining some characteristics of your former self.

But Soul Stealer is just out of the scale by being this spirit looking being, more like a living nightmare made of whatever substance that doesn't look very natural. Someone/something who doesn't age in form. His form is more like a tempest, a spirit, but tempests being made from elementals seem to use the power of nature that they probably inherited from the elementals (fire, ice, wind manipulation) whereas Soul Stealer uses more 'evil' methods (stealing souls, summoning demons, exploding souls, fear to cripple beings) that seems more akin to hellspawned demons. I don't see why nature should have made a Soul Stealer if not for the same reason the other hellbourne were spawned and why it seems like it only made 1, Like with Soul Reaper, whereas spirits like tempests were plentiful.

[BuddhaKekz]

Yep Soul Stealer being some kind of elemental or other natural creature doesn't seem all that likely. He could be once a servant to Soul Reaper, with the duty to catch souls, but he did take such delight in using them for his own merits that he turned more or less renegade. He is still working for the Hellbourne as a whole, but he does not work for Soul Reaper anymore.

[Devilsnight]

Yep Soul Stealer being some kind of elemental or other natural creature doesn't seem all that likely. He could be once a servant to Soul Reaper, with the duty to catch souls, but he did take such delight in using them for his own merits that he turned more or less renegade. He is still working for the Hellbourne as a whole, but he does not work for Soul Reaper anymore.'
Yes, that is more like what I would think of him. A renegade too greedy to share the souls he collects. Question is then if he once was considered a ravenor (if it being a rank and not a specie) or if he is one of a kind.

[MottiYazata]

Soul Stealer, in my opinion, was a "urban legend" before Rise of Hellbourne. He was attracted to them like Hag or Slither, and joined them. He collects souls for himself, not for Hellbourne, which puts him in some kind of antagonism with them. God thing they both want to collect every soul ever, so they are ok for now. If Hellbourne wins War, well... In that case he, and many others, will be collected for Hellbourne... But, that's just my point of view...

[Devilsnight]

Soul Stealer, in my opinion, was a "urban legend" before Rise of Hellbourne. He was attracted to them like Hag or Slither, and joined them. He collects souls for himself, not for Hellbourne, which puts him in some kind of antagonism with them. God thing they both want to collect every soul ever, so they are ok for now. If Hellbourne wins War, well... In that case he, and many others, will be collected for Hellbourne... But, that's just my point of view...
It is not to seem closeminded, but as with kerespup, just saying that he is an urban legend/myth doesn't really do anything but putting a label on his head that says 'I have no idea where this guy is from and it doesn't matter'. Every myth has an origin, be it in someones head or an actual occurrence.
He has to come from somewhere. He has to be someone.
It is kind of like with Glacius. He is considered a legend of Frostfield. A once mighty warrior trapped within an icy prison who were said to break free whenever he was needed the most. As much as that is fine and all that still means he has to have an origin. He has ice powers and considering the legend comes from Frostfield we can assume that is his place of birth or at least the place he spend the most to develop his powers. Considering he was once perceived as a great warrior by man and has magical powers, we can assume he was some kind of wizard beforehand, a man that is.

So Glacius is a legend, but he has an origin and we can with almost certainty define him by specie and place of birth.

Oh also, slither is hellspawn from the seventh pit in hell and we can assume he arrived late to the battle;
"The Serpent of the Seventh Pit, feeder on the sick and the weak, was summoned forth in the last days of the war between Man and Beast"

[Devilsnight]

Also, another about Soul Stealer that I really don't like is that in his quotes he says:
"What does my dark lord desire".

It makes him seem like a subordinate of sorts. Of which might mean he isn't a renegade at all but follows orders. I had kind of wanted him to be someone highly ranked.

Another very interesting quote by him is:"
"Lay waste to their precious newerth"

Their? As in he does not come from it? As in he came from hell? ;) Or perhaps not even from the planet.

[_Scars_]

i think with dark lord he means us (the player) like soul reaper sometimes says "you're lucky i let you order me around"
and i think he has something to do with the hellbourne, his hand say in the discription that those hands are from deamons
not sure about that though, will look it up

yes, it says:
Soulstealer calls upon the greater Hellbourne daemons to lay waste to the enemies before him.

[Devilsnight]

He has something to do with the hellbourne that is for certain, besides him being on their side. The question is how much.
Yeah, maybe he is talking to the player who controls him when he refers to a dark lord.

[MottiYazata]

He has something to do with the hellbourne that is for certain, besides him being on their side. The question is how much.
Yeah, maybe he is talking to the player who controls him when he refers to a dark lord.

Breaking the 4th wall? Interesting... Whatever he is, he is so much insane that he finally figured out. He is in a Video Game. Like Deadpool or Joker, they are aware of their position as a comic characters...

[Devilsnight]

Breaking the 4th wall? Interesting... Whatever he is, he is so much insane that he finally figured out. He is in a Video Game. Like Deadpool or Joker, they are aware of their position as a comic characters...If he is indeed talking to the player ;)

[kerespup]

A lot of the characters break the 4th wall mind you :3

[Rulke55]

I know you don't want to go into all the alternate skins for Heroes, but two stand out and make me wonder, Zero for Ellonia and the new Ophelia one, my theory for the second is it's what would have happened if Ophelia had sided with Hellbourne. As for Zero anyone got any theories on him, is he perhaps one of Ellonia's most trusted advisors, opinions?

[BuddhaKekz]

Or they are just stand ins for an DnD Mind Flayer and Mortal Kombat's Sub Zero. ;)

Of course you could argue what Ophelia would look like that if she got corrupted by the Hellbouren (same with the Jeraziah avatar) but well that kinda get's us no where. If you take one alt as canon you have to take all, in my opinion at least.

I said it before, the only alt avatars that could be considered canon are the ones of multiple unit heroes (or in some cases perhaps wardrobe changes) but even then we got almost only very debatable alts, so I think it's easier to just ignore them. Maybe we could get an extra thread for talking about the alts as some kind of alternate universe lore.

[Devilsnight]

I agree, the alts shouldn't really be considered for this universe lore but if anything an alternative one.

[Rulke55]

I agree, the alts shouldn't really be considered for this universe lore but if anything an alternative one.

Which would tie into the fact about Ophelia in the alternate Universe she became a Hellbourne. If we're to talk on these, we need a seperate thread, but I don't think all alts could be used, only ones that seem to make sense in their world.

[Devilsnight]

Which would tie into the fact about Ophelia in the alternate Universe she became a Hellbourne. If we're to talk on these, we need a seperate thread, but I don't think all alts could be used, only ones that seem to make sense in their world.
How do you make the distinction of what alt can be used and what can't? ; )

[Rulke55]

How do you make the distinction of what alt can be used and what can't? ; )

Well for instance Ophelia, Riftwalker, Berserker, Artillery, Ellonia, notice the trend here, their alternates look like they were once we who they were, but chose different directions in life, for instance Artillery chose to become more like a machine than man and Riftwalker delved deeper into her magic, making her more monsters than human. Basically you go with which ones look like their life could have gone this direction in another scenario. So none of the Devo skins for instance, although Ra alternate skin I feel is his pure form, uncorrupted, this make sense?

[Myzreal]

Actually RA alternative skin (the skeleton one) refers to his DOTA counterpart, which is the Skeleton King. And if you mean the Phoenix one then it's hard to agree, as phoenix is a popular mythological creature known for it's ability to rebirth. The hero design has the same ability so it was just a matter of time for someone to link it and make a Phoenix avatar.

[Rulke55]

Actually RA alternative skin (the skeleton one) refers to his DOTA counterpart, which is the Skeleton King. And if you mean the Phoenix one then it's hard to agree, as phoenix is a popular mythological creature known for it's ability to rebirth. The hero design has the same ability so it was just a matter of time for someone to link it and make a Phoenix avatar.

Ra in Egyptian mythology was often represented as a Phoenix, so it's not too much to suggest. But as I said this would need to be another thread, just not all heroes fit into alternate reality of Newerth only certain ones do.

[Jeroz]

easily put, the ones that stands for a unit than an individual can be incorporated. assuming no fun costumes.

:scou: :scou2:
:pyro: :pyro2:
:elec: :elec3:
:poll: :poll2:
:chip: :chip2:
:slit: :slit2:


and even for individuals like
:phar: :phar2:
:shad: :shad2:
:engi: :engi2:
:dead: :dead3:
:keep: :keep3:
:hamm: :hamm2:

also the ones like :vind: and :vind2: can be used to describe the change in character and skillset

[BuddhaKekz]

easily put, the ones that stands for a unit than an individual can be incorporated. assuming no fun costumes.

:slit: :slit2:


and even for individuals like
:phar: :phar2:
:dead: :dead3:
:keep: :keep3:
:hamm: :hamm2:


I agree with all but the quoted ones. As far as we know there is only one Slither. Of course Ivy Slither (I know it's MSIvy) could be another demon frome the same pit. In that case I would prefer to call her just Ivy.

Same applies to the individuals, the alt avatars could just be other beings with similar power, but how likely is it that the Hellbourne finds two mummy's, Pharaoh and Cleopatra (which one? egypt had atleast 7, but I guess it's the famous one^^) who have the exact same powers? And then a third from China. Well it did happen in Brandon Frasier's Mummy films...

However I still think we should make an extra thread for avatars, even without them there is enough to discuss and speculate in this thread.

[_Scars_]

there are only a few alts that are not messing up the lore, like bombs alts and chipper but most of them have nothing to do with newerth, they are just made to look nice and have the same feel as the original hero, but no background.

this is why they shouldnt be discussed in this thread

[Rulke55]

I agree with all but the quoted ones. As far as we know there is only one Slither. Of course Ivy Slither (I know it's MSIvy) could be another demon frome the same pit. In that case I would prefer to call her just Ivy.

Same applies to the individuals, the alt avatars could just be other beings with similar power, but how likely is it that the Hellbourne finds two mummy's, Pharaoh and Cleopatra (which one? egypt had atleast 7, but I guess it's the famous one^^) who have the exact same powers? And then a third from China. Well it did happen in Brandon Frasier's Mummy films...

However I still think we should make an extra thread for avatars, even without them there is enough to discuss and speculate in this thread.

Agreed, so who starts it?

[_Scars_]

Agreed, so who starts it?
just started one http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?430311-alt-avatars-lore

[ImCantPlay]

If the Hellbourne are supposed to cleanse Newerth of life, what will happen to their corrupted slaves if they succeed? Will personas like Artesia, Maliken, the corrupted disciples of Sol, Doctor Repulsor, Lord Salforis, Demented Shaman, Gunblade etc. be killed as well? what happens when the in-game Corrupted Disciple dies seems to point to them just being used as tools until they're no longer needed and then they will be killed too (CD gets sucked into his orb). Can they earn the right to live if they succeed well enough or are they truly just expendable slaves?

How does Hellbourne corruption affect you? does it eliminate your free will or does it influence you like the dark side in Star Wars or just being high on a drug? can it be both and vary? I mean are the beings who are corrupted or willingly serve the Hellbourne aware of their incoming demise should their own faction succeed or are they just naive to the point of not thinking about the consequences of ''their'' side winning? is it that the powers of the Hellbourne influence them so much that increasingly, all they feel is a desire to kill, destroy, hate etc. and this would naturally lead to a (probably complete) lack of much thinking at all and especially long-term thinking?

Do the corrupted/willing slaves of the Hellbourne have independent control of the powers they have been given or can they be taken back at will? for example, is CD's orb just a manipulative object that responds to its controller or is it like The One Ring that will semi-sentiently always serve its true master?

[Drasha]

If the Hellbourne are supposed to cleanse Newerth of life, what will happen to their corrupted slaves if they succeed? Will personas like Artesia, Maliken, the corrupted disciples of Sol, Doctor Repulsor, Lord Salforis, Demented Shaman, Gunblade etc. be killed as well? what happens when the in-game Corrupted Disciple dies seems to point to them just being used as tools until they're no longer needed and then they will be killed too (CD gets sucked into his orb). Can they earn the right to live if they succeed well enough or are they truly just expendable slaves?

How does Hellbourne corruption affect you? does it eliminate your free will or does it influence you like the dark side in Star Wars or just being high on a drug? can it be both and vary? I mean are the beings who are corrupted or willingly serve the Hellbourne aware of their incoming demise should their own faction succeed or are they just naive to the point of not thinking about the consequences of ''their'' side winning? is it that the powers of the Hellbourne influence them so much that increasingly, all they feel is a desire to kill, destroy, hate etc. and this would naturally lead to a (probably complete) lack of much thinking at all and especially long-term thinking?

Do the corrupted/willing slaves of the Hellbourne have independent control of the powers they have been given or can they be taken back at will? for example, is CD's orb just a manipulative object that responds to its controller or is it like The One Ring that will semi-sentiently always serve its true master?

The hellbournes goal if you can even call it a goal is to devour life. They will if left unhindered consume the majority of life on the planet and then return to hell to wait until the next period when they are awakened and able to consume life again. I would assume most of the humans/beasts who defected will be consumed in the end with a few life madman who transcend the line between human and demon might continue on in hell.

The hellbournes corruption doesn't eliminate your free will or tempt you. Its more of a maddness that slowly draws you in. If you have defected to the hellbourne you will no longer care about any thing you did before. You will in likelihood become a puppet or become consumed by a desire to the point where you care for nothing else not even your own preservation. The only real reference we have to this is malikens experience in the savage 2 lore http://www.savage2.com/en/story.php

I have no answer as far as objects go as we haven't given much information to even speculate on it.

[Arathorn]

I would like to say that i have written 2 short stories (one for the first Creative Continuum, about one of my fictional characters, Maximilian Egragor, a scout and a second one about how the Legendary Valkyrie met the frostwolf she is ridding) and in both stories I have described two different places of the North, one is the Northern Settlement of the humans who serve the Legion and the other one is an fortress were Asgardian warriors live. Do they count for settlements or places of origin in your catalogue of your heroes? And here are the two stories:

http://kyratzaki14.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5gkwad

http://kyratzaki14.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5ccctd

[Arathorn]

Would it be ok with you guys if I write and post an extended lore about scout, naming him after my own hero? It would mean a lot to me. Oh and by the way, the armies of Hellbourne consist of demons, warlocks, mages and slaves?

[BuddhaKekz]

First question: Scouts are a group of people, therefore they have different names for different individuals. You can name your scout however you want, it's your story after all.

Second question: Yes all of those + Undead, Ghosts (which may be counted as undead) and some creatures and people that joined the HB on their own free will, but are no mages, like (possibly) Magmus and the Madman.

[Arathorn]

Thanks a lot about this. I will have it ready as soon as possible. Did you read my story?

[BuddhaKekz]

Yes I have, atleast one of them, since my time is very limited these days. I read "A Legend is Born" and I liked it, my only point of critique is, that it is a bit oddly paced at times. For example you describe every detail at the beginning and than the story skips several days with Valkyrie running away. Well still better than my stories I guess. You can find them in a thread in this sub-forum if you are interested, I wont continue them for now, as I have no time and nobody read them anyway.^^

Another topic: Why is Prophet now a Hellbourne hero now? The lore is still the same, it cleary states that the Prophets oppose the Hellbourne, so them being members of the HB army doesn't make any sense. I know gameplay wise he was switched to make space for Pearl and I guess they chose him because he looks a bit evilish with all the purple. It just doesn't make any sense lore wise. Will they change him back to Legion once they updated the hero window?

[Arathorn]

Yeah about the odd pace. I didn't have much time to write so I wrote it as fast as I could (and it was quite hard to imagine everything from scratch :P ) Hope you liked it though.