The Future of HoN in Latin America and Korea

[S2Lulu]

If you have not heard the news already, we have recently established partnerships that will bring Heroes of Newerth to Latin America and Korea in a greater capacity than ever before. With the help of Ntreev in Korea and Axeso5.com in Latin America, we are very excited to be releasing HoN in both of these regions within the next few months. We know that there are quite of few of you who are going to be affected by this change, so we just want to take a few minutes of your time to explain why this is a good thing and what types of benefits gamers in these regions will soon be able to take advantage of.

What can you expect?



Local Servers: More servers means better connections and experiences for everyone. With localized versions of the game into Spanish, Portuguese, and Korean, we can offer a significantly better gaming experience.
Local Support: We are going to be establishing better lines of communication to players in Latin America and Korea by offering native tech support and help desk teams who can keep them playing HoN when it matters most.
Marketing & E-Sport: The Korean and Latin American competitive gaming scenes are about to find out what Heroes of Newerth is all about. We will be better able to reach out to gamers on a global scale and foster growth in the HoN community. Gamers in both regions can expect localized tournaments and prize pools that will dominate some of the most emergent E-Sport markets in gaming.
Local Language Support: Let's face it, HoN as a team based game is almost entirely decided by how well a team can communicate and effectively compete. By offering native support for Korean, Spanish, and Portuguese, the HoN experience is going to reach new heights for a lot of people.
Local Currency Support: Latin Americans in Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and over 20 other countries will be able to use their local currency to improve their HoN experience and in Korea it will be no different.


What to Remember

There are always going to be a lot of questions about the future of HoN in these regions whenever we announce a major partnership like this and we want to clear those things up with you to get rid of as much confusion as possible. Below are a few clarifications to keep in mind:


HoN is still going to be developed by S2 Games. Ntreev in Korea and Axeso5.com in Latin America will distribute HoN and foster the growth of HoN's E-Sport and Marketing presence in both regions.
Once the game is fully released and no longer in beta, players in Latin America and Korea will no longer be able to play HoN on North American/European Union Servers. The transfer program will allow them to continue playing HoN by transferring all of their prior purchases and account credentials to local servers in their region.
Gamers in both regions will still be able to play the game using an English language option if they choose to do so.
Both regions will start providing HoN support by releasing Closed Beta Tests. Once the closed beta ends and the game enters Open Beta, gamers in each region can expect to see transfer programs that will allow them to transfer their account credentials over to their localized service without penalty. We will update more on this as each client gets closer to Open Beta status with full transfer programs in place. Korea is on schedule to enter Closed Beta within a few weeks, with Latin America following shortly thereafter. We will do our best to stay on that schedule, but these are both tentative release dates.
There is still much more to come in explaining how the Korean and Latin American transfer programs are going to work, but please be patient, because we are still working on developing both systems.


If you have any questions or concerns, we encourage you ask those questions on this thread and this thread alone. We will do our best to answer your questions and update this thread throughout the week.

Link to the Press Release: http://s2games.com/HoN_Launches.php

[WickedPuppet]

First

O:

Edit: So I wont be able to play with my US friends?

[Tommo]

Farewell Brazil!

[Promness]

COOL!

[DemonW0lf]

goodbye brazil

[`anytime]

people wont be able to play EU or US servers? thats sad and also stupid.

[Rebeca_Bl4ck]

Not sure if Hon has enough players for Region Lock... also.. God please no

[Demonic150]

****ing language barrier, finally something is done so that the game can be localized.

I like this :3

[SolarFlare22]

A celebration is in order!!! Welcome to your new HoN homes, Brazilians!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ6LGrr8iEg

[EroticMidget]

Ok. Im peruvian and now with this change i wont never EVER AGAIN BUY COINS FROM YOU.

[Death_Rattle]

This is horrible and unbelievable. I say this not because I am in Latin America but because I have friends in Latin America whom I will never be able to play another game of Hon with.

[SpitFountain]

Why would you erase my post? Because im against of this change? PFFFFFFF!

Ill say it again: Axeso5 games are filled with 9 year old kids that play gunbound and other stuff like this. Thanks S2 FOR MAKING ME WASTE MY MONEY.

[Calamaro]

so, we will get the same friday updates and all the early access stuff?
the only difference is the region lock?

stupid imo anyways, u ppl should able south american servers in the select region part of matchmaking

[xanderK]

so, we will get the same friday updates and all the early access stuff?
the only difference is the region lock?

stupid imo anyways, u ppl should able south american servers in the select region part of matchmaking

The updates come on a different day (at least that's the way it is for SEA and CIS) but it's still the same content.

Also, to all posters here, remember to be mindful of the Forum Rules. It's fine to be in opposition of this but it is not OK to break the Forum Rules in doing so.

[Reldnahc]

It is nice to have all these separated zones(lol BRs) but I'm really not sure the HoN population can thrive with it being minced up. I figure an option of queing with Latin America is not an option?

[Teran`d]

Im done.

[N`Hydrolisk]

How will I play with my Latin American friends?

[borges132]

Good bye S2, Once this change takes place you have lost a customer, I lived most of my life in the U.S. just recently moved to Brazil, not I won't be able to play with my US friends, once you do this, I guarantee you will RUIN HoN for Latin Americans. No Latin americans are happy from this, just people with bad experiences with Latin Americans.

[MrSnowJr]

This is horrible and unbelievable. I say this not because I am in Latin America but because I have friends in Latin America whom I will never be able to play another game of Hon with.

I think they should link all the servers together, but be able to thumb up which areas you want like they do now, so that i can play with my filipino cousin. And other people around the world.

[Tamalito]

So... Mexico still will be able to play in North American servers??????????????????????? I REALLY NEED TO KNOW THAT.

[dkiearth0]

well its easy to by pass that :D you need the latin america only at login :P search and you shall find the way.(also 2 clients)

[AzureAlain]

but me and my friends who live here in Mexico and just one hour from the US...speak english..hell not only that my gaming group and clanmates are Canadians, and North Americans...why am i not going to be able to play with them? i need an answer.....also Mexico is parth of North America does that mean i can still play with the US? lol im freaking out here!!!

[akocli]

Why don't you just maintain the same interface but with MORE SERVER OPTIONS, and the player now will gain access to choose between several servers, such as WEST/EAST US, EU, ASIA and LatinAmerica.
It'll become up to the player's choice to select a closer server or not, and because it's closer, it'll be prefered by closer people (closer countries).

If you just separate the Korean and LatinAmericans, many friends will no longer be able to play together. I am latin american and I particularly enjoy playing with a couple of friends that now live in distant countries, and with this new change, we won't be able to play together.
Really, no jokes, I don't like this change.
I don't really care about 50ms-100ms less ping or to find people that can´t communicate in my language. What I really do care is the variety of people you can find, and if the problem is communication, most of the people communicate in English, and most latins and asians, also talk in English to play with other people, there´s no need to segregate...

I can´t do much if HoN changes, but I want to communicate to the community that me myself as a Latin American player does not like this change.

(sorry for my bad English, I'm not a native speaker)

[Jehuty]

place a button at hon startup CHOOSE SERVER
will fix 1K problems
no rage

[xanderK]

Why don't you just maintain the same interface but with MORE SERVER OPTIONS, and the player now will gain access to choose between several servers, such as WEST/EAST US, EU, ASIA and LatinAmerica.
It'll become up to the player's choice to select a closer server or not, and because it's closer, it'll be prefered by closer people (closer countries).

If you just separate the Korean and LatinAmericans, many friends will no longer be able to play together. I am latin american and I particularly enjoy playing with a couple of friends that now live in distant countries, and with this new change, we won't be able to play together.
Really, no jokes, I don't like this change.
I don't really care about 50ms-100ms less ping or to find people that can´t communicate in my language. What I really do care is the variety of people you can find, and if the problem is communication, most of the people communicate in English, and most latins and asians, also talk in English to play with other people, there´s no need to segregate...

I can´t do much if HoN changes, but I want to communicate to the community that me myself as a Latin American player does not like this change.

(sorry for my bad English, I'm not a native speaker)

The main reason for Regional expansion like this (and CIS and SEA before it) really comes down to the following sentence from the OP:

Ntreev in Korea and Axeso5.com in Latin America will distribute HoN and foster the growth of HoN's E-Sport and Marketing presence in both regions.

This might seem relatively minor but it can actually make a huge difference for the game. Look no further than SEA to see how big a difference this makes for a region. When it first started, SEA was lucky to break 10,000 users online at once. Now, with Garena as a partner, the game has exploded in the region and you regularly see SEA go over 50,000 users online at once.

HoN is growing and we want everyone to get in on the excitement!

[ChimeraTX]

I have friends in NA, I have friends in CANADA, I have friends in EU, I don't want to be blocked from playing with them. People who don't know english will go to LA HoN anyway while people who know english will probably choose between LA and NA, please don't block it.

[akocli]

Mmmm... I was thinking... (if the server change is a must)

Brazilians would technically stay in the LATIN AMERICAN group, right? but most of the speak portuguese which would mean that the LATIN AMERICAN servers will have about 30% (just guessing %s) of people not talking (in the best of the scenarios) spanish. That's really quite a lot, just by considering BR is the largest country in South America...

Why not create servers ONLY FOR Brazil??? It has a lot of logic, there's a big community in Brazil and they hardly merge the linguistical variable in Latin American countries...

[DarthBotto]

The main reason for Regional expansion like this (and CIS and SEA before it) really comes down to the following sentence from the OP:

Ntreev in Korea and Axeso5.com in Latin America will distribute HoN and foster the growth of HoN's E-Sport and Marketing presence in both regions.

This might seem relatively minor but it can actually make a huge difference for the game. Look no further than SEA to see how big a difference this makes for a region. When it first started, SEA was lucky to break 10,000 users online at once. Now, with Garena as a partner, the game has exploded in the region and you regularly see SEA go over 50,000 users online at once.

HoN is growing and we want everyone to get in on the excitement!

So, your idea of expanding is to land-lock people and assume that the game is expanding?

[HypnoS_666]

GRACIAS LOS ESPERAMOS EN LATINOAMERICA !!! =D :mali:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/HoN-LatinoAmerica/117192948348028

[Dantarios]

Can i have my money back? i have 2049 gold coins.

WORST F**** DECISION EVER, now i can't play with my friends overseas.

Spent like $200 usd on this... (2 accounts + 1 subaccount, 3x$40 usd gold coins packs)

[PaltaRecords]

Very sad thing, dissapointed as hell...

[Jeharold]

It makes me sad to hear this. I'm an American who lives in Korea and will now be locked out of EU/US servers. Guess i'll have to switch to a new game.

[ForPride]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. You can CHOOSE to move your account to the korean and latin american servers. If you still wish to play on NA/EU, don't move it.


gamers in each region can expect to see transfer programs that will allow them to transfer their account credentials over to their localized service without penalty.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

well its easy to by pass that :D you need the latin america only at login :P search and you shall find the way.(also 2 clients)

They will BLOCK IPS Region so you will need a Proxy to play in USA or other Regions you want but in most case Proxys give some lag.

[Seifert]

As an American living in Korea I'm wondering whether or not I'll still be able to play with NA/EU players. Let us know please.

[madnetiC]

all u have to do is not update to new stuff.. problem solved... god so dumb.

edit: well i just read some stuff about this.. so ur gonna block ips? thats not even fair... people has to decide where they want to play... stupidest decision ever... this is gonna make ur player base drop like heavy rain kids... S2´d over and over.

edit 2: and btw S2 staff if u dont know this yet u should search... at south america only brazil does not speak spanish.. so if u did not know this, PORTUGUESE ISNT FREAKING SPANISH. You're just making the same crap gathering diff languages together... Man this is such a joke.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. You can CHOOSE to move your account to the korean and latin american servers. If you still wish to play on NA/EU, don't move it.

You wrong you can't choice S2 wil do Block IP's so we will need to play in LA only.

[MagniFtw]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. You can CHOOSE to move your account to the korean and latin american servers. If you still wish to play on NA/EU, don't move it.


If you have not heard the news already, we have recently established partnerships that will bring Heroes of Newerth to Latin America and Korea in a greater capacity than ever before. With the help of Ntreev in Korea and Axeso5.com in Latin America, we are very excited to be releasing HoN in both of these regions within the next few months. We know that there are quite of few of you who are going to be affected by this change, so we just want to take a few minutes of your time to explain why this is a good thing and what types of benefits gamers in these regions will soon be able to take advantage of.

What can you expect?



Local Servers: More servers means better connections and experiences for everyone. With localized versions of the game into Spanish, Portuguese, and Korean, we can offer a significantly better gaming experience.
Local Support: We are going to be establishing better lines of communication to players in Latin America and Korea by offering native tech support and help desk teams who can keep them playing HoN when it matters most.
Marketing & E-Sport: The Korean and Latin American competitive gaming scenes are about to find out what Heroes of Newerth is all about. We will be better able to reach out to gamers on a global scale and foster growth in the HoN community. Gamers in both regions can expect localized tournaments and prize pools that will dominate some of the most emergent E-Sport markets in gaming.
Local Language Support: Let's face it, HoN as a team based game is almost entirely decided by how well a team can communicate and effectively compete. By offering native support for Korean, Spanish, and Portuguese, the HoN experience is going to reach new heights for a lot of people.
Local Currency Support: Latin Americans in Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and over 20 other countries will be able to use their local currency to improve their HoN experience and in Korea it will be no different.


What to Remember

There are always going to be a lot of questions about the future of HoN in these regions whenever we announce a major partnership like this and we want to clear those things up with you to get rid of as much confusion as possible. Below are a few clarifications to keep in mind:


HoN is still going to be developed by S2 Games. Ntreev in Korea and Axeso5.com in Latin America will distribute HoN and foster the growth of HoN's E-Sport and Marketing presence in both regions.
Once the game is fully released and no longer in beta, players in Latin America and Korea will no longer be able to play HoN on North American/European Union Servers. The transfer program will allow them to continue playing HoN by transferring all of their prior purchases and account credentials to local servers in their region.
Gamers in both regions will still be able to play the game using an English language option if they choose to do so.
Both regions will start providing HoN support by releasing Closed Beta Tests. Once the closed beta ends and the game enters Open Beta, gamers in each region can expect to see transfer programs that will allow them to transfer their account credentials over to their localized service without penalty. We will update more on this as each client gets closer to Open Beta status with full transfer programs in place. Korea is on schedule to enter Closed Beta within a few weeks, with Latin America following shortly thereafter. We will do our best to stay on that schedule, but these are both tentative release dates.
There is still much more to come in explaining how the Korean and Latin American transfer programs are going to work, but please be patient, because we are still working on developing both systems.


If you have any questions or concerns, we encourage you ask those questions on this thread and this thread alone. We will do our best to answer your questions and update this thread throughout the week.

Link to the Press Release: http://s2games.com/HoN_Launches.php


No, we won't be able to choose. IP-Region Lock.

[Biuriful]

Happy with the changes. I'm not so worried about playing on non AU servers for matchmaking as I am about the constant trolling from latin americans that I get in the 1500 bracket. I was honestly thinking about moving over to DotA 2 until this change. Nice move, S2.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

Where are Located the Axeso5.com servers let me guess Brasil?

[N`Hydrolisk]

How will I play with my Latin American friends?

[Seifert]

So, in essence I'll be locked out of a game I play with friends nearly every day simply because I'm a military member who happens to be stationed in South Korea. Awesome.
I understand the desire to expand and since there is quite a few LA and Korean players localization and servers are mostly needed, however I truly don't get how sectioning off large portions of your playerbase can in any way be construed as expansion or growth.

[Akavir]

Ah well too bad, I live in Mexico and my brother is currently living in the US. I guess we'll have to find something else to play on our free weekends... DOTA2 maybe.

That's too bad, I used to buy every EA hero and buy alt skins and whatnot, but if I'll be unable to play with friends and family living in the US there's no reason for me to ever touch HoN again. Time to uninstall.....

[Z3ROCOOL22]

How will I play with my Latin American friends?

You will can't anymore. This is the idea of making grow up the comnunity of S2!.

[Dantarios]

Time to leave this ship...

[Z3ROCOOL22]

Ah well too bad, I live in Mexico and my brother is currently living in the US. I guess we'll have to find something else to play on our free weekends... DOTA2 maybe.

That's too bad, I used to buy every EA hero and buy alt skins and whatnot, but if I'll be unable to play with friends and family living in the US there's no reason for me to ever touch HoN again. Time to uninstall.....

Same here i would like S2 say when we purchase the ****ing game they will lock Regions!

S2 should let Pre-order Accounts choose where wanna play!

[HonchoBob]

Dear god thank you S2. Even if it was a long time coming, the end result is great. This will make the US servers so much more fun to play on.

[SpitFountain]

Same here i would like S2 say when we purchase the ****ing game they will lock Regions!

S2 should let Pre-order Accounts choose where wanna play!

$2 has lost all credibility. They have changed so many things from the early stages of Beta and now are just interested on making money... i guess their current income from their alt avatars rush isnt enough, afterall... S2 IS GROWING.

Dont get me wrong, i know its a business, but they are just making really bad decisions w/o paying attention on how the community is gona be affected.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

$2 has lost all credibility. They have changed so many things from the early stages of Beta and now are just interested on making money... i guess their current income isnt enough, afterall... S2 IS GROWING.

Sad but truth.

[Slay4Joy]

Well, I guess I won't be the first to speak about it, but can anyone tell my why did it happen. I understand that a lot of russian players weren't polite enough or maybe played not as good as others, but there are a lot of such players in other countries too, why would u restict russian? As for me, I always tried to be nice to people and hardly ever blamed anyone, and I bet there are a lot of russian players like me. By the way, I paid for this game to play with foreign players along with russian ones, as I enjoy chatting in English, and I learned a lot about this game by playing with such players, as they were really better. All I'm asking for is to let me play on EU servers again. Thank you in advance.

P.S. And I really wonder where is my account now? I bought it ages ago and now what? All I can do is post a message here

[SpitFountain]

At least top games give you a choice to join any kind of server you want. On HoN you are obligated.

[N`Hydrolisk]

How will I play with my Latin American friends?

Waiting for S2 answer.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

How will I play with my Latin American friends?

Waiting for S2 answer.

If you have not heard the news already, we have recently established partnerships that will bring Heroes of Newerth to Latin America and Korea in a greater capacity than ever before. With the help of Ntreev in Korea and Axeso5.com in Latin America, we are very excited to be releasing HoN in both of these regions within the next few months. We know that there are quite of few of you who are going to be affected by this change, so we just want to take a few minutes of your time to explain why this is a good thing and what types of benefits gamers in these regions will soon be able to take advantage of.

What can you expect?



Local Servers: More servers means better connections and experiences for everyone. With localized versions of the game into Spanish, Portuguese, and Korean, we can offer a significantly better gaming experience.
Local Support: We are going to be establishing better lines of communication to players in Latin America and Korea by offering native tech support and help desk teams who can keep them playing HoN when it matters most.
Marketing & E-Sport: The Korean and Latin American competitive gaming scenes are about to find out what Heroes of Newerth is all about. We will be better able to reach out to gamers on a global scale and foster growth in the HoN community. Gamers in both regions can expect localized tournaments and prize pools that will dominate some of the most emergent E-Sport markets in gaming.
Local Language Support: Let's face it, HoN as a team based game is almost entirely decided by how well a team can communicate and effectively compete. By offering native support for Korean, Spanish, and Portuguese, the HoN experience is going to reach new heights for a lot of people.
Local Currency Support: Latin Americans in Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and over 20 other countries will be able to use their local currency to improve their HoN experience and in Korea it will be no different.

What to Remember

There are always going to be a lot of questions about the future of HoN in these regions whenever we announce a major partnership like this and we want to clear those things up with you to get rid of as much confusion as possible. Below are a few clarifications to keep in mind:


HoN is still going to be developed by S2 Games. Ntreev in Korea and Axeso5.com in Latin America will distribute HoN and foster the growth of HoN's E-Sport and Marketing presence in both regions.
Once the game is fully released and no longer in beta, players in Latin America and Korea will no longer be able to play HoN on North American/European Union Servers. The transfer program will allow them to continue playing HoN by transferring all of their prior purchases and account credentials to local servers in their region.
Gamers in both regions will still be able to play the game using an English language option if they choose to do so.
Both regions will start providing HoN support by releasing Closed Beta Tests. Once the closed beta ends and the game enters Open Beta, gamers in each region can expect to see transfer programs that will allow them to transfer their account credentials over to their localized service without penalty. We will update more on this as each client gets closer to Open Beta status with full transfer programs in place. Korea is on schedule to enter Closed Beta within a few weeks, with Latin America following shortly thereafter. We will do our best to stay on that schedule, but these are both tentative release dates.
There is still much more to come in explaining how the Korean and Latin American transfer programs are going to work, but please be patient, because we are still working on developing both systems.

If you have any questions or concerns, we encourage you ask those questions on this thread and this thread alone. We will do our best to answer your questions and update this thread throughout the week.

Link to the Press Release: http://s2games.com/HoN_Launches.php[/QUOTE]

[RacingGun]

This makes me really sad... I (a Canadian now living in the US) was introduced to HoN by some awesome guys from Mexico that I game with. If I can't play with them in the future... see you later HoN.

[DarkFact]

I hated playing with Latin-american people as much as the next guy when they were rude and trash-talked / insulted the rest of their team in Spanish, but this move is beyond ridiculous.

I know many Mexican/Brazilian/Argentinan players who spoke english perfectly and played the game like everyone else, bought lots of coins and supported S2 throughout all this time. Latin-american people generally enjoy playing in NA servers because of the added challenge and many just enjoy playing a game in english with other english-speakers.

FORCING them to transfer is a kick in the nuts to the population that's fondest of your game. I doubt S2 will reconsider at this point, but really, shame on you for caving in to the majority of the whining. E-sports in Latin America blossom when there's the hope of competing with NA players too. Closing it to just Mexico/Brazil will kill the game in these areas for the most part.

Anyway, yes, I'm Mexican. I'm in the US. I've spent over $200 on this game, as have my friends. Some are from Mexico. All of them speak English. I feel guilty for bringing them into this game, and now seeing them quit over this action. My bad.

[AzureAlain]

This makes me really sad... I (a Canadian now living in the US) was introduced to HoN by some awesome guys from Mexico that I game with. If I can't play with them in the future... see you later HoN.


Like Gritos said "I salute you Maple syrup Canadian"

A sad day for our Clan indeed

[Locoweed]

Amazing news!
Faster servers! No more lag!
Less language barrier!
I can't wait!

[belnar]

bye bye HoN
bad move there S2

[YUNGBASEDGOD]

im pretty sure russians, and latin americans (BRs) both got zone restricted

[SpitFountain]

Amazing news!
Faster servers! No more lag!
Less language barrier!
I can't wait!

Faster servers? Its gona be exactly the same as if you were playing on US Servers. If its not then you must be playing from dial-up.

[Skyve]

It has more to do with providing local support and marketing for those areas.

[N`Hydrolisk]

How will I play with my Latin American friends?

Waiting for S2 answer.

????

[erigais]

*edit im an ignorant clown

[kingduckling]

At least top games give you a choice to join any kind of server you want. On HoN you are obligated.
like starcraft 2?

[r0xo]

I really hope you never do this for Africa (or at least not while we have our current tiny playerbase). I would much rather play on EU servers with 250 or even 400 ping than only being able to play with the small number of players on SA servers.

But for Korea and Latin America I think this is a good move

[Crysiz]

No more huehuehuehuhe!

You're gonna miss me when I'm gone :(

[Erdrick]

This is horrible and unbelievable. I say this not because I am in Latin America but because I have friends in Latin America whom I will never be able to play another game of Hon with.

Agreed. I have several buddies that live down there that are NOT bad players, and should not be FORCED to be separated from the rest of us. They don't want this, and I do not want this. Make it an option for them to play on those servers, but don't require it.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

Agreed. I have several buddies that live down there that are NOT bad players, and should not be FORCED to be separated from the rest of us. They don't want this, and I do not want this. Make it an option for them to play on those servers, but don't require it.

+1
......................................

[Z3ROCOOL22]

I like to play in NA servers mainly for the competition, i know like 90%-100% english and i have never had problems when i communicate with others.
Seriously, People from Latin America playing hon (not garena) is like a 5% out of 100% of the active player base, you guys are literally forcing me to play the same pool of 1000 people AGAIN AND OVER AGAIN. .
I'm the clan leader and in my clan there's people from Peru, Canada, USA and Mexico, AND WE ALL SPEAK ENGLISH this move will just make us stop playing this game..

Real Talk
I like HoN better than Dota 2 because of a few reasons, but now? .......

I'm sorry. but im out of here as soon as this stupid greedy desicion happends.

$2 indeed.

Lucky of US Diablo 3 coming in May 15. ^^

[Locoweed]

Local servers are going to be faster than farther servers? Lower latency, less packetloss, etc.

Won't actually affect me. I'm just happy SA HoN players will be taken care of. : )

[Erdrick]

Lucky of US Diablo 3 coming in May 15. ^^

Haha, indeed. Diablo 3 should be entertaining enough. And if the worst comes, we can all just reinstall our crappy old WC3 games and play DotA old-school style.

[xanderK]

Remember, the reasons for these changes are found in the OP. They are not related to player skill or whether they speak a certain language. It's about improving their HoN experience and growing the scene in those areas. More HoN players is nothing but a good thing!

Again, please keep the Forum Rules in mind while posting here. There are many posts that are being removed for violating the rules. Disagreeing is fine but inappropriate language, trolling, spamming or defamation is not.

[Crysiz]

Even LoL lets you choose and switch among them at will.

I can expect the Latin American servers to be quite laggy, and the playerbase is going to be a mess.

[Jutsumaki]

like starcraft 2?
? You are able to choose what kind of key you buy.
NA, EU, KR, TW, SEA etc. if there are any more.
That's something completely different so don't be ironic about it please.

[Death_Rattle]

Remember, the reasons for these changes are found in the OP. They are not related to player skill or whether they speak a certain language. It's about improving their HoN experience and growing the scene in those areas. More HoN players is nothing but a good thing!

Again, please keep the Forum Rules in mind while posting here. There are many posts that are being removed for violating the rules. Disagreeing is fine but inappropriate language, trolling, spamming or defamation is not.

I want to play with my friends.

[DavyJones]

Great, im from Argentina, i bought the game on beta, sponsored trough buying at that time(golden shield) and now, i get excluded? nice...
I know its a paint to play with guys from BRZ, but man... i hate them also... why i have to get this exclusion, me and all my AR friends... my US friends... etc...

This is great HoN, you keep going on the wrong direction.



Remember, the reasons for these changes are found in the OP. They are not related to player skill or whether they speak a certain language. It's about improving their HoN experience and growing the scene in those areas. More HoN players is nothing but a good thing!

Again, please keep the Forum Rules in mind while posting here. There are many posts that are being removed for violating the rules. Disagreeing is fine but inappropriate language, trolling, spamming or defamation is not.


Yeah... sure!!!! :sarcasm:

Put real servers there if you want to improve experience, and support the growing scene... make events... not exclude us in Garena like thing...
Seems this makes the finall decision... lets get Dota2....

[AzureAlain]

? You are able to choose what kind of key you buy.
NA, EU, KR, TW, SEA etc. if there are any more.
That's something completely different so don't be ironic about it please.



Not only that, one of the not so recent patches let NA and latin America Players to play together so its not like sc2:madm:

[DProto]

I like to play in NA servers mainly for the competition, i know like 90%-100% english and i have never had problems when i communicate with others.
Seriously, People from Latin America playing hon (not garena) are like a 5% out of 100% of the active player base, you guys are literally forcing me to play the same pool of 1000 people AGAIN AND OVER AGAIN. .
I'm the clan leader of my clan, and in my clan there's people from Peru, Canada, USA and Mexico, AND WE ALL SPEAK ENGLISH this move will just make us stop playing this game completly.. i have spent $100 in this game

Real Talk
I like HoN better than Dota 2 because of a few reasons, but now? .......

I'm sorry. but im out of here as soon as this stupid greedy desicion happends.

[Skyve]

Even LoL lets you choose and switch among them at will.

I can expect the Latin American servers to be quite laggy, and the playerbase is going to be a mess.

The difference between LoL and HoN is that HoN uses different clients for their different regions, because things (mainly shop) are handled differently and by different companies - SEA region for instance used to have an option for a subscription based model where you automatically got new heroes afaik. SEA region also is handled by Garena, S2 is primarily supplying them with the client and updates to it from what I know.

[BlanketGhost]

I think the block is unnecessary. Just do it like the Garena SEA. Just separate the clients without US/EU block. SEA players can choose to play it locally or with internationally. Please S2, don't block them.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

Not only that, one of the not so recent patches let NA and latin America Players to play together so its not like sc2:madm:

True at first time SC2 was Region Locked (talking about USA and LA) but players don't like this so started making petitions to Blizzard to change this and then they allow us to can play where we want, Blizzard listen to they USERS not like S2, enough said.

[SirMagus]

Most of my friends are in latin america....I know its not about skill based or who speaks what but there should be an option to choose where to play. I love playing with them win or lose and ive seen most american players dont communicate as much as we do normally. The real issue is that we need to have options to choose as forcing people to do anything will only ensure hatred and from history itself teaches this. You may be "getting more players" but you are losing more of the loyal ones who make the game interesting. By separating servers you aren't exactly getting more people just segregating the older players causing people to lose interest. This also means that they are less inclined to not only play but buy gold for any reason, which since you need real money to buy it is a HUGE dip in the cash flow.

What the giant wall of text means is that by giving an option you will greatly increase recommendations from older players to newer ones AND get people that would be leaving from this change to remain by letting them play with their friends and possibly make new ones.

In summary, Please don't separate us....After all...segregation never helped no body.

[Gritos]

What can I say that haven't been said before?… no rather, what can I said that S2 won’t see as just another complain from a member of the community that made HoN what it is today?

I remember when I got like 8 beta keys just to give to my friends and so we started playing HoN at the time, we couldn’t pre-order it but still bought it shortly after the release and we have played every night since then.

We have made a lot of friends by playing HoN and neither of them lives in the same country than we.

About 2 hours ago, we were playing and as soon as we heard the bad news we stopped playing to read the post, now we have no desire to keep playing. Yeah, maybe we’ll play tomorrow or the day after, but now it’s just a countdown to the day we stop playing HoN and move to a game that we can enjoy together.

[KitsuneFire]

Less HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE and more PewPewPew! Gj S2!

I find it funny you guys still don't understand how good of a move this is to you since as of now only SEA Hon has any type of prize pools while HonTour has not even be released. Realize the marketing is in your benefit

[Savaii64]

Why lock em up? Just give people the choice of server instead...D:

[ArtVandelay]

I fail to see how this will grow the playerbase, as currently the game is quite free. So money is not an issue aside from the possibility of not being able to afford a computer. In which case, this change still solves nothing.


I think it mostly attracts a newer playerbase because the new responsible companies do know how to advertise locally and are able to manage a competitive scene. According to 90% of the forums most of the people would be happy if there was another party then s2 responsible for communications, servers and the community so I really don't get why everyone starts whining now.

[Coolcollo]

Latin != Brazilian.

/thread

[Erdrick]

I think it mostly attracts a newer playerbase because the new responsible companies do know how to advertise locally and are able to manage a competitive scene. According to 90% of the forums most of the people would be happy if there was another party then s2 responsible for communications, servers and the community so I really don't get why everyone starts whining now.

I don't think anyone really cares if another company than S2 takes over from them. What matters is that the players from SA and Korea are being blocked out from being able to play with the players elsewhere, that they have been playing with since they got the game.
S2 has proven time and again that they have poor communication skills with their playerbase, and often fail to take into consideration anything about their players that doesn't have to do with marketing. I.E. players would love to play <x> hero as <x> alt avatar. This idea will sell!

[Xisa]

what are u doing S2? I am no Dota2 fan at all but... it will be the better choice in future

[espMisio]

Bad business plan leads to bad decisions. I think they try to do what RIOT did with LoL, the difference is that LoL had a few million players before they've decided it's time to IP lock regions.

[AzureAlain]

I don't think anyone really cares if another company than S2 takes over from them. What matters is that the players from SA and Korea are being blocked out from being able to play with the players elsewhere, that they have been playing with since they got the game.
S2 has proven time and again that they have poor communication skills with their playerbase, and often fail to take into consideration anything about their players that doesn't have to do with marketing. I.E. players would love to play <x> hero as <x> alt avatar. This idea will sell!


Mexico is part of North America :P so not only SA and korea :P

[Harakesh]

Do the Falkland Islands also fall under this construction?

[giullyfishez]

smart people will get a good proxy but this is indeed not good imo...

[Z3ROCOOL22]

S2:

We are glad you wanna give US (LA ppl) our own Regional server so we can get better PING etc..

But i think you can't justify the BLOCK IP, this is a lame desicion.

One of the reason i buy this game (i m a Pre-Order user), was for the posibility of can play with other country ppl and can see how they play what strategies they use, exchange opinions, etc.. this is what make a rich experience of the game the fact of "VARIETY" cultures, now with this decision you are cutting a part of the game!

[Gritos]

I honestly feel bad because all our complaints won’t matter, just like when early access heroes first appeared

[Silv3erTwee]

they say garane would take away all the russians, but i still see russians around

[DrLakers]

This is the best change ever. I can't wait to play with only americans. S2, manning up huge. This makes sense for everyone.... You play with your own people from your own zone. Why would I as a person from California, USA want to play with someone who doesn't communicate with me at all and is from South America?

Re-read that again... WHY WOULD I or anyone from USA want to play with someone who can't respond or communicate with us... Its a fairly simple situation that really makes me proud of S2.

[linkstat]

Why i will not be able to play in USA and EU servers? I have a lot of friends in EU and in the US...
WE ALL WANT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN ANY REGION.
THIS CHANGE IS COMPLETLY UNFAIR.
I DEMAND S2Games to LISTEN TO THE USERS!!!

[Cord]

Now who will we complain about? New Jersey?

[Slay4Joy]

Ok, I got it, it's all about improvement our HON exp and stuff but you know what, all I got is russian client which I didn't need at all, and 6k people online instead of 50-60.
S2, please, just answer, is it possible for you to make some exceptions and provide a way for people to play on your EU/US servers, and if it is, will you try to bring it to life?

[vy`Ze]

By the way, about "better pings".
I've had ~80 ping in EU HoN, now I have 150-250 in CIS HoN. Lolz.

[SomethingOdd]

Oh god, I hope Australia isn't next.

[blakcat]

I don't see how you could say not allowing people to play with their friends from other regions is good for the community... The only ones statisfied of the IP LOCK of LA are the Americans because "they got rid of BRs". You should let the choice up to the players, allow thumb Up/Down LA server. You are just forcing people that have been playings with friends/clanmates outside of LA/SEA to stop doing so. If you had stated from the beta "this is how it's gonna be" there would have been less complaints but after all this time playing together it just doesn't seem fair.

Sure you're gonna gain a lot of new players in this region and this good for HON but you're also gonna loose a lot of old players because it's IP Blocked. I bet you don't care, this is for the greater good of $2 afterall. And even if you did care you're probably bound with the new distributers by some contract that states it's got to be IP locked.
But at least I wish you could explain us why you cannot/will not implement the server option. And I mean aside from the poor Xanderk that brings no answer to our questions (but he probably doesn't know himself). I really hope S2 is gonna start communicating a bit more with its community because this is very frustrating.

At S2 "S0ON" takes forever so at least "within the next few months" might take even longer... No there's money involved this time it's different.
Edit: <3 S2lulu

[Blaity]

inb4 75 min que times

[Z3ROCOOL22]

I demand Maliken come here and show the Face! and give us a good reason why the IP Block from himself!

[K2`Error]

About all choices that S2 has made so far, this is the first time I disagree.
You'll lock and forbidden players to even play with their friends around the world.
Just making Latin Americans play with only Latin Americans, won't change anything.

Attract new players? axeso5 as far as I know, can advertise better in our region, but for who? Whatever kids or adults, but MORE kids will come to play the game and will be totally discriminated. This game is not easy to play, and it's not everybody that can learn it fast. I don't think this idea will attract more professional players at all, without thinking about the fact they won't be able to play with the great players around the world.

[Z3ROCOOL22]

About all choices S2 has made this is the first time I disagree 100%.
You'll lock and forbidden players to even play with their friends around the world.
Just making Latin Americans play with only Latin Americans, won't change anything.

Attract new players? axeso5 as far as I know, can advertise better in our region, but for who? Whatever kids or adults, but MORE kids will come to play the game and will be totally discriminated. This game is not easy to play, and it's not everybody that can learn it fast. I don't think this idea will attract more professional players at all, without thinking about the fact they won't be able to play with the great players around the world.

I think S2 only cares the money they will get in the contracts with this Partners Companies and that's Ok, but again don't justify the IP BLOCK!

[K2`Error]

I think S2 only cares the money they will get in the contracts with this Partners Companies and that's Ok, but again don't justify the IP BLOCK!

Actually I don't care if that's for the money or whatever, imo I just think they're doing it wrong. By the way, games were the best inspirations I ever had to learn English, and now? Well I don't know. I just hope they step back and listen to us and as I can see here, most people are against this changes.

[ManH0le]

This is just stupid

[K2`Error]

I have another question S2: when your players bought the game, before it was released f2p, I don't know but was it written somewhere in the Terms of Service about the possibility of this kind of change? You know, blocking buyers account to play with other people? Well those who bought the game wouldn't appreciate such thing.

[TrueViet]

so i guess we wont be able to see Korean and Brazil in our games anymore.. or is it the same game but they just add more server to match making? and public games?

Thanks for making my sig come true, S2

(Which sucks BTW, makes me regret spending coins on that last 40$ bundle)

[GoDs]

Im not going to be able to play in North America/ Europe? Goodbye HoN... Hello Diablo3.

Sad moment...sad moment indeed.

Even if the Brazilians, Filipino and Russians apparently ruined games over and over, I think S2's decision to split the community even further will inevitably ruin the game.

HoN CIS barely has 2k most of the time, HoN SEA has better tournaments and prizes than HoN US/EU has nowadays.

Now we're going to have HoN Korea and HoN LA, Oh wow, it's starting to look like my signature is like a prophecy, a sad one.

While this is unavoidable at this point, S2 probably sold their rights to HoN to those providers already, I'd like to express my deepest discomfort about the situation.

The K2 engine developed by S2 is superior to whatever LoL or Dota2 use, feels well despite the 100+ms ping, the metagame is dynamic, the gameplay fast, and the overall improvements over the original DotA were the things that kept me around, despite all the bad decisions that S2 took in the past.

Now I'm not sure what to do, I definitely don't want to migrate to HoN LA to have a smaller playerbase and have horrible wait times for a game. At the same time, I don't know if it's worth getting a proxy working to keep myself in HoN NA.

TL,DR: S2, horrible decision making, I'm sad.

[elNiuBi]

You are making everyone in Latin America except the brazilians leave the game, by doing this.

Good job S2, way to lower your popularity each day a little more.

[Nospheratu]

I welcome this decision and salute S2 for making this step. And yes - i also have a friend from Brasil with whom we regularly play together AND i will be sad to see him go, but sometimes individuals just have to accept tough decisions for the good of the greater whole, so both me, him and you will have to GET OVER IT.

For those who fail to see how this will make the game grow - re-read the russian Garena move thread. There were IDENTICAL whines and butthurts there; from "omg i can't play with my friends anymore" over "S2 sold us out" to "S2 is racist towards russians", but lo and behold - most players except the russians welcomed the decisions becouse most players found playing with russians hard. And guess what? 1 month after the move russian Garena HoN's player numbers exploded; it's becouse of THIS move that we have reached 100.000 players online, not becouse EU or US players - which many of you are so eager to rub in our face once player number increases are mentioned.

I see the same thing here; brazilians are whining, US players are rejoicing becouse they won't have to play with BR's anymore, just like EU players did for russians.

As for SC2, LoL, Dota2 and Diablo 3 allowing players to play in other regions: be my guest and go play those other games becouse S2 has locked you to your region. Choose a different region than your native one and this will probably happen: you will have higher ping and thus more problems playing; when you will do badly, they will start complaining and you will say "I have lag"; then they will ask you why and you will say "I'm from RUS/BR" and then your whole team will start flaming away and tell you to get the **** out and go back to your own region and play with your own people. How many such games will you be able to tolerate before you give in to the inevitable truth that playing in your region is the best and most sensible thing to do?

Do you really think that in Dota2 US/EU players will tolerate "huehuehue" and "[][][][] )))))", just becouse the game will allow other regions? Think again. Probably Valve and Blizzard will think so too; and as for LoL - you can switch regions, but for a fee, so either you pay or you give in and play in your own region. Life is tough.

I predict 150k players in a couple of months after this move, so gg wp s2 :)

[erigais]

why do you all want to play with the NA's? We're a bunch of trolls and try hards. Your wait time will be less because your getting a match with people in your region, your ping will be amazing because you are playing close by and garena could sell it well down there so there will be more players. Garena looks like they are doing things right tournament-wise down there in SEA. 150k ladyboy tournament? SELL ME OUT TO GARENA ALREADY.

*edit I realize garena is not managin LA HoN but at the time i wrote it i did not know who was going to and this post was in a different related thread now moved by a mod(ty mod btw).

[Lennic]

Well they do earn more$ this way

[Carcharhinus]

HoN LA?

Los Angeles?

[MojoSpirit]

Enjoy the game man.
Let the staff do their jobs.

Goodbye Hon...

Say Hello Dota 2!

[K2`Error]

I welcome this decision and salute S2 for making this step. And yes - i also have a friend from Brasil with whom we regularly play together AND i will be sad to see him go, but sometimes individuals just have to accept tough decisions for the good of the greater whole, so both me, him and you will have to GET OVER IT.

For those who fail to see how this will make the game grow - re-read the russian Garena move thread. There were IDENTICAL whines and butthurts there; from "omg i can't play with my friends anymore" over "S2 sold us out" to "S2 is racist towards russians", but lo and behold - most players except the russians welcomed the decisions becouse most players found playing with russians hard. And guess what? 1 month after the move russian Garena HoN's player numbers exploded; it's becouse of THIS move that we have reached 100.000 players online, not becouse EU or US players - which many of you are so eager to rub in our face once player number increases are mentioned.

I see the same thing here; brazilians are whining, US players are rejoicing becouse they won't have to play with BR's anymore, just like EU players did for russians.

As for SC2, LoL, Dota2 and Diablo 3 allowing players to play in other regions: be my guest and go play those other games becouse S2 has locked you to your region. Choose a different region than your native one and this will probably happen: you will have higher ping and thus more problems playing; when you will do badly, they will start complaining and you will say "I have lag"; then they will ask you why and you will say "I'm from RUS/BR" and then your whole team will start flaming away and tell you to get the **** out and go back to your own region and play with your own people. How many such games will you be able to tolerate before you give in to the inevitable truth that playing in your region is the best and most sensible thing to do?

Do you really thing that in Dota2 US/EU players will tolerate "huehuehue" and "[][][][] )))))", just becouse the game will allow other regions? Think again. Probably Valve and Blizzard will think so too; and as for LoL - you can switch regions, but for a fee, so either you pay or you give in and play in your own region. Life is tough.

I predict 150k players in a couple of months after this move, so gg wp s2 :)

You may be right, but for those who bought the game, that's just not fair to be excluded.

HoN LA?

Los Angeles?

Latin America


Well they do earn more$ this way

Probably some quick cash by selling the rights to Axeso5 and Garena, seems like they're just trying to keep themselves afloat. S2 can't seem to afford advertisement or tournaments.


why do you all want to play with the NA's? We're a bunch of trolls and try hards. Your wait time will be less because your getting a match with people in your region, your ping will be amazing because you are playing close by and garena could sell it well down there so there will be more players. Garena looks like they are doing things right tournament-wise down there in SEA. 150k ladyboy tournament? SELL ME OUT TO GARENA ALREADY.

We're getting Axeso5, not Garena, closes DotA server in Argentina had 400ms ping, while I had 150~ to NA, I honestly don't trust these guys.

Also, HoN is only popular in Brazil, down here in Peru barely anyone plays it, only a handful of my friends play it.


Enjoy the game man.
Let the staff do their jobs.

Trying man, kinda hard to smile and keep playing when you see the already broken community getting even more shattered.

I really hope they allow me to separate my Main and Alt accounts in the transfer so I can keep one in HoN NA, just in case

[Zuk]

Ok, that's enough... I was trying to support this company but the only things you guys do is screwing this game.
And it cames the day that I'll stop... And not only me, many people that I know will give up from this game, its so sad, I was a regular customer and this is like giving a foot on my face from you S2.

Really hope you guys don't start IP blocking us, otherwise, bye bye... Me and so many other ill move on to another company that really cares about their players.

[AdventureMan]

HoN CIS barely has 2k most of the time

10 300 atm.

[Skyve]

Pretty sure the reason for the decision was that S2 was hoping to expand their game - HoN in Russia and SEA has grown by quite a lot since the 'segregation'.

[pallaking]

That's a sad move S2... I like HoN because it is (or at least was) international and you could find people from any country. Making certain regions "stick to their own kind" is a wrong decision, giving mates no opportunity to play with each other anymore. I've been a supporter of you until now but you really want people to stop supporting you. (and no, I am NOT directly affected by this change)

Edit: ^ agreed with the poster before me. You're not caring about your customers; not all all. You even give them a kick to the face for supporting you.

[EddieKo]

i really think this is a dumb move from s2, i know it worked on garena but cmon on international servers the population is already below 40k if you remove Brazilians and korea the population will drop even more...

[Nospheratu]

You may be right, but for those who bought the game, that's just not fair to be excluded.

Read the terms of service then - fair or not fair, S2 can do with their product as they wish (like i wrote, life is tough). What if they decided to shut down the services for those regions instead?

In related news - Electronic Arts has recently announced the server shutdown for a whooping 11 of their games: http://www.ea.com/1/service-updates
Now imagine you bought "Godfather 2" or "Fifa 10" 1 or 2 years ago and now you won't be able to play it online anymore, ever.

At least you'll be able to play HoN for years to come, even though in another region ;)

[K2`Error]

Read the terms of service then - fair or not fair, S2 can do with their product as they wish (like i wrote, life is tough). What if they decided to shut down the services for those regions instead?

In related news - Electronic Arts has recently announced the server shutdown for a whooping 11 of their games: http://www.ea.com/1/service-updates
Now imagine you bought "Godfather 2" or "Fifa 10" 1 or 2 years ago and now you won't be able to play it online anymore, ever.

At least you'll be able to play HoN for years to come, even though in another region ;)

I'll be able to play HoN for years to come, waiting also years to get a game. If they're about to do it, just shut down the service, the end. So we can move on and play another games 'bout to come. Well I'll just wait and that's it. If they do it, so be it, we, costumers can't do anything about it.

[DarkAgonizer]

dont cry for me argentina brazil also ;_)

[Scherzo]

I am still wondering why does it has to be a complete region lock, and not just region selection like with USEast, USWest and Europe servers.

Is this something imposed on by the other company? (garena, cis, etc.) or is there any other reasons for such a move?

I'm curious as to why can I play on an oversea server (for me, the european one) and not on a south american server.

[Nospheratu]

HoN CIS barely has 2k most of the time

Screenshot of the record-breaking 100k online:
http://i.imgur.com/FeFzS.png

The player number depends mostly on the time of day; if you live in the US and you look on CIS in the afternoon, most CIS players will be sleeping; if you'd log in at 4am in the morning, you'd see that there are many more CIS online, since it's the middle of the day on the other side of the globe.



We're getting Axeso5, not Garena, closes DotA server in Argentina had 400ms ping, while I had 150~ to NA, I honestly don't trust these guys.


We read virtually the same stuff about Garena from russian players before the move; furthermore we STILL read basicly the same stuff everytime a new hero is released: "I think the hero is OP, even though i haven't even tried it once". I understand that you don't trust them, but at least give them a chance before you condemn them :)

[MojoSpirit]

Didn't we hit the 100K record recently?

[Inomares]

Trust me when I say that despite what everyone seems to think, S2 is not trying to kill their own game. If they start a partnership such as this, they expect good things to come out of it, and their playerbase to expand, which I am not doubtful it will.

[ktz0r]

Want to bring servers to LA, ok, but IP block is such a bullshit.

[Vegeto`]

When will be the release date?

[ArnoldRimmer]

So I take it by Xander's silence that the answer to the question of being able to play with south american friends is: no, you cant.

[Alfawarlord]

What are the commonwealth of indepent states?

[MojoSpirit]

What are the commonwealth of indepent states?

Those pre Soviet countries.

Bad move s2.
You wanna expand? Expand with your own legs.
Buy a office in Korea and another in LA and host your own game there. If you look for excellence do it yourself instead of renting sub companies that will not deliver the same product standarts that you care so much about it. Also, you state that you are becoming a large game company... first look around you, to the others large game companies on the market... They all have region servers to better attend their costumers but NONE OF THEM force you to play on a specific server by ip blockin you from all others.
As a HoN Beta Player I must say I still really enjoy playing this game but within this 2 years I kept gettin more and more disappointed with the decisions that s2 makes to "manage" it.

Languague barriers?
You have to come with something better than that... Canadians speak English and French are you going to release another 2 servers for them also? I have friends from Miami who cant barely speak english... dont they diserve a sub spanish server in United States? Brazilians speak portuguese and not spanish and they represent 40% of South America! But creating servers with people who ONLY speak spanish is ok, right? What about making a server where Spain can play with latin america cuz they are the only one in Europe talkin in Spanish!

Wake up S2 we live in GLOBALIZED world.

Finally but not least... Ip blocks? Shame on you s2.

[Torpo]

Marketing & E-Sport: The Korean and Latin American competitive gaming scenes are about to find out what Heroes of Newerth is all about. We will be better able to reach out to gamers on a global scale and foster growth in the HoN community. Gamers in both regions can expect localized tournaments and prize pools that will dominate some of the most emergent E-Sport markets in gaming......................................... WHEN IS NORTH AMERICA GONNA FIND OUT ??????????????????????



And thanks for letting me know i wont be able to play with ANY of my South American friends.

[Voldemort`]

Remember, the reasons for these changes are found in the OP. They are not related to player skill or whether they speak a certain language. It's about improving their HoN experience and growing the scene in those areas. More HoN players is nothing but a good thing!

Again, please keep the Forum Rules in mind while posting here. There are many posts that are being removed for violating the rules. Disagreeing is fine but inappropriate language, trolling, spamming or defamation is not.

Anyone else not following their logic here? By segregating the players, seperating friends and preventing them from playing with each other, is going to improve their HoN experience? Since it's a team based game, am big chunk of the player base are playing the game solely on the fact that their friends are playing it. Your move is really counter productive, to be honest.

Sure, I get that you want to spread the scene, but was this really the most efficient way to do so, though? If there's a lot of people playing the same game, the word will spread and more players would eventually join in. I can buy that. But in all honesty, why would you region lock it? It goes against all sense and logic why you wouldn't have the option to choose whether to be locked or not. You can clearly see in the comments that there are always people disagreeing or agreeing on this, which would mean that if you would have an option to be locked or not, there'd still be people choosing to be locked. And the rest will still enjoy playing with their friends. That's a textbook win/win situation in my eyes.

The scene will spread and thrive, you'll get more players in, and cut the bullsh*t, you'll get more out of it. Financially speaking. "It's about improving their HoN experience and growing the scene in those areas. More HoN players is nothing but a good thing!" - reeks of greed. I'm not complaining though, I'm sure you could use it. More tourneys and more competative play.

My two cents.

[Dantarios]

So now most players on Latin american server will speak Portuguese? may i ask why spain is not getting moved, makes sense because they speak spanish too...

[No_Sense]

I'm done. Just done.

[Myronath]

Huge mistake, bye s2.

[K2`Error]

Hey S2, are you there? What about the answers?

[Vegeto`]

When will be the release date?

[SpitFountain]

There is something no one is taking on consideration about the Latin American IP Block: Axeso5 games are being played by 10year old kids on cybercafes. This will bring a lot of NEW and BAD players... and seeing the amount of Latin American players is so reduced at this moment (since per game i get paired with only one latin player, roughly) we are gona get stucked to play with a lot of new and bad players.

Also, this kids dont have credit cards and just play the games for free.

[Zuk]

I don't really know, but I think S2 don't realize that in LA, Brazil is the only country that speaks PORTUGUESE and not SPANISH... So the brazilian people do not talk the same language like all the other countrys in LA.

Why just not give us an option? We can go to the LA or stay here... IP block is such a failure.

[linkstat]

I wrote a private msg with this...

Hello,
My name is Patrick, i'm from Argentina, and i have been playing HoN since 2009, since it was closed beta. Then i played when it was PAY-TO-PLAY.
I have been supporting HoN since 2009, so i think players like me, that made HoN possible MUST be take into account.

I have read the news about the new change coming.. But is this really good? No, it's not good.
As i said i been playing hon since 2009, so over all that time i have been making friends to play with. And all of them are from US and EU.
With this change a lot of users lose their TEAM MATES. People who we are used to play with, know how they play and that is what makes HoN experience better.

I read that some users complain that some people of Latin America doesn't understand English and that makes hard and if not impossible to comunicatte with, during games. My solution, add a simple test to verify that the user knows English and will be able to comunicatte with.

A simple example about region division would be World of Warcraft. In my case, as default the game will be in Latin-american spanish and the region would be Latin America, but Blizzard allows me to play in US region...

Another very important thing is the game style of players. When i first came to play HoN and started to play with US players i notice how different they played, their game style is more aggressive more dynamic.
How do i know this? I play dota since 2002... and as you may know WC3 engine made impossible to play with people in the US, EU and ASIA. So i had to play with ONLY argentine and with the time made it very boring.

I think this new change will make S2Games lost a lot of people dude to this change as also you may know Dota2 will be released in December 2012 and allows you to play in any region, no matter where you are.

Last thing to be take into account, is that users Axeso5.com are all little kids from 9 to 13 years (This is very well known). So...
Why would we all want to to play with immature players that makes HoN experience worst?

Please take into account our opinions.
I wrote this whole "letter" because i care about S2Games, because i want to keep playing and enjoy this awesome game with my friends, no matther were they are.

Sincerely yours,
Patrick F. Hamann.

[JD`z]

what the hell S2, so stupid :S
make an option to enter these servers for them at least, i got a friend from br whom i wanna play with and im eu, what's with these barriers :S

[K2`Error]

Hello,
My name is Patrick, i'm from Argentina, and i have been playing HoN since 2009, since it was closed beta. Then i played when it was PAY-TO-PLAY.
I have been supporting HoN since 2009, so i think players like me, that made HoN possible MUST be take into account.

I have read the news about the new change coming.. But is this really good? No, it's not good.
As i said i been playing hon since 2009, so over all that time i have been making friends to play with. And all of them are from US and EU.
With this change a lot of users lose their TEAM MATES. People who we are used to play with, know how they play and that is what makes HoN experience better.

I read that some users complain that some people of Latin America doesn't understand English and that makes hard and if not impossible to comunicatte with, during games. My solution, add a simple test to verify that the user knows English and will be able to comunicatte with.

A simple example about region division would be World of Warcraft. In my case, as default the game will be in Latin-american spanish and the region would be Latin America, but Blizzard allows me to play in US region...

Another very important thing is the game style of players. When i first came to play HoN and started to play with US players i notice how different they played, their game style is more aggressive more dynamic.
How do i know this? I play dota since 2002... and as you may know WC3 engine made impossible to play with people in the US, EU and ASIA. So i had to play with ONLY argentine and with the time made it very boring.

I think this new change will make S2Games lost a lot of people dude to this change as also you may know Dota2 will be released in December 2012 and allows you to play in any region, no matter where you are.

Last thing to be take into account, is that users Axeso5.com are all little kids from 9 to 13 years (This is very well known). So...
Why would we all want to to play with immature players that makes HoN experience worst?

Please take into account our opinions.
I wrote this whole "letter" because i care about S2Games, because i want to keep playing and enjoy this awesome game with my friends, no matther were they are.

Sincerely yours,
Patrick F. Hamann.

Agreed.

[Since1989]

hi lulu, can you pls tell me something about HoN in China?
I heard that Sgamer.com had obtained the distribution right for HoN in China a long time ago. But where is it? where is the future of HoN in China, we got millions of players here. We want it ! Can u tell me when will HoN comes to China?

[BEECHSLOOD]

Great change, sick of losing games due to people unable to communicate with the team, **** language barriers.

To all of you crying about not being able to play with friends, deal with it. this is for the greater good.

[Mihai675]

best part is you have more lag from say peru to chile or argentina than to the usa

[Batchman]

so basically u saying future plan is to leave only us/eu market in s2 hands ... garena sea was pretty good choice, rus on the other hand ...

its worth it only if new regions will have similar population as int hon, otherwise u are killing hon, because no1 will play a game without enough players to actually play it

[Zuk]

Not every Latin people can't speak a proper english... So for this, that I belive is greater than the one's who can't speak, we could choose to move for not.

[BruteLoop]

no thanks, this sucks, latin america server sucks

[Whip]

I just find it funny that they call this "international" HoN. Oh well.

[Satangossu]

I bet we gonna have higher pings playing on LA servers then on USE servers. You heard here first.

I'm also eager to hear what all the american baddies will complain about when they have no more BR's. The entire american player base should be 1700+ in a week by their logic.

[JustDog]

*Drop GGs' *
well s2, I differ, It may expand whatsoever a little bit more. BUT AT WHAT COST?? (lol) Axeso5.com are not organized at all .... believe me ... i know their work, and im not just trying to be mean with them, I'm really not, It just that they haven't grew and never will, they are way too immature.
Laggy servers, No competitive play, etc.

"PLZ DON'T ERASE THIS POST"

[linkstat]

I have just an email to "support@heroesofnewerth.com"

And it says this:

Hello,
My name is Patrick, i'm from Argentina, and i have been playing HoN since 2009, since it was closed beta. Then i played when it was PAY-TO-PLAY.
I have been supporting HoN since 2009, so i think players like me, that made HoN possible MUST be take into account.

I have read the news about the new change coming.. But is this really good? No, it's not good.
As i said i been playing hon since 2009, so over all that time i have been making friends to play with. And all of them are from US and EU.
With this change a lot of users lose their TEAM MATES. People who we are used to play with, know how they play and that is what makes HoN experience better.

I read that some users complain that some people of Latin America doesn't understand English and that makes hard and if not impossible to comunicatte with, during games. My solution, add a simple test to verify that the user knows English and will be able to comunicatte with.

A simple example about region division would be World of Warcraft. In my case, as default the game will be in Latin-american spanish and the region would be Latin America, but Blizzard allows me to play in US region...

Another very important thing is the game style of players. When i first came to play HoN and started to play with US players i notice how different they played, their game style is more aggressive more dynamic.
How do i know this? I play dota since 2002... and as you may know WC3 engine made impossible to play with people in the US, EU and ASIA. So i had to play with ONLY argentine and with the time made it very boring.

I think this new change will make S2Games lost a lot of people dude to this change as also you may know Dota2 will be released in December 2012 and allows you to play in any region, no matter where you are.

Last thing to be take into account, is that users Axeso5.com are all little kids from 9 to 13 years (This is very well known). So...
Why would we all want to to play with immature players that makes HoN experience worst?

Please take into account our opinions.
I wrote this whole "letter" because i care about S2Games, because i want to keep playing and enjoy this awesome game with my friends, no matther were they are.

Sincerely yours,
Patrick F. Hamann.

PD: As you may see, there a lot of people saying the same, and they are not from Latin America.
Check these replys:
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15010350&postcount=141
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15010156&postcount=124
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15010105&postcount=115
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15010103&postcount=114
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15010077&postcount=113
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15010012&postcount=110
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009821&postcount=103
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009909&postcount=106
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009667&postcount=95
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009590&postcount=85
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009561&postcount=83
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009547&postcount=82
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009545&postcount=81 (this one speaks true)
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009541&postcount=80
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009537&postcount=78
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009534&postcount=76
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009442&postcount=58
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009422&postcount=55
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009414&postcount=54
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009405&postcount=52
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009401&postcount=50
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009390&postcount=48
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009369&postcount=41
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009354&postcount=36
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009280&postcount=27
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009268&postcount=26
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009246&postcount=23
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009188&postcount=19
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009182&postcount=18
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009180&postcount=17
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009118&postcount=13
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009112&postcount=11
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=15009068&postcount=6

So S2Games... those posts are from the FIRST 12HOURS after the announcement...
It's not a smart move to ignore fans.

So please send an email to support@heroesofnewerth.com and make a request! Be polite, with words people understand each other.

If we don't get a resolution we should leave. We MUST be listen!!!

Bad move s2.
You wanna expand? Expand with your own legs.
Buy a office in Korea and another in LA and host your own game there. If you look for excellence do it yourself instead of renting sub companies that will not deliver the same product standarts that you care so much about it. Also, you state that you are becoming a large game company... first look around you, to the others large game companies on the market... They all have region servers to better attend their costumers but NONE OF THEM force you to play on a specific server by ip blockin you from all others.
As a HoN Beta Player I must say I still really enjoy playing this game but within this 2 years I kept gettin more and more disappointed with the decisions that s2 makes to "manage" it.

Languague barriers?
You have to come with something better than that... Canadians speak English and French are you going to release another 2 servers for them also? I have friends from Miami who cant barely speak english... dont they diserve a sub spanish server in United States? Brazilians speak portuguese and not spanish and they represent 40% of South America! But creating servers with people who ONLY speak spanish is ok, right? What about making a server where Spain can play with latin america cuz they are the only one in Europe talkin in Spanish!

Wake up S2 we live in GLOBALIZED world.

Finally but not least... Ip blocks? Shame on you s2.
This said it all. Hear us s2.

[BruteLoop]

Im not playing in latin america servers period, I know how it is, I changed a game region with gunbound years ago, worst experience I had and I always regretted of that. Also I'm not paying a VPN to play in US, sorry I'm not supporting this game anymore the way it's going.

If this is going to happen I would like a refund.

[sirshane]

LoL is one of the fastest growing games in korea at the moment but id guess that as a country HoN would be more suited to the people being the most competitive gaming country in the world with SC1 and SC2 being completely huge for years.

[BruteLoop]

refund? are you kidding? ahhaahahhaahhaha

I'm just saying, I know it's not going to happen but somehow I'll get my money back if this happen.

At least for the ppl who paid for this game let them choose where to paly.

[KlausPactus]

"players in Latin America and Korea will no longer be able to play HoN on North American/European Union Servers. " that is almost like censure, i have a lot of friends on these regions and i do not want to stop playing with them, i really disapprove this measure... if someone from S2 Staff could awnser that please

[Zuk]

Refund... I choose play THIS game, and not to be moving out for those excuses...

[Wizito]

Now... with this decision... i think... i waste my money, buying coins for this game. S2... I request my money. Every day, i know a new friend in USA. Thank you S2 games.

GG.

[GoogleCEO]

wont come China？sad

[Everchosen]

I don't understand.

SC2 has region locking. LoL has region locking/division.

It is a necessary step, when a game gains popularity, to subcontract out work to companies that have established architecture in the relevant parts of the world.

S2 can't just build a new office in every continental region they wish to expand in. Reality doesn't work like that.

[RacingGun]

Just to make it clear: 75% of the people I play, that are on my friends list, and are in my clan with are from Mexico. I'm living in the US. If I can't play with them after this change. GG NO RE... I'm outta here.

Fostering and growing each region in which HoN is played is a great idea. S2 might not be stupid when it comes to increasing their user base, and I'd be happy to be community mature and the user base increase. I love HoN, it is the game I've spent over 1000 hours playing in the last year, but I play mostly because it's a team game that I can play with my friends. If I can't play with them, then there's no incentive for me to play.

Before I played HoN, I played SC2 like CRAZY. One day the people I played with regularly were online less and less, and eventually I couldn't regularly play games with my friends anymore. I played 1v1 for a while, but it didn't have the same flair or fun for me. So I stopped playing when these awesome guys from Mexico showed me HoN. I never looked back. Well... gg S2, if you break us apart, I'm outta here.

[GoDs]

I don't understand.

SC2 has region locking. LoL has region locking/division.

It is a necessary step, when a game gains popularity, to subcontract out work to companies that have established architecture in the relevant parts of the world.

S2 can't just build a new office in every continental region they wish to expand in. Reality doesn't work like that.

But in SC2 i can buy a US-CD key and problem solved, here... nop just IP-Block.

This way for bussiness is just an another example of how bad S2 handle every situation.

[RacingGun]

I don't understand.

SC2 has region locking.

Yes, SC2 has region locking, but I can still play with my friends from Mexico. The difference is being able to choose your region.

[MrStitch]

Good luck US with now having 10h queue time. :)

[raouldooke]

im done, quitting hon, moving into dota 2 when this **** happens, just sayin

[Erdrick]

Again, please keep the Forum Rules in mind while posting here. There are many posts that are being removed for violating the rules. Disagreeing is fine but inappropriate language, trolling, spamming or defamation is not.

Wow. Just, wow.
You guys removed my earlier post from last night, which had no inappropriate language, no trolling, no spamming, no defamation. All it had were well written out points and politely phrased questions. Which apparently you all had no good answers to, and not liking such a well written post pointing out reasons against your decision being available for people to read, decided to remove it instead of responding to it.
At this point it has become exceedingly clear that your company has lost even the lowest of standards, and has now become entirely unworthy of any additional support from any of the people who play your game, perhaps with the exception of the trolls who welcome any change that you make so long as it negatively and adversely affects players who are not them.
Does this mean I will quit playing your game? Likely very soon, despite my appreciation of its in-game qualities. Certainly as soon as this region block goes into effect.
I am expecting this post to be deleted, given that once again no one at $2 will have a good answer to it, and because unlike the post to which I am referring, this new post has nothing constructive to add to the discussion, and is instead aimed at letting you all know (as I'm sure you've heard from thousands of other players), that you are by far and away one of the worst managed game companies I have ever heard of as far as customer relations goes. You're just damned lucky there are so many ill-raised children out there who lack the ability to care about anyone but themselves, as these are the players that continue to stay through everything you do, and will eventually be all that remains of your player-base.

[RacingGun]

*ninja edit* After some posts were deleted, this reply makes no sense. To summarize: Mexico is a part of Latin America and you won't be able to play games with people from Canada/US and Mexico or anywhere else in Latin America after this change (if it goes through as described).

[JustDog]

bump, dont ever kill this thread, KEEP IT ALIVE TO EXPRESS THE RAGE WE FEEL

[RacingGun]

For me it's not even rage, just sadness. I love this game, but aside from the game itself, what I love most is playing with my friends. If I can't do that, there's no big draw for me. We'll move onto something else.

I've played this game for 3 years now. Im playing since August 2009, the day after i upgraded my old computer, the first game I instaled was HoN. Closed Beta times, no MMR, on Alt Avatars, just joinining a game and have fun.

This game has mutated along the road, also the comunitty, but especially the management. From some point until now I've seen how the first game i installed on my computer become a shadow of what it was. The comunity is in this moment worst than ever, trolling is raising a lot more faster than actually players, S2 counts the "unique logins" but they doesnt check how many accounts actually play the game and makes statements like the "vote-kick" issue.

Anyway, none of the previous issues was really a breakibng point until now. This ip-block is the last thing i would expected to hear from S2. I've made a lot of friends in this game, most of them from the US since i play on USE, i wont be able to play with those guys anymore. When HoN went retail 2 years ago, there was this private server, it was terrible, great pings, but player level was awful and games were boring. I used to create new accounts to play the 10-trial games that you were allowed before buying it. But this, Im done with this game, im gonna enjoy the last few weeks of decent games and the maybe ill sell my account and move on.

Good bye HoN.

[Digslaw]

I'm so exciting to play LA servers with 400ms+
That's what it is going to be.

[DarkLynx]

It's kinda funny how the world is moving to a place where you can reach anyone in any place of the world quickly and easily. And you're moving to the other side, trying to go back to an era without the Internet where you could only interact with people on your area.

Defu$# is wrong with you.

[RacingGun]

I honestly just don't see the issue with providing amazing local servers in various regions, but leaving the choice up to the player where they want to play. If the servers in your local region actually provide a lower ping, PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO PLAY ON THOSE SERVERS. You don't have to force them to. I live in Los Angeles, I only play on USWest. I get 150+ ping on USEast servers, which is too high for my liking. See how it works. You don't have to force it.

[Zuk]

Jesus I even got a international credit card to buy coins here and now S2 give me IP block, what a company... You guys really deserve a bankrupt.

[BabyPeter]

I don't see why S2 has to create a 100% ip block - you should definitely think about creating the potential or possibility for players in any area of the world to play on the server they choose.

I'm no business major, but I have a good idea on how this may be implemented. Seeing from this thread how many LA players are complaining that there's going to be a bunch of new and bad 10 year olds running the new LA servers, why not create an option for players that have been playing prior to this change that would allow them to play on US and EU servers?

OR...

since we all know that you (S2) is so much more about the money than the wishes of the community, i have a second idea that could work to fulfill both needs (in principal). Allow Korean and LA users to pay a premium one-time payment that would allow them to play in any server. This would also cut off the new 10 year olds from playing with you, as they dont have credit cards (as mentioned by some user before).

YAY or NAY?!?

[K2`Error]

I don't see why S2 has to create a 100% ip block - you should definitely think about creating the potential or possibility for players in any area of the world to play on the server they choose.

I'm no business major, but I have a good idea on how this may be implemented. Seeing from this thread how many LA players are complaining that there's going to be a bunch of new and bad 10 year olds running the new LA servers, why not create an option for players that have been playing prior to this change that would allow them to play on US and EU servers?

OR...

since we all know that you (S2) is so much more about the money than the wishes of the community, i have a second idea that could work to fulfill both needs (in principal). Allow Korean and LA users to pay a premium one-time payment that would allow them to play in any server. This would also cut off the new 10 year olds from playing with you, as they dont have credit cards (as mentioned by some user before).

YAY or NAY?!?

YAY!
1st: You buy the game.
2nd: You are forbidden to play on all servers except where you live.
3rd: You pay ( again, for no reason... ) to play w/e server you want.

4th: Nope.

[cank3r]

Just place South American servers, and thats it. FFS who is the person behind this madness? :mali:

[K2`Error]

Just place South American servers, and thats it. FFS who is the person behind this madness? :mali:

Exactly. :mali:

[BabyPeter]

YAY!
1st: You buy the game.
2nd: You are forbidden to play on all servers except where you live.
3rd: You pay ( again, for no reason... ) to play w/e server you want.

4th: Nope.

Guy, i understand that this would obviously not be ideal. But seeing as how this change seems inevitable, that may be the only option.

If S2 is really intent on going along with this complete ip lock, then players that really want to stick with the game, regardless of the change, should be given an option. i'm so sure that many people in korea and LA would be willing to pay a little (hopefully not more than 10 or so) for this.

so okay guy, i know you probably wouldnt want to. but there are plenty that probably would. im just offering a suggestion. this change does not in any way affect me, other than not being able to play with some close friends that are residing in korea at the moment.

[IEVITE]

i fail to understand one thing

how this is for the best? or to expand the comunity.

If this happens, not only me but a LOT of people will quit playin and move on to dota 2 , diablo 3, basically any game that allows me to play with a friend from another continent.

New gamers? how ? they're not playin right now so how is that changin with ip block?

Its not even worth it, you wont make profit from this thats for sure.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/17403432.jpg

[CyFiN]

Good to see that S2 is expanding its footprint for its community! Best of luck for both regions!

[RacingGun]

Good to see that S2 is expanding its footprint for its community! Best of luck for both regions!

Yes, expanding is good. Division is less good. Preventing players that are currently playing together enjoyably from doing so in the future is terrible.

[bertolossi]

I am from Brazil, and this hon-iversary will be the worse. i've playing it since it began, and now i won't be able to play with my US mates.
"Once the game is fully released and no longer in beta, players in Latin America and Korea will no longer be able to play HoN on North American/European Union Servers. The transfer program will allow them to continue playing HoN by transferring all of their prior purchases and account credentials to local servers in their region."
really? so, why can't I choose? I can say 90% in english, as you can see, it is pretty good. create south america regions to choose! God dammit... i hate playing with brazillians. RACISTSSSSSS -----joke
cmon man! some months from now it will release a new hero on US 5 months ealier than in brazil. It will have a SUPER-DELAY, i bet. if you're doing this, do it correctly and don't ruin the best game I ever played, PLEASE.


option. is it democracy ? I wan't better ping. I don't want to play with brazillians but my friends. I wan't to be able to play with my US/EU friends. I wan't you to LISTEN your community. I wan't people to understand that 80% of brazil doesn't speak english but there is 20% THAT DOES. I wan't South American servers, and a option to thumb up it or not. I guess all of us (brazil) want it. and please, if you wan't to make more money doing that, (yes ur probably wanting to do it) CREATE CUSTOM MAPS ON PUBLIC GAMES CATEGORY! can't you see that 90% of players on garena that play custom maps (RPGs) on warcraft III would move to HoN in at least 1 year? that is OLD. do something new. what did you do? created HoN because of DotA. CREATE RPGs BECAUSE OF WARCRAFT! All the comunity wants it. DO IT!

[dschuma]

Faster servers? Its gona be exactly the same as if you were playing on US Servers. If its not then you must be playing from dial-up.

I often play with South American friends (from further than Mexico) who complain about constant high pings. While they are split on the issue of whether they like the change or not, they all agree it will be nice to not have a low ping of 300 and a regular high ping of around 500-700. It will be sad to see them go, and I'm sure they will miss their friends in other zones, but I'm hoping the regional support and more focused localization will make up for it.

EDIT: Before anyone misunderstands anything, I don't work for S2, I'm a player like everyone else. I volunteer my time to help out, this is *MY* opinion, not that of a company or organization. And yes, I realize that Mexico is a part of North America, I added the part in parentheses right before I hit post, thinking to assuage the arguments of those in Mexico without realizing I wrote South American instead of Latin American. If we're going to have a mature discussion, it's best to stick to facts and not argue semantics since it's so easy to type something by accident when you're going back and changing things you wrote.

[bertolossi]

so... have you heard the news? we (brazil) are not going to be able to play with US/EU friends very soon.
vote it... :legi:
INFO (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=405944)
btw where can I find the option to make the quiz? :mali:
did they remove it? #fail

[JustDog]

Axeso5 is not good, tested it out..... you will no longer play hon... you'll play something else, not good :C

[AzureAlain]

I often play with South American friends (from further than Mexico) who complain about constant high pings. While they are split on the issue of whether they like the change or not, they all agree it will be nice to not have a low ping of 300 and a regular high ping of around 500-700. It will be sad to see them go, and I'm sure they will miss their friends in other zones, but I'm hoping the regional support and more focused localization will make up for it.


South American friends.....


Mexico is from North America, my ping is never higher tan 50-80 on USW

Maybe the NAFTA is new to you guys, but this might be Mindblowing Mexico is part of North America

[Lhune]

Those in favor: "Lol awesome, no more idiot/illiterate/noob Brazillians, thank you so much!"

Those opposed: "I can't play with my friends anymore..."

And you wonder why HoN's community is considered dreadful. You're constantly making changes to appeal to the wrong people, resulting in them staying and your good customers leaving. I live in Europe, so this change doesn't even affect me at all, but it doesn't seem the slightest bit logical or necessary to me.

[Nuveno]

haha, its funny, cuz here in chile we know that the axeso5 servers are total garbage, i play in usa servers with 170 ping, and in axeso, i play with over 500 ping.
axeso is only good for mmorpg, cuz the ping doesn't matter but in a real time game or anything that u need reflexes, is horrible.

this notice really broke my heart, i support S2 since the closed beta but now, im doomed to play on axeso5 servers and i really dont want to do it..

[bertolossi]

What??? NO MORE BRAZILLIANS!??!!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWLIgjB9gGw

):

most brazillians are bat. not all of them

[Zuk]

axeso servers are terrible, Im in LA and I get pings 100~200ms and its excellent.

[bertolossi]

REALLY? axeso5 IS THAT BAD? omg. s2, i bought this account. EVERYONE is complaining about it. REALLY? are you changing our 300~ ping to 500~ ping + no possibilities to play with friends FOR YOU ****in MONEY? you'll lose it. everyone is going to move to dota2. just think about it, and think it again. we can get used to dota 2, don't u think? i got used to hon, since closed beta. i was one of the firsts that logged in here, and i won't be the last to get out. it is not my opinion, but most brazillians'

[JustDog]

axeso servers are terrible, im in la and i get pings 100~200ms and its excellent.

can a brother get an amenn???!!!!

[Koj1roBo1]

This is the worst decision EVER made by s2games for me, as a BRAZILLIAN, there is nothing I would hate more than play only with this kind of players who ruin EVERY SINGLE GAME, SOCIAL NETWORK ETC. If this decision be made without any kind of choice for us, it's gonna be like a goodbye for hon, there is no way good players can ONLY play with scrubs/jerks, and yes, I am saying I'm like 21938x better than other brazillians, and that's exactly why I disagree with s2games in this.

[DerRape]

Yes, expanding is good. Division is less good. Preventing players that are currently playing together enjoyably from doing so in the future is terrible.

The experience tells us otherwise, both regions that went to garena experienced a major growth in numbers.

[bertolossi]

first bleach.. now hon... PLEASE ONE PIECE! DON'T GET RUINED!

[Purecito]

nice, really nice

[Zuk]

You cant compare Axo5o with Garena, Russians got lucky to have better servers and all local people playing, Im going to play with 12yo kids talking spanish with 500ms.

[RacingGun]

The experience tells us otherwise, both regions that went to garena experienced a major growth in numbers.

I wasn't talking about user base growth (which I think is a great thing), I was talking about stopping me from playing with my friends.

[Purecito]

Axeso servers are really bad and is a bad choise, i cant belive this.

[Syzyty]

for once in my life im grateful that im from Europe

[Lotheim]

So how will i play with my friends? i will lose them? </3

[Darkon]

Not sure I want to follow the troll post above (yay absolutes!) but here is my .02:

At it's heart, S2 Games is a business. A B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S. A business' goal is to make a profit. As harsh as it is to say, although this change will displace some (and certainly inconvenience/bother others), it will ultimately lead to more players of HoN in the affected regions. Expansion, as has been called out, is the end goal.

For those that are calling this false because it segregates, doesn't fit with a globalization of the world, etc. etc. your arguments face a very strong hard fact/data point: After the SEA/CIS changes (that follow the same parameters), player count increased substantially. As it's been called out, the goal here is that local support (and by the way, that means hosting it on their servers too) will encourage expansion more than S2 themselves would be able to. Ultimately, this leads to a bigger playerbase, and (most likely) more profit for S2.

Yes, customers are important. Yes, so is loyalty. I am certain S2 did not make this decision lightly, or without weighing the benefits vs the risks.

I do feel bad for those who feel they will be negatively impacted, but ultimately this is the best decision for the business that is S2 Games. Hopefully, it will ultimately benefit the overall community in the affected regions as well.

[Purecito]

Not sure I want to follow the troll post above (yay absolutes!) but here is my .02:

At it's heart, S2 Games is a business. A B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S. A business' goal is to make a profit. As harsh as it is to say, although this change will displace some (and certainly inconvenience/bother others), it will ultimately lead to more players of HoN in the affected regions. Expansion, as has been called out, is the end goal.

For those that are calling this false because it segregates, doesn't fit with a globalization of the world, etc. etc. your arguments face a very strong hard fact/data point: After the SEA/CIS changes (that follow the same parameters), player count increased substantially. As it's been called out, the goal here is that local support (and by the way, that means hosting it on their servers too) will encourage expansion more than S2 themselves would be able to. Ultimately, this leads to a bigger playerbase, and (most likely) more profit for S2.

Yes, customers are important. Yes, so is loyalty. I am certain S2 did not make this decision lightly, or without weighing the benefits vs the risks.

I do feel bad for those who feel they will be negatively impacted, but ultimately this is the best decision for the business that is S2 Games. Hopefully, it will ultimately benefit the overall community in the affected regions as well.

Business also has a duty to make the customer feel satisfied with what you buy, and the truth that this desicion not make me feel very satisfied.

[Inuminas]

Not sure I want to follow the troll post above (yay absolutes!) but here is my .02:

At it's heart, S2 Games is a business. A B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S. A business' goal is to make a profit. As harsh as it is to say, although this change will displace some (and certainly inconvenience/bother others), it will ultimately lead to more players of HoN in the affected regions. Expansion, as has been called out, is the end goal.

For those that are calling this false because it segregates, doesn't fit with a globalization of the world, etc. etc. your arguments face a very strong hard fact/data point: After the SEA/CIS changes (that follow the same parameters), player count increased substantially. As it's been called out, the goal here is that local support (and by the way, that means hosting it on their servers too) will encourage expansion more than S2 themselves would be able to. Ultimately, this leads to a bigger playerbase, and (most likely) more profit for S2.

Yes, customers are important. Yes, so is loyalty. I am certain S2 did not make this decision lightly, or without weighing the benefits vs the risks.

I do feel bad for those who feel they will be negatively impacted, but ultimately this is the best decision for the business that is S2 Games. Hopefully, it will ultimately benefit the overall community in the affected regions as well.

Sure, your argument is totally true. But you have to take into consideration, that the previous migration use garena server, who are well place in the game world. But Axeso is not. So i'm so sure the community will expand.
I'm also want the community to expand, but i'm not sure if this is the right direction, specialy in LA.

[Darkon]

Business also has a duty to make the customer feel satisfied with what you buy, and the truth that this desicion not make me feel very satisfied.

You missed the point entirely, unfortunately. The point is that from a business perspective, it makes more sense to encourage broad expansion (through use of local support, community events, contents, etc.) at the risk of displacing a small (albeit vocal) group of customers. You (as one customer), and your level of satisfaction, is important -- it's just not important enough to justify not moving forward with this change. I hate to say it that way, but it's true.

[Purecito]

The point is understood well, but is a shame what is happening.

[ladyhomogaga]

The point is understood well, but is a shame what is happening.

No it's not. I'm so happy I will buy gold coins in show of support.

[Darkon]

Sure, your argument is totally true. But you have to take into consideration, that the previous migration use garena server, who are well place in the game world. But Axeso is not. So i'm so sure the community will expand.
I'm also want the community to expand, but i'm not sure if this is the right direction, specialy in LA.

Sure, that's a valid concern. I guess my response to that would be this: if Axeso is unable to provide quality servers (and therefore a quality experience), the playerbase shouldn't increase enough to justify the change. As such, this would force them to a) fix it and drive expansion as planned or b) don't fix it and face losing the license/client.


I don't think anyone has disputed S2s (legitimate) goal of wanting to expand HoNs playerbase, especially in these regions. If this change doesn't end up being the recipe for success, allow them the opportunity to course-correct as needed.

[zer0aim]

XanderK, please explain to me why am I being forced to play in PORTUGESE speaking servers?
You do realize that Brazil does not belong to Latin America, right?
I will continue speaking in english in these servers because- in case you didnt realize yet-portuguese and spanish are not the same language, not even close...

Also (as everyone who experienced Axeso servers before) they have terrible service and worst lag than to the US, so please explain to me why is this better for us outside Brazil...

I've been around since closed beta and even if you dont give a rats ass I would like to keep playing under the same conditions. I dont have any problems with the "Latin American" (sight) servers, just give me a choice!

With players having the option to choose, 2 things may happen:

1- The experience in the new servers is great! Everyone will keep playing in "LA" servers!
2- These servers sucks, but at least I can play as always in US servers.

I cant see why this cant be done.

Or at least be honest, and just say that this is a great deal for S2, and by contract you have to IP block so that Axeso can have their share.

Please give us an honest answer without the PR bs : )

[Darkon]

The point is understood well, but is a shame what is happening.

I feel you, I'm about to lose access to playing with my own brother (HoN is one of the few ways we really stay connected). Hopefully his (and others') access to an expanded local gaming community will outweigh this in the end.

[SpitFountain]

You missed the point entirely, unfortunately. The point is that from a business perspective, it makes more sense to encourage broad expansion (through use of local support, community events, contents, etc.) at the risk of displacing a small (albeit vocal) group of customers. You (as one customer), and your level of satisfaction, is important -- it's just not important enough to justify not moving forward with this change. I hate to say it that way, but it's true.

So why are we forced to move and not give the chance to stay? So why are the english latin american speakers have to leave? (because this is what its happening, you are kicking us from what we have a right to be in)

I am the person that likes everything on their original state, either if its a movie, song or a game. Have you ever watched a foreign film you love translated to your language? Have you ever heard a song translated to your language? Its horrible, it loses all the sense and it makes it a horrible experience.
Now because just a little bunch of guys who dont know english im supposed to play in spanish servers? with spanish menus, chat messages? etc...

Also, I wouldnt be so pissed if Axeso5 wasnt the garbage they really are.

[Darkon]

So why are we forced to move and not give the chance to stay? So why are the english latin american speakers have to leave? (because this is what its happening, you are kicking us from what we have a right to be in)
>>
I'm confident that, as mentioned above, there are contractual obligations that require IP blocking to ensure axeso has access to the playerbase they are responsible for supporting.

I am the person that likes everything on their original state...Now because just a little bunch of guys who dont know english im supposed to play in spanish servers? with spanish menus, chat messages? etc...
>>
From the OP:
Gamers in both regions will still be able to play the game using an English language option if they choose to do so.

Also, I wouldnt be so pissed if Axeso5 wasnt the garbage they really are.
>>
If they are "garbage" then this parternship won't last, right? So nothing to really worry about longterm.


Responses in quote.

[tYrANtiNkEr]

with this change..bye bye HoN =(

really bad move =S

[K2`Error]

Wow. No answers so far. Lame.

[AceFiend]

Bye bye brazil! Too bad, its blacksmith!

[Xibu]

This is not fair, in dota 2 you can choose the server u want to play, they dont ip block you, ofc brazillians servers suck and i have 400ms and im afraid that will be the same here, only that we will be forced to play in those servers.
The other problem is the language, Latin America =/= brazil, we DO NOT speak the same language.

This is a really bad move if the ip block us, i dont really care if they add brazilian servers, thats cool but pls dont ip block

[zer0aim]

You missed the point entirely, unfortunately. The point is that from a business perspective, it makes more sense to encourage broad expansion (through use of local support, community events, contents, etc.) at the risk of displacing a small (albeit vocal) group of customers. You (as one customer), and your level of satisfaction, is important -- it's just not important enough to justify not moving forward with this change. I hate to say it that way, but it's true.

so, if in the long run we are few who want to keep playing in US servers, why not allow it? you and I already know the answer though.


Also, I wouldnt be so pissed if Axeso5 wasnt the garbage they really are.
>>
If they are "garbage" then this parternship won't last, right? So nothing to really worry about longterm.
even if it didnt work, it could be a year until things get back to normal. In the meantime ppl like me are screwed.


I feel you, I'm about to lose access to playing with my own brother (HoN is one of the few ways we really stay connected). Hopefully his (and others') access to an expanded local gaming community will outweigh this in the end.

Is he a professional gamer? cause if not I dont get it.
If I where your brother I would prefer playing with you rather than having an "expanded local gaming community".

I dont have a problem with LA servers, but give us the option where to play :/

Also is xanderk going to answer some of these questions, or is he into smurfing like everybody in HON these days?

[AceFiend]

For those that don't realize it yet, If you don't lock the servers the Brazilians (atleast the ones complaining before they even tested out the beta and its ping) will continue to come to the US servers and will play there instead and having random Spanish and Portuguese players will still occur.

TL:DR If there is a server option choice no doubt the Brazilians are gonna keep the US servers on up

[TrueViet]

As most of guy know hon is splitting up their server for Latin America and Korea.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=405944

Im very Disappointing of Hon for doing this, Most of you people may think oh that great, Brazilian player are leaving...OH YAAAAAA. Well one of the main reason i like Hon better then LoL is that it a world game, i get to play with people from different country while LoL is mainly Focus on North America.

And People from Latin America and Korea wont be able to play on this S2 server, Which Mean they are Block from logging into this server.

So for the people who is still playing on this server:

More Que Time since alot of people are moving to the new server. (FK LONGER WAITING TIME)
Wont be able to play Against those really pro people in Korea ^^
Less people online

Here is what I think Hon Should have done: Add An South America and Aisa Server on the matchmaking List along with West and East america and Europe. Who agree?

[DarkLynx]

.stewie-areyouretarded.jpg

LA playerbase increases when you create BRAZILIAN ONLY servers, when you create Latin America Servers, you mix Brazilian Portuguese with Spanish and this goes worse than Brazilian Portuguese and English.

If you're trying to expand S2, do it seriously. LevelUp Games can make you grow in Latin America, but if you take a trashy LA company, you'll end up just like PangYa.

[xanderK]

I've been keeping a close eye on this thread and I haven't seen any questions that weren't answered by the OP or by another user. Was there anything I missed?

Again, please be wary of the Forum Rules before posting here. I've said this many times in this thread and I shouldn't have to say it again.

I've been keeping a close eye on this thread and I haven't seen any questions that weren't answered by the OP or by another user. Was there anything I missed?

Again, please be wary of the Forum Rules before posting here. I've said this many times in this thread and I shouldn't have to say it again.

Hey Xander, how would you feel if your favorite game was suddenly IP blocked from the main region and you were forced to find matches in a small area with less population with a less than optimal provider?

[lesLOL]

I've been keeping a close eye on this thread and I haven't seen any questions that weren't answered by the OP or by another user. Was there anything I missed?

Again, please be wary of the Forum Rules before posting here. I've said this many times in this thread and I shouldn't have to say it again.

Why IP BLOCKING?! That's the question!

[fratleyslaye]

+1 to anything that is going to keep less bad players yelling at me in a language i don't understand. It drives me crazy, and then speak english at end of game, by bad mouthing my mom, and puppy...

Not saying I don't have english speaking *******s, but I at least enjoy having the lines of communication between people who can speak/type in english.

[BruteLoop]

Why IP BLOCKING?! That's the question!

"to provide all of you all the best quality of experience"

[RacingGun]

I've been keeping a close eye on this thread and I haven't seen any questions that weren't answered by the OP or by another user. Was there anything I missed?

Again, please be wary of the Forum Rules before posting here. I've said this many times in this thread and I shouldn't have to say it again.

Perhaps it hasn't been asked directly, but just pondered, mused, and wondered out loud by many in this thread: Expansion of servers to new locations, having more regions, and creating local support are all wonderful and good things, both from the perspective of the community and for S2 as a company.

So the question being asked is: In addition to these good things, why are you also limiting people to certain regions? People living on the West Coast of the US aren't prevented from playing on US East or even the EU servers, all of which would give horrific pings (in my opinion). Why can't there be new servers, local support, more regions, and everything else, but also keep the regions open to all players?

[lesLOL]

"to provide all of you all the best quality of experience"

30 min queue?! this is best quality experience?!

[Homeboy`]

Can't wait to play a BR free hon - even if the average solo queue time was 10 mins, it'd still be worth it to me

[Xibu]

I've been keeping a close eye on this thread and I haven't seen any questions that weren't answered by the OP or by another user. Was there anything I missed?

Again, please be wary of the Forum Rules before posting here. I've said this many times in this thread and I shouldn't have to say it again.

We are just letting you know that you have customers that wont be happy with that move, And the question is why you just dont add the SA servers to the list, why block us?

[VeNg`nce]

I have absolutely no problem with longer queues for better games.

[facedown]

I think most people will support the server change. This thread is going to backfire.

[LiAdErC]

Latin american Flags?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PleaseWard]

Oh well, I guess I'll have to pay for a US DNS or a good Proxy/VPN in the upcoming months. I'm Brazilian and I hate playing with other BR's. Also, I like to read/type in english, so I keep learning it.

Or maybe I'll just quit HoN. Afterall, I'm getting random crashes, disconnects and no response from servers really often. Maybe I'll to accept that game-you-can't-say-the-name beta invite, huh...

Oh, another thing, now to S2: I'm glad you gave the Latin America network to a third party, or else you would know how bad our infrastructure is. Otherwise you would have to roll your face on the keyboard once again.

[BruteLoop]

Panama flag plz!

[SpitFountain]

I like the part where they break the news about the server after the 40$ coin promotion.

Good job S2. I see what you did there.

[PleaseWard]

Oh well, if you ever implement the idea of choosing a server, like LA/US e-mail me. Maybe I'll get back to HoN.

I was a S2 fan, but now I hope you wreck your ship.


game-whose-name-cant-be-said and Diablo3 Here I go ;)

[CyFiN]

Can't wait to play a BR free hon - even if the average solo queue time was 10 mins, it'd still be worth it to me

AMEN!

not that I have anything against BR's.