The Future of HoN in Latin America and Korea

[Jhamin_Libre]

The difference between an American who sucks and a Brazillian who sucks is this is a majority english game. You can explain to, criticize, or befriend an english speaking player who sucks as another english speaker. If you try and tell a brazillian speaking player who is bad at this game that they are in fact bad at this game, it will be a neverending spam of gringo ajajaja and hauahuahauahuahauhau.

[Dawnbringer]

The difference between an American who sucks and a Brazillian who sucks is this is a majority english game. You can explain to, criticize, or befriend an english speaking player who sucks as another english speaker. If you try and tell a brazillian speaking player who is bad at this game that they are in fact bad at this game, it will be a neverending spam of gringo ajajaja and hauahuahauahuahauhau.

Actually, if you are talking about english as a first language that isn't true regarding HoN.

[N4CH0]

ffs i waste my money then, how its going to be possible to play just with Latin American players, that sucks... what's the point to block locations.. we are going to be unable to play with some friends cuz this. I think that its time to find another game .... hate when changes like this are taken without the player's opinion.... now international competition its over....

[Lamarka]

Any news about release date?

[QuitBitchin`]

"Partnerships" is another term for lucrative licensing deal.

TBH I truly hate playing with people who only know 3 words in english and all of them are insults, but I'd rather just have the option to choose who i play with on my end. I don't mean having latin america as a selectable region in matchmaking tho (but that would have been a step in the right direction), I mean having the ability to click an option that will prevent me from ever being teamed up with someone from a given region.

Deals are already signed tho. I have to wonder tho, is the only place where a competitive team from SEA and a competitive team from NA are able to play against each other an official tournament?

[buckman]

ok i know a lot of U.S.A player hate brazilians and i dont know if that is the reason that you guys are doing that, but i'm from latin america and i have family in Europe, and friends in the U.S.A, you will ruin my game i can garantee you that i will not play this game anymore, not only me but a lot of other player... you guys can easily give us the choise of server... thumbs up on the region you want to play, like any other server... use your banlist on the player you think are bad, ignore him, kick him... but not making us able to play with any other people from U.S.A and Europe its a bad idea!

[Fred_HUN]

ok i know a lot of U.S.A player hate brazilians and i dont know if that is the reason that you guys are doing that, but i'm from latin america and i have family in Europe, and friends in the U.S.A, you will ruin my game i can garantee you that i will not play this game anymore, not only me but a lot of other player... you guys can easily give us the choise of server... thumbs up on the region you want to play, like any other server... use your banlist on the player you think are bad, ignore him, kick him... but not making us able to play with any other people from U.S.A and Europe its a bad idea!

You know, the banlist is useless...

Edit: When can we expect this region lock? At the moment I got 2 brasilians on my team who troll, and wont concede, nor afk kick me. Their reason is to keep me there to "suffer" or "get a DC %"... I dont want to play with such immature kids..

[Cori]

wow, finally. any word on when this will happen? just remember s2 its only a very small fraction of people of the whole mass of players who are negatively commenting on this thread. in a game where communication is key, "no speka soz" scout auto picks just don't cut it. thanks guys. i was about to quit and now that i've seen this i think i'll stay around to see how the game is with strictly english speaking teammates.

[Bernaaa]

I'm tired of people saying a lot of things about Brazilians, I'm Brazilian and what? I'm far from a pro players, I have bad days, but my last game was ridiculous, a guy (I wont say his nick) just said: "If he is noob, he is brazilian", while a Glacius from enemy team owned our mid FB and guess what? Glacius is Brazilian... I'm tired of people saying things like that without any sense, in the end we lost the game because of a team that wasnt a real team, and the guy just blamed the brazilians, totally pointless and agressive. From this day I really want to play just with Brazilian people, because of a lot of idiots that can't even talk, they just say: "you are wrong because you are brazilian", all the countries have bad players, personally I dont like when people begin to talk in another language that is not english, but I dont blame them for this. If I respect any other in this game I want respect too, without more or less.

[Melrochian]

I understand people from my country (Brazil, not Ireland) are really annoying at online gaming and etc. But it doesnt change the fact that what you're about to do is pure anti-globalization, almost a crime in the 21th century. Me and my friends have been playing this since Beta, and we didnt want to quit, but we are being forced to.

Congratulations S2, you will lose a lot of serious players and gain a lot of stupid flamers

[AlexYs]

ETA on this ?

[Durandal_]

What really appalls me on this is the fact that despite the overwhelming amount of people who are in opposition to this, S2 continues to behave as if this is a wonderful change and we should all be excited for it

[Nospheratu]

What really appalls me on this is the fact that despite the overwhelming amount of people who are in opposition to this, S2 continues to behave as if this is a wonderful change and we should all be excited for it

The thing is that despite some people being in opposition of this and complaining in this thread, there are still many in agreement of this and anxiously awaiting the implementation. Look at the SEA and CIS segregation - it has made the game so much better in those regions, so why wouldn't it be the same in LA?

[HeyYou42]

The thing is that despite some people being in opposition of this and complaining in this thread, there are still many in agreement of this and anxiously awaiting the implementation. Look at the SEA and CIS segregation - it has made the game so much better in those regions, so why wouldn't it be the same in LA?

Because noone wants to play with Latin Americans, not even themselves. Face the facts, that's the only reason any LA players are complaining about this change. It's because they won't be able to grief or troll in portuguese or spanish to us english speakers anymore.

[MrStitch]

What really appalls me on this is the fact that despite the overwhelming amount of people who are in opposition to this, S2 continues to behave as if this is a wonderful change and we should all be excited for it

If i remember right, SEA/CIS had the same reaction with the region lock and look how they are now :) Better than us.

[Durandal_]

The thing is that despite some people being in opposition of this and complaining in this thread, there are still many in agreement of this and anxiously awaiting the implementation. Look at the SEA and CIS segregation - it has made the game so much better in those regions, so why wouldn't it be the same in LA?

While I understand that, what I'm talking about is the fact there are so many people with complaints here, and S2 refuses to address any of them, they more or less just ignored everyone who took issue with it



If i remember right, SEA/CIS had the same reaction with the region lock and look how they are now :smile: Better than us.

I like your avatar


Because noone wants to play with Latin Americans, not even themselves. Face the facts, that's the only reason any LA players are complaining about this change. It's because they won't be able to grief or troll in portuguese or spanish to us english speakers anymore.

If you can't keep your ignorant bigotry to yourself, then go somewhere else

I have two friends who are Latin American, one who doesn't play anymore and one who does, both speak english just fine, are fantastic friends and teammates, and the fact I won't be able to play HoN with them ever again has me very upset

I really wish S2 would just lock the isp of the peeps who are griefers and trolls, who can't speak english worth a damn, and then let the others stick with us, I really do, I don't feel it's fair to punish the exceptions to the rule for Latin Americans, along with the trolls that perpetuate the stereotype

[Ps7cho]

thumbs down

the biggest part of this game is team based causing tons of friends to be made.

life story: i have been living in Paraguay for the last 2 years and have gotten many latin american friends and lots of people hooked on this great game i will be moving back to the states in 2 months and then, as if they were dead? i am sure that there are tons of people who are like this with family and friends getting poned. and wont even know until the block happens because they dont even look at forms because they are too busy ejoing the great game.
i epicly Love HoN and will continue to support S2 as the Ps7cho i am with all intencity but.....
i cant say the same for all my friends who will be dead to me. not that great of a choice..

[VahnCrazy]

I´m brazilian, and i want say: A lot of brazilians are trolls, and yes, they want ruin our games... But i have some friends that want play serious! Some of them know how to speak english... I know, i´m not good, but just on write, because i understand all words of my english team, and sometimes talk to them, when necessary. BUT, HoN have a lot of English trolls too! And this isnt all! All countries have a lot of them!!! So, please, stop say ALL brazilians are trolls... I just want go back to home at night and have fun with all... but in the last weeks, i stressed with the game,not because i lost some games, but because a lot of trolls that made/make all games so boring...

Just to finish my opinion: I think this all is happen because the free players.... Said. Peoples create accounts just to troll and ruin our games...

[AzureAlain]

The thing is that despite some people being in opposition of this and complaining in this thread, there are still many in agreement of this and anxiously awaiting the implementation. Look at the SEA and CIS segregation - it has made the game so much better in those regions, so why wouldn't it be the same in LA?

Because not all of LA benefits from this? South America does, but Mexico dosn't or at least the nort of Mexico dosn't ig the serveres are in miami that is US East and i will get 150-200 ping while in Us West(how i play every single day) i get 60-70 tops, and also my clan is build with people from Canada and the US ;/ so the roster of people i like to play would cut in more tan half

But oh well im just enjoying the game till the ban hammer strucks then ill leave this awesome game and take my clan somewhere else (not because i hate S2 or because i ahte the game but because i play with my clan so if we cnanot play together a game we go to another)

The decision is made from what i can tell ^^ so wathever i say dosn't matter still i love ya S2 WHY DONT YOU LOVE ME BACK!!!!

[VahnCrazy]

Servers for LA in Miami? This will not improve our gameplay(ping)...But this change will be optional, so you can choose between the "normal" servers and LA servers....

[AzureAlain]

amm no they have told that they will force you to change to the LA servers in miami with Axeso 5 you wont be able to play in the International Client anymore so there is no choice there (and no benefits at least for the north of my country only downsides)

[Dominare]

Any update on when we can say goodbye to the BRs?

[ktz0r]

I'm still hoping this will never happen.

[Nospheratu]

Here's an update for all those who wrote here, that "S2 is moving against globalisation" and that "Valve will allow us to play anywhere we want":

CLICK (http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=44694)

Tl;dr: Russians getting their own servers in Dota 2 - preliminary located in Stockholm, Sweden. Read thread and be amazed at the similarities to similar ones in HoN ;)

[Durandal_]

Here's an update for all those who wrote here, that "S2 is moving against globalisation" and that "Valve will allow us to play anywhere we want":

CLICK (http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=44694)

Tl;dr: Russians getting their own servers in Dota 2 - preliminary located in Stockholm, Sweden. Read thread and be amazed at the similarities to similar ones in HoN ;)

All of it was a little bit over my head

[ThorW]

This cannot come sooner in my opinion. As much as I enjoy playing with people of other cultures, I have unfortunately not been able to enjoy a single game with a person hailing from Brazil. I have lost many a game because of Brazillians that do not speak English beyond the ability to say "You bad noob stfu" and I'm fed up with it. Them being region locked should help end the problem of that language barrier and then the only ones left to clean up would be the ones that troll in English.

I really hope this game will be back to the way it was before the free to play model where most people playing were playing to have fun because they had to pay for their game and I believe this is a step in the right direction, no matter how sad it is that this is what it takes.

[BubblleBee]

I´m brazilian, and i want say: A lot of brazilians are trolls, and yes, they want ruin our games... But i have some friends that want play serious! Some of them know how to speak english... I know, i´m not good, but just on write, because i understand all words of my english team, and sometimes talk to them, when necessary. BUT, HoN have a lot of English trolls too! And this isnt all! All countries have a lot of them!!! So, please, stop say ALL brazilians are trolls... I just want go back to home at night and have fun with all... but in the last weeks, i stressed with the game,not because i lost some games, but because a lot of trolls that made/make all games so boring...

Just to finish my opinion: I think this all is happen because the free players.... Said. Peoples create accounts just to troll and ruin our games...

Easy to blame F2P players, but also easy to say: don't blame them. Why? Cause if it wasn't for them, HoN wouldn't be like it is now, probably worse.

[AzureAlain]

Well Korea servers are up...im guessing the banhammer is next for us?

[LiAdErC]

Korea are up we are the next band

[Artspeller]

All of you need to realise something. The world is not perfect, there are bad people everywhere, in every f*****n country. Every 3rd man is a bad person, who does not care about anything else than his life. There are trolls all over the world, once u get this ur life and ur HON play will get better. Just ignore/ban these trolls. The thing with free registration is if S2 catch someone with 1 IP trolling with 2 accouts, they need to forbid him playing the game forever. Thats the truth and thats the only thing which can provide a better game. When the little kids trolling see they cant play, they will just stop. Thats why there are rules in every country. My banlist is full with lots of them, (probably over 500 bans) so make the same and u will not have problems in future.

[dpunk]

If it ends up being like the SEA servers, NA players will still be able to play on the new servers (visa-versa i think as well), but they will need to install a client and new account for each region.

[ArCaNiX]

'Dear' S2:

I'm highly disappointed with this decision, I'm a peruvian guy who has played this game since the very beginning.... now lets remember those awesome days back in closed beta, just a bunch of ppl discovering the game which in my personal opinion was pretty good.. heroes based on DOTA ones plus much better graphics. A few matches a day, a lot of fun ...there were no silver or gold coins and we were told the game was worth 30$ . Eventually open beta came out, more ppl joined and we just had a good time the game was making progress, there was a stats reset but it was all good. After several months I decided as many other players to pay the 30 bucks for the game which I HAD NOT REGRETTED till a month ago , when I was told about axeso5.com

FINALLY the game was out with new stuff, heroes based on dota stopped coming out, which was good eventually that was going to happen. It was a good hook for the players who were looking for a game just like DOTA. After that gold coins came out, which was understandable and fair enough. THEN the worse nightmare for the HON PLAYERS happened : HON became F2P : ohgodwhy: by doing this u doomed the game IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, why ? ... because thx to that all the BRs 'infested' the game, and some other trolls(yea kids who couldnt afford the game before joined to ruin our community). NOW to make my point clear I AM NOT A RACIST or anything related. I've had words WITH BRS before , as a gamer u will have to deal with them from the very beginning. SO my conclusion is that they r the way they r .... yea most of them can be annoying and ruin ur game for sure, BUT the very truth is most of Brazil gaming population r just kids. THEREFORE, u just oppened the HON HOUSE to a bunch of annoying kids to play with us. ENOUGH of BRS talk. LETS NOW take a look to the rest of troll: THE REST OF THE WORLD. IT amazes me how much changed after HON became free. SMURF started to appear, people started behaving like idiots due to coins, stats, nationality and other issues AS U ALL KNOW.

DESPITE ALL THIS CAOS , I continued playing cuz I loved the game MAINLY for two reasons: LEGACY ACC( the excuse to make ppl who had paid for the game before stay) and the other reason is because it was free i could get more friends to play HON since they couldnt afford it before.

EVENTUALLY the HON comunity grew larger but full of griefers.... it became like a habbit....THAT SOME OF US HAD TO DEAL WITH while others JUST JOINED the trolling.
NOWADAYS in EVERY match u play , u know u r going to deal with at least 1 troll in ur team AT LEAST 1. Haters appeared, blaming 'mexicans' , BRS and RUSIANS too.

IN THE END the result seems to be THIS. Which I as a faithful player since CLOSED BETA , Disapprove. I DO understand that HON needs to grow and improve , I DO understand s2 needs to expand the game in global Scale, but right now after I read this thread 'THE FUTURE OF HON in LA and Korea' i can say im pretty much quitting the next second after I get excluded from playing within US and EU servers. AS OTHERS said, I wont be able to play with my foreign friends anymore. To conclude, I must say I always wanted HON tournaments and League in LA or better, but this? At what cost ? WHO r u been listening to S2 ? the haters only ? the decent players ? wut kind of feedback u got from players
that u decided to do this ? ... WELL thats all my opinion. ENJOY the decadence.


PS: I dun always post on forums , but when I do I make sure Its a long post :cool:

[Dominare]

realize that they have ppl just as bad as anyone in the world

Yeah, but at least they understand when you tell them to go fk themselves. Listen, nobody hates ALL BRs, but they do hate playing on American servers and having their teammates speaking in portuguese.

If you brazillians really aren't as terrible at hon as everyone believes, then I really don't get why you're all so butthurt that you'll only be able to play with each other when this goes live. If we're just as bad as you are, then what's the difference?

[Cori]

Cannot WAIT. This is going to be amazing. I know it wont be like it was in the pre-free to play days.. but it will be much better, and that's something I don't think any legacy account owner can deny.

CANT FREAKIN WAIT.


PS. Since Korea for a cool avatar for their release, what can we expect from the LA crowd? Possibly a "troll" avatar for devourer that speaks jibberish while its "feeding" in his ult?

[Wandman]

Yeah, but at least they understand when you tell them to go fk themselves. Listen, nobody hates ALL BRs, but they do hate playing on American servers and having their teammates speaking in portuguese.

If you brazillians really aren't as terrible at hon as everyone believes, then I really don't get why you're all so butthurt that you'll only be able to play with each other when this goes live. If we're just as bad as you are, then what's the difference?

I haven't seen many Brazilians QQing in this thread, most of the butthur comes from peru and argentina and chile and people from spanish speaking countries
Besides, both Spanish speaking and Brazilians will be on the same server, playing against each other


Nothing more needs to be said after this. Go ahead and close thread, lol.

He is peruvian, and my image of them is glacius with doombringer trying to go carry

[Cori]

Perfect example of why people don't want to play with these scrubs. Just finished match #95716780, go check it out. My clan vs a Brazilian clan.

They picked...
Chronos
The Dark Lady
Valk
Corrupted
Armadon

Can you guess what happened and who won?


Watch the replay, it was very fun.

[Groximus]

MAKE IT HAPPEND, GIVE US A DATE, I am from Argentina and i would love to kick brazileans asses lol, i played a 3 vs 3 match whit my brother and some random dude against a Brazilean team they were lvl 20 21 24L and we were 9 8 14. they have played like 10 times more matches that we did and we beat them incredible easly.

Is this proyect still in progress, i would like it to be optional anyway :/

Come on! just release it, ill will make my premade, i don`t give a **** about Trolls. i love how some brazileans think they are great gamers, but Argentina will prevail in the latin servers.

I am tired of the stupid lag and disconection, some time i get huge conection problems whit the US servers.

Anyway... i this going to hapend? i haven`t read any news of this, i anyone had please let me know.

I googled "Axeso5 Heroes of newerth" and i get an error page and no news what so ever: http://www.axeso5.com/games/hon

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[LotharsEdge]

I think this is a good idea. I linked to why on this post here (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?436426-Prejudice-agaisnt-brazilians&p=15213341&viewfull=1#post15213341).

[Antidoto]

and do you know where go to be hosted the new server? MIAMI...same lag same d/c for you!

[Cori]

chances are if you take the time to get a local proxy you're not one of the ones theyre trying to block. that or trolling is your only intention. proxies are usually more laggy than directly connecting.

[Orgamsmatron]

man, is this for real? i´ve played hon since beta, tried other games, got entertained for about a month or two, but i always return to hon cuz its the only one thats never gets boring, and it should be like this for me forever... but with these changes... my work schedule is chaotic, sometimes i log on to the game and enter the brazil chat, that usually has 200+ ppl, and theres like only 15, most afk that left the game open, so when i want to play at this hours, i wont be able cuz there won´t be any1 online? is that it? im gonna have to give up on HoN like i gave up on a lot of other games for a lot less?

[GaLo_]

any news? why just leave the option for the legacy accs?

[Hippie]

So with the announcement that Korea is no longer region locked, does this mean Brazil will never be?

I am a sad panda.

[AzureAlain]

So with the announcement that Korea is no longer region locked, does this mean Brazil will never be?

I am a sad panda.

I hope they do the same with LA :) there are more griefers offending and making fun of BRs and other people from Latin america :) in this forum than BRs and other ever will to people from USA

Tolerance people.... Tolerance

[Nospheratu]

So with the announcement that Korea is no longer region locked, does this mean Brazil will never be?

I am a sad panda.

Agreed; S2, this sucks. Please, if you decide on a plan, then at least have the balls to go through with it! Valve decided to leave Russians free to join other servers if they wish instead of playing on their designated servers; the result was that even more Russians played on the EU servers out of spite. If you do this for LA and Korea, then do it for the CIS players as well and bear the consequences; or man the hell up and do what is necessary for a better gaming expirience! Dont go half-ass on something in between just becouse Valve didn't lock regions yet. Sincerely.

[GaLo_]

someone from the staff?? c'on ppl we need to know D:

[After_Shock]

I officially love S2. Thank you, finally something done about the language barrier. Nothing worse than a team who can't communicate in game that relies so heavily on communication.

Thank you!

[BubblleBee]

Why can't S2 make servers like they have done with US east, US west, Europe and now Australia? What's the problem with that?

[AlleGott]

I think the...

"I'm a Br and I hate playing with Br's" speech that has been spewed around here every other post speaks for it self in so many ways. You are comfirming and validating their is a huge issue with the BR/south american community and how it affects North American players.

My solution would would be to keep the player based merged(same server). But, create a algorithm in matchmaking that seperates these regions from each other, unless they are grouped together in the same group. This way, solo queres don't have to play with or put up with BR's/South Americans, but clans won't be effected and groups of players from different regions queing together won't be affected either. I think this is a nice compromise.

[Anubis2108]

I dont have anything against latin americans (Not anymore). Cause i found this usefull function that make me able to block team chat if nessesary.

Anyway considering hon is facing hard competetion and has a rather low player base compared to the other games. I am happy they do this since it will attract new players. And new players means the game will grow faster. Even though you are seperated by regions i believe the game can spread accross countries this way and later attract more players in other regions.

Want to add, mostly other games are seperated by regions to. Asia , Europe , North america and latin america. It is quite common really and i dont blame them because the people really are very different.

Very good job s2.

[Yeld]

If you're good, no matter if the other player is Brazilian, American, Asian, Russian, Indian, Chilean, Argentine. You will win :p

[Jellis]

You guys should be grateful to s2 for always expanding, the new aussie servers give me a far better ping and basically its more fun playing with people in your own countries as you can relate to each other. Although i do agree that it should be an option at first so the cry babies realise that change isnt always bad.

And to yoyoko, im aussie and dont know the difference between portugese and spanish, do u know the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese? Im pretty sure you'd just say OMG ASIANS!

[Yoyoko]

Jellis, i'm sorry but i LOL'D. that just shows you r ignorant to don't know that Portuguese is like this ''Voce so brasileiro?'' and spanish is like this ''Eres de peru?'' ITS A BIG DIFFERENCE .

And between mandarin and cantonese the only differences i know are that the symbols change a bit but the way to speak it doesnt at all, excuse me if i'm wrong about it.
Also, i would never say ''OMG ASIANS'' i would just stay QUIET like an educated person and play my game and not ruin it for others and don't rage about havin' an Asian/Latino/Viet/American in my team.

[Jellis]

fyi Cantonese and Mandarin don't even have the same accents, i proved my point, if you were educated you would see the greater picture s2 is trying to achieve

btw so what if people choose to be ignorant, if you had half a brain you would have looked up the difference between the languages before typing, you would have seen that you just made a hypocritical fool out of yourself.

if you haven't noticed S2 is likely ignoring your silly comments because what they're doing is a big entrepreneurial step, its innovative and people like you are need to see that it actually benefits you, getting dedicated local servers and the availability of hon in local internet cafe's through partnerships, i hope that this works out for s2 and they are able to also find a way to promote hon in Australia.

Also if you don't know, there are ways around region locks which are very simple, if it impacts your gaming experience that much i suggest people look into it

[antipersonal]

YEA DO IT

[SK3712]

goodbye brazil

Im American and have had many run in's with Braz'z but dont take that away from them as i have many friends from braz and dont want them to go .........

Well, think about. This separation is against all globalization and freedom stuff. What if we choose not to play in those servers? It will lose all the meaning of an online game.

[Nospheratu]

Well, think about. This separation is against all globalization and freedom stuff. What if we choose not to play in those servers? It will lose all the meaning of an online game.

Well think about it. Riot and Valve are doing the same thing right now and still everything remains fine in those games and the company flaming is at a much lower level. Why should S2 be a worse company than Riot and Valve for doing the same thing they do?
Yes, i know that *currently* there is still the option of playing on other servers in both other games, but in LoL it's payable to switch while in Dota 2 it will probably also be locked when the game gets it's final release.

Also as many people could tell you, globalisation doesn't necessary always mean a good thing ;)

[DragonM4n]

I'm from Brazil, and as you guys know, the game dota 2 has servers in Brazil. I had the opportunity to play dota 2 in Brazilians servers and they have the same ping or worse than American servers. Probably will not solve connection problems, because the problem is in the own countries. At least in the Latin countries, most people do not have access to quality internet services, because we are full of companies that do not care about users. I think S2 games will think better this matter and will not go back to an era where there was the Berlin Wall. Or let´s get back to play in lan houses.

I think the word we are looking for is OPTIONAL. :D At last legacy players should be able to choose.

Most people who have issues with "language barrier" (I think "top miss", "bot miss", etc is universal) they will go to the latin servers. I have one question for GMs. On all latin players, how much % are BRs and how much % are from other south america spanish countries? Remember thar BRs will have the spanish barrier, but they can deal with that, same way they can deal with english.

[Wandman]

Finally a date! Well, something like it
http://foro.axeso5.com/hon_brasil/anuncios_oficiais/noticia_hon_chega_em_setembro_199009-Nuevo/

http://foro.axeso5.com/axeso5_hon/anuncios_oficiales/noticia_hon_llega_en_septiembre_199212-Nuevo/

And some more info as well :D

Just hoping they keep their word this time

[rcm_atomsk2]

Well... good side it that i won't play with this prejudiced americans (I know that is from you culture to be that way, but it's anoying to hear people saying that ALL brazilians/latin americans are bad -.- this is not true) , that generalize all latins as "bad players" as if they were all proplayers,
but the bad side is that we won't be able to play with the few respectiful americas/europeans ( my friends ) . -.-

I preffer that i can choose the server, for sure the bad players (at least the most of them) will choose his server to play only, but if not , you can allow just the 1700+ players ...let's say... from Brazil , to choose his server.
filtering that way the bad and pathetic players (I'm from Brazil and I agree that we have a lot of trolls and bad players, but don't generalize please -.- ).

and if we really can't play with the US/Europe players anymore , give us something to make it up for us -.-

[iOwn_]

why axexo5 i hate that server that only wants money also got stupid games like gb or audition

[rcm_atomsk2]

why axexo5 i hate that server that only wants money also got stupid games like gb or audition
Better axexo5 than Level Up Games (LUG) -.-

[YEPMAD]

I'm gonna miss a really close friend of mine..

[Moratzela`]

Fun is over... let the Latin American rage begin

Edit: If there's any way to stay in the US servers (at least for the ones who can speak english), please let me/us know. I really dont wanna be stuck with people I will probably hate :(

[Z3ROCOOL22]

Fun is over... let the Latin American rage begin

Edit: If there's any way to stay in the US servers (at least for the ones who can speak english), please let me/us know. I really dont wanna be stuck with people I will probably hate :(

http://www.bestvpnservice.com/

[The_VOLGA]

Wait wait wait

I am from the Caribbean. Will I then be restricted to only play with Brazillians? Because our first language here is English

[Mr_cone]

im brazilian and i find that an ofensive and racist move from S2 games

[Ragesoft20]

I got this question, I'm from Perú (Latam) and I have a legacy account... Will my account still be legacy on aexxo servers?

[dpunk]

People in latin america will still be able to play on the US servers if they use the HoN international client. In fact to play on the latin american servers players will have to download a new client, just don't play on the new client if you want to continue playing on the US servers.

[InnerSpike]

Wish this had been done months/years ago; or even set up this way to begin with. The language barrier has done nothing but separate people in this game and caused more rage than ever. In a game where community is everything, HoN is the worst by far. I can't go a game without people yelling about conceding and when someone doesn't, they cry for kicking. Then they cry that a hero is overpowered. Then they cry about how S2 isn't listening to them... You're starting to see the cycle here.

And honestly... BRs are generally bad players. That doesn't mean much to the individual, and if you're offended by that statement chances are you're part of the stereotype, but as a group it gives off a bad vibe. You can't come in here claiming that BR players, and Latin America players in general, are just as good. I mean there's a reason why we don't see any good teams come from there in ANY eSport. While on the other hand we see enough Asians in eSports that the stereotype is that they're badass. It's a stereotype. And like most stereotypes, it comes from factual bases. Even if those bases make us feel uncomfortable.

[Rubim]

Wish this had been done months/years ago; or even set up this way to begin with. The language barrier has done nothing but separate people in this game and caused more rage than ever. In a game where community is everything, HoN is the worst by far. I can't go a game without people yelling about conceding and when someone doesn't, they cry for kicking. Then they cry that a hero is overpowered. Then they cry about how S2 isn't listening to them... You're starting to see the cycle here.

And honestly... BRs are generally bad players. That doesn't mean much to the individual, and if you're offended by that statement chances are you're part of the stereotype, but as a group it gives off a bad vibe. You can't come in here claiming that BR players, and Latin America players in general, are just as good. I mean there's a reason why we don't see any good teams come from there in ANY eSport. While on the other hand we see enough Asians in eSports that the stereotype is that they're badass. It's a stereotype. And like most stereotypes, it comes from factual bases. Even if those bases make us feel uncomfortable.

Why are you lying?


I mean there's a reason why we don't see any good teams come from there in ANY eSport
Are you a new gamer by any chance? Let me refresh your memory.

Raphael Camargo (from MIBR aka Made in Brasil) was voted by the COMMUNITY the 2nd best sniper of the decade (in Counter-Stirke)
http://www.hltv.org/news/3462-vote-for-best-awp-of-the-decade

Since you must be lazy and dont usually double check what you say, im gonna highlight some of the best tournaments that MIBR has won:

" Brazil 2005, 1st place CPL World Tour: Chile 2005, 1st place ESWC 2006, 1st place shgOpen 2007, 4th place ESWC 2007, 2nd place GameGune 2007, 2nd place Extreme Masters III LA, 1st place Extreme Masters III America Finals".

[Katieeee]

im brazilian and i find that an ofensive and racist move from S2 games

How so? S2 is simply letting another company host HoN in the SA region so it can be focused on serving the players of that region. Players from Garena's SEA and CIS regions now currently enjoy more localized tourneys and other events (I don't know much about Axeso5 and its tourney hosting abilities though).

[InnerSpike]

Are you a new gamer by any chance? Let me refresh your memory.

Raphael Camargo (from MIBR aka Made in Brasil) was voted by the COMMUNITY the 2nd best sniper of the decade (in Counter-Stirke)
http://www.hltv.org/news/3462-vote-for-best-awp-of-the-decade

Since you must be lazy and dont usually double check what you say, im gonna highlight some of the best tournaments that MIBR has won:

" Brazil 2005, 1st place CPL World Tour: Chile 2005, 1st place ESWC 2006, 1st place shgOpen 2007, 4th place ESWC 2007, 2nd place GameGune 2007, 2nd place Extreme Masters III LA, 1st place Extreme Masters III America Finals".
If that's all you have to offer as a comeback, then I think you have just successfully proven my point. Thank you. You must be pretty biased to think that's enough to make BR a competitive viable country. There's no shame in this. Seriously. Don't get so worked up about it. I haven't insulted your pride, intelligence, or anything that really matters. If this is how worked up you get... Then again: Thank you for proving my point :D

[Neofolk]

How so? S2 is simply letting another company host HoN in the SA region so it can be focused on serving the players of that region. Players from Garena's SEA and CIS regions now currently enjoy more localized tourneys and other events (I don't know much about Axeso5 and its tourney hosting abilities though).

I heard the servers will be in Miami. If so, the ping change will be insignificant (20/30 max?) for someone that plays with 170+. I would only really affect if we could play with less than 100 imo. Because, to be honest, our ping is totally playable.

But, considering the Miami rumor is true, we will be FORCED to play with only bad players. And yes, 99% of brazilians are bad. The only good thing out of this is the qualifier for dreamhon, wich you guys don't need another company to do it, since you already do it all around the globe anyways.

[Rakso]

People in latin america will still be able to play on the US servers if they use the HoN international client. In fact to play on the latin american servers players will have to download a new client, just don't play on the new client if you want to continue playing on the US servers.

Is this true? i just read the first post and it says ppl from latin america wont be able to play on the international servers, any GM said otherwise in another post? Too many replies i cant read them all =P. Ty in advance for your reply.

[Katieeee]

I heard the servers will be in Miami. If so, the ping change will be insignificant (20/30 max?) for someone that plays with 170+. I would only really affect if we could play with less than 100 imo. Because, to be honest, our ping is totally playable.

But, considering the Miami rumor is true, we will be FORCED to play with only bad players. And yes, 99% of brazilians are bad. The only good thing out of this is the qualifier for dreamhon, wich you guys don't need another company to do it, since you already do it all around the globe anyways.

I'm not the biggest fan of the servers being hosted out of region too. Maybe initially, servers will be in Miami, but if enough players from the region play, maybe we'll see ones hosted within the region. But I'm not too familiar with Axeso5 and its operations and why it would go that route.

About Brazilians being bad, I've heard everything from there being a lack of resources available in Portuguese to a different approach to games. I haven't looked into it much.

[innova3]

im looking forward to have my 40 ping game. gg

[FireSlifer]

Players that play in CIS servers had a very high ping (350~700), but we from Latin America can play in USA servers with 100-250 ping.
Why players from EU will still be able to play in USA servers? Even though some of them do not speak english? Why will USA players still be able to play in EU servers? Even though the ping will be extremely high? Also, a lot of players that are in Latin America bought the game thinking of playing not only in Latin America region, but with USA and even EU players (bigger community = better playing).
Seens like a social-blocking, not region lock.

Are the LA clients being entirely localized to our language? Are we going to have a proper customer service in our language? Are servers being placed somewhere to have a significant drop on our latency? No. No. No.
Or are we simply being region blocked? Because it is what it looks like.
S2 is simply kicking us out of their yard. Getting their NA servers rid of the LA players and attending the demands of their locals.
Xenophobia, prejudice.

To make it properly, respectful, my questions at the beginning of this post should be attended in priority.
Otherwise this block is unjustified.

[deathz0r]

They always come down to the bs-language story but surprise surprise EU is not blocked from NA. They just want for their load of "*** you" and rage to be fully understood by everybody. Not saying NA doesn't have a better player base but I've seen a lot of really, really bad NA players and thats a lot coming from me (I'm only 1600)
I also jiggle @ some thoughts going arround that you can miraculously make a player better by raging and yelling at him in english if he fully understands you.

"Seens like a social-blocking, not region lock." <--- spot on.

Also, can we get some official info on the matter? if I don't have to move I probably won't, but if the move will be forced, having a lower ping is highly appealing specially if the end result is < 80.

They said korea would be forced to move/blocked and they aren't. ip blocking is retarded and can be worked arround.

[Snakezoor]

hi, im BR

ps: i like ismaelvera

[Nospheratu]

Btw, before anyone starts threatning that he/she will quit HoN for Dota 2 or LoL becouse S2 is "segregating" them and being "rasistic", i recommend checking out these threads (some great reads inside):

Dota 2 brazilian server thread (http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=27118)

LoL brazilian server thread (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2021956)

If you will check these out, you will find that you're not nearly the only ones thinking like this. Btw, LoL's brazilian servers are also located in Miami (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2383340)... Welcome to the world.

[Rakso]

Btw, before anyone starts threatning that he/she will quit HoN for Dota 2 or LoL becouse S2 is "segregating" them and being "rasistic", i recommend checking out these threads (some great reads inside):

Dota 2 brazilian server thread (http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=27118)

LoL brazilian server thread (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2021956)

If you will check these out, you will find that you're not nearly the only ones thinking like this. Btw, LoL's brazilian servers are also located in Miami (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2383340)... Welcome to the world.

Well but both of those games wont be enforcing the servers on anyone, so if ppl want to, they can play in the international server. No ip block. Thats my only concern, I recived today an email from Axeso5 about moving my account... Also they are advertising that the latin server will have exclusive heroes? WTF?

[maxilakde]

Well but both of those games wont be enforcing the servers on anyone, so if ppl want to, they can play in the international server. No ip block. Thats my only concern, I recived today an email from Axeso5 about moving my account... Also they are advertising that the latin server will have exclusive heroes? WTF?

Yeee, I recived that mail too...

I hope we can still playing in International HON. I don't mind creating a new account on LA Server and try it, but i don't want to stop playing on International Server.
INTERNET is open and free for all, why would you go against that principle limiting our freedom to play this f****ing game wherever we want to? So stupid.

And for all that idiots that cry about our poor gaming and so... that's so so so sooooooooo subjective.

Greetings from Argentina, luv ya all (?)

[InnerSpike]

They always come down to the bs-language story but surprise surprise EU is not blocked from NA.
Probably because there's not a huge influx of EU players playing on American servers like there are of LA players.

They said korea would be forced to move/blocked and they aren't. ip blocking is retarded and can be worked arround.
Actually they are and yes it can be worked around. Except few people would want to with how bad the pings are and how often connections are dropped.

[Dragoon`]

Cool you're expanding your market. Guess what, a lot of us wouldn't trade playing with friends over you making more money. Most of us don't give a **** about e-sports. We aren't going to have a team winning tournaments. We just care about playing, and playing with friends at that.

It doesn't matter what anyone of us says here because you won't change what you're doing. Money is more important as always. We can't even care about HoN growing, because we won't be able to share it with all the new people who will get to experience it.

Yes HoNs market is growing and you will be making more money. However, don't try to make it seem like something we all should be excited about. All you're doing is segregating players and separating friends for the sake of your growing market.

[Sickodic]

Such a bad idea, i play with friends from around the world, and after the smart idea i wont be able to do it again.
the change can only mean money for s2, greed killed the cat, careful.

[Tezlacoil]

so yeah... i have been playing since beta - payed the 30$ for the game b4 it went free and i seriously didnt pay all the $ i have payed in this game to be forcefully relocated to playing with br. nothing against them i just cant understand a word they say because 90% of south america speaks spanish NOT portuguese. So why would S2 chuck in those two together claiming communication is "key" when in reality this change is not helping at all. if anything they should make a spanish server and a separate brazilian server. More over if "communication" is the problem why would they still keep Mexico with USA, given that mexicans 1st language is indeed spanish, and atleast 75% of the people from spanish speaking countries playing this game are fluent in english.
S2 should at least have the decency to not lock the out the people that have been with them from the start and basically kill the game for most south american's that rooted for this game from the start. I can tell right now that at least 50% of the south american's that currently play this game will NOT play at axeso5, moreover if queues right now take at least 5 - 10 minutes on average WITH the south american population playing on medium popularity settings: casual random/blind picks/regular. you can expect even longer queues just to play with people you can "communicate" and you will still trash talk because of their poor gaming skills. This segregation (borderline racism) will kill hon in 2 years top. I am sorry to see S2 make one bad decision after the next, specially when i rooted for this game from the start, but like someone pointed out earlier a contract has been done and there is nothing to do.

[JustIchigo]

ok but.... if i move my account into axeso5, then i will never play with my other friends from the First hon server??
and also, there are too many ppl that call "BR" to anyone that can`t write or talk in english, but remember Latin america is a Continent and not a country... there are too many countries and also too in europe, this is not a game with only brs, esp, mex and british, americans or canadians people.
the move is well for me, or add a servers selections was cool too. hahaha D= i really enjoy the american language and the hillarious way to use the microphone... i will miss that Snif...

[Laramii]

Stop complaining guys, right now you belong to Axeso5 , S2 sold you. And the contract is done, so just deal with it, play the game or just try another thing.

Im very curious how this thing is going to work in Southamerica , the people who play Axeso5 are emos, children and obnoxious people, so good luck.

[Geisterd]

Probably because there's not a huge influx of EU players playing on American servers like there are of LA players.

Probably because LA don't have a "region" at the game, so we have no choice but to play at the NA servers. Just give us the possibility to choice between a LA server and a NA server and the "huge influx" is gone.

[Phage`]

So I won't be able to play with my North American friends?
That's unbelievably ridiculous. I agree that some Latin Americans can be though to play with/against because of our barrier language and "HUEHEUHE" culture but no all of us are like this. Seems to me that some people are paying for others behavior and misconduct.

Couldn't you just make us chose? Force us to pick where to be locked, on NA or SA servers. This way who has a problem speaking english would stick with SA servers and who's fine with the language would prefer to stay at NA servers.

I understand people not wanting to play with most of us from SA but it will kill the game for some, like me.

[deathz0r]

Probably because LA don't have a "region" at the game, so we have no choice but to play at the NA servers. Just give us the possibility to choice between a LA server and a NA server and the "huge influx" is gone.

Very valid point, also, I wouldn't even play on USE if our Region had lower ping but since we have no region and we don't have choice we have to play in USE, brs also do not have a choice in this matter.

Most brazilian and spanish users that don't know english much rather play in their respective areas than go at it with rage wars in engrish, and there is a lot of users like me that can function in english good enough not to be an inpediment for a NA player to play with.

I do not mind the region server, the ip ban stuff is what bothers me a lot, as I see no reason for it. There was also no reason for any korean player to play on US located servers after they got their local servers so the ip ban there wasn't necessary either imho. I've been playing and having fun in this since beta and have met a lot of non-spanish speaking players and my ping to USE revolves arround 100-170 wich is tottaly playable.

[Igorius]

Well, the idea of this region lock is OK and actually it makes sense, LoL did the same and it worked pretty well. However I think it wasnt a good move from S2Games, first of all you cant compare HoN with LoL when it comes to player base, that being said you just shouldnt split the HoN community even more.

About the language barrier, it just doenst make sense, since we dont speak only spanish here(seems the entire world doesnt know the diference between portuguese and spanish). Anyways, SA community cant walk with its own legs, pretty sure about that.. HoN in SA will be dead in few months.

I just have a question. Will i be able to choose between SA and Internacional servers?

[DragonM4n]

Translated from the axeso5 e-mail.

"About migrating accounts

You will need to migrate your account from the international service to the axeso5.com account during commercial launch and it will not be modified. Your characters, items, and achievements will be preserved. Know that the migration of accounts does not imply the migration of the same name, then you must rename it.

The migration of accounts does not include migration from Sub-Accounts (sub-accounts). Users who have Sub-Accounts in international service will be rewarded with 1050 Gold Coins so they can purchase back a new Sub-Account."

Theyr open beta starts september 11.

[SHiRKiT]

If S2Games block me from logging in the game I purchased, that is the North American version, I'll swear I'll sue them, no matter what.


In order to use the service and the Game, you will be required to establish a separate account (your "Account") on S2's centralized account system. When creating these accounts, you may be required to provide S2 with certain personal information, financial information and an unused Authentication Key provided to you by S2. You agree that you will supply accurate information to S2 when requested, and that you will update that information promptly after it changes.

You'll break your own ToS, and I'll sue you. You troll me, I troll you.

I do not agree and refuse to buy any region restricted game, and this wasn't at launch. You are olbigating me a region restriction that didn't exist, and this is outrageous.

[MeSSJoKeR]

This move is just plain bad! I agree with Shirkit, I didn't buy the game to play on a localized SA server, I bought it to play with players from everywhere else.
I can never agree with this, and I won't agree with it. I'm gonna check the legal grounds here and see if a lawsuit is in order, if so, I'm joining my friend up here in suing this company that hasn't made one single good decision in HoN's history.

[BowieFunes]

People threatening with taking legal actions for $30 makes me laugh until i vomit.
Probably taking a taxi to the lawyer's office is gonna cost you more than your original account, lol.

[bedeneto]

People threatening with taking legal actions for $30 makes me laugh until i vomit.
Probably taking a taxi to the lawyer's office is gonna cost you more than your original account, lol.

yeah? okay, think about ALL the $30 accounts bought just from Brazilian players, then take note that at least 30% of those accounts have made at least one gold purchase, starting from another $10, while some others might've bought much, MUCH more. I'm not even considering the rest of SA. A lawsuit that big could ruin S2's reputation. If just a few enter with a lawsuit, thousands will get the benefits.

Just a thought.

[MeSSJoKeR]

yeah? okay, think about ALL the $30 accounts bought just from Brazilian players, then take note that at least 30% of those accounts have made at least one gold purchase, starting from another $10, while some others might've bought much, MUCH more. I'm not even considering the rest of SA. A lawsuit that big could ruin S2's reputation. If just a few enter with a lawsuit, thousands will get the benefits.

Just a thought.

Exactly. And it's not just about how much you pay for something, it's about getting what you paid for. If you go to the supermarket and buy a beer bottle, if you find out it is spoiled will you let it go or will you complain about it with the supermarket owner or the company that makes it?

[Katieeee]

The issue with attempting to sue gaming companies is because of clauses similar to these:


B. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO THE ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF S2.


C. S2 MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Service.


5. Changes to the Terms of Service Agreement, the Game or S2 Services and Servers.

S2 reserves the right, at its sole and absolute discretion, to change, modify, add to, supplement or delete any of the terms and conditions of this Agreement at any time, including without limitation access policies, the availability of any feature of the Game or the Service (including S2 servers), hours of availability, content, data, software or equipment needed to access the Game or the Service, effective with or without prior notice; provided, however, that material changes (as determined in S2's sole and absolute discretion) will be disclosed as follows: S2 will provide you with notification of any such changes through a patch process, or by email, forum posting, postal mail, website posting, pop-up screen, or in-game notice. If any future changes to this Agreement are unacceptable to you or cause you to no longer be in compliance with this Agreement, you must terminate, and immediately stop using, the Game and the Account. Your continued use of the Game following any revision to this Agreement constitutes your complete and irrevocable acceptance of any and all such changes. S2 may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game, including but not limited to adding or subtracting S2 game servers, at any time. S2 may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.



Summary of above - The accounts are not yours, but simply allowed for you to use to play the company's game(s). You have no rights when it comes to what happens with the account(s) or services offered. The company may, at any time, do whatever it wants with the accounts you play on, the services offered, etc. regardless of reason or lack of reason.

So the only way you could really sue and have any hope of being successful is if S2 made any agreement(s) with you allowing you to disregard such sections of the ToS.

But do look for professional advice. I'm not a lawyer. I've only read stories of game companies using their ToS to sue players and none of players successfully doing the reverse.

Edit - And I know it's very unlikely you'll get a lawsuit going, but if you do, please be careful and know what you're doing. If you lose, things are probably gonna suck real hard.

[SolidSnakexD]

would i be able to maintain my Legacy Account benefits?

[MikeMiami]

What u can expect:

* Lost ur nick-name (yes on axeso5 forum I read we ll need rename ours accounts... pffff)
* The axeso5 forum moderators know NOTHING about HON...
* All sub-accounts will be excluded and players will get gold coins for it...
* The translation suck hard, i think axeso take the words and put on google translate... (to activate the translation u need make a manual donwload... pffff)
* On forum the last change log posted is 8 updates delayed and the moderator says the axeso will re-write the chage log(in game) only with the most important changes... WTF??? how they will decide what is important???? i really think the axeso5 moderators dont play HON to decide what is important...
* axeso5 are selling gold coins for HON in latin server before launch the server, tomorrow starts the open beta...
* probably we ll lost our stats, (i dont care about this, but some peoples will...) the axeso5 forum moderator says axeso wont have acess to global server account informations, i think we ll lost our stats and save only our shop itens (alt avatar, announcer etc) based in what i read.

Well, tomorrow start the open beta, Lets see my ping, on american server like 175-195, I hope my ping fall to something like 110-130...
(sorry for my bad english, Im brazilian and IM falling a sleep )

[SHiRKiT]

The issue with attempting to sue gaming companies is because of clauses similar to these:


Summary of above - The accounts are not yours, but simply allowed for you to use to play the company's game(s). You have no rights when it comes to what happens with the account(s) or services offered. The company may, at any time, do whatever it wants with the accounts you play on, the services offered, etc. regardless of reason or lack of reason.

So the only way you could really sue and have any hope of being successful is if S2 made any agreement(s) with you allowing you to disregard such sections of the ToS.

But do look for professional advice. I'm not a lawyer. I've only read stories of game companies using their ToS to sue players and none of players successfully doing the reverse.

Edit - And I know it's very unlikely you'll get a lawsuit going, but if you do, please be careful and know what you're doing. If you lose, things are probably gonna suck real hard.

I don't care about losing, we have here in Brazil a public service just for that, that take something around 2 years to solve problems like that. You have a right for a free lawyer for small problems like that, and unless they change their ToS, they are breaking their own ToS, which in this case is unaceptable. I just think it's a low strike obligate people to migrate. I have more EU friends then US friends, and more US then brazillian friends playing this game. I bought Starcraft 2 without knowing that I would not be able to play the game with other people, when I discovered, I broke the CD and the box, and never played it again. Blizzard games are now history for me, and it seems that S2Games are on the same path.

[Katieeee]

I don't care about losing, we have here in Brazil a public service just for that, that take something around 2 years to solve problems like that. You have a right for a free lawyer for small problems like that, and unless they change their ToS, they are breaking their own ToS, which in this case is unaceptable. I just think it's a low strike obligate people to migrate. I have more EU friends then US friends, and more US then brazillian friends playing this game. I bought Starcraft 2 without knowing that I would not be able to play the game with other people, when I discovered, I broke the CD and the box, and never played it again. Blizzard games are now history for me, and it seems that S2Games are on the same path.

A free lawyer from your country might not be suited for such a case, but it depends on what's allowed up in Kalamazoo, MI, U.S.A.


And please explain how they are breaking their own ToS. <.<

[Dawnbringer]

Just regarding the ToS:

B. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO THE ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF S2.

C. S2 MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Service.

EDIT: If any future changes to this Agreement are unacceptable to you or cause you to no longer be in compliance with this Agreement, you must terminate, and immediately stop using, the Game and the Account. Your continued use of the Game following any revision to this Agreement constitutes your complete and irrevocable acceptance of any and all such changes. S2 may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game, including but not limited to adding or subtracting S2 game servers, at any time. S2 may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.

That may also be relevant.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the move but it seems to be happening regardless so I suppose we must all make do.

[bedeneto]

R.I.P. Heroes of Newerth. It was nice playing you.

[Calamaro]

this is so unfair..
we should be able to chose where to play

[Beedo]

Racism.

[MikeMiami]

Racism.

Do you really know what this word means???

At the end, is just business... There is no segregation...


Money, money, money

I can not blame S2, Hon is living on LOL/dota2 shadow, all of us like HON, but all here know LOL have millions of players and dota2 is coming (winter is coming!!!). S2 is trying improve your marketing and get more players...

[Malcoire]

The thing that dissapoints me the most is their choice of partner. The LA HoN website looks amateurish,their emails look like spam trying to get a hold of your account, the forums look like they're based on a free hosting board, their promotional pictures look like something I could do myself with photoshop, the forums (in spanish) have really really low traffic, and to top it off, the moderators there basically don't answer any questions whatsoever. They just post "OMG SO CLOSE TO RELEASE I'M SO EXCITED AND SO SHOULD YOU (smiley face)". Then you read an announcement where you can be crowned LA HoN champion (Lmao) and go to Sweden to compete for the HON WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE (ROFL most people in that site hasn't even heard about MOBAs T_T). But! All expenses to Sweden are paid, presumably by a nigerian prince of some sort.

What kinda dissapointed me too is that no one got any answers to any questions about the transfer whatsoever, but moderators posted a bunch of times when someone threatened with sueing, and only to make sure it's clear that should they try, they're gonna get legally raped, both by the letter of the law AND past cases.

If the plan is to bring competitive play to SA, then it looks like a half assed plan. If the plan is to get rid of an annoying subpopulation, basically giving it away to the competition and hoping you can get a few extra bucks with this partnership, then I guess whoever said that they were sacrificing the SA players to keep their NA players happy was right.

Unless S2 has an ace up their sleeves that we haven't heard of yet. Slim chance.

[Calamaro]

The thing that dissapoints me the most is their choice of partner. The LA HoN website looks amateurish,their emails look like spam trying to get a hold of your account, the forums look like they're based on a free hosting board, their promotional pictures look like something I could do myself with photoshop, the forums (in spanish) have really really low traffic, and to top it off, the moderators there basically don't answer any questions whatsoever. They just post "OMG SO CLOSE TO RELEASE I'M SO EXCITED AND SO SHOULD YOU (smiley face)". Then you read an announcement where you can be crowned LA HoN champion (Lmao) and go to Sweden to compete for the HON WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE (ROFL most people in that site hasn't even heard about MOBAs T_T). But! All expenses to Sweden are paid, presumably by a nigerian prince of some sort.

What kinda dissapointed me too is that no one got any answers to any questions about the transfer whatsoever, but moderators posted a bunch of times when someone threatened with sueing, and only to make sure it's clear that should they try, they're gonna get legally raped, both by the letter of the law AND past cases.

If the plan is to bring competitive play to SA, then it looks like a half assed plan. If the plan is to get rid of an annoying subpopulation, basically giving it away to the competition and hoping you can get a few extra bucks with this partnership, then I guess whoever said that they were sacrificing the SA players to keep their NA players happy was right.

Unless S2 has an ace up their sleeves that we haven't heard of yet. Slim chance.

agreed

[Nethurs]

This is the professional company that will be hosting Hon Lat


Nice newbie fan design!, really, really cheap forum Design.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1641/nobhon.png



Copy/Paste of the original website of Hon Int


http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5986/honnob2.png




Now this is a professional company, clearly you see hard work here, not lazy work!

Hon Korea

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4246/honkorea.png



Seriously S2, make this noobs work harder with the presentation. When ever I check their website, forums I just have a bad feeling, a voice in my mind tells me "DON'T TRUST THIS NOOBS, RUN IS A TRAP!"


Isn't enough just to host the game, the presentation also matters, every detail. This isn't professional at all.

[MeSSJoKeR]

The issue with attempting to sue gaming companies is because of clauses similar to these:







Summary of above - The accounts are not yours, but simply allowed for you to use to play the company's game(s). You have no rights when it comes to what happens with the account(s) or services offered. The company may, at any time, do whatever it wants with the accounts you play on, the services offered, etc. regardless of reason or lack of reason.

So the only way you could really sue and have any hope of being successful is if S2 made any agreement(s) with you allowing you to disregard such sections of the ToS.

But do look for professional advice. I'm not a lawyer. I've only read stories of game companies using their ToS to sue players and none of players successfully doing the reverse.

Edit - And I know it's very unlikely you'll get a lawsuit going, but if you do, please be careful and know what you're doing. If you lose, things are probably gonna suck real hard.



Just regarding the ToS:

B. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO THE ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF S2.

C. S2 MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Service.

EDIT: If any future changes to this Agreement are unacceptable to you or cause you to no longer be in compliance with this Agreement, you must terminate, and immediately stop using, the Game and the Account. Your continued use of the Game following any revision to this Agreement constitutes your complete and irrevocable acceptance of any and all such changes. S2 may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game, including but not limited to adding or subtracting S2 game servers, at any time. S2 may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.

That may also be relevant.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the move but it seems to be happening regardless so I suppose we must all make do.

ToS' in general say exactly that, but the thing is that some terms might be in direct violation of the law and therefore can be overruled by a judge, as I've seen happen many times here in Brasil (i.e. credit card compannies charging extremely high interests over unpaid debts, even though you agreed to them when you signed the contract, in wich case the judges tend to erase the debt completely and even force the company to pay the person as compensation).

I don't know if the law works the same way up there in the US, but I'm willing to find out.