The Future of HoN in Latin America and Korea

[zer0aim]

I've been keeping a close eye on this thread and I haven't seen any questions that weren't answered by the OP or by another user. Was there anything I missed?

Again, please be wary of the Forum Rules before posting here. I've said this many times in this thread and I shouldn't have to say it again.

Ok, I will try harder this time, quetions in red:


Local Servers: More servers means better connections and experiences for everyone. With localized versions of the game into Spanish, Portuguese, and Korean, we can offer a significantly better gaming experience.

Axeso is based in Brazil. Axeso sucks for countries outside Brazil. Why are people outside Brazil but in Latin America forced to play in Brazil?


Local Support: We are going to be establishing better lines of communication to players in Latin America and Korea by offering native tech support and help desk teams who can keep them playing HoN when it matters most.

Why do you keep calling Brazil servers "latin american"?
They do not belong to Latin America, they speak portuguese. I dont speak portuguese, but I do speak English.
How is this better for me than the US support?
Will they give spaninsh support?
Will they handle the game database or will you still be doing that?


Marketing & E-Sport: The Korean and Latin American competitive gaming scenes are about to find out what Heroes of Newerth is all about. We will be better able to reach out to gamers on a global scale and foster growth in the HoN community. Gamers in both regions can expect localized tournaments and prize pools that will dominate some of the most emergent E-Sport markets in gaming.

How can you experience the "global" competitive scene outside Latin America? will professional players be allowed to play outside Latin American servers? I am a casual player but I would like the same priviledges.

Local Language Support: Let's face it, HoN as a team based game is almost entirely decided by how well a team can communicate and effectively compete. By offering native support for Korean, Spanish, and Portuguese, the HoN experience is going to reach new heights for a lot of people.

Again, its a Brazilian server, and as you might know they have a wider community on their own than latin americans in south america (see the difference?).
In my case I will be forced to play almost every game with people that speak PORTUGUESE.
I dont speak portuguese, but I do speak english.
So, how is this change help me "reach new heights"?


Local Currency Support: Latin Americans in Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and over 20 other countries will be able to use their local currency to improve their HoN experience and in Korea it will be no different.

For me this is not an issue. I was able to buy the game during closed beta, and Im still able to buy coins if I wanted to.
What are the new ways of payment that would allow people without credit cards or paypal to buy coins?



Again, Im not against this iniciative. I just would like the option to keep playing the same way I've playing since beta.

[iLGorde]

I guess it's a good thing to expand horizons and bulding up the market, but locking out Latin America from EU and US I think it's suicidal for you guys. Hope you reconsider this decision, won't be good for anyone.

[TDown]

90% of the br players will leave when dota 2 comes out, why create a server that you know it's doomed to fail.

Edit: And the few loyal customers from Latin America will dump this game if you decide to do this dumb move.

[xanderK]

Hey Xander, how would you feel if your favorite game was suddenly IP blocked from the main region and you were forced to find matches in a small area with less population with a less than optimal provider?

Well this was answered earlier in the thread but personally, I'd be optimistic. :)

As some of the other posters have brought up, there's a ton of positives, which are listed in the OP. Localized support, more marketing in the area and better servers all mean a better experience for you as a player. Remember that these are all things that can be addressed in the betas and beyond. It's common practice to add more servers as the region grows in order to better support the player base.

As far as languages go, the OP states that the client will be available in Spanish, Portuguese AND English for those who want to use it. Add in the potential for a much larger player base (like what happened in SEA) and thus faster queue times and a strong local competitive scene too!

[AsViolator69]

I dont care.

To be honest any third party company is going to manage this game better than S2 games. Its pretty obvious that they are just milking the game for short term profit.

The competitive scene is dead outside of SEA, and if i want to keep playing hon.int, i will just use a proxy. I just hope Axeso5 can do better than S2, so we can get some decent local scene going.

[SpitFountain]

But still, Axeso5 is located in Brazil and now the spanish speakers will be stucked with all the brazilian players.Also, the servers are hosted in Brazil, and are pretty bad for people from other countries. This is a well known fact by people from Axeso5. This makes no sense to me.

[Darkon]

Ok, I will try harder this time, quetions in red:

Again, Im not against this iniciative. I just would like the option to keep playing the same way I've playing since beta.

It won't be possible. To answer the X number of posts about why why why the IP block: Because it's almost certainly necessary to secure the third party support.

[Zuqual]

Im going to be polite so please don't quarantine this.
I did question Xander at "AskS2" but he didn't answer it (yet) and I (as many users of our region) need to know if this is seriously going to happen because, in more than one case people will just Quit and uninstall the game if something like this is going to happen.

Thing is.. We came all this way supporting HoN. Im here since 08-02-2009, I played Beta, supported buying the account before 1.0 and made what I can to stay in game and bring friends to it.
In this years playing I did some good friends, and the 75% of them are from US or other non-latin regions. Clarifying, Im an Argentinean player. Just days ago I joined BF clan and started practicing with members as well.
What Im saying is.. after all this, after making the game free to play, putting high priced avatars, and doing some stuff we didn't have a vote in and we never supported.. you can't just take almost every friend we made and breaking the contact with our clan members in-game. You, S2, know that in a game like this, playing without people you know is almost impossible. There must be a solution to this, you can't just block us from playing with the people we made contact with.
We don't even have lag issues at servers like USE, the response time is lower than 0,3 secs.. Please, listen to your community for once and stop this from happening or make it so players can choose where to play.

I really hope we can get into a solution.

Thanks for you time in advance.

~Zuqual

[TheWarrent]

I'm really glad that this will help resolve the intense language barrier that has been plaguing HoN since F2P went live.

[zer0aim]

It won't be possible. To answer the X number of posts about why why why the IP block: Because it's almost certainly necessary to secure the third party support.

I know that, I just want an "S2 staff member" to tell us this, not you.
Also, my other questions.

[SolarFlare22]

BRs are cool and everything, but this was a long-needed change that is finally arriving.

Sorry OP.

[qazqazqaz]

We already have SEA and CIS regions, so that's pretty common practice.

[Zuqual]

It does not mean it's a good practice.
Murderers are pretty common as well in the world, that doesn't make them good.

Why can't you avoid the "locking" of the region and make it Free to choose, I paid to play the game international, I never expected this to happen. You are taking "our account" away by taking our friends and clan away. They are all we achived and mean more than Stats for us.

[haddon]

I'm not a huge fan of the segregation either, it may help HoN grow a bit in that region since it'll be hosted in local territory, but I think S2 would be doing more harm than good to the players that are already playing this game. SA can play on USW/USE fine, why fix something that isnt broken?
Cancel the SA plans and just do the Korean thing.

[SaintKurt]

Guess its time to move to another game Like Dota2 Or Diablo III, or just back to old-school dota, since we can't play with friends, thats a bad decision .

/quit

[TDown]

Well this was answered earlier in the thread but personally, I'd be optimistic. :)

As some of the other posters have brought up, there's a ton of positives, which are listed in the OP. Localized support, more marketing in the area and better servers all mean a better experience for you as a player. Remember that these are all things that can be addressed in the betas and beyond. It's common practice to add more servers as the region grows in order to better support the player base.

As far as languages go, the OP states that the client will be available in Spanish, Portuguese AND English for those who want to use it. Add in the potential for a much larger player base (like what happened in SEA) and thus faster queue times and a strong local competitive scene too!

No don't start this, you don't know us, Maliken doesn't know how the 1% that is the decent br players feel. All of my ingame friends are either from EU or US, why you ask? because the other 99% of the brazilian community are composed of raging baddies. You think decent brazilian likes playing with fellow brazilians? no we don't. Why? Because they're suposed to be awful, just like there are awful raging american players, we have those too but unfortunately they make up 99% of the community. These brazilians will rage all game and they'll start blaming others, and when they realize they're with fellow brazilians they'll start raging even more hard and using the mic to insult.

So pretty much what you're doing is locking the civilized br players with a bunch of moronic raging kids, it's not going to be a server, it's going to be a warzone full of epic fail and constant trolling/raging.


Next I want to ask, why?

Why are you doing this, there's no reason to localize it br's can find their way inside any game and any server, there's no reason to localize it, everyone is fine why change something no one cares about. Use your funds to hire someone to code those bots asap.

Secondly, it's doomed to fail. Why? Because br players like dota, they don't like moba games in general, they like playing dota because it reminds them of the good old days, they like playing with their rikimaru, zeus, tiny and heroes they're familiar with. The second dota 2 gets released they will all bail and move on to dota2 because that's what they want to play.


So? You're saying everyone from LA would leave either way?

No, the few loyal customers from LA would stay, but if you guys pull this on us we'll bail too, not really hard to move on to another game.


The koreans, why mess with them?

Why lock these beasts in a cage? they're suposed to spread their gosu plays to all world, why cage them in a server that will be so small that no one even complained anything about in this topic?




I like the part where they break the news about the server after the 40$ coin promotion.

Good job S2. I see what you did there.


Now I feel glad they reject my credit lart last weekend when I tried to make a purchase. Got my tera online copy pre-ordered and I'll be moving to another moba sooner or later.



Lastly I'd like to ask a question to all of you there at s2

Lol draws in casual players with colorful looks and friendly gameplay.

D2 draws in nostalgic hardcore players with the brand name 'dota'.

So, why does hon pushes their players away?




That's all, I'll be leeching off another month of your bandwith and I'll hop into Tera next month. See ya'll

[DrLakers]

I am still confused why people in south america dont understand that this is a good thing for everyone... Big deal you won't be able to play with your friend who lives in the USA. BIG DEAL..... this game isn't about making friends around the world to play with. This game is for us PROS that want to buy alt avatars and play a "GAME"

PLEASE READ THIS AND RESPOND WITH A REAL ANSWER...

This game is not World of Warcraft. This is not a social game to where you tell jokes and laugh about things you saw on reddit. This is a MOBA. You join the game, you kill the enemy. This is war. If you want to play games to where you can talk all day to your friends about your fat girlfriend then please do so with other games that are available.

S2 is doing what is best for the game.

What is so hard to understand?

[aeowulf]

Have an international server located in the geographical center of the majority of the playerbase. People that play for social reasons can play there.

Its honestly pretty crappy and frustrating to play a team game with people you cannot communicate with. When you ping, say their hero name and they don't respond to anything, you have no idea if they are new, bad, lagging, or just trolling your team. That is irritating and frankly detracts from the gameplay experience.

I have Asians, Europeans, and South Americans on my friends list, but only because we can speak to each other fluently or get by with a minimum of conversation (I.E: one of us pings for the other, we react to that ping maybe drop a 'TY' or 'GG' here and there).

[Zuqual]

I'm not a huge fan of the segregation either, it may help HoN grow a bit in that region since it'll be hosted in local territory, but I think S2 would be doing more harm than good to the players that are already playing this game. SA can play on USW/USE fine, why fix something that isnt broken?
Cancel the SA plans and just do the Korean thing.

This.

You are not doing anything but harm by locking SA away. If you wanna "add" something to the game, add the servers, but as part of the international HoN game.

[PleaseWard]

I am still confused why people in south america dont understand that this is a good thing for everyone... Big deal you won't be able to play with your friend who lives in the USA. BIG DEAL..... this game isn't about making friends around the world to play with. This game is for us PROS that want to buy alt avatars and play a "GAME"

PLEASE READ THIS AND RESPOND WITH A REAL ANSWER...

This game is not World of Warcraft. This is not a social game to where you tell jokes and laugh about things you saw on reddit. This is a MOBA. You join the game, you kill the enemy. This is war. If you want to play games to where you can talk all day to your friends about your fat girlfriend then please do so with other games that are available.

S2 is doing what is best for the game.

What is so hard to understand?

Friends are a big deal in ANY online game. If you don't think it's true, maybe you are a forever alone.

Having friends means you can group queue, share some laughs, troll the hell out of other players, have fun, argue and maybe even fight IRL.

S2 is limiting this. Did you read earlier pages? Someone won't be able to play with his BROTHER, that's right, HIS ****ING BROTHER. All this because S2 doesn't want to add a server option, they want to separate the game by regions.

[facedown]

This is the worst decision EVER made by s2games for me, as a BRAZILLIAN, there is nothing I would hate more than play only with this kind of players who ruin EVERY SINGLE GAME, SOCIAL NETWORK ETC..




Oh well, I guess I'll have to pay for a US DNS or a good Proxy/VPN in the upcoming months. I'm Brazilian and I hate playing with other BR's. Also, I like to read/type in english, so I keep learning it.



Even Brazilians do not want to play with other Brazilians. Instead they would rather play on US servers with +200 ping. S2 is giving you guys a chance to play with low ping. Take it and rejoice.

[IUGG]

You mentioned people in Latin America and Korea can't access North America server.
but, what if people in North Ameria want to play in Latin America or Korea server?
Is that possible?

[facedown]

S2 is offering you a low ping game for the first time. Enjoy it. At least try it before you try to change it. Funny thing is I doubt I would ever uptick a Brazilian sever, a SA server or even a European server because <40 ms ping makes a big difference in game play. These servers have been asked for over and over from day one. Now they are here not everyone is happy but I suspect the majority is.

[PleaseWard]

Even Brazilians do not want to play with other Brazilians. Instead they would rather play on US servers with +200 ping. S2 is giving you guys a chance to play with low ping. Take it and rejoice.

Ping is not a problem. Of 1000+ games I've played, I can remember only 1 or 2 i had spike/delay problems.

I PERSONALLY don't like playing with BR's. I like to practice my english, it will be important for my future career.

[Avunaos]

AL FIN!

[DrLakers]

you are a retard, every game is for having FUN, playing with friends is part of that fun
cant belive your point of view, i feel sory for you.

Yes the game is about having fun not about queuing up with people from asia, usa, europe and other countries to talk about life.

Heres an example that might better illustrate the concept of a team game...

ME: USA
4TM: USA
Result: We ping, we say things in english, we lose or win. We troll other team and call them trash.

Here is what you are proposing happens....

ME(BLUE): USA
OJ-BRAZIL
TEAL: RUSSIA
YELLOW: MEXICO
PURPLE: ENGLAND

Blue is in MID. Purple is BOT. Top is OJ and TEAL. OJ feeds and doesnt ask for help or say anything for 15 minutes. TEAL doesn't ping or leave lane or help OJ. Bottom PURPLE asks me for help because Yellow is auto attacking... and pushing lane so far up that he can't even harass for a kill. Purple and I gank bottom and help each other out because we understand each other *HERE IT COMES* and we can communicate in our language and try to salvage this horrible game. 15 more minutes go by and we lose game... right before we CC at the 30 minute mark after being thumb down for 15 minutes OJ says in all chat... Team NOOB.

OJ KDR 0-7-1.

Now as you can see from this example... which is what we pros deal with every day is that we can communicate with one member and thats great but guess what I never mentioned to my team mate about how I went on reddit and saw a post from XanderK. We played the game and lost and CC'ed. Thats how you play the game. You don't log on and start a chat session up and talk about the weather in Japan vs California.

Be real.
Be honest.
Thank you.

[Avunaos]

To all the US ragers:
- You don't know what is like to play with 300 ping on US servers and 400 on EU servers.
- Deep inside of you you all want brazilians to get out of the way... so don't lie.
- Stop raging.

Gracias Ese Dos Juegos.

[Driziationz]

well in this case, Latin americans and Koreans dont have much choice since they CANT CHOOSE whether they want to stay and play in the NA/EU region or Move to LA or Korea Region. this is quite different from the last time Garena SEA and CIS opened S2 gave a choice to SEA and CIS players to move their Intl Accounts to Garena SEA and CIS.

[xanderK]

Ok, I will try harder this time, quetions in red:


Local Servers: More servers means better connections and experiences for everyone. With localized versions of the game into Spanish, Portuguese, and Korean, we can offer a significantly better gaming experience.

Axeso is based in Brazil. Axeso sucks for countries outside Brazil. Why are people outside Brazil but in Latin America forced to play in Brazil?


Local Support: We are going to be establishing better lines of communication to players in Latin America and Korea by offering native tech support and help desk teams who can keep them playing HoN when it matters most.

Why do you keep calling Brazil servers "latin american"?
They do not belong to Latin America, they speak portuguese. I dont speak portuguese, but I do speak English.
How is this better for me than the US support?
Will they give spaninsh support?
Will they handle the game database or will you still be doing that?


Marketing & E-Sport: The Korean and Latin American competitive gaming scenes are about to find out what Heroes of Newerth is all about. We will be better able to reach out to gamers on a global scale and foster growth in the HoN community. Gamers in both regions can expect localized tournaments and prize pools that will dominate some of the most emergent E-Sport markets in gaming.

How can you experience the "global" competitive scene outside Latin America? will professional players be allowed to play outside Latin American servers? I am a casual player but I would like the same priviledges.

Local Language Support: Let's face it, HoN as a team based game is almost entirely decided by how well a team can communicate and effectively compete. By offering native support for Korean, Spanish, and Portuguese, the HoN experience is going to reach new heights for a lot of people.

Again, its a Brazilian server, and as you might know they have a wider community on their own than latin americans in south america (see the difference?).
In my case I will be forced to play almost every game with people that speak PORTUGUESE.
I dont speak portuguese, but I do speak english.
So, how is this change help me "reach new heights"?


Local Currency Support: Latin Americans in Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and over 20 other countries will be able to use their local currency to improve their HoN experience and in Korea it will be no different.

For me this is not an issue. I was able to buy the game during closed beta, and Im still able to buy coins if I wanted to.
What are the new ways of payment that would allow people without credit cards or paypal to buy coins?



Again, Im not against this iniciative. I just would like the option to keep playing the same way I've playing since beta.

-Servers will not necessarily be located in Brazil.

-Latin America is just the term being used for the Region, exactly the same as CIS is used for that client even though not every country included is technically part of the CIS.

-Localized support means that they'll have support for whatever languages are needed for the region.

-The game itself is still developed by S2 Games so nothing changes on that front.

- There will be more information about the future of international HoN eSports competitions in the near future.

-You have to remember that the Latin America client is not just Brazil. The full list of countries will be available in the future.

-Unfortunately, I don't have any info about the payment changes for the Latin America and Korea clients.

[IEVITE]

Yes the game is about having fun not about queuing up with people from asia, usa, europe and other countries to talk about life.

Heres an example that might better illustrate the concept of a team game...

ME: USA
4TM: USA
Result: We ping, we say things in english, we lose or win. We troll other team and call them trash.

Here is what you are proposing happens....

ME(BLUE): USA
OJ-BRAZIL
TEAL: RUSSIA
YELLOW: MEXICO
PURPLE: ENGLAND

Blue is in MID. Purple is BOT. Top is OJ and TEAL. OJ feeds and doesnt ask for help or say anything for 15 minutes. TEAL doesn't ping or leave lane or help OJ. Bottom PURPLE asks me for help because Yellow is auto attacking... and pushing lane so far up that he can't even harass for a kill. Purple and I gank bottom and help each other out because we understand each other *HERE IT COMES* and we can communicate in our language and try to salvage this horrible game. 15 more minutes go by and we lose game... right before we CC at the 30 minute mark after being thumb down for 15 minutes OJ says in all chat... Team NOOB.

OJ KDR 0-7-1.

Now as you can see from this example... which is what we pros deal with every day is that we can communicate with one member and thats great but guess what I never mentioned to my team mate about how I went on reddit and saw a post from XanderK. We played the game and lost and CC'ed. Thats how you play the game. You don't log on and start a chat session up and talk about the weather in Japan vs California.

Be real.
Be honest.
Thank you.

?????
that may hap with USA players too, im from argentina and i srsly doubt u understand more the game than i do .
stop talkin about skill lvl, cause that is random, u can get a decent team or not, more likely in -1600mmr games.
try to achieve 1700 and have decents games, do not blame on nationality cause USA gamers sucks too sometimes forever alone guy.-

I know that complaining about the change won't help, since this is what happened with CIS as well. I am completely against it, as ALL my friends are from the US and now I won't be able to play with them.

Aside from that, what about sub-accounts? You split them for CIS, will this happen with LA, too? The reason I got a sub-account is that it was cheaper and purchases are shared, I don't have to buy stuff twice. Buy splitting them you will take that away from me as well, which I really don't appreciate at all.

[K2`Error]

-Servers will not necessarily be located in Brazil.

-Latin America is just the term being used for the Region, exactly the same as CIS is used for that client even though not every country included is technically part of the CIS.

-Localized support means that they'll have support for whatever languages are needed for the region.

-The game itself is still developed by S2 Games so nothing changes on that front.

- There will be more information about the future of international HoN eSports competitions in the near future.

-You have to remember that the Latin America client is not just Brazil. The full list of countries will be available in the future.

-Unfortunately, I don't have any info about the payment changes for the Latin America and Korea clients.

Answering with nothing but we already know, won't change anything.
Just answer what many are asking. It's pretty bad to know that you announced something and you have no answers for all those questions.

And what about forum access? Will I be able to see this forum? This is where I get all my mods from.

[Auron]

I honestly am not affected by this change but I can perfectly understand why it should kick up a fuss.

S2 have taken a wrong turn here, whole point of increasing the community/esports is kind of contradictory when teams are forced to play with only others in there "zone".

Not only this but s2 is basically breaking the current community and connections of US the players who have made many friends from all over the globe in order to try and attract a larger playerbase is specific areas.

The right choice would've been to support the current playerbase whilst adding support for those regions not segregating the current community even more, I think the esport community of HoN is quite utterly finished for the time being whilst games such as LoL is still running strong and even though Dota 2 is still in beta it's got a stronger esport community than HoN.

[shade0o]

Once the game is fully released and no longer in beta, players in Latin America and Korea will no longer be able to play HoN on North American/European Union Servers. The transfer program will allow them to continue playing HoN by transferring all of their prior purchases and account credentials to local servers in their region.
I have mixed feeling about this... region lock in any form is just wrong to me. but will be nice to know i have a team who i can ignore in english

[Inuminas]

By the way, by this anouncment, i see clearly that there is no clue i how to sell to latin markets work.

Does S2 have a latin american sales manager?

[AzureAlain]

Yes the game is about having fun not about queuing up with people from asia, usa, europe and other countries to talk about life.

Heres an example that might better illustrate the concept of a team game...

ME: USA
4TM: USA
Result: We ping, we say things in english, we lose or win. We troll other team and call them trash.

Here is what you are proposing happens....

ME(BLUE): USA
OJ-BRAZIL
TEAL: RUSSIA
YELLOW: MEXICO
PURPLE: ENGLAND

Blue is in MID. Purple is BOT. Top is OJ and TEAL. OJ feeds and doesnt ask for help or say anything for 15 minutes. TEAL doesn't ping or leave lane or help OJ. Bottom PURPLE asks me for help because Yellow is auto attacking... and pushing lane so far up that he can't even harass for a kill. Purple and I gank bottom and help each other out because we understand each other *HERE IT COMES* and we can communicate in our language and try to salvage this horrible game. 15 more minutes go by and we lose game... right before we CC at the 30 minute mark after being thumb down for 15 minutes OJ says in all chat... Team NOOB.

OJ KDR 0-7-1.

Now as you can see from this example... which is what we pros deal with every day is that we can communicate with one member and thats great but guess what I never mentioned to my team mate about how I went on reddit and saw a post from XanderK. We played the game and lost and CC'ed. Thats how you play the game. You don't log on and start a chat session up and talk about the weather in Japan vs California.

Be real.
Be honest.
Thank you.


A mexican
A Canadian
An American
A Philipino
An Australian

this has been one of my many setups since i started playing and you know what? everyone speaks english, im sorry if you had bad experiences because you are not a social person, you probably rage and scream and people mute you, you probably play solo queu, and you know what? thats fine


But dont tell me that this is not a social game, because is just not about talking the same language is knowing the person you are laning with, how they play, how they think BECAUSE ITS A TEAM GAME


I know you are just a troll but still i cant let you made stuff like that Forever alone guy

Be real.
Be honest.
Thank you

[zer0aim]

-Servers will not necessarily be located in Brazil.
necessarily? please be more ambiguous.
Where are the beta servers located?


-The game itself is still developed by S2 Games so nothing changes on that front.
I was asking about the DB.
Is this going to be managed by Axeso5 too? will the player info be available in the forums as always?
Are we still going to be using this forum?
Will it be possible to download replays from US players and viceversa?
- There will be more information about the future of international HoN eSports competitions in the near future.
Ok, you wont answer that question.
But I would love your opinion, do you think that professional Latin american players should be allowed to play against teams from other regions?
Will they be able to practice versus US or Asia teams to test their metagames?


-You have to remember that the Latin America client is not just Brazil. The full list of countries will be available in the future.
I do remember that its not just Brazil. I would LOVE it if this didn't apply to me.
You know brazilian players are a lot, and I would dare say they are and will be the largest number in this new region.
But as I cannot prove that with HON numbers lets just say this, Brazil has aprox. the same population as THE REST of South America.
Add to this central america and you've got your new region.
With these numbers I dare say I will be playing with at least 4 portuguese speaking players out of 10, but enough rant.

Last question, Is the IP block required to secure the third party support?




Thanks,

[Voradorr]

IP Blocking? what is this 1999? S2 Why you don't learn from your competition?

Riot Block IP's? No, they add servers if needed in the region.
Valve Block IP's? No, they add servers if needed in the region and give us the software tools to install our own server.

The only games I think use this kind of restriction are the most abysmal F2P games, seems like S2 want to be part of the big pile.

[Gullivre]

Con: You're no longer going to be able to play with your Mexican and Brazilian friends.

Pro: You're no longer going to have to play with Mexicans and Brazilians.

[Trancemotion]

OMG REALLY S2¿?¿?¿

I think you can get to do the same tournaments, but without blocking regions

Say goodbye to my money S2... cya

[Zuk]

S2 ill not get a single cent from me anymore.

[Sexlexia]

I like this change alot finally ill get to play with people that actually speak english. Not just NOOB/ MID OR FEED.

[Tygro]

I live in mexico, I can speak perfect fluent english, have better stats than most of the guys complaining about having to play with mexicans, brazilians, etc. Mostly play with friends from the united states.. even so, will I never be able to play in a north american server again?


Check a map, Mexico is in north America

[Meier_Link]

Just checked Axeso5 games, lol.

[LiAdErC]

said good bye to my money and a player S2 if u do that

[Coolcollo]

You should see my face when I read that S2 thinks Mexico is not part of North of America

[Akavir]

Before I am region blocked from US servers.

I want to first clarify that, I am not writing this as a complaint or because I "care" about being blocked. If I was unfairly asked to leave a restaurant, I would leave without kicking up a storm, because it shouldn't be me who's worried about staying but rather the establishment. If I leave it will be their loss, not mine, I can always have dinner somewhere else. Now with that clarified let me share my opinion with you as a gamer that is genuinely concerned for a company who's game I enjoyed for a long time:

I undoubtedly believe you are making the wrong choice. Blizzard, Valve, and most other big companies allow the players to gain the "benefits" of local servers and localized service but that is an optional choice. Because it is only reasonable to believe that in today's globalized society people have friends from all over the world who enjoy playing online games together, so "locking" regions should be something that's completely out of the question.

In fact, Blizzard even allows you to play in any region you want, at the cost of buying their game again. I don't know why S2 does not exploit this, charging something like $20 for access to other regions would be a reasonable price and I guarantee a lot of people would use this service.

I will not try to create imaginary facts like most emotionally distressed people (OMGZ S2 U WILL LOSE OVER 80% OF UR PLAYERS LIEK THIS!!) but I will try to tell you about my situation at least:

I live in Latin America, yet I have plenty of friends and family over at the US that I enjoyed playing HoN with. It was almost like a weekly tradition, friday, saturday and sometimes even sunday were HoN nights and we queued together with the sole intention to have fun. This will no longer be possible, because it seems S2 will just NOT shut up and take our money, they don't want it. And that's too bad because our weekly tradition will continue, just somewhere else, DOTA2 is an option. We didn't even LIKE DOTA2, we liked the changes in balance HoN had made, like the removal of the 0:00 rune and the secret shop, but right now it seems like we were forced to join the competition.

Now, Maliken, do you think it's unreasonable to believe that there will be a lot more people with a situation similar to mine? I don't think so, I sincerely believe, from reading replies and hearing other HoN players in my area, that a lot of us will be forced to move to DOTA2 or some other MOBA to play with our friends at the US. Seriously think about the money that will be lost, again I can't tell you for sure that it will be a large amount, but I can tell you it's probably a lot of players and money lost.

Me, my friends and family will unfortunately not be spending our money here any longer because you kicked us out, not because we wanted to. We will not be watching HoN news any longer because this game is no longer relevant to us, but regardless I still wish your game the best of luck and nothing but success.

Now, allow me to answer a few of the possible replies that will no doubt come from immature US players and trolls:

"This is better, we don't want to play with terrible Mexicans like you" - I cannot wait for this change to take effect and for you to realize that terrible players have no nationality, you will still rage and want to break your monitor at the terrible US players you will be paired up with.

"Language barrier is fixed like this" - Hi, I'm Latin American and as you can see I'm writing a large post with minimal English misuses. And, if S2 allowed for region swaps at a price of like $20, only people who knew English would be willing to spend the money.

"I hate Latin Americans, so I don't want you playing with us" - Good for you, now have a cookie and live happy stuck in such a closed mindset.


Yours Sincerely,

-A passionate gamer and INDIE games supporter.

[Mcfancypants]

do they lose access to this forum as well?

[Skylinx]

bad players will be bad, nomatter where they are from and what language they speak

(this was not directed to you OP)

with this HoN community there will always be a group of people you hate because we all behave like irritating pricks sometimes, specialy me so dividing us up into groups wont make a difference in the long run (it can help a little though)

i wish you the best OP, cheers !

i hope this didnt sound like i was trying to break you down, i was trying the exact opposite but im kinda bad at this =]

[Snakezoor]

<- is also going to be region blocked :P

[Nospheratu]

http://www.axeso5.com/games/hon/landing

http://data.whicdn.com/images/23516397/megusta_thumb.jpg

[Wizito]

I'm playing my last games, S2 lock my ip. (my english is not good).

Bye HoN and Welcome Dota2 and Diablo3 :D

[Afterburn]

@ xanderK

I've been playing on SEA HoN ever since we got sold to Garena. CIS followed, now you're doing the same to KR and LA.


Basically, S2 is region locking countries because they want to provide a "better" gaming experience to players.

Garena SEA has no replays.
Garena SEA has no in-game RAP.
Getting straight answers from Garena is near-impossible because the management gives players vague answers.
Servers are crappy. During EVERY Double Matchmaking Silver event, the Matchmaking service went down for quite a while, save for the most recent one.
Garena management even claims that it's S2 that handles the game servers. Is this true or are they passing the blame to you guys?


I'd list more but I only want to make one point: How is this a better gaming experience? I feel bad for the CIS region and now LA and KR are getting thrown away as well. Do you really believe that selling out your playerbase to trashy companies will help growth?

[BruteLoop]

nice, they deleted my post...

im getting sad... i suported s2 since closed beta, always trying to help them. and now this...

what is happening?

time to move my friend, btw all those positives feedback are from us/europe palyers....

[EroticMidget]

Why dont we also get servers for Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Papa New Guinea, etc..
Lets encourage the competitive scene in the Oceania area, besides they are way, waaaaaaaaaay further than South America.

[K4D0]

blizzard is merging NA server with Latin america server
Hon is dividing(?) the servers

Who is right?

Latin america dont have too many players like other regions... LA server will die slowly...

[ElementUser]

do they lose access to this forum as well?

Nope.

Travelled to Malaysia 2 years ago, tried running client & it said to dl HoN Garena while I was there. No problems accessing these forums however.

Their usernames might get deleted though after the official switch

[DrecoAK]

Uhmm... from what i see this is Spanish? How the hell are the Brazilian people that speak Portuguese will get any support? Like my english is flawless... better then a lot of americans since i'm graduated... and now i will not be able to play because the game is going for some spanish comunity...

Bye Bye HoN...

[JustDog]

You think it is a social game and that is why you are low mmr. Some of us PROS are rated 1900 and play with people who know how to play and we don't need to talk about the latest Katy Perry Single. I understand the frustration with people who are leaving us better players. ^ hate soooo muuccchh your cockyness , but it's true, that is a great part of the frustration

[Nighteyes]

You do realize a lot of Korean based players are English speaking citizens who are stationed or work as English teachers in Korea right? So they will no longer be allowed to play with their family members on the US servers.

Why can't you just be smart and ADD the option in the MMR queue server listing for Korea/BR servers? That would make a lot more sense than what you are doing now.

Out of the 900 games I have played I think a max of 10 have been interrupted by non English speaking speakers, and a majority of those are Thai or Philippines. It's really not worth it to fragment the community and you should seriously reconsider this.

Just add the new server options to the MMR queue instead of screwing over a ton of US/AU/EU born citizens.

[xCHURRASx]

What can you expect?



Local Servers: More servers means better connections and experiences for everyone. With localized versions of the game into Spanish, Portuguese, and Korean, we can offer a significantly better gaming experience.
Local Support: We are going to be establishing better lines of communication to players in Latin America and Korea by offering native tech support and help desk teams who can keep them playing HoN when it matters most.
Marketing & E-Sport: The Korean and Latin American competitive gaming scenes are about to find out what Heroes of Newerth is all about. We will be better able to reach out to gamers on a global scale and foster growth in the HoN community. Gamers in both regions can expect localized tournaments and prize pools that will dominate some of the most emergent E-Sport markets in gaming.
Local Language Support: Let's face it, HoN as a team based game is almost entirely decided by how well a team can communicate and effectively compete. By offering native support for Korean, Spanish, and Portuguese, the HoN experience is going to reach new heights for a lot of people.
Local Currency Support: Latin Americans in Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and over 20 other countries will be able to use their local currency to improve their HoN experience and in Korea it will be no different.


Xander, you tell us that the answer for most questions are in the OP... well I tell you, basically you repeat the same idea 3-4 times in only 5 bullet points (notice the use of the word "local" in 4 of the 5 bullet points). I will prove why this does not answer our questions

Basically our main question is... Why is there going to be a IP Restriction?

Answers provided by S2:
-"More servers means better connections and experiences for everyone. With localized versions of the game into Spanish, Portuguese, and Korean, we can offer a significantly better gaming experience."
So why is there going to be a RESTRICTION for the regions? Why not make it as an option when going to enter the matchmaking queue? - Does not answer question.

-"We are going to be establishing better lines of communication to players in Latin America and Korea by offering native tech support and help desk teams who can keep them playing HoN when it matters most."
So the logic is, implement national tech support and ban international gameplay... Does not answer question.

-"The Korean and Latin American competitive gaming scenes are about to find out what Heroes of Newerth is all about. We will be better able to reach out to gamers on a global scale and foster growth in the HoN community. Gamers in both regions can expect localized tournaments and prize pools that will dominate some of the most emergent E-Sport markets in gaming."
Oh cool, the possibility of having tournaments with prize pools in other countries, great idea!. But wait a second, how does this support the idea of Region Restriction? - Does not answer the question.

- "Let's face it, HoN as a team based game is almost entirely decided by how well a team can communicate and effectively compete. By offering native support for Korean, Spanish, and Portuguese, the HoN experience is going to reach new heights for a lot of people."
(Notice that you repeat the idea of native support of the second bullet point, together with the idea of language provided in the first bullet point)
Oh cool, you added more language options for the game! But wait a sec, why don't you just make an update where you add options for languages instead of simply restricting by location? - Does not answer question.

- "Latin Americans in Mexico, Brazil, Peru, and over 20 other countries will be able to use their local currency to improve their HoN experience and in Korea it will be no different."
Pretty obvious that this also doesn't answer why there is a Region restriction instead of a update with an inclusion of options.


So, what I'm trying to say is... Why create a Region Restriction instead of simply implementing options for LA and Korea servers in the matchmaking process, along with language options, for every player indifferent of their geographical location?

[Supine]

As an American living in South Korea, I am extremely disappointed. I won't be able to play with friends from AU, US, or friends in Japan for that matter. Why is this community being further fragmented instead of simply giving people the option of where they want to play? Once this change goes live I will no longer be able to communicate with my teammates and will pretty much have to stop playing.

What nonsense.

[LeeAuEi]

then have a big problem, and who spent money on HoN, will have lost all the money invested in you guys is that right?
much injustice because of half dozen players will be delayed without playing? That and really right? What is it?

much injustice
ashamed of you
I'm not criticizing you, you are right to do so but not fair and I have no other hon and because of these idiots

ADM thinks some more and revise these details

thanks for attention

[PleaseWard]

Before I am region blocked from US servers.

I want to first clarify that, I am not writing this as a complaint or because I "care" about being blocked. If I was unfairly asked to leave a restaurant, I would leave without kicking up a storm, because it shouldn't be me who's worried about staying but rather the establishment. If I leave it will be their loss, not mine, I can always have dinner somewhere else. Now with that clarified let me share my opinion with you as a gamer that is genuinely concerned for a company who's game I enjoyed for a long time:

I undoubtedly believe you are making the wrong choice. Blizzard, Valve, and most other big companies allow the players to gain the "benefits" of local servers and localized service but that is an optional choice. Because it is only reasonable to believe that in today's globalized society people have friends from all over the world who enjoy playing online games together, so "locking" regions should be something that's completely out of the question.

In fact, Blizzard even allows you to play in any region you want, at the cost of buying their game again. I don't know why S2 does not exploit this, charging something like $20 for access to other regions would be a reasonable price and I guarantee a lot of people would use this service.

I will not try to create imaginary facts like most emotionally distressed people (OMGZ S2 U WILL LOSE OVER 80% OF UR PLAYERS LIEK THIS!!) but I will try to tell you about my situation at least:

I live in Latin America, yet I have plenty of friends and family over at the US that I enjoyed playing HoN with. It was almost like a weekly tradition, friday, saturday and sometimes even sunday were HoN nights and we queued together with the sole intention to have fun. This will no longer be possible, because it seems S2 will just NOT shut up and take our money, they don't want it. And that's too bad because our weekly tradition will continue, just somewhere else, DOTA2 is an option. We didn't even LIKE DOTA2, we liked the changes in balance HoN had made, like the removal of the 0:00 rune and the secret shop, but right now it seems like we were forced to join the competition.

Now, Maliken, do you think it's unreasonable to believe that there will be a lot more people with a situation similar to mine? I don't think so, I sincerely believe, from reading replies and hearing other HoN players in my area, that a lot of us will be forced to move to DOTA2 or some other MOBA to play with our friends at the US. Seriously think about the money that will be lost, again I can't tell you for sure that it will be a large amount, but I can tell you it's probably a lot of players and money lost.

Me, my friends and family will unfortunately not be spending our money here any longer because you kicked us out, not because we wanted to. We will not be watching HoN news any longer because this game is no longer relevant to us, but regardless I still wish your game the best of luck and nothing but success.

Now, allow me to answer a few of the possible replies that will no doubt come from immature US players and trolls:

"This is better, we don't want to play with terrible Mexicans like you" - I cannot wait for this change to take effect and for you to realize that terrible players have no nationality, you will still rage and want to break your monitor at the terrible US players you will be paired up with.

"Language barrier is fixed like this" - Hi, I'm Latin American and as you can see I'm writing a large post with minimal English misuses. And, if S2 allowed for region swaps at a price of like $20, only people who knew English would be willing to spend the money.

"I hate Latin Americans, so I don't want you playing with us" - Good for you, now have a cookie and live happy stuck in such a closed mindset.


Yours Sincerely,

-A passionate gamer and INDIE games supporter.

Probably no one will read this. And even if someone from S2 does, they won't give a crap.

S2 is going back in time. Instead of uniting everyone, they are separating, it's exactly the opposite thing they should do.

So, as you said, I'm going to another restaurant. I feel lucky I have a Dota2 beta key. If you don't have one, go to Facebook and keep participating in their contests. Oh, when you are there, don't forget to go to the HoN group and undo the like. Reducing their promo is the best thing you can do right now.

[DrLakers]

Oh God, you never cease to amuse me, thank you. I checked your MMR, its exactly 1500, not even close to 1900. Second, I never asked anyone to criticize you for your behavior (I don't need "friends" to "gang up" on others), if others are doing so they are doing strictly on their own. Thirdly, why would I pay to get the same hero but in a different form? Just because I don't wanna waste my money in such nonsense doesn't mean I can't afford it bro. Finally, if you really were a "PRO" (as you self-proclaimed), you would at least be in a top-tier clan and would appear in Honcast videos of tournaments; "PRO" players at in HoN to win tournaments and consequently money, how much have you won so far?

PS: True "PRO" players don't brag in forum discussions, especially those unrelated to the topic.

You are going off topic. I have won a lot of money and gold coins so far. When Hon Tour comes out I will probably win more. I am sorry that you are not aware that because I post on DrLakers that maybe.... throwing out a crazy idea here... we PRO Players have more then one account? Telling the truth is not bragging. Please stay on topic on why this is not going to affect the good players.

[Alkazar_Lion]

oh, please no =/ it will literaly "kill the game" for all the latin american players

[FIuttershy]

oh, please no =/ it will literaly "kill the game" for all the latin american players

Especially for those with US or EU friends...

[Alkazar_Lion]

Especially for those with US or EU friends...

exactly, we will not be able to play with our us friends.... is stupid we all are part of this community

[Akavir]

***Please Allow Me to Humbly Request that this is not Merged with the News Thread Again***
There are a lot of emotional responses on that 15+ page long thread that I am sure will make any S2 employee stop reading on page 4. And while I am humble enough to admit that maybe my opinion is not one that S2 needs to urgently read - I still spent a lot of time writing this and would like to at least have a shot at getting S2 to read it. Also I like to think that by posting a polite thread, I'll encourage polite discussion.
If I receive a forum penalty for reposting a moved thread, I'll offer an apology and assure you that I meant these forums no harm by doing so.

Before I am region blocked from US servers.

I want to first clarify that, I am not writing this as a complaint or because I "care" about being blocked. If I was unfairly asked to leave a restaurant, I would leave without kicking up a storm, because it shouldn't be me who's worried about staying but rather the establishment. If I leave it will be their loss, not mine, I can always have dinner somewhere else. Now with that clarified let me share my opinion with you as a gamer that is genuinely concerned for a company who's game I enjoyed for a long time:

I undoubtedly believe you are making the wrong choice. Blizzard, Valve, and most other big companies allow the players to gain the "benefits" of local servers and localized service but that is an optional choice. Because it is only reasonable to believe that in today's globalized society people have friends from all over the world who enjoy playing online games together, so "locking" regions should be something that's completely out of the question.

In fact, Blizzard even allows you to play in any region you want, at the cost of buying their game again. I don't know why S2 does not exploit this, charging something like S20 for access to other regions would be a reasonable price and I guarantee a lot of people would use this service.

I will not try to create imaginary facts like most emotionally distressed people (OMGZ S2 U WILL LOSE OVER 80% OF UR PLAYERS LIEK THIS!!) but I will try to tell you about my situation at least:

I live in Latin America, yet I have plenty of friends and family over at the US that I enjoyed playing HoN with. It was almost like a weekly tradition, friday, saturday and sometimes even sunday were HoN nights and we queued together with the sole intention to have fun. This will no longer be possible, because it seems S2 will just NOT shut up and take our money, they don't want it. And that's too bad because our weekly tradition will continue, just somewhere else, DOTA2 is an option. We didn't even LIKE DOTA2, we liked the changes in balance HoN had made, like the removal of the 0:00 rune and the secret shop, but right now it seems like we were forced to join the competition.

Now, Maliken, do you think it's unreasonable to believe that there will be a lot more people with a situation similar to mine? I don't think so, I sincerely believe, from reading replies and hearing other HoN players in my area, that a lot of us will be forced to move to DOTA2 or some other MOBA to play with our friends at the US. Seriously think about the money that will be lost, again I can't tell you for sure that it will be a large amount, but I can tell you it's probably a lot of players and money lost.

Me, my friends and family will unfortunately not be spending our money here any longer because you kicked us out, not because we wanted to. We will not be watching HoN news any longer because this game is no longer relevant to us, but regardless I still wish your game the best of luck and nothing but success.

Now, allow me to answer a few of the possible replies that will no doubt come from immature US players and trolls:

"This is better, we don't want to play with terrible Mexicans like you" - I cannot wait for this change to take effect and for you to realize that terrible players have no nationality, you will still rage and want to break your monitor at the terrible US players you will be paired up with.

"Language barrier is fixed like this" - Hi, I'm Latin American and as you can see I'm writing a large post with minimal English misuses. And, if S2 allowed for region swaps at a price of like S20, only people who knew English would be willing to spend the money.

"I hate Latin Americans, so I don't want you playing with us" - Good for you, now have a cookie and live happy stuck in such a closed mindset.


Yours Sincerely,

-A passionate gamer and INDIE games supporter.

[FIuttershy]

I have DotA2, but I really don't like it. It's too slow paced for me. Honestly I prefer HoN, but I don't know what I'll do once they region lock us.

[RisingVeXx]

srsly? hope this is a april fools joke, SERIOUSLY

[Jehuty]

i love you op

[powerofbr]

that was the nail in the coffin.
i dont wanna play with people from my own country, i had that experience many many times AND I DONT WANT TO PLAY WITH THEM!

if this is true then i will not play hon anymore.

[ArnoldRimmer]

I agree, they could have had "grass roots" support/franchising with making certain areas optional.

You gonna do this to australia next?

[Jutsumaki]

Nice read.
Anyhow you are able to use a proxy, VPN something like that to play HoN on the US.
Simply setup one now before it's too late and you will have an american IP. You can use any free service now and after the regions have been locked get another provider, pay $ 5 for using it monthly, be anonymous on the Internet. I don't think S2 is gonna give a **** no matter how much love you put into this post simply because a few reasons like passing on the support to localized branches making the job of S2 US easier amongst others.
Best of luck.

[C0ldfire]

wow
nicely said.

[Ursuul]

Inb4 a million replies that we never hated brazilians in the first place.

[Shwop]

I think it should be optional. The bads that always blame it on lag or don't speak English would most likely prefer the Latin American servers, while the people that can speak English/have NA friends can still play and communicate on NA servers.

[PleaseWard]

I've read this on the other thread, and it pretty much sums the quality of S2's actions.
Very stupid actions btw.

There is nothing to add to this thread, first post says everything.

[IsmaelVera]

I agree. Most hispanic players don't seem to like it. However, it's better in the long run since you guys will have your own star players, or become ones of your own. In any case, there should be an option to opt for the US servers.
:balp:

[Akavir]

I agree. Most hispanic players don't seem to like it. However, it's better in the long run since you guys will have your own star players, or become ones of your own. In any case, there should be an option to opt for the US servers.
:balp:

Yes I do not deny the benefits of having different regions. However as we both seem to agree it should be optional, because no one wants to be separated from long-distance friends with anything else but pure space.

And as I said, S2 can even exploit this possibility by charging a "region swap fee" or something.

[P4wn2E4]

That was a good read. I wish you and your family the most of luck and fun with another game. Cya.

[JustDog]

I'LL PAY YOU A GIZILLION DOLLARS!!!, I passed the denial stage, then rage , now in sadness mode, only got rage left and im done (acceptance, it's the normal break up process) YOUR MOVE S2!!!

[Slay4Joy]

I've been keeping a close eye on this thread and I haven't seen any questions that weren't answered by the OP or by another user. Was there anything I missed?

Again, please be wary of the Forum Rules before posting here. I've said this many times in this thread and I shouldn't have to say it again.
I wonder is there a possibility to let people a chance to come back to EU/US servers? Or, maybe it's not provided yet, but is it even possible? And if it is, will you bring it to life?

[JustDog]

I wonder is there a possibility to let people a chance to come back to EU/US servers? Or, maybe it's not provided yet, but is it even possible? And if it is, will you bring it to life?

since there is no s2 staff saying it COULD BE POSSIBLE, then the answer is this .............................. (none, cause they won't answer you,or a lot of dots meaning someone just had a heart attack o.O and YOU SHOULD BE CALLING 911 ZOMFG!!!)

[Slay4Joy]

And, btw, people, stop trashtalking, all your empty complaints are just overfilling the thread. Dont repeat that have been said before, better suggest something.
P.S. 40 messages in 2 min? Are you kidding?

[Lyrika]

But what about the people who only play on Macs?

[tsunami70875]

I'd sign this if I can. Best of luck.

[JustDog]

t(and I personally, as well as so many others have had an account for 2 1/2+ years) for so long, and ties have been made between people across the globe, you tell us we're no longer going to get to game with buddies and friends that we've spent the last couple of years playing with? Good God I'm happy as hell I have something else to focus my attention on, and that I have a life outside this game. I'm done.I have always been a shy guy.. never had friends.. never been special.... never had someone to back me up ....except FORR MYY TEEAAAMMM, DONTT KILLL THEEE GAMEEE , LET IT SHINE AT IT'S BRIGHTEST AND GLORIOUS WAY!!! (i do have friends.and im ****ing special.......wait what?....... anyways,... the emotional suspense it's needed to create more drama, the part that i want hon to survive is true thou)

[pedokiko]

Actually, no.

Hon is better than Dota2. But S2 is shitting on its customers, and after these crappy decisions, Hon became worse, finally making Dota2 > Hon.

ye, thats right

[Netinhuu]

if s2 really do that it will be the end of HoN..they are already f***ing the compedetive scene and now wants to do region lock instead a region queing option? all i have to say is, CONGRATULATIONS S2 GAMES, YOU GUYS MADE AN AMAZING GAME AND RUINED IT.

[Lyrika]

Can you guys force Korean HoN crew to develop mac client too? :<

[Good_Apollo]

So, your idea of expanding is to land-lock people and assume that the game is expanding?If there was 50,000 players on when they were merged and now 50k in both regions, that's expansion.

Also, finally.

[CptnUtility]

Though i do agree slightly with these changes, i do not see why they should be altogether locked from the rest of the community, I think if anything, there should just be server choices

[Master_jo]

I have been playing this game since closed beta test and proud of it. I've stuck to it, high and low but this change is borderline offensive. Guess that means that I just wont be able to play HoN with my friends anymore and that all the money and time I've placed on this game will be for naught. I suppose this will just make people play a game that isn't region locked like LoL or DoTA2. Such a shame. BTW S2 Mexico is in North America thank you very much.

[HaydenRei]

I bet half of you crying about this being a bad idea have complained about language barriers or Brs countless times before. Stop crying. The ONLY people that should be complaining are Americans stationed in these effected areas.

[SirVH]

First of all, thank you xanderK for answering our questions. I'd like to point some things:

It's really nice that we'll have servers near us, sometimes it's frustrating to play on lag. It's also nice to have localized support, marketing and etc. But in the other hand, the region block it's like a shoot on the foot.

1st of all: as stated by several people on this topic, we got friends around the world. When we moved from Dota 1 to HoN, one of the things we like most were the ability to play with people all around the world. I used to play Dota a lot and I can't say how much I learned playing with people from another countries.

2nd: players on each region got a way to play the game, a way to express and etc. I'm a brazilian myself, but I hate the way brazilians play this game. Most of them are unorganized, they are too individualist and they don't like to listen. While my english is not perfect, I'm able to communicate and I'm pretty sure there's more people like me, noy only in Brazil but on another non english speaking countries that prefer to play with people from other countries.

After all, I have a few suggestions:

We can have those companies working for HoN, it will be pretty nice to have them, but we don't need to split the networks. You can use the IP location detection to have a different store ingame, with different currency, prices and etc. We already got a different store for legacy and new accounts, so I'm pretty sure that's possible.

Also, most of the people that don't speak english, being brazilians or koreans or spanish speakers, they will probably choose the server nearest them because of the lag. That will fix 99% of the complaints from US players about not being able to communicate due to language barrier, because only people like me that prefer to play with US players will keep queueing on NA servers.

I also have a question: we'll be able to watch replays from different regions?

In conclusion, that's what I have to say: you can have Axeso5 and Ntreev working, we can have a different store, currency, support, but there's no reason to split the network.

[Nullzero]

I think it's a fine idea, except for the exclusivity. Limiting the regions in which players can join games is counter productive. The whole point is to foster a community... not just on the local level, but on the global level.

S2 has been pretty poor at marketting internationally... rather than take the initiative with their IP, and be hands on with it... they are passing it on to established companies... and in the process, they limit themselves in the long run. What happens when they want to change their game in a way that their international partners don't like? What if they want a new revenue model? Nobody has quite figured out the micro-transaction business to an optimal level... so partnering is good short term, but surely it will limit them in the long term.

[sco0t]

Now brazilians will be able to show off their true skills =)

[N3k0]

Why is everyone so concerned about the fact that you won't be able to play on US servers anymore? I mean are you really forced to do this? Does HoN detect if you live in Latin America for example? Don't you have to download the Client first and upgrade your accounts? It's not like you are forced to move to those servers and can never play on other servers again, is it?

[N3k0]

Nice post, but someone explain to me...

Why is everyone so concerned about the fact that you won't be able to play on US servers anymore? I mean are you really forced to do this? Does HoN detect if you live in Latin America for example? Don't you have to download the Client first and upgrade your accounts? It's not like you are forced to move to those servers and can never play on other servers again, is it? I mean this Garena RUS ****, didn't you have to download a special client? And if you use ORG HoN, you can still play on EU servers even if you are RUS, or not?

I don't get this I'm retarded pls explain...if people are really forced to get locked on their region by IP tracking or something, then this is really retarded...10/10 OP


Inb4 a million replies that we never hated brazilians in the first place.

Lold so hard ,cause it's true :D But yeah...of course noone hates BR or RUS, but it's the madness and online annonymity that makes us rage.

[Jeharold]

@s2XanderK I live in S.Korea and have a legacy account, Can you let me know what exactly will happen to my account in the next couple of months and what will happen when I return back to America in November.

Am i going to have to buy coins to play? Will I have to login through a Korean Website which I have to create a username for which I can't because they dont recognize visa card numbers?

P.S I haven't seen any advertising for HoN. If you like I will goto the local PC Rooms and check to see if they have HoN on the machines.

[WaTaNaBe]

Nice post, but someone explain to me...

Why is everyone so concerned about the fact that you won't be able to play on US servers anymore? I mean are you really forced to do this? Does HoN detect if you live in Latin America for example? Don't you have to download the Client first and upgrade your accounts? It's not like you are forced to move to those servers and can never play on other servers again, is it? I mean this Garena RUS ****, didn't you have to download a special client? And if you use ORG HoN, you can still play on EU servers even if you are RUS, or not?

I don't get this I'm retarded pls explain...if people are really forced to get locked on their region by IP tracking or something, then this is really retarded...10/10 OP



Lold so hard ,cause it's true :D But yeah...of course noone hates BR or RUS, but it's the madness and online annonymity that makes us rage.

+ 1 :corr:
Would be nice to hear some answers to these questions.

[Pipin]

***Please Allow Me to Humbly Request that this is not Merged with the News Thread Again***
There are a lot of emotional responses on that 15+ page long thread that I am sure will make any S2 employee stop reading on page 4. And while I am humble enough to admit that maybe my opinion is not one that S2 needs to urgently read - I still spent a lot of time writing this and would like to at least have a shot at getting S2 to read it. Also I like to think that by posting a polite thread, I'll encourage polite discussion.
If I receive a forum penalty for reposting a moved thread, I'll offer an apology and assure you that I meant these forums no harm by doing so.

Before I am region blocked from US servers.

I want to first clarify that, I am not writing this as a complaint or because I "care" about being blocked. If I was unfairly asked to leave a restaurant, I would leave without kicking up a storm, because it shouldn't be me who's worried about staying but rather the establishment. If I leave it will be their loss, not mine, I can always have dinner somewhere else. Now with that clarified let me share my opinion with you as a gamer that is genuinely concerned for a company who's game I enjoyed for a long time:

I undoubtedly believe you are making the wrong choice. Blizzard, Valve, and most other big companies allow the players to gain the "benefits" of local servers and localized service but that is an optional choice. Because it is only reasonable to believe that in today's globalized society people have friends from all over the world who enjoy playing online games together, so "locking" regions should be something that's completely out of the question.

In fact, Blizzard even allows you to play in any region you want, at the cost of buying their game again. I don't know why S2 does not exploit this, charging something like S20 for access to other regions would be a reasonable price and I guarantee a lot of people would use this service.

I will not try to create imaginary facts like most emotionally distressed people (OMGZ S2 U WILL LOSE OVER 80% OF UR PLAYERS LIEK THIS!!) but I will try to tell you about my situation at least:

I live in Latin America, yet I have plenty of friends and family over at the US that I enjoyed playing HoN with. It was almost like a weekly tradition, friday, saturday and sometimes even sunday were HoN nights and we queued together with the sole intention to have fun. This will no longer be possible, because it seems S2 will just NOT shut up and take our money, they don't want it. And that's too bad because our weekly tradition will continue, just somewhere else, DOTA2 is an option. We didn't even LIKE DOTA2, we liked the changes in balance HoN had made, like the removal of the 0:00 rune and the secret shop, but right now it seems like we were forced to join the competition.

Now, Maliken, do you think it's unreasonable to believe that there will be a lot more people with a situation similar to mine? I don't think so, I sincerely believe, from reading replies and hearing other HoN players in my area, that a lot of us will be forced to move to DOTA2 or some other MOBA to play with our friends at the US. Seriously think about the money that will be lost, again I can't tell you for sure that it will be a large amount, but I can tell you it's probably a lot of players and money lost.

Me, my friends and family will unfortunately not be spending our money here any longer because you kicked us out, not because we wanted to. We will not be watching HoN news any longer because this game is no longer relevant to us, but regardless I still wish your game the best of luck and nothing but success.

Now, allow me to answer a few of the possible replies that will no doubt come from immature US players and trolls:

"This is better, we don't want to play with terrible Mexicans like you" - I cannot wait for this change to take effect and for you to realize that terrible players have no nationality, you will still rage and want to break your monitor at the terrible US players you will be paired up with.

"Language barrier is fixed like this" - Hi, I'm Latin American and as you can see I'm writing a large post with minimal English misuses. And, if S2 allowed for region swaps at a price of like S20, only people who knew English would be willing to spend the money.

"I hate Latin Americans, so I don't want you playing with us" - Good for you, now have a cookie and live happy stuck in such a closed mindset.


Yours Sincerely,

-A passionate gamer and INDIE games supporter.


Well apparently you have not checked out the garena hon... they have a completely different cash shop, you cant merge this so easy. So yea, still locking players out off regions is retarded.

[Fruit_Goose]

ahh who cares
just use proxy,just like half of CIS community does

[Jonasies]

How come Europeans and US can and play with eachother then?

They shouldnt restrict people to only be able play on their respective regional servers. That would just screw up any form of global competitive gaming. Imo they should be able to play on US servers if they want but my guess is that most of them doesnt want that since the ping is better on ''local'' servers. Im from EU and I have never played on a US server, but I understand why people would want to play over diffrent regions.

S2 just keeps shooting themselves in the foot.

[Wrathmont]

While i symphatize with op, i recall reading pretty much the exact same threads both when sea and cis were locked out.

Its a **** move by S2 they make $$$ by selling you out, but on their end they have to make sure their partners gets all the players. However its also understandable since hon grew far bigger than the company was ready to handle.

Since both sea and cis seem to be doing well nothing you will say on these forums will change anything. That being said region checks are only at login, not when playing, so circumventing this should not be that hard and should not affect ping even with trash vpn.

[sqnk]

Nice post, but someone explain to me...

Why is everyone so concerned about the fact that you won't be able to play on US servers anymore? I mean are you really forced to do this? Does HoN detect if you live in Latin America for example? Don't you have to download the Client first and upgrade your accounts? It's not like you are forced to move to those servers and can never play on other servers again, is it? I mean this Garena RUS ****, didn't you have to download a special client? And if you use ORG HoN, you can still play on EU servers even if you are RUS, or not?

I don't get this I'm retarded pls explain...if people are really forced to get locked on their region by IP tracking or something, then this is really retarded...10/10 OP



Lold so hard ,cause it's true :D But yeah...of course noone hates BR or RUS, but it's the madness and online annonymity that makes us rage.

They lock you out by looking at your ip, so you cant access the acount with out an ip that fits the region.

[Silv3erTwee]

giving some kid of fee to players who still want to play on us/european servers would be the best solution(by me)

[ProjectedSou]

I've run in my head what could be causing S2 to want to lock out certain regions and the best Ideas I have is this.

1. Latency
2. (and this is from personal experience when I was in Atlanta and Orlando) a lot of Americans like nobody but other Americans, I mean no offence, but it becomes obvious when we had to force an accent to get help.

[Wrathmont]

I've run in my head what could be causing S2 to want to lock out certain regions and the best Ideas I have is this.

1. Latency
2. (and this is from personal experience when I was in Atlanta and Orlando) a lot of Americans like nobody but other Americans, I mean no offence, but it becomes obvious when we had to force an accent to get help.

S2 gets a lot of $$$ by selling the rights to manage the game to a partner. Pretty much all income from those players now goes to the partner. S2 also saves a lot of $$$ for not having to maintain servers/support for those regions anymore.

In order to make a deal like this the partner will demand that they get all the players in the region so they can maximise their profit. The only way to ensure this is by regional ip blocking.

Basically for those regions where the expenses outweigh the income, its profitable for S2 to sell the rights to someone who thinks they can make money on the game. Remember that S2 went in over their head with hon, they certainly didnt expect it to be so big, so alleviating some of the load is quite important for them.

Although this is my speculation, im pretty sure its something like this that happens.

[Nospheratu]

I've run in my head what could be causing S2 to want to lock out certain regions and the best Ideas I have is this.

1. Latency
2. (and this is from personal experience when I was in Atlanta and Orlando) a lot of Americans like nobody but other Americans, I mean no offence, but it becomes obvious when we had to force an accent to get help.

Judging from the majority of the replies i'm inclined to believe that S2 also correctly assume that sometimes people in general have to be forced in to certain things for their own good and for the good of all the others.

Let's say that they wouldn't IP-lock russian players either. Since - like many Brazilians - most of them don't want to play with their fellow countrymen for all the reasons that make others mad as well, even after the move to Garena probably most of them would continue to play on EU and continue to destroy the game for everybody else.

By region-locking S2 forced them to expirience the full brunt of their gameplay, which in turn probably made at least some of them spend some time and thought on improving/changing their gameplay.

Same thing here: do you really think that without a region lock most of the Brazilians would stay on brazilian servers? No, about 90% would continue to play on US servers, which in turn would continue to frustrate US players and propagate the current situation and bring the game down.

It's kind of like forcibly pushing a puppy's nose in to his poo when you house-train him; it's not nice, it's not friendly, the puppy will squirm and whine when you do it; but in the long run it is absolutely necessary for making life better for all, including the puppy.

[HANOWA]

how do you use proxy?!?!?!, hotspot is waaaaaaay too ****ing slow I am using a proxy tunnel, so just login and off proxy. They will block you in moment when you jare just trying to login in game. So you will can play in matchmaking without proxy.

[rAYNWR]

S2 why dont you make a survey AS ALWAYS before blocking your CUSTORMERS to play in the region that they WANT IT.
This is a really bad idea you will destroy the game...

[ProjectedSou]

Judging from the majority of the replies i'm inclined to believe that S2 also correctly assume that sometimes people in general have to be forced in to certain things for their own good and for the good of all the others.

Let's say that they wouldn't IP-lock russian players either. Since - like many Brazilians - most of them don't want to play with their fellow countrymen for all the reasons that make others mad as well, even after the move to Garena probably most of them would continue to play on EU and continue to destroy the game for everybody else.

By region-locking S2 forced them to expirience the full brunt of their gameplay, which in turn probably made at least some of them spend some time and thought on improving/changing their gameplay.

Same thing here: do you really think that without a region lock most of the Brazilians would stay on brazilian servers? No, about 90% would continue to play on US servers, which in turn would continue to frustrate US players and propagate the current situation and bring the game down.

It's kind of like forcibly pushing a puppy's nose in to his poo when you house-train him; it's not nice, it's not friendly, the puppy will squirm and whine when you do it; but in the long run it is absolutely necessary for making life better for all, including the puppy.

I can see where you coming from, and understand, I'm not sure how it will work out for them, but I'm sure people where as OP says friends are regions apart and now cannot play that is like a child not allowed to play with a child outside the community. The child will always find a way esp if they know the people outside the community. Unfortunately most people including myself have mates to play with from several countries and continents

[irierte28]

If this is true then I will not play hon anymore :'(

Well this was answered earlier in the thread but personally, I'd be optimistic. :)

As some of the other posters have brought up, there's a ton of positives, which are listed in the OP. Localized support, more marketing in the area and better servers all mean a better experience for you as a player. Remember that these are all things that can be addressed in the betas and beyond. It's common practice to add more servers as the region grows in order to better support the player base.

As far as languages go, the OP states that the client will be available in Spanish, Portuguese AND English for those who want to use it. Add in the potential for a much larger player base (like what happened in SEA) and thus faster queue times and a strong local competitive scene too!

It's not answered, Xander, and you know it...

The negatives outweight the positives, I've not had an issue paying for coins (Which I recently requested a refund for, thank you for at least giving me THAT back.)

I also have no issue with english as a language, which as you can see, I can write much better than most HoN AMERICAN/CANADIAN players I've found.

Also, there's a lot of spanish speakers in the US, BTW, people that can't speak a single word in english even.

Also, SEA might have grown on their own little area, but Russia had the completely opposite effect, and knowing the quality of Axeso5 service, we're going to get about 200-400ms pings to servers that are closer than the US ones where I get around 150ms ping.

Overall, I don't see the improvement AT ALL.

[Zuk]

Im thinking that I've wasted my money and my time on this game.

[rAYNWR]

I am so disappoint with S2, Most of gamers play e-games to get fun, to forget troubles,to feel freedom this means to have their own ideas, choices and friends.thats why we spent time playing hon, we dont play hon to get force to play with people that we dont want to, to be in communities that we dont want to be part of them.
At least you should have to do a survey, you cant treat us like that ,and put us at the same bag If we dont want to.


Ps: Sorry for my bad english

[K2`Error]

Actually, no.

Hon is better than Dota2. But S2 is shitting on its customers, and after these crappy decisions, Hon became worse, finally making Dota2 > Hon.

^ This

[zer0aim]

Why is everyone so concerned about the fact that you won't be able to play on US servers anymore? I mean are you really forced to do this? Does HoN detect if you live in Latin America for example? Don't you have to download the Client first and upgrade your accounts? It's not like you are forced to move to those servers and can never play on other servers again, is it?


Well, we are being forced to play only in LA servers (they will block access via IP).

So yes, thats why we are not happy with these new servers...

[CipherGalm1]

The region to be played should be free, the brazilians who only could speak portuguese play in latin-american server, i don't wanna play only with them, if s2 lock me with others brazilians only... Dota 2 here i come(or even LoL depends on the situation)!!!
And What going to happen to friends that i play with? They where in USA and EUR... S2 pls don't do that.

[SirVH]

Same thing here: do you really think that without a region lock most of the Brazilians would stay on brazilian servers? No, about 90% would continue to play on US servers, which in turn would continue to frustrate US players and propagate the current situation and bring the game down.

90% would play on brazilian servers simply because of the ping. Our best connections gets 150ms to US servers, while average gets 200ms.

You won't do any good forcing people to do something, that's all I have to say. History already proved that on every single aspect.

And the funny part, is when I think about my other favorite type of game - fighting games - we would be so happy if we had any way to play against people on other parts of the world, but due to the nature of fighting games we can't. On MOBA we can and then, there comes S2 games with that action.

[SpitFountain]

I've been checking the Axeso5 forums and i can see a lot of hack threads, bad custom support, login not working, people complaining about being robbed of their accounts and a lot of "kids events". Thanks S2 for making me join a community like this. Ill rather have trolls than kids.

Also i played 2 games of HoN and 2 of DotA2 yesterday. DotA2 sucks, but im forced to play it now.

[Zuqual]

Remember, the reasons for these changes are found in the OP. They are not related to player skill or whether they speak a certain language. It's about improving their HoN experience and growing the scene in those areas. More HoN players is nothing but a good thing!

Again, please keep the Forum Rules in mind while posting here. There are many posts that are being removed for violating the rules. Disagreeing is fine but inappropriate language, trolling, spamming or defamation is not.


Do you guys srsly think that anyone around here in Argentina never heard of HoN?
EVERYONE here, even in Buenos Aires, the city that has the bigger number of people by m2 and population around Latin America knows about HoN, DotA / Dota2, LoL.
EVERYONE already made their choise about what to play and they won't change it just because you put a server around here, since that would not change anything.
Same stuff happens in Peru and Brazil. The rest of the countries around, like Bolivia, Venezuela, barely have players who actually play a MMORPG but that also know about HoN. You are LATE if you wanna try to do some propaganda around here.
Stop this "segregation" because it will be worse than you could ever imagine for you, and because we "latin americans" HATE when someone do this kind of stuff to our people, so don't you even think you will get anything good from this.

As well you could still add the server and add the option for players who already are in this servers to keep playing in them. What you are trying to do have no meaning at all more than blocking players who haven't done anything bad and had supported you all this way. Im tired of repeating this: WE DO NOT HAVE LAG ISSUES.

You should try to know your customers better before taking decisions.

[Yurixy]

Another fail move by s2
While blizzard are merging the servers into a global one, s2 is separating servers all across the globe. I don't even need to go into details to see how much fail this will be.

[Rith`]

lol........................................
i'll never play hon again if that happens.. too bad,but i'm not gonna be stuck with lots of brazilians if i dont even lag in US and EU servers
gogo dota 2,its the only way now..

[Wootshi]

Greeting from former HoN player from Ukraine. Seen that coming.

[Smoshy]

Only option now is Dota 2...
Really s2games?? Why??
If u want people to leave hon, you are doing it right.

[Oseven]

Just another company using a xenophobic decision. Am I in 2012?
Some Americans still think Brazilians are from Blanka (Spanish word for branco in Brazilian portuguese) country.
DOTA 2 its winning another one, they got a latin america server without separate latino americans from "US/EU".
Bad decision (the last one was the early access).

[The_Dalek]

Good bye hon

[ilano]

They wanna grow this? Really?
Bad decision, bad move..
Mercenaries who do not think the whole community.

seeya

[Spomo]

WRONG, you are all looking at this from the wrong perspective.

STOP saying let the latin america people choose, then you are giving no one else the option. GIVE US ALL THE OPTION.

Let us pick which regions are in our queue. so then, if you are in latin america you can choose to queue with americans who choose to also play with latin americans. Then if we don't want to queue with latin americans, we don't have to, but if we want to, we can.

[miesty]

Completely disagree with region locking.

[JhonRF]

Goodbye HoN.

[Nagari]

I play a lot of games, but i keep coming back to HoN. I must say i never had a game as HoN. Its so fantastic that im contant trilled with it. But to know about this ip block is just sad.

I cant belive im thinking to stop playing the game after so much time and investment. Really sad and im sorry to let this all out here.


You guys from S2 made i huge step to make this game international. Going ip block is just going backwards.

And my deep regards to the falling community

[Anizer]

Yes S2! Server in korea are needed badly and farewell brazillians!

[AmunRamen]

No Latin americans are happy from this, just people with bad experiences with Latin Americans.

You must be talking about 90% of the HoN community? :)

[BigBadLion]

Worst idea ever. I want to stay in North American servers because I don't play with local players. The region lock feature should be optional for those who decide to xfer their accounts.

[BigBadLion]

Well this was answered earlier in the thread but personally, I'd be optimistic. :)

As some of the other posters have brought up, there's a ton of positives, which are listed in the OP. Localized support, more marketing in the area and better servers all mean a better experience for you as a player. Remember that these are all things that can be addressed in the betas and beyond. It's common practice to add more servers as the region grows in order to better support the player base.

As far as languages go, the OP states that the client will be available in Spanish, Portuguese AND English for those who want to use it. Add in the potential for a much larger player base (like what happened in SEA) and thus faster queue times and a strong local competitive scene too!

I think you don't get the point of his comment.

80% of the times I don't play with Latin Americans and I've paid a lot of cash in this game to just get IP Blocked by you when I WON'T enjoy my time in there, I'd rather have a delay that I'm used to and play with North Americans than be forced to play with a lot of people who barely understands the game and that are not my friends. That's why I have a NA' SC2 copy and I play in NA servers in WoW, since most of my friends are there.

I understand there are people who can't write anything in english and probably should play there since the game will be in their language (and probably those will be the first ones to move out anyway).

I believe this should be optional, make us choose if we want to leave or stay. Heck, I don't know what will happen to my clan as well, considering I'm the leader.

[LooLoo]

Been waiting for this for years. >|

[JustDog]

the only ones who are happy are the one who hate latin american people..... and the rest is just mad cuz you are breaking the whole point of online gaming...which is playing with other people in the world.... yes , some of us don't speak english...but I DO!!, imma go ahead and just suggest what have already been suggested......

SERVERS SHOULD BE OPTIONAL

So then non-english speakers can play in la servers , and the rest of us can chose whether play or not in na/eu servers.....the answer of that uncertainty is responded by the fact i did this post for a reason..... come on s2...PLZ......... COOMEEE OONNN!!!

[SpitFountain]

I dont see the point on trying to increase the competitive gaming on HoN when you lock regions. Specially when all the top teams are from EU and NA.

[DemonicRuins]

OMG!! S2 I LOVE YOU!! Well BRs I can't say it was an honor playing with yall... Have fun playing with your own people speaking your language...

[Nemesis10549]

"players in Latin America and Korea will no longer be able to play HoN on North American/European Union Servers. " that is almost like censure, i have a lot of friends on these regions and i do not want to stop playing with them, i really disapprove this measure... if someone from S2 Staff could awnser that please

Exactly, it's been so fun playing wid u , kalte and some more br friends of mine. It just isn't fair segregating u guys frm us. LA servers are fine but IP blocks makes no sense. U've got to listen S2..

[Antidoto]

Looool a big looool

rly gms?

I bought the game in beta.

I spend a lot money and time (2300 matchs) for this

if u are smart. Dont do it ip block rofl

yes caps.

[Supine]

Exactly, it's been so fun playing wid u , kalte and some more br friends of mine. It just isn't fair segregating u guys frm us. LA servers are fine but IP blocks makes no sense. U've got to listen S2..

It's not fair to us, no, but IP locks make perfect sense.
This is a business decision, even though they are trying to phrase it as a customer satisfaction issue. All rights for advertising, customer support, and server hosting are being handed off to 3rd parties. An IP lock is, unfortunately, the only way to make this decision. Companies that host servers and pay for advertising should receive whatever income is due to them via store transactions.

They have to make sure that people in the new regions have their purchases go towards the company responsible for maintaining servers/advertising. Their playerbase will probably grow as a result, because S2 has not really marketed in these areas yet. The handful of disgruntled customers they lose is far outweighed by the people they will bring in from these other companies who actually market their game.

Sad.

[PleaseWard]

Look im Peruvian and i play this game cause i have a chance to play against/with some of my favorite players like: Moonmeander,Testie, Tralf (now its a *****), HillyBilly, etc ... soo S2 developers with all do respect you can suck my dick

The problem aren't the developers. This was decided by higher members of S2, ofc Maliken had its part on this decision.

The BIGGEST problem right now is that S2 doesn't give a CRAP about its community opinion. Instead of consulting us, fellow players who MAINTAIN THIS GAME SPENDING MONEY, they do what they think it's right.

The contract has probably been signed already, so there's no coming back.

I sincerely hope this fails, and makes S2 lose money. I even want S2 to be ruined, everyone to get fired and the company closes.

Why?
Bad management.

Judging from S2's actions, it looks like they are living in the 90's, where everything was centralized.

WAKE UP, internet now is made by users, not companies. Search for "Metropolis Model" and you shall see what I'm talking about.


If you asked for the community opinion on this, and alt avatars, and HoN future steps you would be making us all happy, and money WOULD BE A CONSEQUENCE.

But right now money comes first, you do what you think will bring more money, despite the community's opinion, and this makes a lot of players quit. So instead of making the community grow because you listen to them, you are forcing a different kind of "grow" and at the same time shattering the community to pieces and make part of it quit.


Just rot in hell, you and your bad decision taking.

BTW: I'm Brazilian, and in all my games, I've never been called BR. I make english mistakes, but I can type better than a lot of ppl who live in USA.

[SpitFountain]

Wish some "big" game related webiste/magazine makes an article about S2 and how they ignore the community. WE KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS and still NO ANSWERS TO WHY THE BLOCK IP's.

[PleaseWard]

It's not fair to us, no, but IP locks make perfect sense.
This is a business decision, even though they are trying to phrase it as a customer satisfaction issue. All rights for advertising, customer support, and server hosting are being handed off to 3rd parties. An IP lock is, unfortunately, the only way to make this decision. Companies that host servers and pay for advertising should receive whatever income is due to them via store transactions.

They have to make sure that people in the new regions have their purchases go towards the company responsible for maintaining servers/advertising. Their playerbase will probably grow as a result, because S2 has not really marketed in these areas yet. The handful of disgruntled customers they lose is far outweighed by the people they will bring in from these other companies who actually market their game.

Sad.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't make any sense.

Some say the problem are BRs that play with ppl from USA, and they can't speak english, and that ruins the game.

BUT FOR GODS SAKE, look at the other side of the coin. There are BRs playing, and they cant talk to USA ppl because they can't speak portuguese.

So you see, it's BAD for both sides.
The solution?

MAKE A GODDAMN LA SERVER OPTION.

Why would BRs, that can't speak english, queue in an USA server, with only ppl talking in english?

THEY WOULDN'T.

They would queue on LA servers. Me, as a BR who can speak a little bit of english, would queue on USA servers, why? Because it's important to practice my english, as I need it in my academic career. And I like hearing/talking in english.

But yeah, in S2's really narrowed vision, IP blocking is the smartest choice.

Instead of making part of globalization, they are going back in time.

[luckyclam]

Just to be clear, I will STOP playing this game if I'm not able to play with my non-brazilian friends.

[RacingGun]

Just dropping in to say once again, that everyone I know and myself will definitely stop playing HoN after Latin American players are separated from the US and Canadian players. I had zero interest in DOTA 2 until now. Guess Valve will get my money instead.

*edit: maybe it's all part of some terrible April Fool's joke... that's the only way I can possibly imagine ANYONE thinking this will be good for the already established HoN community. A few days later they'll say "Oh, that was all just a big joke, don't worry." Whatever, I've been loving this game since my Mexican friends got me hooked on it, but it's time to find a new game to be addicted to.

[DrLakers]

Just dropping in to say once again, that everyone I know and myself will definitely stop playing HoN after Latin American players are separated from the US and Canadian players. I had zero interest in DOTA 2 until now. Guess Valve will get my money instead.

*edit: maybe it's all part of some terrible April Fool's joke... that's the only way I can possibly imagine ANYONE thinking this will be good for the already established HoN community. A few days later they'll say "Oh, that was all just a big joke, don't worry." Whatever, I've been loving this game since my Mexican friends got me hooked on it, but it's time to find a new game to be addicted to.

People that said this about region locking on CIS all complained and now they still play every day. If you are a nerd and addicted to this game you wont quit. If you have a real life you might but stop forum spamming. Everyone in the USA is very happy about this.

[LiAdErC]

Ustedes quieren bloquearnos? bueno suporten esto........

oks regresen todo el dinero de aquellos que no quieran esto y hagan con mi juego favorito lo que ustedes quieran porque simplemente agarraron un gran juego y lo isieron trisas con esta idea.

esta icefrog riendose de la estupides que kiere aser S2

[Eurai11]

S2 does not care about the community. All they want is money, even if it comes in pesos or real from a 12 years old kid.

[Wandman]

http://www.terrariaonline.com/attachments/butthurt-butthurt-everywhere-jpg.25619/



Past that I woul like to quote ZeroMG, Games Master for HoN Latam

This is the original post


Los torneos, se me pone la piel de gallina.
Pensar que la primera vez que vi un torneo de un video juego jamas pensé que harían algo así en Latinoamérica y ver como ha crecido el e-sport en esta región del planeta es algo que no se puede creer.

Muchos se quejan del IP Blocking pero no piensan en el avance que esto traerá, no solo para la comunidad latina de HoN si no para toda la comunidad gamer. Quisiera que la comunidad latina de HoN mire en el pasado, un año atrás para ser exactos, a la comunidad del sudeste asiático, S2 Games le dió a esa comunidad la misma oportunidad que nos esta dando ahora, algo que no muchas empresas de video juegos hacen y miren lo que ocurrió. HoN Garena explotó, tienen casi tantos usuarios como el servicio internacional, se hacen grandes competencias y torneos de HoN, yo creo que la comunidad del sudeste asiático y el trabajo que han hecho allá son un ejemplo a seguir y espero, o mejor dicho creo, que podremos realizar un trabajo de igual o mayor calidad que el que han hecho allá.

Y ni bien se abra el foro de HoN, responderemos todas sus dudas .

A lo mejor les puede sonar falso, pero me encantaría que en vez de mirar con desconfianza sobre esta acción en conjunto de Axeso5.com y S2 Games, nos den todo su apoyo para que podamos realizar algo, algo que marque la escena gamer en América Latina donde podremos decir que hubo un antes y un después, y que esto sea un cambio positivo como nosotros creemos que será.

Saludos,
ZeroMG
Staff Axeso5.com

Here is the translation




The tournaments, I get goose bumps.
To think that the first time I saw a video game tournament I never thought Latin America would have something like that, and to see how much e-sport in this region is something unbelievable.


Many complaint about IP Blocking but they do not think in the progress this will bring, not only for the Latin american HoN community, but for the whole latin american gamer community. I would like the latin american HoN community look back in the past, go back one year ago to be more accurate, and look at the southeast asia community. S2 Games gave them the same chance they are giving us now, something that not many videogame companies do and look what happened. HoN Garena expanded so much that they now have almost as many users as the international servers, they have huge HoN tournaments and events. I believe the southeast asia community and the work they have done there are a role model and I hope, actually I believe, we will be able to do something as good as, or even better.

As soon as our own HoN forums opens we will be answering all your doubts.


Maybe what I will say now may sound phony, but I would love that instead of just looking askance at this action Axeso5.com and S2 Games are working on together, you would give us your full support so that we can make something that will change the gamer scene in Latin America, that will put a clear line between the past and the future, and this to be a positive change as we think will be.

Best Regards,
ZeroMG
Staff Axeso5.com


And in Portuguese for the huehue people



Os torneios, só de pensar eu fico arrepiado.
Pensar que a primeira vez que eu vi um torneio de video game nunca pensei que algo assim seria feito na America Latina, e ver como o e-sport cresceu nesta região do planeta é algo incrível.

Muitos estão reclamando do IP Blocking, mas não pensão no que isso irá trazer, não só para a comunidade de HoN na America Latina mas para a Comunidade Gamer da America Latina. Eu gostaria que a comunidade de HoN da America Latina volte seus olhares no tempo, à um ano atrais para ser exato, e olhe a comunidade do sudeste asiático, S2 Games deu a eles a mesma oportunidade que estão nos dando agora a mesma oportunidade, algo que não muitas empresas de videogames fazem, e olhem o que aconteceu. HoN Garena bombou, tem quase tantos usuários como o serviço internacional, à grandes competências e torneios de HoN, e eu acredito que a comunidade do sudeste asiático e o trabalho que foi feto lá são um modelo a seguir, eu espero, não, eu acredito que vamos poder realizar um trabalho tão bom quanto ou ainda melhor que o que foi feito lá.

E quando nosso fórum de HoN abrir, vamos responder todas suas duvidas.

Isto pode até parecer falso, mas eu adoraria que em vez de olhar com desconfiança sobre esta ação que Axeso5.com e S2 Games estão fazem em conjunto, que vocês nos derem todo o seu apoio para que nos possamos realizar algo que marque o cenário gamer da America Latina, algo que marque um antes e um depois, e que esta mudança seja algo positivo, como nós acreditamos que será.

Obrigado,
ZeroMG
Staff Axeso5.com

So basically that, he was answering some questions about a few users were making in a thread, and another future HoN Staff from Axeso5.com gave us some info for us to especulate with the tournaments...apparently they're planning something REALLY BIG but that's as much as we know.

I don't know if I can post axeso5.com forum URL but I think I can post their facebook HoN fan page

This is Brazil http://www.facebook.com/pages/HoN-Brasil/235202136576843
And this is Spanish Latam http://www.facebook.com/HoNLatino

And as far as I know they have my support

[TDown]

>>S2 Games gave them the same chance they are giving us now,



It's not called a chance when you're forced to do it regardless of your will. I said it before and I'll say again, Maliken and whoever is in charge of these new servers DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAYERBASE WANTS, WHY? YOU ASK. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PLAYERS.

Also Latin players HATES playing with eachother if they're not IRL friends. Last week I was in a game with a friend friend from US, we lost the game
because we we're paired with 3 latino players that couldn't understand nothing in english at all, funny enough I tried talking with in portuguese and
they couldn't understand either. So now you guys are asking me to ditch my us friend that did a excellent job to go play in a server filled
with br and kids like these that were on my match. HEY HEY SO MUCH FOR THE BARRIER LANGUAGE RIGHT.

[TrueViet]

BAD MOVE HON, I enjoy playing with people from different country and now ur limiting it. Why not make a Asia and south america server in match making Que........................

[Bacheleren]

At least top games give you a choice to join any kind of server you want. On HoN you are obligated.


This.
First time I am actually considering moving to DOTA 2.

[Blaky039]

This sucks, I put my money on you S2, don't give me this crap.

[Kekewak]

Woa woa woa, THe option of wich server to use should be optional.. because I'm from Chile (latino america) and i have 0 lag problems. 0 communication problems. everything is perfect, and now i must deal with Portuguese talking people? Languague filter will be ****.... for real. Make it optional, I hope S2 are hearing our complaints. I once bought Hon.. please dont do this to me

[SirVH]

An IP lock is, unfortunately, the only way to make this decision.

No, it's not. The same technique used to detect and block, can be used to detect and make the game display a different store, a differente language, etc etc etc, you don't need to split the networks to do that.

Hell, just get on youtube, they don't need to block me on youtube.com to make sure I'll see proper ads and sponsored content to my region and even block some content that's not allowed on my country.



function DetectCountry($ip) {
some routine that checks the ip location, widely available everywhere on the internet
}

$ip = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'];
if (DetectCountry($ip) == "br") {
hey, you are from brazil, this is your store, this is your ads, your campaigns, etc etc

}


Really, is that simple.

[Miroki]

so discriminatory
so unfair to those who supported hon since beta
disappointing

[MaryPoppins]

its funny how nothing is being discussed here.. they just impose everything on us like "we dont care".
Fine then... good luck with your game, north americans.. have lots of fun playing and eating burgers..because mary poppins (YES, SHES BRAZILIAN) will find some other game where they actually respect players.
GG WP

[Altairll]

its funny how nothing is being discussed here.. they just impose everything on us like "we dont care".
Fine then... good luck with your game, north americans.. have lots of fun playing and eating burgers..because mary poppins (YES, SHES BRAZILIAN) will find some other game where they actually respect players.
GG WP

I Didnt understand you. "Sou BR, mas acho que não pode postar em Portugues aqui"
S2 are setting up servers on our country, why you so mad?
I would love to play with an average ping of 100ms, but its not funny we wont be able to beat the american :scou: anymore.

[Lucien]

BR's Now you can ruin your own games, and only have like 1 or 2 people above 1600's..

Brazil where the avg psr is even lower than 1300.

[Altairll]

I think the BR's problem is just ping, there's a lot of noob americans, dont come here and say brazilian are the worst ever.

[Xenganth]

I'm from Argentina and I find this actually fine, I can perfectly speak in english, however I find disturbing how much discrimination there's from american ppl. I simply don't care, since if this Axeso5 is **** I will simply quit for dota 2 :)

inb4 there'll be more tournaments on A5 and Garena than on int hon rofl

[Blaky039]

I'm from Argentina and I find this actually fine, I can perfectly speak in english, however I find disturbing how much discrimination there's from american ppl. I simply don't care, since if this Axeso5 is **** I will simply quit for dota 2 :)

inb4 there'll be more tournaments on A5 and Garena than on int hon rofl

I'll move on to DotA2 as well if this thing happens.

[Wandman]

torunaments yes, considering that they will use their service to host the torunaments i do believe that if you proxy your ip you will not be able to participate in them
well, your loss more money for me :D

[Darktronik]

Bye HoN

Hello DoTa 2

[Balzak6]

So 50 ragers/trolls/pr0h4xx00rs/l33t players that are currently complaining about this will leave to dota 2.
Meanwhile 5k new players will come and participate and elevate the level over time.
Those 50 ragers will se whats going on and will return
end of story
win.

Another example of the issue depicted in this thread:
"S2 Games has announced that they will change the UI from gray to light gray, this will be done in the next patch" (this a work of fiction, any similarity with reality is merely coincidential)

Same 50 users: OMFG BAD MOVE S2, IM GOING TO PLAY BARBIES, I'VE SPENT LIKE LIKE LIKE 10 DOLLARS IN 2 YEARS AND THIS IS HOW S2 REPAYS US?

...see the point? no? k then, here's a pony for you

http://www.toysit.com/my-little-pony/my-little-pony.jpg

[AzureAlain]

Meh...lot of people dont get it, we are not againts the opening of LA servers, my only problem is that i live like 2 hours from the US here in Mexico...i dont have lag!! i have at worst 80 ping, and my only wish is to keep playing with my Canadians and American friends, thats all

Good thing HoN is gonna grow :D if i can play with the US yay :D


If i can't....well good hoN is growing im just not gonna be part of it, i dont care about e/sports i might follow tournaments and stuff but i dont care about aprticipating myself so e/sports in LA do nothing for me.

[Balzak6]

Meh...lot of people dont get it, we are not againts the opening of LA servers, my only problem is that i live like 2 hours from the US here in Mexico...i dont have lag!! i have at worst 80 ping, and my only wish is to keep playing with my Canadians and American friends, thats all

Good thing HoN is gonna grow :D if i can play with the US yay :D


If i can't....well good hoN is growing im just not gonna be part of it, i dont care about e/sports i might follow tournaments and stuff but i dont care about aprticipating myself so e/sports in LA do nothing for me.

I understand your point and besides the joke, for some people this will cause some problems such as the one depicted in your case. But I'm guessing that S2 Games is thinking in the big picture, they did this in Russia, bum 8k more players. With Garena they jumped from 8k ccus to like 50k in less than 6 months and they intend to do the same here.

Yes of course, it'll take to break some eggs to make an omelette (du fromaige) but in the end this will be benefitial... for most of the players. You can't satisfy everyone's need unfortunately.

This is how I think it is.

[Darktronik]

Ive been playing this for 3 years. ive Paid to play it. I refuse to pay for gold coins cause its overpriced. Now this?

God, in these 3 years ive played with more bad americans players than good and i am not raging.

I am really leaving after this happen. Ive got US friends to play with, now i will have to say good bye, give my steam account and wait them in dota 2 (since i am in beta and they are not).

[SpitFountain]

I understand your point and besides the joke, for some people this will cause some problems such as the one depicted in your case. But I'm guessing that S2 Games is thinking in the big picture, they did this in Russia, bum 8k more players. With Garena they jumped from 8k ccus to like 50k in less than 6 months and they intend to do the same here.

Yes of course, it'll take to break some eggs to make an omelette (du fromaige) but in the end this will be benefitial... for most of the players. You can't satisfy everyone's need unfortunately.

This is how I think it is.

http://foro.axeso5.com/showthread.php?t=150840&page=3

Are you the GM from Axeso5.com responsable of HoN?
Go figure!

[AzureAlain]

I understand your point and besides the joke, for some people this will cause some problems such as the one depicted in your case. But I'm guessing that S2 Games is thinking in the big picture, they did this in Russia, bum 8k more players. With Garena they jumped from 8k ccus to like 50k in less than 6 months and they intend to do the same here.

Yes of course, it'll take to break some eggs to make an omelette (du fromaige) but in the end this will be benefitial... for most of the players. You can't satisfy everyone's need unfortunately.

This is how I think it is.


du fromaige hahaha that make me chukle IRL xD

yes thats what im saying i get it but if leave is not because i hate s2 on the contrary, ill leave because i cannot play with my friends anymore ut i do understand what you are saying :D

[Wandman]

Ive been playing this for 3 years. ive Paid to play it. I refuse to pay for gold coins cause its overpriced. Now this?

God, in these 3 years ive played with more bad americans players than good and i am not raging.

I am really leaving after this happen. Ive got US friends to play with, now i will have to say good bye, give my steam account and wait them in dota 2 (since i am in beta and they are not).

I also have lots of friends in USA, Canada and Europe, and I won't be able to play with them anymore and that sucks, I know the feeling bro.
And many of us think this true
http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x359/Zerowand/messy-home-office.jpg


But maybe and only maybe, they're busting their arses off trying to make everything to be of outstanding quality to satisfy us all
I started playing HoN because it was Free to Play but I can't buy an avatar because I don't have a credit card and if I tell my dad I wanna spend 40 argentinian pesos in some videogame content he's gonna laugh so hard he's gonna died of suffocation. Many people can't enjoy the whole game due to this, because it's freaking expensive and freaking hard to buy coins nowadays.
I mean if WoW had set a WoW Latam server hosted either in Brazil or in some country from South America and had made a deal with some company like axeso5.com to sell their in-game and of-game contents (like dolls, unique mounts, the game itself, prepaids, etc) and to provide support to the playes I would have definitely bought the game and lots of stuff...I was forced to play shitty pirate servers we're everything was bugged and where the staff could not care less to give you support because I could not go to a Rapipago or a Pagofacil to pay my montlhy subscription to WoW
Maybe all of you have credit cards and are people who does not struggle with problems to get one and your daddy spoils you buying every gameconsole and videogame you want no matter the cost.
For me it was not the case. I saved my luch money for 2 years to buy my first PC because my dad could not afford and also he refused to buy me one. I saved for another 4 years to buy a new one since by 2009 a 5200 Geforce and 256 RAM were a bit out of date. I still can't enjoy Skyrim or Assassin's Creed or Dragons Ages or hell I can barely play The Witcher because my pc sucks so much. Giving all players the comfort to pay for whatever he wants in his country without needing aq credit card is something you may not enjoy but many of us will. I just can't wait to buy me slither alt Avatar

[ScoutEZ]

Separating the players based on regions is a pretty bad move S2 and it's obvious there will be more segregating to come (first Garena HoN for SEA, then Garena for Russian, now for Latin America and Koreans, whats next?). At least give people the option to play with players from around the world in diff regions. I love HoN and have spent hundreds of $$ on HoN but if I wake up one day and find myself forced to only play with Australians then I will move on.

[Darktronik]

I also have lots of friends in USA, Canada and Europe, and I won't be able to play with them anymore and that sucks, I know the feeling bro.
And many of us think this true

But maybe and only maybe, they're busting their arses off trying to make everything to be of outstanding quality to satisfy us all
I started playing HoN because it was Free to Play but I can't buy an avatar because I don't have a credit card and if I tell my dad I wanna spend 40 argentinian pesos in some videogame content he's gonna laugh so hard he's gonna died of suffocation. Many people can't enjoy the whole game due to this, because it's freaking expensive and freaking hard to buy coins nowadays.
I mean if WoW had set a WoW Latam server hosted either in Brazil or in some country from South America and had made a deal with some company like axeso5.com to sell their in-game and of-game contents (like dolls, unique mounts, the game itself, prepaids, etc) and to provide support to the playes I would have definitely bought the game and lots of stuff...I was forced to play shitty pirate servers we're everything was bugged and where the staff could not care less to give you support because I could not go to a Rapipago or a Pagofacil to pay my montlhy subscription to WoW
Maybe all of you have credit cards and are people who does not struggle with problems to get one and your daddy spoils you buying every gameconsole and videogame you want no matter the cost.
For me it was not the case. I saved my luch money for 2 years to buy my first PC because my dad could not afford and also he refused to buy me one. I saved for another 4 years to buy a new one since by 2009 a 5200 Geforce and 256 RAM were a bit out of date. I still can't enjoy Skyrim or Assassin's Creed or Dragons Ages or hell I can barely play The Witcher because my pc sucks so much. Giving all players the comfort to pay for whatever he wants in his country without needing aq credit card is something you may not enjoy but many of us will. I just can't wait to buy me slither alt Avatar

There is one thing you can do: get a work.

This is something americans do every college/school/whatever vacations/holidays, on their summer.

I understand your situation since i was a kid one day, but even there i could do some work here and there to buy my stuff.

This is not a good excuse and your dad is doing right. He will not be buying gold coins even in pesos. Its expensive already in dollars. And its bullshit. Alt avatar wont improve your gameplay experience. Its comestic only.

In the meanwhile, it shouldnt be mandatory. I would play in our latin servers. But i wouldnt quit playing in US servers.

[Wandman]

Ow man, the moderator erased my questions tower to oh so pro player that he could not answer....please if you read this lord of all kills and assists explain us what is the metagame


There is one thing you can do: get a work.

This is something americans do every college/school/whatever vacations/holidays, on their summer.

I understand your situation since i was a kid one day, but even there i could do some work here and there to buy my stuff.

This is not a good excuse and your dad is doing right. He will not be buying gold coins even in pesos. Its expensive already in dollars. And its bullshit. Alt avatar wont improve your gameplay experience. Its comestic only.

In the meanwhile, it shouldnt be mandatory. I would play in our latin servers. But i wouldnt quit playing in US servers.

ps3 costs 3000 pesos, that is 2 months minimum wage salaries for 9 hours a day work...a decent gaming pc costs even more tanh that





I Just hope the beta opens soon so that I may test their service before jumping to conclusions like most of you did

same on you

[Darktronik]

Ow man, the moderator erased my questions tower to oh so pro player that he could not answer....please if you read this lord of all kills and assists explain us what is the metagame


same on you

Are we talking about Ps3?

You can build a mid range pc capable of running even BF3 with less than 3000 pesos (=1250 reais).

Visit paraguay.

And go get a job!

[Spasemang]

A celebration is in order!!! Welcome to your new HoN homes, Brazilians!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ6LGrr8iEg

/thread

[`Tyrion`]

Hah, I'll make sure to enjoy these last days, theres NO WAY i'm gonna play on LA servers

[Wandman]

Are we talking about Ps3?

You can build a mid range pc capable of running even BF3 with less than 3000 pesos (=1250 reais).

Visit paraguay.

And go get a job!

I have a job, and I am telling you 3000 pesos is twice the amount the minimun salarie is...Assuming you don't eat, you don't pay bills, that you don't travel to go to work would take you still at least 2 months to buy a pc

ANd paraguay is 1200 kilometers from where I live...to get there I would have to spend 600 pesos or more on the trip, plus the import fees fro introducing electronics to argentina


OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Quad-core Intel or AMD CPU
RAM: 4GB
Graphics card: DirectX 11 Nvidia or AMD ATI card, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 or ATI Radeon 6950.
Graphics card memory: 1 GB
Sound card: DirectX compatibl sound card
Hard drive: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version

this is more than 3000 pesos

[Darktronik]

I cant understand you. Before you were talking about dad gifts and not having a credit card. Now you have a job and knows every living costs

Save for 1 year and buy what you want. Everyone do this.

Btw, this setup is not a mid range pc.

Get a dual core (or a athlon x4, pretty cheap), a GTX450 or amd equivalent, 2gb memo ram and you are fine to play hon and everygame out there.

[XewLie]

Sorry about you guys not being able to play with your friends, but you're selfish to go as far as wanting to quit over it.

80% of my games have.. ROFL what am i kidding, 100% of games i play have 2-3 people who don't speak english and do whatever the **** they want and ruin the game.

WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS THIS CHANGE WILL REVOLUTIONIZE HON FOR THE BETTER

[XewLie]

IMO it would be awesome if we could at least go on THEIR servers since we have a brain, brazils would flock to US servers and derp around and **** everything up, were if we went to brazil servers it would be a planned journey and you'd have good reasons to go there + anyone who would go to THEIR servers would have a brain and prob speak their language.

[Wandman]

I cant understand you. Before you were talking about dad gifts and not having a credit card. Now you have a job and knows every living costs

Save for 1 year and buy what you want. Everyone do this.

Btw, this setup is not a mid range pc.

Get a dual core (or a athlon x4, pretty cheap), a GTX450 or amd equivalent, 2gb memo ram and you are fine to play hon and everygame out there.

If you were able to fully understand english you would have noticed that I when I was younger I had to save my money lunch to buy my first pc and that are not able to access many different features form games for not having a credit card or parents willing to lend them theirs to buy "stupid game stuff" was talking about my first pc, a couple yeas ago

[Darktronik]

I started playing HoN because it was Free to Play but I can't buy an avatar because I don't have a credit card and if I tell my dad I wanna spend 40 argentinian pesos in some videogame content he's gonna laugh so hard he's gonna died of suffocation. Many people can't enjoy the whole game due to this, because it's freaking expensive and freaking hard to buy coins nowadays.

wait a minute. what?

[Wandman]

wait a minute. what?

I work, that does not mean I have a credit card

[K2`Error]

You know, nowadays I think the game developers/directors are just too lazy in thinking in something different to change some problems, like the language barrier and they end up going for the easiest way. Here is an idea of mine that maybe someone has already taken up. You could recruit some volunteers who speaks english and another language itself, like spanish. Than you could do a tutorial teaching the basics words/phrases of the game that are more used in ENGLISH, but using the spanish tutorial for it. It sounds stupid but that could change a LOT in the gameplay process and I think that could end most of problems.

[ingvarg]

lol, i warned u, when u were happily running around because of "no russians anymore".

I wonder who will be next to be put in reservation because "it's SO MUCH good for them"

[iHasPie]

I know it's quite impossible to merge all regions into a global server network but I miss the days of ICCUP where I occasionally played against koreans altho they usually raped the **** out of me but it was still playable in terms of lag. If this could ever be achieved for HoN it would be great but otherwise I honestly don't give a damn if some koreans play 8000 kilometres away from me cos there's literally no chance that I will ever be able to play against them. The game itself may grow but no one apart from S2's accountant will notice it.

[Wandman]

I know it's quite impossible to merge all regions into a global server network but I miss the days of ICCUP where I occasionally played against koreans altho they usually raped the **** out of me but it was still playable in terms of lag. If this could ever be achieved for HoN it would be great but otherwise I honestly don't give a damn if some koreans play 8000 kilometres away from me cos there's literally no chance that I will ever be able to play against them. The game itself may grow but no one apart from S2's accountant will notice it.

go to garena forums and ask them if they did not noticed the game growth

[JupiterApple]

GG HoN.
S2 is becoming one of the most idiotic Softhouses out there.
Good work on trying to compete with EA!
Thank god Dota 2 is right there.

[Thognar]

This is going to suck donkey balls.


you're selfish to go as far as wanting to quit over it.


WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS

Check out this guy right here, bahahahah

[Atrim3ntus]

It worked with SEA players over in Garena. It could work in these regions as well. The forums went from complaining about pinoys (open beta) to BRs (today) so it's gonna be interested who the next scapegoat is gonna be. Anyone wanna bets?

[Ayumi]

When is this happening? I couldnt find a date

[knoxvillee]

sure, kill the game even more. Top peak of International players are like 20k, this will make it to 10k. Good job S2.

[GodStopper]

to be honest, i have allways been supportive to s2 but now, i live in latin america, but some of my friends that i met while i studied in canada live there and in Europe so i hope s2 goes to hell for this.

[Dorgann]

well there's something I've been thinking and I'm not sure of this, but I think my isp uses servers located in the us to direct the internet traffic which mean local servers will have an even bigger ping since the signal have to go to the us and then come back, are u aware of this or am I wrong about this?, i think that's something the ISP support told me when i was checking my internet speed. thx

[Spectre232]

no, no and no S2... a bad decision imo... its ok for the brazilians... but i live in CR and i don't want to play with people in latin america... i played DotA a lot of time in Garena, in Mexico's rooms and where full of noobs... If you make this "smart" change u r going to lose a looooooooot of gamers who preffer to play with people of nort america and europe than latin america.. pls think this twice... because remember... DotA 2 is near :)... sorry for my bad english :):corr:

[Angusiasty]

SAMBA!

[TDown]

They keep talking about language barrier yet they wanna pit people that only speak portuguese playing with players that only speak spanish.

Do your homework s2.

[Blaky039]

no, no and no S2... a bad decision imo... its ok for the brazilians... but i live in CR and i don't want to play with people in latin america... i played DotA a lot of time in Garena, in Mexico's rooms and where full of noobs... If you make this "smart" change u r going to lose a looooooooot of gamers who preffer to play with people of nort america and europe than latin america.. pls think this twice... because remember... DotA 2 is near :)... sorry for my bad english :):corr:

Amen brother! I'm from Costa Rica as well, S2 is out of it's mind! this is attrocious!

[Rakso]

Why are you restricting ONLY Latin America and Korea?
European servers can play around with the USA (part of America) while actually only England speak english?
HoN is a multiplayer internet game, the fun is to play worldwide, this is what internet is about.
Language barrier? Come on, the game is in english, it's expected to players to talk in english (and you don't need to be fluent on it to comunicate some game stuff). You cannot break the game community and expect the game to grow by itself.

There is region selection options now, why just not add LA and Korea to them? So simply. You don't wannna to play in english? Go for other regions. You wanna? Ok, select them.
Players know how to make decisions by their own.

This^

Right now I'm finishing my career in a Latin American country and it will probably take me a year and a half to finish it, after that I'll go back to Spain (the country I'm originally from), so if i change to the latin american server and then in a year an a half i want to go back to the NA/EU server I'll lose my legacy account?

I just want to know if its going to be posible to change server/clients whenever i want or am i stuck not playing HoN with my legacy account till i go back home? (awesome, 10 heroes a week, YAY!)

[Mummpitz]

how dumb is this ???, u should be able to play with friends globally !

[Arcanoks]

The last year I did lots of thing to play the BETA and then I found the way to pay because HON promised to be much better that DOTA. My friends, who played DOTA, told me that HON is more interactive, friendly and Its worth to play.

Once I said "HON shouldn't worry to be the best game for the year, HON should worry to be the best game to the history". But Its first mistake was lots of patches, why?. Those were very unconfortable, but the gamers, althought we show to HON our suggestions and didn't were listened, understood the situation.

But I can't stand this decision of HON to create a LATIN AMERICA server... what is that? Its the worst decision that HON makes. WHY? COME ON... READ THIS...

"Once the game is fully released and no longer in beta, players in Latin America and Korea will no longer be able to play HoN on North American/European Union Servers. The transfer program will allow them to continue playing HoN by transferring all of their prior purchases and account credentials to local servers in their region". O_o

WHY DOES HON PRIVATE US TO PLAY WITH OTHER COUNTRIES? WHY WOULD HON WANT TO SEPARATE FROM THE INTERNACIONAL SERVER?

I suppose that they want to find more popularity but they are wrong.

THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME FUTURE THAT GUNDBOUND, GUNZ, ETC. AT THE BEGINNIG THEY HAD POPULARITY AND AT THE END THEY WILL TRANSFORM IN A COMMMON GAME BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO POPULARITY THAT THE GAMES LOST THE EXCLUSIVE AND SPECIAL FOR THE REAL GAMERS.

Who doesn´t agree to this stupid desicion (LATIN o KOREA HON o_O) show to them your opinion.

Write: RIP HON

[Sexlexia]

So when is this going to take place because I'm still getting games with people that don't speak English. In fact its like 3/5 games that I'm stuck with BRs that don't know or choose not to speak English. Communication is very important in this game I support this change.

[Kalki`]

This is the best change ever. I can't wait to play with only americans. S2, manning up huge. This makes sense for everyone.... You play with your own people from your own zone. Why would I as a person from California, USA want to play with someone who doesn't communicate with me at all and is from South America?

Re-read that again... WHY WOULD I or anyone from USA want to play with someone who can't respond or communicate with us... Its a fairly simple situation that really makes me proud of S2.

not sure if that was sarcasm or you are just prejudiced.

[Radov]

Gone since long ago but I guess some people will join me now. Don't worry guys, 15 May we all play diablo 3.

A3 - Ship sinks. OWNED!

PD: I'de love to see the community manager trying to explain (lie). So you have friends (or even a clan) from la and us and you can't play together anymore cause server restrictions? Go xanderk make my day, answer this (or delete as you will prolly do).

[Spectre232]

Amen brother! I'm from Costa Rica as well, S2 is out of it's mind! this is attrocious!

:O Hola amigo jajaja :)... but pls S2 think about this... is good for the brz (nothing against brz) because u have a lot of ppl in BR but, latin america max player online can be 5k.. longer queues not ftw :C

[MercMoon]

Hi, i am from Brazil, so from the beginning i ask for your forgiveness for my bad english, although im used to speak it, i never need to write in english.

I find this ridiculous, i BOUGHT this game for $30 and spent an additional $50 in early access heroes, avatars and stuff. I even made another 5 friends pay $30 for it and join the game, because i really loved Hon.

One of the nice aspects of an international game for me is to be able to speak with many people from different places around the world so i could train my english, my french and my spanish, make friends in other countries and learn a few words in their own language.

Now, suddenly u are saying to me that the rules of the game have changed and you are banishing me from the world servers and confining me in a Latin America server. =/

It´s so unfair that people from Europe can choose to play with people on the US and i won´t be able. Its insulting, it shouldn't be allowed!!

U could give us the option, a one time option to remain on the US servers or to go to LA servers..... Better, u could change us all to the LA servers but for those who can speak english, we could i don't know, access a menu and change our server (again, a one time, no reversible feature) back to the US. In that way you would have the majority, at least the majority of the brazillians in the LA server.

Or you could make it that in the LA servers we get i don't know, 50 ms, people would migrate!! I would not, but most people would.

And i'm playing this game for so much time that i made lot's of non brazillian friends, some Canadians and Us citizens even joined my Ventrillo so we could play better!!

That's depressing and just not fair S2, if i could have my money back and my account erased, i'd like it right now, i don't desire to play in the LA servers when the time come.

I will need to change to DOTA 2 with this and this really makes me sad.

Again, forgive my bad english.

Kisses.

[SmiLa]

This will improve HoN experience for players like us.. GJ S2

[zer0aim]

XanderK, since its been more than 2 days Im posting my questions again. I hope you see them this time...


Quote:
Originally Posted by xanderK
-Servers will not necessarily be located in Brazil.
necessarily? please be more ambiguous.
Where are the beta servers located?


-The game itself is still developed by S2 Games so nothing changes on that front.
I was asking about the DB.
Is this going to be managed by Axeso5 too? will the player info be available in the forums as always?
Are we still going to be using this forum?
Will it be possible to download replays from US players and viceversa?
- There will be more information about the future of international HoN eSports competitions in the near future.
Ok, you wont answer that question.
But I would love your opinion, do you think that professional Latin american players should be allowed to play against teams from other regions?
Will they be able to practice versus US or Asia teams to test their metagames?


-You have to remember that the Latin America client is not just Brazil. The full list of countries will be available in the future.
I do remember that its not just Brazil. I would LOVE it if this didn't apply to me.
You know brazilian players are a lot, and I would dare say they are and will be the largest number in this new region.
But as I cannot prove that with HON numbers lets just say this, Brazil has aprox. the same population as THE REST of South America.
Add to this central america and you've got your new region.
With these numbers I dare say I will be playing with at least 4 portuguese speaking players out of 10, but enough rant.

Last question, Is the IP block required to secure the third party support?


Thanks,

Also, to the people saying this is a great oportunity. Its not an oportunity if you are being forced to take it.
If these new servers where good enough, most of LA people would play there anyways, no need to IP block.

[Bloodmaker]

ahahah nice s2 i play this game since beta and no i go to dota 2 tanks end bye HON ..

[CipherGalm1]

people wont be able to play EU or US servers? thats sad and also stupid.
agreed

[BossKoala]

Guys, you are just wasting your time trying to convince S2. They just dont care and ignore us, like they did with the Russians and SEA. We just gona have to deal with it.

S2 doesnt care or else they would post something. Instead they create new threads about Aluna's new avatar or forums changes.

So we have 2 options: 1 is to quit or the second one is to give Axeso5.com a chance (wich probably be really bad at the begginig). Nothing more we can do really.

[GuilleN]

Seriosly who comes up with this retarded ideas? I've played this game for about 2 years(not much in the past months tho) and i must have 2 or 3 friends on my friendlist that are from Latin america, the rest are from US or EU. If u guys want us to have servers give us the ability to chose, dont just ****in IP block us from the main servers.
I have not played HoN much on the last months due to dota 2, but it was nice to know that i could if i wanted, now what? If i ever want to come back ill be forced to play agains a smaller playerbase and not with my friends? Great keep it up S2

[SuperMcRad]

My condolences to all my Latino Hon-brethren that feel screwed over by this.

To all my American/Canadian brethren:
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/OOO.gif

[Gooya]

Me, after playing some Dota 2 beta games:

"You know what? I think HoN is much better than this gam..."
*reads this thread*
"Nevermind"

[Miroki]

WTF S2 GAMES I CANT BELIEVE UR D0ING THIS,, ,PLZZ D0NT :~/ PLEEEEEEEEEAASE ?!?!
:D:moon:

[Bacheleren]

I have spent quite some money on HoN (no, not 10 dollars a year or something like that, I have bought a few 40$ packages) and it wouldn't bother me to spend more as cool stuff came out.

This change, however, makes me hesitate. I wouldn't appreciate to be forced to play on a separate region. It's be great to have local (if it was GOOD) support, local store (less bother to get coins on an international credit card and stuff like that), local development. But why can't this all be made while playing on an international client? Why can't only the support and store be region locked?

Seriously, what'll happen (from that company's reputation) is I'll be annoyed with a crappy support, maybe late patches (not matching international patches on the same release time), I am expecting even to dislike the new store prices. And I can't even be sure that the servers won't be total crap.

I'd totally love to play on South American servers sometimes, when I feel like it, or when I'm playing with friends who have worst internet connections. And A LOT of people would choose these servers for this reason. We don't need a separated game for that.

I'll probably take my money to the future hat market on Dota 2.

[UnTaMeD`]

My whole team is from canada, im from peru, how am i supposed to keep playing with them?...

[lBiGzhoT]

this is just not fine guys im from lating america and i'm aware that the best and competitive player are not here(in latin america) so im not going to be able to play with nice gamers? also, hon in spanish will not be the same cause its just awfull...idk why are u guys thinking about i got many friends in EU so now i wont be ablo to play with them? TY S2 im srsly moving to Dota2

[Aray]

huehue jaja bye br mexico

[Blaky039]

Looking for beta keys right now, this doesn't make sense, S2 won't back out nor answer our concerns.

Didn't wanted to say it but it's true, the people that made this decision at S2 are clearly racist people. You can't stop globalization.

DotA2 will come out on top.

(Damn I never thought I'd support DotA2 over HoN, makes me real sad)

[Wittmaack]

Please read.

When a company the size of S2, with no history (2 years?), with only one game that became famous (can we say this already?), makes a move like this one I really get to think:

"are they ****** geniuses and are leading a new attitude in global online games? or are they just acting with prejudice?"

Who are you trying to fool?

Why don't you follow the examples of really well positioned gaming companies. With leading games over the years. I've never seen a good game with IP-lock system. They always give you the choice. Sometimes you have to pay for it, but most of us accept that.

S2 -> you're a company and should act as one. Ethics should be one of your concerns.
People have the right to choose where to play and who to play with.

And if you really think it through, it would be better for your money business. I know tons of people (please include me) who buy 2 different region accounts to play wherever they want.

Hope you don't mind losing players from LA. By the content of your message, I believe you don't.

In my opinion you should take a look at the profile of players associated with Axes05 and the games they have.

Brazil and Latin America might have a young player base, with no competitive scene in almost every game till now, but we do have one of the largest and fastest growing adressable game market. And although you're doing this move to expand your player base here, you don't need to IP block the region. The two things can be made without making your actual supporters forced to move and suffer on a low population region.

Thanks for the great year playing HoN, but if this really happen, you're losing a player with average ticket of US$ 200 /year. And one that bought the game before f2p.

Hope you reconsider.
Later

[Sharpryno]

In fact, Blizzard even allows you to play in any region you want, at the cost of buying their game again. I don't know why S2 does not exploit this, charging something like $20 for access to other regions would be a reasonable price and I guarantee a lot of people would use this service.


No one wants a language barrier in their game.
And if BR's had their own servers, they would continue playing on US servers because they hate playing with other BRs, or they want to go troll, or they have friends in that region. The only benefit it should have is less lag and a common language.
Still do not get how people have fun with 200+ ping in a game like this.

[Morazela]

Thank you for screwing me over once again. Thank you for making me unable to play with my north american friends. Thank you s2.

[secoNdsFyG]

That happened with my Gold, heroes, and accessories that you purchase during the time that I played HoN? can transfer all this to servers that will open soon? NOT UNDERSTAND VERY WELL THAT PART, I NEED SOMEONE I EXPLAIN

[secoNdsFyG]

Please read.

When a company the size of S2, with no history (2 years?), with only one game that became famous (can we say this already?), makes a move like this one I really get to think:

"are they ****** geniuses and are leading a new attitude in global online games? or are they just acting with prejudice?"

Who are you trying to fool?

Why don't you follow the examples of really well positioned gaming companies. With leading games over the years. I've never seen a good game with IP-lock system. They always give you the choice. Sometimes you have to pay for it, but most of us accept that.

S2 -> you're a company and should act as one. Ethics should be one of your concerns.
People have the right to choose where to play and who to play with.

And if you really think it through, it would be better for your money business. I know tons of people (please include me) who buy 2 different region accounts to play wherever they want.

Hope you don't mind losing players from LA. By the content of your message, I believe you don't.

In my opinion you should take a look at the profile of players associated with Axes05 and the games they have.

Brazil and Latin America might have a young player base, with no competitive scene in almost every game till now, but we do have one of the largest and fastest growing adressable game market.

Thanks for the great year playing HoN, but if this really happen, you're losing a player with average ticket of US$ 200 /year. And one that bought the game before f2p.

Hope you reconsider.
Later

Agreed with him.

[Wittmaack]

No one wants a language barrier in their game.
And if BR's had their own servers, they would continue playing on US servers because they hate playing with other BRs, or they want to go troll, or they have friends in that region. The only benefit it should have is less lag and a common language.
Still do not get how people have fun with 200+ ping in a game like this.

That's not true. World of Warcraft Brazilian and Latin America are doing good (speaking of player base). The majority of the brazilian wow community moved. But lots of guilds and even a few "single" players stayed where they were playing.

First of all, because is their right.
Second, before/after the creation of the Brazilian servers Blizzard made the LFRaids or Dungeons and PvP that's cross-server.
The thing is that it simply has preference for "same server-groups", but when it's not possible you'll be matched or grouped with other servers and probably with other language.

I repeat, you're all acting with prejudice and generalizing things. Think before you post and support this idea. (Can you make a parallel with tourism in most developed countries?)

And last, not all brazilians get >200 ping. And from 50 to 150-200, u won't feel any diference (only if you're a pro player on a pro competition -> and i still don't believe it will). The lag on your brain is much stronger than that.

Just get some people working on "game reports" and you'll have most of the "bad behavior" players banned (for a time and if repeated they can be permanently banned) in no time.

S2
You have to educate not prohibit people.
You'll just lose the really interested players from these region.

You'll make money for sure, expanding your influence here through partnerships, but again you don't need to IP-block.

As I see things, we all should do things that we're comfortable with, and I can't believe you're comfortable with that decision. Acting dictatorial.

[DoS`]

I don't even have friends overseas that I will miss playing with, I just think this is a silly idea.

[TronKs]

Questions in RED

-Servers will not necessarily be located in Brazil.

Located in Brazil or not:
This game has 2 years with servers located in USA, and Latin American people still plays it, and decided that its good for them , and BOUGTH the game.

They bougth an account, with the intention of playing in an USA server, they dont have problems with that. Instead playing in American servers will suck ? Why ? For the same reason Latin America is part of the 3rd World
(Yes, Im american, and I accept it, specifically from Venezuela)

-Latin America is just the term being used for the Region, exactly the same as CIS is used for that client even though not every country included is technically part of the CIS.

You think you're innovative? Or that it is really going to help ?
Games who add those Ip-Blocks, mostly sucks, as other person stated, haven't seen the first game with restrictions that its successfull.

-Localized support means that they'll have support for whatever languages are needed for the region.

Wow, Thanks you, After 2 years you start caring about that.
We do speak english, not speaking english nowadays its like not knowing how to turn on a computer. This is not a must, and if u really awnted to give "Localized Support" you would hide people at S2 that speak spanish and portuguese

-The game itself is still developed by S2 Games so nothing changes on that front.

It's not for being mean... But Would it really care to us who develops it ?
I'll put you an example. Gunz: Its developed by maiet, published by other companies? Who care who Maiet developed it, they care about the people they face (Publishers).

- There will be more information about the future of international HoN eSports competitions in the near future.

Really? Thats the answer? Its like saying your gonna get skills and get better teams, while you face each other in your country. Completely senseless

-You have to remember that the Latin America client is not just Brazil. The full list of countries will be available in the future.

80% of your latin american users are Brasilians.

-Unfortunately, I don't have any info about the payment changes for the Latin America and Korea clients.

Who cares about payments? We already own the game, and payed for it.!

What i think should be Done

Obviosly this is all a Marketing Move, we know it , and we know u won't accept it. It's obviosly selling the license to the publisher its the point behind this.

Pro's about your move:
*Add whatever you want, we don't care about anything good this can take*

Cons:
1º We payed to play in a REGION FREE GAME
2º We own our accounts already in this server, Why would you "Expell us"
3º Probably , as all axceso5 games, will be a complete fail
4º I don't want to talk about the lag we will have.. ( Belive me, i have already tried their game)
5º WE ARE PERFECTLY AS WE ARE, WE DONT NEED ANY CHANGE

-------------------

As always, S2 Games, changing things that they shouldn't be.
Why instead you dont go to suggestions forum , and maybe change those things.

And if you still want to continue with this
(And i know the license you're selling doesn't make this possible)

LET THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY BOUGTH AN ACCOUNT FOR HON (The real one) KEEP IT, AND BE ABLE TO PLAY AS THEY ARE

If new people wants to join, I accept it, block them, but WE already have our accounts.
Transfering our accounts to Axceso5 , SHOULD be an option. People who wants to stay ( And reject all those new good things you're offering ) Should be able to.

[santiiago]

Well this is worst you can do s2 games. i live in usa and my frinds in south america so i wont be available to play with them anymore? are you serious?
fck this game i wasn't a hater of this game or the staff but this.......... you better change it i have spent more the 100 dollars in this account and you replay like this?

[AmNeSioC]

We have to learn Portuguesse guys.... Brasil ftw !!!

[Cheroka]

Before I am region blocked from US servers.

I want to first clarify that, I am not writing this as a complaint or because I "care" about being blocked. If I was unfairly asked to leave a restaurant, I would leave without kicking up a storm, because it shouldn't be me who's worried about staying but rather the establishment. If I leave it will be their loss, not mine, I can always have dinner somewhere else. Now with that clarified let me share my opinion with you as a gamer that is genuinely concerned for a company who's game I enjoyed for a long time:

I undoubtedly believe you are making the wrong choice. Blizzard, Valve, and most other big companies allow the players to gain the "benefits" of local servers and localized service but that is an optional choice. Because it is only reasonable to believe that in today's globalized society people have friends from all over the world who enjoy playing online games together, so "locking" regions should be something that's completely out of the question.

In fact, Blizzard even allows you to play in any region you want, at the cost of buying their game again. I don't know why S2 does not exploit this, charging something like $20 for access to other regions would be a reasonable price and I guarantee a lot of people would use this service.

I will not try to create imaginary facts like most emotionally distressed people (OMGZ S2 U WILL LOSE OVER 80% OF UR PLAYERS LIEK THIS!!) but I will try to tell you about my situation at least:

I live in Latin America, yet I have plenty of friends and family over at the US that I enjoyed playing HoN with. It was almost like a weekly tradition, friday, saturday and sometimes even sunday were HoN nights and we queued together with the sole intention to have fun. This will no longer be possible, because it seems S2 will just NOT shut up and take our money, they don't want it. And that's too bad because our weekly tradition will continue, just somewhere else, DOTA2 is an option. We didn't even LIKE DOTA2, we liked the changes in balance HoN had made, like the removal of the 0:00 rune and the secret shop, but right now it seems like we were forced to join the competition.

Now, Maliken, do you think it's unreasonable to believe that there will be a lot more people with a situation similar to mine? I don't think so, I sincerely believe, from reading replies and hearing other HoN players in my area, that a lot of us will be forced to move to DOTA2 or some other MOBA to play with our friends at the US. Seriously think about the money that will be lost, again I can't tell you for sure that it will be a large amount, but I can tell you it's probably a lot of players and money lost.

Me, my friends and family will unfortunately not be spending our money here any longer because you kicked us out, not because we wanted to. We will not be watching HoN news any longer because this game is no longer relevant to us, but regardless I still wish your game the best of luck and nothing but success.

Now, allow me to answer a few of the possible replies that will no doubt come from immature US players and trolls:

"This is better, we don't want to play with terrible Mexicans like you" - I cannot wait for this change to take effect and for you to realize that terrible players have no nationality, you will still rage and want to break your monitor at the terrible US players you will be paired up with.

"Language barrier is fixed like this" - Hi, I'm Latin American and as you can see I'm writing a large post with minimal English misuses. And, if S2 allowed for region swaps at a price of like $20, only people who knew English would be willing to spend the money.

"I hate Latin Americans, so I don't want you playing with us" - Good for you, now have a cookie and live happy stuck in such a closed mindset.


Yours Sincerely,

-A passionate gamer and INDIE games supporter.

Amen. :mart:

[JupiterApple]

Why not separate Europe as well?
Seriously. English is not the most spoken language out here either.

>implying most ppl from LA dont communicate in english ingame is just stupid

[Fawlink]

Before I am region blocked from US servers.

I want to first clarify that, I am not writing this as a complaint or because I "care" about being blocked. If I was unfairly asked to leave a restaurant, I would leave without kicking up a storm, because it shouldn't be me who's worried about staying but rather the establishment. If I leave it will be their loss, not mine, I can always have dinner somewhere else. Now with that clarified let me share my opinion with you as a gamer that is genuinely concerned for a company who's game I enjoyed for a long time:

I undoubtedly believe you are making the wrong choice. Blizzard, Valve, and most other big companies allow the players to gain the "benefits" of local servers and localized service but that is an optional choice. Because it is only reasonable to believe that in today's globalized society people have friends from all over the world who enjoy playing online games together, so "locking" regions should be something that's completely out of the question.

In fact, Blizzard even allows you to play in any region you want, at the cost of buying their game again. I don't know why S2 does not exploit this, charging something like $20 for access to other regions would be a reasonable price and I guarantee a lot of people would use this service.

I will not try to create imaginary facts like most emotionally distressed people (OMGZ S2 U WILL LOSE OVER 80% OF UR PLAYERS LIEK THIS!!) but I will try to tell you about my situation at least:

I live in Latin America, yet I have plenty of friends and family over at the US that I enjoyed playing HoN with. It was almost like a weekly tradition, friday, saturday and sometimes even sunday were HoN nights and we queued together with the sole intention to have fun. This will no longer be possible, because it seems S2 will just NOT shut up and take our money, they don't want it. And that's too bad because our weekly tradition will continue, just somewhere else, DOTA2 is an option. We didn't even LIKE DOTA2, we liked the changes in balance HoN had made, like the removal of the 0:00 rune and the secret shop, but right now it seems like we were forced to join the competition.

Now, Maliken, do you think it's unreasonable to believe that there will be a lot more people with a situation similar to mine? I don't think so, I sincerely believe, from reading replies and hearing other HoN players in my area, that a lot of us will be forced to move to DOTA2 or some other MOBA to play with our friends at the US. Seriously think about the money that will be lost, again I can't tell you for sure that it will be a large amount, but I can tell you it's probably a lot of players and money lost.

Me, my friends and family will unfortunately not be spending our money here any longer because you kicked us out, not because we wanted to. We will not be watching HoN news any longer because this game is no longer relevant to us, but regardless I still wish your game the best of luck and nothing but success.

Now, allow me to answer a few of the possible replies that will no doubt come from immature US players and trolls:

"This is better, we don't want to play with terrible Mexicans like you" - I cannot wait for this change to take effect and for you to realize that terrible players have no nationality, you will still rage and want to break your monitor at the terrible US players you will be paired up with.

"Language barrier is fixed like this" - Hi, I'm Latin American and as you can see I'm writing a large post with minimal English misuses. And, if S2 allowed for region swaps at a price of like $20, only people who knew English would be willing to spend the money.

"I hate Latin Americans, so I don't want you playing with us" - Good for you, now have a cookie and live happy stuck in such a closed mindset.


Yours Sincerely,

-A passionate gamer and INDIE games supporter.

Estoy de acuerdo! !!!

[Blaky039]

Please read.

When a company the size of S2, with no history (2 years?), with only one game that became famous (can we say this already?), makes a move like this one I really get to think:

"are they ****** geniuses and are leading a new attitude in global online games? or are they just acting with prejudice?"

Who are you trying to fool?

Why don't you follow the examples of really well positioned gaming companies. With leading games over the years. I've never seen a good game with IP-lock system. They always give you the choice. Sometimes you have to pay for it, but most of us accept that.

S2 -> you're a company and should act as one. Ethics should be one of your concerns.
People have the right to choose where to play and who to play with.

And if you really think it through, it would be better for your money business. I know tons of people (please include me) who buy 2 different region accounts to play wherever they want.

Hope you don't mind losing players from LA. By the content of your message, I believe you don't.

In my opinion you should take a look at the profile of players associated with Axes05 and the games they have.

Brazil and Latin America might have a young player base, with no competitive scene in almost every game till now, but we do have one of the largest and fastest growing adressable game market. And although you're doing this move to expand your player base here, you don't need to IP block the region. The two things can be made without making your actual supporters forced to move and suffer on a low population region.

Thanks for the great year playing HoN, but if this really happen, you're losing a player with average ticket of US$ 200 /year. And one that bought the game before f2p.

Hope you reconsider.
Later

Minor totem now!
:MinorTotem:

This guy for president please.

[Xenganth]

I don't know why you guys are arguing about all this, there's just no way that S2 is gonna retreat, they did the same with CIS and SEA players and it went good. I find this actually a good idea, the only problem are our friends oversea but who cares, I will finally play with 100 ping :pebb:

P.S: When is this happening?

[LelandCJ]

Ok for Korea there is a massive problem... the stupid government requires a 주민번호 for most services here, which I don't have, and which S2's new carrier is going to require.

S2 needs to provide an answer on whether we are going to have to add additional information to our account to play on the Korean servers or not.

Questions in RED

-Servers will not necessarily be located in Brazil.

Located in Brazil or not:
This game has 2 years with servers located in USA, and Latin American people still plays it, and decided that its good for them , and BOUGTH the game.

They bougth an account, with the intention of playing in an USA server, they dont have problems with that. Instead playing in American servers will suck ? Why ? For the same reason Latin America is part of the 3rd World
(Yes, Im american, and I accept it, specifically from Venezuela)

Axeso5 Server will be located in Miami. Read Axeso5 Forum. They admit that in Latin America there isn't good servers for a game like HoN.

-Latin America is just the term being used for the Region, exactly the same as CIS is used for that client even though not every country included is technically part of the CIS.

You think you're innovative? Or that it is really going to help ?
Games who add those Ip-Blocks, mostly sucks, as other person stated, haven't seen the first game with restrictions that its successfull.

If that is the case HoN sucks since long time ago, because they are using IP-Blocks since the HoN-SEA.

-Localized support means that they'll have support for whatever languages are needed for the region.

Wow, Thanks you, After 2 years you start caring about that.
We do speak english, not speaking english nowadays its like not knowing how to turn on a computer. This is not a must, and if u really awnted to give "Localized Support" you would hide people at S2 that speak spanish and portuguese

Yes speaking english is a must have in this days but even with it. Not everybody speak english.

-The game itself is still developed by S2 Games so nothing changes on that front.

It's not for being mean... But Would it really care to us who develops it ?
I'll put you an example. Gunz: Its developed by maiet, published by other companies? Who care who Maiet developed it, they care about the people they face (Publishers).

You just have to complaint to Axeso5 if they give you bad servers and service. In that case the game will be the same.

- There will be more information about the future of international HoN eSports competitions in the near future.

Really? Thats the answer? Its like saying your gonna get skills and get better teams, while you face each other in your country. Completely senseless

Again Axeso5 has say that they will make a scheadule of tornament, they will try to go to almost any anime/gamer convention in LA just to promote the game.

-You have to remember that the Latin America client is not just Brazil. The full list of countries will be available in the future.

80% of your latin american users are Brasilians.

This is just retard. I see more latin flags in the game than brazilian flags.

-Unfortunately, I don't have any info about the payment changes for the Latin America and Korea clients.

Who cares about payments? We already own the game, and payed for it.!

Axeso5 say that they will increase the gold coin exange about 30% they know that latin economy isn't as strong as USA economy.


My answers in Blue. I'm not an Axeso5 Fanboy (I even didn't know about Axeso till this) but there is nothing to be done. The contract is done. So I did my research.

Is retard that people here complain about this and in Axeso5 they just say Oh a New Game/ This looks great/ I'll try this game/ I'll be playing this, etc...

[Vassef_Oder]

Before i start, let me just say that i am brazilian and my english isn't that great, so i'm sorry for any mistake,

When i first heard about the latin american servers, i feared that they could block us from playing in the US servers, and now my fears were true. I fail so see how segregation can make a game grow. Other companies already tried to do that before here in Brazil with games with about the same HoN popularity and failed. HoN isn't popular enough for a decision like improve the game and people in south america don't like segregation. People will think twice before starting to play HoN when they discover that they can't play with people from all over the world, specially when there are other similar games around way more popular then HoN (like LoL and DoTA, and i can say for myself ther brazilians loves DoTA). I could unsderstand big companies as Blizzard making this decision, but i can't understando S2 doing that.

You speak about communication and language barrier. Do you know that brazilians speak better english than spanish? and do you know that argentinians, peruvians, chilleans or any other country in south america or central america, people speak better english than portuguese (seriously, why would they learn portuguese anyway ?). You're just removing the language barrier that bothers the european, north americans and canadians, but you are creating another for us, actually, what you will probably see is, people speaking in english with each other because it is the only language in commom that they know.

Sorry S2, but there is no reasonable argument to support this decision. The only thing i can say is that i'm very sad with these news and i'm probably leaving the game if you don't change your mind about this.

[Shikal]

The only thing i can say is that i'm very sad and angry with these news and i'm probably leaving the game if you don't change your mind about this.:pand:

[Koykun]

Before I am region blocked from US servers.

I want to first clarify that, I am not writing this as a complaint or because I "care" about being blocked. If I was unfairly asked to leave a restaurant, I would leave without kicking up a storm, because it shouldn't be me who's worried about staying but rather the establishment. If I leave it will be their loss, not mine, I can always have dinner somewhere else. Now with that clarified let me share my opinion with you as a gamer that is genuinely concerned for a company who's game I enjoyed for a long time:

I undoubtedly believe you are making the wrong choice. Blizzard, Valve, and most other big companies allow the players to gain the "benefits" of local servers and localized service but that is an optional choice. Because it is only reasonable to believe that in today's globalized society people have friends from all over the world who enjoy playing online games together, so "locking" regions should be something that's completely out of the question.

In fact, Blizzard even allows you to play in any region you want, at the cost of buying their game again. I don't know why S2 does not exploit this, charging something like $20 for access to other regions would be a reasonable price and I guarantee a lot of people would use this service.

I will not try to create imaginary facts like most emotionally distressed people (OMGZ S2 U WILL LOSE OVER 80% OF UR PLAYERS LIEK THIS!!) but I will try to tell you about my situation at least:

I live in Latin America, yet I have plenty of friends and family over at the US that I enjoyed playing HoN with. It was almost like a weekly tradition, friday, saturday and sometimes even sunday were HoN nights and we queued together with the sole intention to have fun. This will no longer be possible, because it seems S2 will just NOT shut up and take our money, they don't want it. And that's too bad because our weekly tradition will continue, just somewhere else, DOTA2 is an option. We didn't even LIKE DOTA2, we liked the changes in balance HoN had made, like the removal of the 0:00 rune and the secret shop, but right now it seems like we were forced to join the competition.

Now, Maliken, do you think it's unreasonable to believe that there will be a lot more people with a situation similar to mine? I don't think so, I sincerely believe, from reading replies and hearing other HoN players in my area, that a lot of us will be forced to move to DOTA2 or some other MOBA to play with our friends at the US. Seriously think about the money that will be lost, again I can't tell you for sure that it will be a large amount, but I can tell you it's probably a lot of players and money lost.

Me, my friends and family will unfortunately not be spending our money here any longer because you kicked us out, not because we wanted to. We will not be watching HoN news any longer because this game is no longer relevant to us, but regardless I still wish your game the best of luck and nothing but success.

Now, allow me to answer a few of the possible replies that will no doubt come from immature US players and trolls:

"This is better, we don't want to play with terrible Mexicans like you" - I cannot wait for this change to take effect and for you to realize that terrible players have no nationality, you will still rage and want to break your monitor at the terrible US players you will be paired up with.

"Language barrier is fixed like this" - Hi, I'm Latin American and as you can see I'm writing a large post with minimal English misuses. And, if S2 allowed for region swaps at a price of like $20, only people who knew English would be willing to spend the money.

"I hate Latin Americans, so I don't want you playing with us" - Good for you, now have a cookie and live happy stuck in such a closed mindset.


Yours Sincerely,

-A passionate gamer and INDIE games supporter.
Nothing more to say.
Amen :mart: