6v6 Forest of Caldavar

[Deoin]

Making the Epic Battle Legendary
*I'm making a note here: I'm not trying to revolutionize HoN, just add an option ;)
Introduction
Hello everybody.

I know a good deal of people wanted to be able to play 6v6 DotA as a for fun mode.
My question is why Forest of Caldavar should be restricted to 5v5 play?
There should be few problems, if any, in the world to change this.

My suggestion is to have 5v5 as the default option but being able to change it to 6v6 or even 7v7.

(Increasing number of player limits could be done to Darwood Vale and Watchtower aswell)

Gameplay changes:


No solo lane necessarily, which will make another lane combination valuable but also increasing the benefits of having a jungler. This might even give space for a trilane, which I doubt many players here have seen useful before.
Roamers and gankers will be more useful due to 3 players being able to leave a lane without leaving it empty.
This would also benefit smaller LANs, if you are 6 people, you could all play in the same team. 7 players in the same team aswelll.
Did I mention the improved value of teamplay with greater teams?
How cool wouldn't it be getting a double or even a triple annhilation? :D

Suggestion

Colours:
1st Legion - - 1st Hellbourne
2nd Legion - - 2nd Hellbourne
3rd Legion - - 3rd Hellbourne
4th Legion - - 4th Hellbourne
5th Legion - - 5th Hellbourne
6th Legion - - 6th Hellbourne
7th Legion - - 7th Hellbourne
Feel free to give other examples. (Appreciated)

Sounds:
Not really needed, getting a double and a triple annhilation wouldn't be that often and not so bad, but for fun:
6 Kills: ..... just made a SLAUGHTER of his enemies
7 Kills: HOLY ****! (just as it used to be :D)
Feel free to give examples here aswell.

Thank you for your time
I greatly appreciate any form of feedback: comments, spelling, grammar, questions, reasons for voting, everything is appreciated...
And sorry for my bad language, English isn't my native language.

If you really feel like supporting this suggestion a little bit extra, comment and also make a link to it in your sig ;)

If you do, please explain why you dislike the suggestion, motivate. Nothing is more pathetic than a random T-D.

Q & A

Q: Why not make a new map?
A: Because this is an extremely easy option and doesn't waste resources.
Q: What if most players would prefer to play 6v6?
A: This will hopefully not be a problem, since 5v5 will be the default option and also the mode where balancing takes place.
Q: Will there be any problems with space for the new players?
A: No, Screenshots will come soon.

[br0wnie]

I approve

[Dosx]

No thanks. Make a new map - leave the basic dota rip alone.

[br0wnie]

It's not like it's going to affect the map, people can choose whether or not to play 6v6 on it, just like people can choose to play AR or EM.

[Deoin]

Yes, it's not going to.

Wonder how people can just drop in Vote no to an option that will only effect to the positive for those who want and nothing to those who do not want...


No thanks. Make a new map - leave the basic dota rip alone.
What? Make an exactly the same map just for one single option? Massive missuse of resources...

[Deoin]

Added a question to post.

More feedback please, comments, spelling, grammar, questions, reasons, everything is appreciated.

[Eliminator14]

I love the idea, but like said i would like the menu and things to still start on 5v5 so i don't have to change it every time i make a game but i would love a 6v6 option.

[Deoin]

So do I, that's why I said it should be normal, couldn't really find better words.

Now changed into default, will probably be the better word.

[Deoin]

Added part about double anhilation.

More feedback please

[Blazeinferno]

I'd like the option, but am worried it might become more popular than 5v5 for bigger groups of people. Would hate to see the solid balance of 5v5 skewed, but change is generally a good thing.

[Deoin]

Yes, that would indeed be a problem. Hopefully, letting 5v5 be the default option and the balancing should be enough to make people prefer 5v5 games.

[Deoin]

Added part about LAN.

[Deoin]

Space-question added.

[high61]

I don't understand how people can vote no to these things. If you don't like it, just don't vote yes and don't play it. There is no reason to vote no other then to be a jerk.

Anyways, I voted yes. I would love to see some more slots added to the game.

I can almost guarantee if the WC3 Engine supported more players thier would be more on the team. 6v6 would be fun...Even more maps with 8v8 would be great too.

People need to lose the dota mentality. Every day this game goes more AWAY from dota and into a new game.

[Deoin]

Coulours added. Feel free to give other examples, pics are coming soon.

[Azkalas]

Agreed. It's not something that can mess eberything up, and yes just a new mode option.

[SneakerXZ]

I like it.

[Johnny]

I can almost guarantee if the WC3 Engine supported more players thier would be more on the team. 6v6 would be fun...Even more maps with 8v8 would be great too.

People need to lose the dota mentality. Every day this game goes more AWAY from dota and into a new game.

^THIS Nothing more needs to be said.

[Mike_ox_long]

^THIS Nothing more needs to be said.

That.

[Deoin]

Got some layout into the suggestion.

[Birdulon]

I wish I hadn't missed those 14v14 games, they sounded fun. I'd love to see this in the game if only as a for-fun mode.

[Earplug]

Oh man starting gold would be a blast. who wants 64 starting gold lolz hahahahah

but do it...

i mean it do it now

[Thysios]

your 7th legion colour should be diff. Too similar to pink imo.

I wouldnt mind this as an option. Not for serious play but just for fun :)

6v6 only mid all random same hero. hahaha

[Hat_Truck]

I can almost guarantee if the WC3 Engine supported more players thier would be more on the team. 6v6 would be fun...This is incorrect. 6v6 was possible on the W3 engine and many people pushed for it just like right now. IceFrog denied it for fear of it ripping the community apart.

[Deoin]

This is incorrect. 6v6 was possible on the W3 engine and many people pushed for it just like right now. IceFrog denied it for fear of it ripping the community apart.

Correct, that's the reason why I didn't take this into the main post, but still, there was a VAST amount of players who actively read the topic and supported it. HoN should be able to do what DotA couldn't.

By the way there aren't too many text colours available in this forum, I shall make an image to get some better coulours.

[MrSnowman]

Dun give a ****. 2-2-2 lanes? Don't like it. Mid should be special.

[Deoin]

Dun give a ****. 2-2-2 lanes? Don't like it. Mid should be special.

This would only be an option... you mustn't play -force random if you don't want to...

And yes this could make mid more special, due to increased roaming or jungling or trilanes...

[Deoin]

Won't be able to update the suggestion for a while, but keep the comments coming, I will respond/update the suggestion later.

[fungee]

Why so srs? Could be fun.

[serrath]

I like it, but I urge you to only change one color.

[Severon]

7th legion and 1st hellbourne would be way to close in color, maybe a few others....T-down....


Alright I"m joking, I like the idea:)

[Fieri]

Why not on watchtower instead? That map is huge.

[Deoin]

And I'm back, and I know they're both pink I'm gonna fix them soon, and of course this could be done to Watchtower aswell

Sound and text for kills: plz give more thoughts
Same goes for colours

[durr__okay]

You could just make it a separate map with the level editor, which shouldn't be too difficult.

DotA 6v6 was already quite retarded in my opinion, I doubt this will be different.

I'm fine with it as a fun custom map, similar to an OMG mode being the same map but a bit adjusted, but don't let this get an official mode.

[Deoin]

You could just make it a separate map with the level editor, which shouldn't be too difficult.

DotA 6v6 was already quite retarded in my opinion, I doubt this will be different.

I'm fine with it as a fun custom map, similar to an OMG mode being the same map but a bit adjusted, but don't let this get an official mode.

It's meant to be fun, not to be official. It has been written sometimes aswell as the fact that creating a new map for this option only is a massive missuse of resources. The fact that it is kinda easy to fix isjust another reason to let it be the same map.

I fully respect your opinion but it would be nice too hear your reasoning for thinking it is retarded.

[durr__okay]

I don't know, I'm actually quite happy with the 2v2 - 1v1 - 2v2 situation, or variations depending on junglers.

I just think a 6v6 map takes the tactical component of the solo lane as a heavy ganker and replaces it with another standard 2v2 lane.

Tbh I didn't play the DotA 6v6 more than a couple times so maybe I'm totally wrong and there's something I'm completely missing.

But as I said, as long as it stays completely optional I'm fine with it. Everyone should have his fun.

Also, I think that mode, or map, will come in any case.
If S2 doesn't support it there will be people that bring these projects to life as a custom map.

[Deoin]

5v5 is great, will always be the best setup of players. Sill there are peoples who play 3v3 and 4v4 for their own reasons, some players like that would also like to play 6v6 for their own reason, maybe numbers.

6v6 doesn't necesarily remove this tactical component, but change it drastically. For example you might see a slither going woods to gain the benefit of a sololane, or having a dual-midlane with gankers where they take turns in ganking, being two half-soloers. and maybe even a trilane...

Yeah it most likely will come in any case, as long as S2 not sets up a max number of players (like wc3 had 12)

[DinamicSamm]

the game 5vs5 is the best choise for me :)

[Deoin]

the game 5vs5 is the best choise for me :)
For most people, but this is an option, just like playing 3v3

[serrath]

I like the idea of having this as an option, but I'm a little worried the normal maps wouldn't accommodate this sort of gameplay. Definitely yes, but I'd like bigger maps for it.

[Deoin]

Yeah, you're probably right. Hopefully, bigger maps will come in the future.

[STINGER]

good idea , I approve :)

[Yzorderex]

We should have 10v10 and mabye even 5v5v5v5 4 team maps.

[OhBob]

Not only that.

My biggest disapointment on s2 (2 biggest, I hate paying for playing) was the number of maps. Three maps is something a wc3 terrainer can do in a day, I really expected s2 to develop more and more playing maps, even if just for fun, once players don't use World Editor (is it already on? I haven't premium account yet, can't use it). If I had pre-purchased, be sure I'd use it =p

[Ophelia]

There was a DOTA 6v6 that was an unofficial rip of the game. It was mayhem, but well worth it. Having 2 to a lane made things a lot more intense and IMO a lot more skill/synergy needed when setting up the lanes. The games ALWAYS filled up withing 10 seconds. I say yes, unequivocally.

[Deoin]

Thank you for all your opinions, although I doubt 5v5v5v5 would really look good in the lobby/loadscreen. We need more positive votes, so plz don't just vote randomly no.

[Deoin]

Bump...

And by the way, the FE-userface has merely showed us how simple one could gain space for additional players.

[ugapa]

why limit yourself to 6v6, make it 30v30 while youre at it

[Deoin]

I haven't stated that there should be any limit at all, but trying to be reasonable I think that 6v6 (and 7v7) could do well at the current state of things.

[Gumbie]

Voted yes. I love this idea.

[Feedtastic]

I would only play 5v5 anyway.
when the map editor comes out you will probably be able to create a 6v6+
I don't value having too many game options. Think there are plenty already (too many, like wtf hardcore)

[Deoin]

You're perfectly right Feedtastic, but, as it is, there seem to be a chance for HoN to have a restriction to 5v5 in the current interface. This suggestion is not only for the option to play 6v6 (which would not be a "new" option, you can already scroll between game sizes) but also for the ability to create games bigger.
To not make HoN have such a restriction that Warcraft has for 12 players.

[Flardan]

This is one mode I happily endorse. ^^ And one I hope to see in the future. <3

And 6v6 is just a stepping stone... 30v30.... Now that would be epic legendary. :D This would indeed create the chaos that people need to let loose in now and then. XD

[Kzod]

This is an epic idea.
Opinions like Feedtastic's disgust me,
I don't value having too many game options.OPTIONS is the keyword. It's just an OPTION. You will still play 5 vs 5 if this is implemented. If you don't like it, don't play it, you won't even know it's there.



If you're just going to flame the thread with no arguments, don't even post...

[GauntElakor]

If only for the reason that its an option im gona vote yes

But then I started imagining a 30v30 game (on a HUGE map off course) and that would be even more awesome, War of Newerth, only one thing... in the event of a 30v30 game, only people with awesome computers could play, it would be 60 heroes selected(around half atm i think?), the chaos, oh lord the chaos, there would be kills ALL the time.

My response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY

[Pwn]

Every hero played full out legion ve hellborne 15 people in a lane for each team do it.

[TheRancorr]

Refer to my thread and vote for it! Same sort of thing.

[Kraphty]

I voted no because of this:

Though the suggestions could be implemented without much changing the game. I would rather S2 work on other aspects of the game. When custom map making comes out, i'm sure some of the community could make this. But the focus should be elsewhere currently.

[SunRage]

good ideeA

[AWOL`]

I vote for No. Because:

We still havent got OMG mode, neither map editor and once map editor is done any of you can edit kaldavar to 6v6.

[Teboga]

I'm on board with the idea, and it seems that a lot of people are too :)

But I don't see this getting implemented into the game, since this game is full of dotards (specially on the dev side) that wont dare do change the sacred dota map.

I just hope we get the map editor soon so we can implement changes like this (and maybe more zoom :) ) into the caldavar map.

Cheers...

[Califa]

All I can think of are quadlanes

[rayven]

In before quadlanes.













Ps. This idea is retarded

[zINTEL]

lol, that could be nice :)

[Ahimtar]

I can almost guarantee if the WC3 Engine supported more players thier would be more on the team. 6v6 would be fun...Even more maps with 8v8 would be great too.

People need to lose the dota mentality. Every day this game goes more AWAY from dota and into a new game.

you are the one who said it best. if it was possible in war3 to have a 6v6 or MOREvMORE fights, ther will definitely be. but people are just stuck in dota and they dont want nothing new, afraid that... the game will be better? idk why this should not be implemented...