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Zhnid
07-22-2009, 05:07 PM
Arachna's ult seems to have LOS problems, not sure if this was intended but after losing LOS it just sits there and does nothing.

Conscripted
07-22-2009, 05:10 PM
I agree, it should follow like Legion and Hellborne creep spawns

Nome
07-22-2009, 05:16 PM
Arachna overall is a pretty bad hero. She doesn't have Drow's damage output or silence, and doesn't have the lane control or damage output that Viper has.

Ryno2112
07-22-2009, 05:43 PM
actually, I think her lane control is amazing. with precision+orb walk I keep most enemies at bay.

I -hate- her second skill though. I don't really level it at all. it's really useless imo she doesn't need magic damage reduction she needs a silence or magic immunity.

Slapdashzzz
07-22-2009, 05:47 PM
I feel arachna is a overrall solid hero, but the fact you can LOS her ult is just awful..

cios
07-22-2009, 05:54 PM
It'd probably be better if silence was added back to her.

Nome
07-22-2009, 05:56 PM
actually, I think her lane control is amazing. with precision+orb walk I keep most enemies at bay.

I -hate- her second skill though. I don't really level it at all. it's really useless imo she doesn't need magic damage reduction she needs a silence or magic immunity.

She has no HP, and can't defend against a proper nuker without spamming regen or pumping her armor, which takes skill to time anyway. Viper sidestepped this by having good passives and because his orb actually adds damage. If an Arachna tried to orbwalk me I'd just duke it out because I know I do more damage with spells.

`Shifty
07-22-2009, 06:22 PM
Arachna needs a serious buff. I was in a game yesterday where we had one on our team and the other team let her farm all game and she ended up being good, but still not as good as a scout, madman, magebane, etc. who would have farmed anywhere near that much. Her slow is a slow, but it doesn't add damage or anything. Her second skill is good for her survivability. Her ult seems useless sometimes.

I'd say buff her orb to add a bit of damage or slow a bit more, give her a slight str buff and increase her ult also.

willtsay
07-22-2009, 06:26 PM
change her back to normal drow and make a new hero out of arachnas extra skills :P

large problem is her orb gets creep aggro, or did they change that XP

only thing ive found the carapace thingy good force is like reducing the assassination damage cuz you Know when its coming XP.

Her 2 new skills are the ones that need buffing, that and stat growth maybe. if carapace was passive along with giving phys armor and more damage/slow on ult or something.

At best i'd like to see old drow XD

Ryno2112
07-22-2009, 06:37 PM
tbh, I'd rather the spider wasn't an actual spider. more of she throws a spider on the target, spider latches and does DoT damage and slows. as well as the true sight. Ult seems a bit weak to me now that I think about it.

PinkFlamingo
07-23-2009, 12:53 AM
She is plenty good. Her attack animation is the best in the game. No range hero can out last hit her, and no melee hero can lane verse her as her orb allows for endless harassing. After more heroes are added she may need a buff, but right now no hero can compete with her in solo.

For evidence, two games in a row tonight she solo'd, one where I was playing has her, and another playing against her and both times she dominated the solo and ended up being very strong. I don't know the match I.D, but this was at around 10 tonight.

Nome
07-23-2009, 01:07 AM
She is plenty good. Her attack animation is the best in the game. No range hero can out last hit her, and no melee hero can lane verse her as her orb allows for endless harassing. After more heroes are added she may need a buff, but right now no hero can compete with her in solo.

For evidence, two games in a row tonight she solo'd, one where I was playing has her, and another playing against her and both times she dominated the solo and ended up being very strong. I don't know the match I.D, but this was at around 10 tonight.

Thunderbringer would stick his wooly Lightning Rod in her face and Blast of Lightning her repeatedly until she threw up.

Travakh
07-23-2009, 01:22 AM
The second skill is useful for peeling off debuffs, take one level in it to avoid getting pasted into the ground by maledict.

Otherwise arachna's not a very good hero, just a carry platform.

FuzzyWuzzy
07-23-2009, 04:37 AM
Drow >>>>> Arachna any day

And Drow was not picked that much in Dota because she had no HP, what does that tell you about Arachna? Btw anyone know if the Magic Resistance trick works in HoN (getting Hood first and leveling Spell Shield/Flesh Heap/Corrosive Skin afterwards)?

ubidat
07-23-2009, 05:09 AM
True, drow does > arachna...
I find her ulti pretty useless, and suggest a re-work/re-make :P
As for her other skills they're fine...

-ubi

Glorify1
07-23-2009, 05:12 AM
Arachna is a drow with no attack animation whatsoever. You can throw out an attack and now even move if you do it properly, not even a flinch. Her skills are alright, her aura is actually what is making her so weak. She doesn't need damage, it's not what she's there for, another activateable would prove far more useful.

HonStinks
07-23-2009, 05:40 AM
Btw anyone know if the Magic Resistance trick works in HoN (getting Hood first and leveling Spell Shield/Flesh Heap/Corrosive Skin afterwards)?It seems the order in which you buy the hood or get the skills is irrelevant, it all stacks regardless. At least with devourer I got flesh heap first and still got the magic armor from hood after which I took more flesh heap and it all just adds up.

There is a microscopical icon next to the hero avatar from where you can check your current magic armor.

Darwin
07-23-2009, 10:46 AM
the ult need to be LOS-proof and chase at max move speed, just way to gay when madman seguchi's away from it.

the second skill, i like mostly because it removes debuffs, but its only really worth one point for that.
i say make the magic resistance passive [and decreased] and then be able to click the skill to drop debuffs off you.

Dergeist
07-23-2009, 11:02 AM
I've posted this elsewhere, but since this is a new thread in the appropriate forum....

Arachna is solid as is. Slow and aura are what they are and don't need to be changed.

Hardened carapace is awesome for survivability. You can easily tank Moon/Scout/Pyro/Zeus/Tort or any other nuker ults/skills and take near 0 damage. Add the buff remove and put it all on a short cd and you have an awesome survivability skill. Silence works in almost the same way by negating casters, but I like the flexibility this gives you to tank something and make them waste the cd rather than just preventing it from happening. In other words, once silence is over, you can still get nuked. Please do not change.

I also don't understand the hate on the ult. At level 3, you have a 30 sec dot/slow that does 500+ dmg and is also currently the best counter in the game for stealthed units. LOS problem needs to be fixed if that's true, but I haven't noticed that personally.

Cheese
07-24-2009, 02:27 AM
Arachna is a drow with no attack animation whatsoever. You can throw out an attack and now even move if you do it properly, not even a flinch.

I haven't played Arachna, but being able to frost arrow chase at level 1 would take Drow from crap to hilariously imbalanced.

_Archangel_
07-24-2009, 04:18 AM
Arachna overall is a pretty bad hero. She doesn't have Drow's damage output or silence, and doesn't have the lane control or damage output that Viper has.

Agree that her lack of Silence hurts, and her Carapace thing is pretty useless unless your opponents have Zeus/Pyro. On the other hand, her web thing doesn't count as an orb. You can stack Shieldbreaker or Nullfire Blade with it. (Especially Shieldbreaker - Desolator would be my first damage item for Drow if it stacked with Frost Arrows). On top of that her attack animation is like Sniper's. I'd say that she's actually not too bad. My only issue with Arachna is that her Spider dies too fast

FiNGERS
07-24-2009, 04:21 AM
Arachna is a drow with no attack animation whatsoever. You can throw out an attack and now even move if you do it properly, not even a flinch. Her skills are alright, her aura is actually what is making her so weak. She doesn't need damage, it's not what she's there for, another activateable would prove far more useful.

This.

Draddock
07-24-2009, 05:53 AM
*Shameless promoting of my own suggestion*

There's a nice suggestion here (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=4208) that I personally think would be able to put Arachna back into the higher tier of carry heroes. Bump it for justice.