Swiftblade (Swift Slashes)

[exigent]

Omnislash is OP! Discuss.




First.

[FabilichuS]

Omnislash is the same as in dota... not overpowerd... but zephyrs tornados on the other hand is IMBA... thats like korb ulti whit no mana cost and no Cool down. Must be revoked or a timer on the tornados

[Verne]

Not that OP if you move with creeps and/or your team.

[exigent]

Well, in DOTA it seems that OS hits anything that's around, including creeps. In HoN, OS seems to only hit heroes and the target of OS.

[FabilichuS]

Yes looks like it do hit the heros alot, maybe just make it total random if its more than 1 unit and its fixed...

[Vadi]

Sorry... who is Omnislash?

[Raspyn]

Sorry... who is Omnislash?

Swiftblade's ultimate, I believe.

[cripling]

It's the ulti of swiftblade (yurnero)

[Tawa]

Omnislash can be pretty OP with a couple of Rune Axe.

[Urizen]

Omni slash can be op when i lothars/blink/cyclone myself etc get over it

[Ryno2112]

I've noticed it only hits heroes as well. It should be random whether it hits heroes are creeps, that's the reason it was balanced in DotA.

[sockety]

Can I get some confirmation on whether or not swiftblade can attack in between omnislashes?

[dxbydt]

Omni really isn't op, it's the same as dota. What is op is that swiftblade has 4 offensive abilities instead of 3 and 1 support abil. He's just too strong on his own and he forces you to run, once you run away from creep he omnis you and gg. Take away his counter and put back the ward or something similar and he's fine.


Can I get some confirmation on whether or not swiftblade can attack in between omnislashes?

Yes he can attack inbetween.

[Fr4nkc45tl3]

I also think that it either ONLY hits heroes or barely ever targets creeps.

Saw a swiftblade ult at a hero with 6+ of his creeps around and only hit the hero.

[Unnatural]

I don't know where you guys see that it only hits heroes. Maybe i'm just unlucky, but it seems like i get the worst possible omnislashes if there are creeps around. I don't think I have ever hit a hero more than once if theres a group of creeps around, even at level 3.

[IceD1]

It doesn't only hit heroes, some of you clearly aren't paying attention or are lucking out and having all hits target the same person.

[BleBla]

swiftblade can use omnislash and whirlwind at the same time, this is OP or bug :/

[Unnatural]

swiftblade can use omnislash and whirlwind at the same time, this is OP or bug :/


Really? Thats actually pretty funny. But, if hes using WW at the same time, it would mean he isnt attacking in between slashes, which wouldn't be very good for late game. It also burns his spell immunity.

[tagg1080]

Omnislash isn't OP, it is just situational. Just like the Lich's Ult from DotA, if there are two heroes, they are dead, no matter what. With omnislash, if there is just you, your screwed.

[Tenet]

It does hit creeps unless it's bugged, which I doubt.

The target-jump range isn't your entire screen though, I've caught people outside of it plenty of times - all it takes is one bad movement and you can unload without jumping to creeps.

[Pr0phecy]

He seems to hit outside of the animation range which is really annoying.

[Illyrian]

It's a bit buggy, I've seen him warp through trees and hit neutral creeps, get stranded and killed.

If you just blink away, stand by creeps, pop a shield or something it's a useless mana dump.

[Baggiez]

I really don't think he should be invincible during Omnislash. Between that and a spin he has near 10 seconds of magic immunity, plus a HEFTY amount of damage.

[KatyPerry]

Swiftblade (Juggernaut) is like Moon Queen (Luna). If you're dumb, their Ultimate will kill you. If you're smart, you'll just run around your creeps not getting hit by Swiftblades Whirlwind and/or Omnislash.

Also remember to buy boots when laning against him, because most players tend to buy boots with him to Whirlwind you to death.

[Primax]

Swiftblade (Juggernaut) is like Moon Queen (Luna). If you're dumb, their Ultimate will kill you. If you're smart, you'll just run around your creeps not getting hit by Swiftblades Whirlwind and/or Omnislash.

Also remember to buy boots when laning against him, because most players tend to buy boots with him to Whirlwind you to death.

I was about to post, but this guy said exactly what I was going to say.

If you're dumb, the ultimate will kill you. The best way to handle his ultimate is to not be dumb...

[willtsay]

top 2 posters are correct, if you are careful about not 1v1ing either of the 2 without creep support obviously you are going to get raped.

if they ever implement lich im betting there is gonna be like 50 million threads on how his ult is too imba, its impossible to lane against him because he has a mana ability thats better than nymph's and good supporting ability due to zomg amounts of armor XD

[T_winins]

Omnislash in Hon is definitely different than DotA in the way it hits creeps or heroes. Maybe it has a lower tolerance for creep hits, maybe the slash has smaller range, but in many games i have noticed it tags heroes, or the hero targeted way more than in DotA. In DotA you had to really be isolated with the target or youd skip over to a distant wave and only hit once. In HoN, I have seen Jug consistantly nail the target hero for 100% hits with enemy creeps very close by.

[Schneider]

The Omnislash is REALLY nerfed i HoN. Here it takes a certain amout of dmg every hit. In dota it takes the amount that he has in dmg, you could even stun with craniumbasher during an omnislash. I have even launched chainlightning during an omnislash in dota.

That isnt possible here, because it isn´t his attack, he just makes an animation and deals a certain amount of dmg.

[Killroy]

In dota with enough attack speed items you could make some in between slashes but those were maybe 1-2 per ulti. Swiftblade's ulti is powerfull but not overpowered at all if you ask me especially since those in between slashes have been removed.

[Fuse]

The Omnislash is REALLY nerfed i HoN. Here it takes a certain amout of dmg every hit. In dota it takes the amount that he has in dmg, you could even stun with craniumbasher during an omnislash. I have even launched chainlightning during an omnislash in dota.

That isnt possible here, because it isn´t his attack, he just makes an animation and deals a certain amount of dmg.
Um, but 10*250 = 2500 damage (or whatever the calculation is, it's massive), and you don't need to reach that damage yourself - so you can head for life gear instead! I don't think that's a nerf.

[Verne]

I too have noticed that in HoN Swift Slashes (Omnislash) seems to stick to heroes and especially the original target instead of hitting targets randomly near the original. Could there be some bug or typo in the random target algorithm or something that causes it favour the original target?

[Rhaegor]

Omnislash hits anything hostile or neutral in range. To all the people saying it only hits heroes, they are either ignorant or lying. I almost exclusively play Swiftblade and can attest that I must wait until all NPCs are dead, or I chase the enemy hero away from all other hostiles and/or NPCs.

[Verne]

I'm not saying it only hits heroes but compared to DotA, it hits non-heroes much much (= noticeably) less.

[Lethe]

The Omnislash is REALLY nerfed i HoN. Here it takes a certain amout of dmg every hit. In dota it takes the amount that he has in dmg, you could even stun with craniumbasher during an omnislash. I have even launched chainlightning during an omnislash in dota.

That isnt possible here, because it isn´t his attack, he just makes an animation and deals a certain amount of dmg.

In dota it had the same fixed damage, there were just extra hits that jug could hit based on extra ias.

AFAIK it is the same in HoN, and even if it isn't, swift slashes is still a very powerful ult.

[WinD_1nside]

In this game Swiftslashes does not use the hero's damage and uses the set amount of 150-250 and rune blade (The cleave item) does not work. Also in Dota, Jugg can get an actual auto attack in if he has enough IAS, not the case in this game.

[Tenrou]

I believe omnislash in HoN is stronger than the one in dota. In dota, omnislash does a mini-stun on the first slash, whereas in HoN, omnislash does a mini-stun on every slash. I have seen it happened while I was using SA. Because of the way SA's invisible works in HoN, once swiftblade see a SA alone, he can just omnislash without worrying about his invisible.

[Tyrando]

Sorry... who is Omnislash?

-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxcDGeNOeMk

Had to be done!

[Tenrou]

-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxcDGeNOeMk

Had to be done!

Now that is the definition of OP

[Friender]

Omnislash is op in one way, it's too fast!
in dota, you can dodge some slashes with creeps, or run to the creeps and dodge 1 or 2 slashes, but here is just a click and youre dead!
thats my opinion :)

[ma5]

I watched an omni slash targeted on me only hit me with all hits even with 2 allies and allied creep around me... super unlucky? =/

[Loyrl1]

It doesn't target just heroes, and it does get interrupted by walking up a ramp and blinking behind trees (going into fog of war which is really annoying).

[Hibi1]

Omni slash is the last thing I'd call OP. Just stand next to creeps and it does almost nothing usually...

[GotPho1]

I also think that it either ONLY hits heroes or barely ever targets creeps.

Saw a swiftblade ult at a hero with 6+ of his creeps around and only hit the hero.

He must've been extremely lucky.