Noob heroes...

[Guerillero]

Hello... Since hon free is there are many who pick Legionaire Armadon Zeph and heroes that are easy to play..

How the hell should I counter them ? I play 3v3....

[pechkin]

to counter arma you need abyssal skull(or atleast 500 g ring) + bulwark with +armor, same goes for legio. To counter zephyr you can use demented shaman.

[Guerillero]

The problem is that he can Farm very easy.. Some games ago He just ran from lane to lane and we couldnt catch him.. He got fat and we lost. If we dont kill him he gets fat. He doesnt give a chance to farm.. When he comes he uses 2 spells and im dead...

[Nyandex]

HoN isn't really balanced for 3v3, but :BarrierIdol: and :BarbedArmor: help against :zeph:

[kessu1]

Shrunken against zephyr.

Focusing legio's / arma's team first. Also +armor helps alot against them.

[Suicidejuker]

Pick torturer lvl1 stun Max IMPALEMENT max 3rd skill (dont lvl ult untill lvl 10 and 11)
PUSH tower BEFORE they get beefy.
If they to fight u w/o their creeps, use impalement and rape them.

[Suicidejuker]

And remember, sometimes is not about outkilling enemys or outfarming them.
Against some teams you need to push before they get strong enough to stop your pushing.

[Guerillero]

Okay.. Thanks for your Replies... Is it better to play 5v5 or 3v3 ??

[Valtieri]

The game is balanced around 5v5 exclusively. 3v3 can be fun, but you more or less shouldn't expect balanced games.

[Dany_Fantasy]

torturer is hard to play. dont pick him if u dont feel comfortable with him.

valk´s leap,bub´s shell surf and cover hide,hag´s blink or a simple tablet of command are great tools to counter all three heroes listed.
if arma slows you->just blink/leap away.
if legio charges you->disjoint it with leap/cover hide.
if zeph ults->blink/leap away.


there are many guides about countering arma.
heres a summary:
-get armor(ring of the teacher,bulwark)
-get power supply

legio,zeph and arma are pretty good junglers,thats why you should ward their jungle and gank ´em whenever u can.
wards also prevents u from getting ganked.

[Suicidejuker]

Yes, because disjoint is WAY easier then clicking impalement and follow scrubs to death.

[Dany_Fantasy]

Yes, because disjoint is WAY easier then clicking impalement and follow scrubs to death.

torturer is everything but to "follow scrubs to death".

u as tort have a very difficult stun to land(compared to others heroes stuns),u cant "follow scrubs to death" if they are near tower or if the enemies creeps are around(coz than impalement deals much less dmg). so positionplay is important,too.
tort is very farm dependant hero but he cant farm unless he got some items so once u fck up early/mid game its very difficult to catch up again.

i for myself enjoy tort and hes indeed a very powerful hero and impalement is one of the greatest skills in hon,but trust me: "one does not apply tort to everybody".

[Tommysmamma]

Since the vast majority of all players play 5v5, naturally this is where balance testing / patching occurs. As stated above: 3v3 maybe fun, but never as balanced as 5v5. If all you want to do is play some 3v3 with your mates, ofcourse go ahead! Just keep in mind that some things will be rather unbalanced. For better or for worse. Some heroes, such as those you mentioned, will be extremely fat in 3v3 unless you are able to focus them down early and locking them down, preventing them from farming. Shieldbreaker will inevitably be the best counter you can get for them (offensivly) along with Sol's or even a demonic as the lowered armor is well needed for killing them. Early on you will want to pick up a few defensive items such as power supply, vestment, ring of the teacher and usually a Helm of the black legion.

[Th3Vo1D]

The game is balanced around normal 5v5 so unless you are trolling just don't play 3v3.
Anyways against arma a simple power supply will own him, against zeph get a early vestment, and harass him with his low hp pool, vs legionnaire gank him once on 3:30 or somewhere there and his GPM is ruined.
also a tip of advice on my native language : Започни да се къпиш.

[Malefication]

3v3 is incredibly broken, and high health heroes are waaaaaaaaay better in 3v3 than in 5v5. Some of these heroes are Legionnaire, Armadon and Zephyr, so it's no wonder you're having problems with them.


The fewer players there are in the game, the less dps there is available. HP of tanky heroes doesn't decrease with player count, however, so HP/survivability becomes far better in 3v3 than it is in 5v5 due to less damage -> harder to kill them.

Pesti/Predator are decent picks against the three heroes you mentioned though, but they don't have as much innate survivability as Legio/Arma/Zeph, so if you don't get a good early game you might end up being rolled by them anyways due to them becoming dangerous before Pesti/Pred do.

[Thila]

sorry do not know if this is where I report this problem because I can not open topics nowhere more simply took a crash and my game, and Bugo the game. I had 3 minutes to get back out of nothing and simply removed from the game I was taking LEAVE, I would not be considered

grateful!

[Suicidejuker]

torturer is everything but to "follow scrubs to death".

u as tort have a very difficult stun to land(compared to others heroes stuns),u cant "follow scrubs to death" if they are near tower or if the enemies creeps are around(coz than impalement deals much less dmg). so positionplay is important,too.
tort is very farm dependant hero but he cant farm unless he got some items so once u fck up early/mid game its very difficult to catch up again.

i for myself enjoy tort and hes indeed a very powerful hero and impalement is one of the greatest skills in hon,but trust me: "one does not apply tort to everybody".

Imo tort can be played easily, he is playing versus people totally bad, trust be, those u can follow to death.

And if u cant hit a tort stun into someone in your own bracket, you are being outplayed and you should be on a lower bracket.

[Suicidejuker]

Actually, you shouldnt focus on picking a counter.
Watch some of those replays, try to look what you did wrong, what you could have done.
This will improve you as player.
Ofc countering heroes is important because gives you advantage, but if you can outplay them, no matter the picks, you will have a better chance of winning.

[R0XAS]

Biggest Counter to Armadon = Power Supply

[Suture]

Its obvious half the people here have either never played vs a good arma and/or never been in a 3v3 match.

First of all for arma, PS is exceptionally good. So is a TP in case he starts chasing and you are playing a hero with no escapes.

Secondly, he will harass with spikes, never get more than 2 stacks. The first and second are quite low damage, but the third hurts, and anything above that is huge damage for almost no mana. If you have 2 stacks, stay out of range, don't get hit by a third.

And when it comes to 3v3, torturer, keeper and tempest. You just won the game. As it has been said, 3v3 is not balanced at all. 2 lanes, with only 1 defensive tower followed by a single base tower per lane? Get level 6-7 and group up, push the base.

Zeph, Legio, Arma can all be countered/nuked down fairly easy by a good team, but thats balanced on 5 players. If you are 3 vs a farmed zeph, you lose utility and damage, making it so much harder. But then again, you are OP when it comes to pushing early cause all the 3 you mentioned take time to take off, and with 3 people there are 2 people less defending each tower.