The most horrible item builds you've seen

[Taffer]

I'm not talking about getting Riftshards on Madman, I am talking about the worst of the worst.

I played a game and I was simply appalled by the fact that our Jere got no mana/survivability/support items, instead opting for (take a deep breath) Assassins shroud and Riftshards. The F***?!

He'd go invisible, stab someone in the back and heal/repel himself after that and usually die. On top of that he NEVER used heal on us except when we were close enough to a dying enemy so he could get the kill.

Share yours.

[sieneh]

Swiftblade with hellflower.

Apparently, I was the noob "Who only blinks in and ultis", on magmus, with a score of 9:5:20 something vs his 7:12:6.

His buddy was an equally terrible hellbringer, who got boots around the 25 min mark.

[Taffer]

Hahah, well, while SB with hellflower is funny, I think the stealth assassin jereziah still beats him in the retardation department :D

P.S. mods could you move this to general discussion, I accidently posted it in strategy.

[Lolololage]

I lego with TWO helms of the black legion.

Thank god he was on the other team, it was just a 4v5 with him being completely ignored lol.

[GODLY]

I lego with TWO helms of the black legion.

Thank god he was on the other team, it was just a 4v5 with him being completely ignored lol.
I **** you not I've seen a tree man buy 4. He had that, boots and for some reason an unused monkey courier. He must have thought it looked cute.

[Reonhato]

all the idiots who think hellflower is a good item for madman make me laugh

[Taffer]

I **** you not I've seen a tree man buy 4. He had that, boots and for some reason an unused monkey courier. He must have thought it looked cute.

LOL. 4?! BTW 1 out of 3 legos I play with goes for 2xHelms :D

[crazysheep]

Talking about 2x Helm of Black Legion, I've seen a Plague Rider get that. No Staff of the Master, no Astrolabe. Marchers and 2x Helm of Black Legion.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Torturer with Assassin's Shroud

Beat that! :D

We won 4v5 with him on my team too :D

[Blaat]

Back in DotA times, i saw a Nerubian Weaver who was building Dagon. After 35 mins he had boots and lvl 1 Dagon.. and a 0 - 18 score.

[powerofsk]

A Thunderbringer going boots first then proceeding to build Whispering Helm. His skillbuild was maxing chain lightning/lightning rod and putting points in attributes instead of his primary nuke.

[SUBS]

I'm not talking about getting Riftshards on Madman, I am talking about the worst of the worst.

I played a game and I was simply appalled by the fact that our Jere got no mana/survivability/support items, instead opting for (take a deep breath) Assassins shroud and Riftshards. The F***?!

He'd go invisible, stab someone in the back and heal/repel himself after that and usually die. On top of that he NEVER used heal on us except when we were close enough to a dying enemy so he could get the kill.

Share yours.


ive seen this aswell, after questioning him - why hes a complete and utter ****ing idiot, he told us with cleave can do 4k crits!, was working towards a doombringer next afaik.

also he seemed to like to use his ultimate sorta after the damage had been done, like 1-2 secs after the hero of ours that had been on 200 hp for the last quarter of the fight had just died.

it seriously makes pub games a lot harder when u got someone who plays the power house that is Jeraziah not just badly but completely wrong.

[Pyrate]

Nighthound with Shroud

Arachna with Runed Axe

The 2x Boots is always a good one as well

[Onesierra]

Tempest with Assassins Shroud instead of Portal Key, Hack and Runed Axe. Beat that.

[emiltheboy]

Puppet master with enhanced marchers and post-haste was pretty awesome

[bobyahoo]

Blacksmith with refresher!

[UltimaXtreme]

Blacksmith with refresher!

8x multicast doesnt sound too bad

[Reonhato]

Tempest with Assassins Shroud instead of Portal Key, Hack and Runed Axe. Beat that.
i got assassins shroud with tempest the other day coz the only disable the other team had was panda dude but i also had portal key and refresher.

[Onesierra]

i got assassins shroud with tempest the other day coz the only disable the other team had was panda dude but i also had portal key and refresher.Shroud is ok after you got PK and Refresher... as an escape item. But that Tempest got it as first item and went for Hack & Slash and Runed Axe afterwards. Needless to say we lost that game cause he couldnt initiate very well...

[Geometry]

8x multicast doesnt sound too bad

One of my mates did this, actually worked out better than expected

[tchiseen]

One of my mates did this, actually worked out better than expected
One time I got a refresher for torturer ult, I was teh pwn.

[Torturer]

Arachna with Staff of the Masters.
Nnuf said.

[jay`t]

i had a nymphora with ~3~ behemoth hearts.

and the person then asked

WTF HEARTS DONT STACK

[Nani`]

Always a good laugh is the not to uncommon runed axed......wait for it.......MAGMUS!
Also, last night i played with a ophelia with whispering helmet. he was actually pretty good, he simply didnt know how to play her. excuseable, since no one rly plays her

P.S: Forgot to mention he did it solely for lthe life steal i think, since he didnt control any creeps

[jay`t]

ophelia with whispering helmet is good since you can get more than 3 creepies and the whispering dominated creeps get your command aura

[Taffer]

Yeah oph gets it for more creeps, lifesteal's just a bonus.

[Sephinator]

Magebane with assassins's shroud and Post haste.

[eoLithic]

Legionnare: HACK n Slash DPS Build
Thunderbringer: Portal Key
Valkyre: 2 pairs of Enhanced Marchers

[Janac]

A thunderbringer with insanitarius. We lost.

[Taffer]

Portal key is ok on TB when he has his core. He has no escape mechanisms after all. But insanitarius is LOL.

[Nolifer]

Wretched Hag with Abbysal skull and Enhanced marchers at 40 mins...

[HBRD]

Swiftblade at level 14 with the following:

Level 2 whirlwind
Level 1 crit
Level 2 Omnislash
Level 9 stats
Boots
Staff of the Master
4x Iron Shield

[sHoWTiMe]

Swiftblade at level 14 with the following:

Level 2 whirlwind
Level 1 crit
Level 2 Omnislash
Level 9 stats
Boots
Staff of the Master
4x Iron Shield

rofl

@rest of the thread: lmfao.

[Glorify1]

SnY pyro, I played it.

[sneakysob]

Every single day I pub, I find a new most horrible build.

So I'll just focus on one of today's game I suppose.

50 minute game, glacius has enh marchers and a greater totem.

/thread

[blueseph]

Every single day I pub, I find a new most horrible build.

So I'll just focus on one of today's game I suppose.

50 minute game, glacius has enh marchers and a greater totem.

/thread

eh. that's kind of excusable if he was ward *****. you can't really expect glacius to do much more than provide aura and ult to slow their team.

on topic: legionnaire with bracers (opening item), boots, 2x pickled brains.

skill build:
taunt: 4
terrify: 4
whirling blade: 0
decapitate: 2
stats: 3

[Bobdoyle]

Tempest with Assassins Shroud instead of Portal Key, Hack and Runed Axe. Beat that.

Assassins Shroud is a substitute for Portal Key if you think you'd have trouble intiating so thats understandable

[Onesierra]

Assassins Shroud is a substitute for Portal Key if you think you'd have trouble intiating so thats understandableHow could you have trouble initiating when u would have Portal Key? Even if you port in, use 3rd skill then ult you should be faster than anyone can react unless you play against real reaction gods... Portal Key is so much more effective cause you move instant to a desired location. And Shroud can be countered by Wards or Gem, PK cant be really countered if you stay out of sight.

[Flair]

Played against a madman with 4 scarabs (+50% mana regen).
We won.

[Arkane1]

Magmus with Riftshards, Hellflower, and Elder Parasite, who maxed out Steam Bath first and got stats instead of his ultimate, which he didn't get until 14-15-16. And had normal Marchers all game.

"HIS ULTIMATE'S BAD! MAGMUS IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED AS A CHASE AND GANK HERO! NO ONE USES HIS ULTIMA--"

"Son..I am going to rape your mother."

We lost.

[Edward]

all the idiots who think hellflower is a good item for madman make me laugh



You make me laugh.




Anyways, once I saw a Lego with Whispering Helm. Beat that.

[Fazzmania]

Thunderbringer with Helm of the dom.

[Bobdoyle]

How could you have trouble initiating when u would have Portal Key? Even if you port in, use 3rd skill then ult you should be faster than anyone can react unless you play against real reaction gods... Portal Key is so much more effective cause you move instant to a desired location. And Shroud can be countered by Wards or Gem, PK cant be really countered if you stay out of sight.

Shroud also provides a easier escape route and such and most people in pubs (em and non em) wont buy a ward or gem just for tempest

[Minutemade]

How could you have trouble initiating when u would have Portal Key? Even if you port in, use 3rd skill then ult you should be faster than anyone can react unless you play against real reaction gods... Portal Key is so much more effective cause you move instant to a desired location. And Shroud can be countered by Wards or Gem, PK cant be really countered if you stay out of sight.

things like sandwraiths dispersion can ruin your blinks, not saying i'd get assassin's shroud, just giving u a reason

jesus some of u nerds making fun of some ppls item builds are so clueless, whispering helm for one, some people use it to dominate a creep and stack camps for an amazing farm, ophelia's use it to have an even more enormous army, some ppl actually micro their creeps for the stuns, nets, auras

anyways, magebane with staff of the master and puzzlebox

[Edward]

jesus some of u nerds making fun of some ppls item builds are so clueless, whispering helm for one, some people use it to dominate a creep and stack camps for an amazing farm,

You got a point there, but I forgot to mention that it was his first item. He didn't even have boots...

[Loosance]

i saw a maliken with staff of the master and codex 1, no boots. Thx.

[YUNGBASEDGOD]

Pebbles with 6xmarchers.

"It's for the movement speed" - Pebbles.

Win.

[Evozer]

Pyro with 2x runed axe and hack and slash

[Surreal12]

Tort with steamboots, 2 bracers and hack and slash.
Luckily we had the game without him :)

[sidsavierre]

SCOUT with SHROUD
and that was his first item.

when i asked him why did he make that, he answered:

"come on dude double invis is cool, i can go invi and then disarm and when vanish in cooldown i'll use my shroud to escape."

i'll use my shroud to escape

i'll use my shroud to escape

i'll use my shroud to escape

i'll use my shroud to escape

[Voulture]

You make me laugh.
Anyways, once I saw a Lego with Whispering Helm. Beat that.
I once did that. It was my 10th or 11th game in Hon, and i have never played Dota before so i have no idea about jungling etc :P

[noodle0117]

Torturer with Assassin's Shroud

Beat that! :D

We won 4v5 with him on my team too :D
assassin's shroud aint too bad.
he can use constant ulti without fear of retaliation.
I once saw a pyro with enhanced marchers, 3 hp pots, a bracer, and level 3 CODEX.
Lol... why'd hell you get codex? I mean, pyro ulti is like super codex.

[kablitz]

just today, i played with a puppet master who had the following items:

-Nome's Wisdom
-HoTBL
-and was on the way building a shaman's headress

made me want to cry..xD

[DImported]

Ring of sorcery madman. I can't remember if we won. It was just really retarded.

[sneakysob]

eh. that's kind of excusable if he was ward *****. you can't really expect glacius to do much more than provide aura and ult to slow their team.

on topic: legionnaire with bracers (opening item), boots, 2x pickled brains.

skill build:
taunt: 4
terrify: 4
whirling blade: 0
decapitate: 2
stats: 3

he wasn't a ward *****

and even if he was

you must be high

axe with 0 spin pts is pretty lmao though

[Bobdoyle]

just today, i played with a puppet master who had the following items:

-Nome's Wisdom
-HoTBL
-and was on the way building a shaman's headress

made me want to cry..xD

Nomes and Shamans (maybe a barrier idol later) is reasnable everyone has this idea that puppet is only to be played as a carry instead of a support disabler HOTBL while not bad prob wasnt needed

[powerofsk]

SCOUT with SHROUD
and that was his first item.

when i asked him why did he make that, he answered:

"come on dude double invis is cool, i can go invi and then disarm and when vanish in cooldown i'll use my shroud to escape."

i'll use my shroud to escape

i'll use my shroud to escape

i'll use my shroud to escape

i'll use my shroud to escape

shroud is somewhat viable on scout if you want to stay permainvis, probably not for first item though.

[InsaneChef]

scout who sold -everything- for sotm. gg.

[Vaim]

I'm gonna say this:
http://imgur.com/41Spf.jpg

[Kietharr]

One time I got a refresher for torturer ult, I was teh pwn.

I remember playing with a tort who got nothing but a refresher orb, went straight for it, NO other items. He went like 0-12 or some **** before the kick vote went through. We gave the refresher to our behemoth and came back.

[Stormnight]

Magmus with Riftshards, Hellflower, and Elder Parasite, who maxed out Steam Bath first and got stats instead of his ultimate, which he didn't get until 14-15-16. And had normal Marchers all game.

"HIS ULTIMATE'S BAD! MAGMUS IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED AS A CHASE AND GANK HERO! NO ONE USES HIS ULTIMA--"

"Son..I am going to rape your mother."

We lost.

Awww... :(

[Ubuntu]

devourer with riftshards, savage mace and charged hammer - Thats it. no boots. nothing else.

Pyromancer with steamboots and enhanced marchers, runed axed and crazed.

[sHoWTiMe]

The only thing I don't understand is how these noobs can still farm those crazy items.
It must be EM-mode because if I meet a noob who goes something very stupid he often only gets a part of the item or one item and keeps dying and isn't able to farm at all.

An example? A maliken with abyssal skull + whispering helm, lvl 13 after 40-50 minutes.

GG

[Dfowj]

Hellbringer with *6* rings of the teacher.

Once we told him they didn't stack, he built steamboots and enhanced marchers...

[Khuma]

Pebbles building a helm of the legion before ring of sorcery.
Scout with codex for MORE killstealing.
Magmus with runed axe before any mana item.
Thunderbringer with thunder claw.

For skillbuilds, i ve seen a madman max his crit first without putting a point in stalk before lvl 8, tempest that maxed summons last, swiftblade that maxed counter attack before blade frenzy( he was useless early game, useless mid/endgame).

[LaoLao]

legionnaire with 2 helms of the black legion followed by a shaman's headdress and no port key.

he was on the other team and we still lost cause my team had tempest with helm of the black legion and codex (i kid you not)

he used his ultimate maybe thrice in the whole game. The other team went out of their way to all clutter together all the time giving him basically the biggest target ever. the 3 times he used it, he used it on 1 or 2 heroes. He also didn't seem to grasp the meteor ulti combo, instead opting to just throw the meteor down on a group of enemies thinking it was some sort of ae dmg nuke

-___- the power of fail

[Ruscour]

I've seen a Scout with Assassin's Shroud. Not kidding.

[Ahteh]

assassin's shroud aint too bad.
he can use constant ulti without fear of retaliation.
I once saw a pyro with enhanced marchers, 3 hp pots, a bracer, and level 3 CODEX.
Lol... why'd hell you get codex? I mean, pyro ulti is like super codex.

Codex on Pyro isn't great, but in a pub it's not horrible either.
It's certainly better than shroud on torturer.

Get a clue.

[ZombieFewd]

Torturer with Assassin's Shroud

Beat that! :D

We won 4v5 with him on my team too :D
Not as bad as you think, considering that you can have his ultimate/spikes going while it is on. Definitely not an early item though, or even an important one.

I have seen Swiftblade with Hellflower and Staff of the Master (caster Swift, wtf?), and most agility heroes who get Staff of the Master (Moon Queen comes to mind, quite often actually) and end up sucking late game because they wanted to be casters are lulz worthy.

[Who8MyRice1]

In DotA, I had a Lich who bought Battlefury. His reasoning was "it givs good regen"

[ToxicHobo]

Valk went refresher for double arrow
Chronos went shroud


In DotA, I had a Lich who bought Battlefury. His reasoning was "it givs good regen"
When I was a noob I went bfury on magi once so I could farm well with that DoT skill

[Saffire]

Pyromancer with 6 major totems. I **** you not. Thank Jesus he was on the other team. We won that game :D

I actually solo'd mid against him. It was kind of sad, really.

[MABManZ]

I had a match last week with a Tempest AND Blacksmith BOTH with staff of the master. :|

I went something like 24-6-10 with Demented Shaman, and the Blacksmith accused me of killstealing with my autoattacks and "got all kills and no assists". Thank God the Jeraziah on the team was decent, we still managed to win with 2 retards and worthless scout who stayed invis the whole game, barely ever warded.

I'm not making this crap up, either. Match ID: 9183385

[man_guy]

Three vanguards on Legion with no portal key.

[archkyle]

35 minutes in... their chrnos had boots and a runed axe... thats all... i felt sorry for them

[jol1nar1]

Talking about 2x Helm of Black Legion, I've seen a Plague Rider get that. No Staff of the Master, no Astrolabe. Marchers and 2x Helm of Black Legion.

**** YEAH!


Torturer with Assassin's Shroud

Beat that! :D

We won 4v5 with him on my team too :D

i never played tort but i think that's a good item on him. invis -> hug the enemy -> ulti -> stun -> nuke -> gg
if i would go tort that would be my primary item

Nighthound with Shroud
this. i do not belive. omg. who let his mom play hon?

i just played vs a pyro with a portal key. he did kick ass but he had some lol items: steamboots, portal key, bottle, talisman, sustainer.

[laserblade]

Plague Rider with Runed Axe and Riftshards. :D
My friends are retarded.

[WackaWacka]

Soul Reaper with 4 steamboots. I kid you not. I think one was agi, two str, and one int. <.>

EDIT:


legionnaire with 2 helms of the black legion followed by a shaman's headdress and no port key.

he was on the other team and we still lost cause my team had tempest with helm of the black legion and codex (i kid you not)

he used his ultimate maybe thrice in the whole game. The other team went out of their way to all clutter together all the time giving him basically the biggest target ever. the 3 times he used it, he used it on 1 or 2 heroes. He also didn't seem to grasp the meteor ulti combo, instead opting to just throw the meteor down on a group of enemies thinking it was some sort of ae dmg nuke

-___- the power of fail


Holy crap dude I think I was in that game. . . Was there by chance an Electrician in the game? All I know is that in SOME game, I remember an enemy Tempest getting Codex.

[PoopyDesires]

When I was a noob I went bfury on magi once so I could farm well with that DoT skill

How is it neccesarily that bad?

I see quite a few blacksmiths go Runed Axe, works rather well every time. Damage, regen, more farming.

[jol1nar1]

Pebbles building a helm of the legion before ring of sorcery.
Scout with codex for MORE killstealing.
Magmus with runed axe before any mana item.
Thunderbringer with thunder claw.

peb with helm before ring.. i agree it fails but rest of them not.
scout with codex why not?
old scout with codex was great on pubs. actually one of the first games i had vs scout he had a codex and he managed to get huge amount of kills on us. if not the most kills ive ever seen.
magmus with runed axe. if enemy team has no disablers and they dont gank i dont see why not.
and i had a thunder with thunderclaw my team once. i didn't watch him at all but he was the hero with most kills that game. only thing that caught my attention was him saying "i love thunderclaw on thunder" after getting a kill. it seems like that match was before stats viewer got implemented so i can't find a game id.

[Pyrate]

peb with helm before ring.. i agree it fails but rest of them not.
scout with codex why not?
old scout with codex was great on pubs. actually one of the first games i had vs scout he had a codex and he managed to get huge amount of kills on us. if not the most kills ive ever seen.
magmus with runed axe. if enemy team has no disablers and they dont gank i dont see why not.
and i had a thunder with thunderclaw my team once. i didn't watch him at all but he was the hero with most kills that game. only thing that caught my attention was him saying "i love thunderclaw on thunder" after getting a kill. it seems like that match was before stats viewer got implemented so i can't find a game id.

Thunderclaw is a pointless item on TB because he shouldnt be attacking, he should be spamming his spells from a distance

[PoopyDesires]

Thunderclaw is a pointless item on TB because he shouldnt be attacking, he should be spamming his spells from a distance

But its LIGHTNING on a LIGHTNING hero!

Get it?!!?!?!?!?!

-sigh-

[Prixm1]

Pred with 5 Loggers, made me lmao. Allthough seen it on screen. Worst build Ive ever seen is probably NH with int items.. He thought his hero was int, so yeah.

[Diffusion]

I went 15-3 with a horrible build.

Wildsoul with Treads/Level 5 Dagon/Slash.

[MrCanada]

corrupt disciple stacking int items and getting staff of the master, he thought he was int

[Typhus]

**** YEAH!



i never played tort but i think that's a good item on him. invis -> hug the enemy -> ulti -> stun -> nuke -> gg
if i would go tort that would be my primary item

Nighthound with Shroud
this. i do not belive. omg. who let his mom play hon?

i just played vs a pyro with a portal key. he did kick ass but he had some lol items: steamboots, portal key, bottle, talisman, sustainer.


That Pyro build seems pretty damn normal too me. Sustainer propably for a sac stone and port key works really well on pyro in pubs.

[Targuil]

Three of those +6 int items on our Andromeda. Her starting items were 3 mana potions and that +6 int. We won the match though.

[schila]

only got really horrible ones in dota:

pugna with runed axe
recipie guys (only buying recipies, first timers)
soulbooster riki
drow who built skadi, so she could use her mom, while still having slow attack.

and in hon:
madman with bloodstone, cant recall hon name

[Llama]

Behemoth with Runed axe and Hack&slash

[ubachung]

pugna with runed axe


My friend did this once, but only because he knew he had to leave halfway through the game and I was playing Magnataur. :cool:

[``Jake`]

http://i37.tinypic.com/eitag8.png
nuff said

[arcainic]

I've once seen a scout stack 4 steamboots and an enhanced marcher , with the steamboots all set to agi.

[xLadyGagax]

Worst I've seen is Riftshards and Thunderclaw on Nymphora.

[PoopyDesires]

Worst I've seen is Riftshards and Thunderclaw on Nymphora.

Carry Nymphora stomps pubs hard.

[Cross]

Behemoth rushing runed axe
Portal key on Magebane
Scout

[tikal]

storm spirit on madman as his first item>.>

[Genesyx]

a dps legionare with runed axe

[sieneh]

.

and in hon:
madman with bloodstone, cant recall hon name

You do realize Sacri stone is one of the better items for him?

Since he gains, HP(lacks a lot and gets focused first), Mana(needs it, a lot), Mana regen(again needs it), HP regen(needs it a lot).

I often go sacri stone first on him, since early/mid I will be pumping 250ish crits just with basic items, with resto I'm around 1800 or more hp, as opposed to getting rune axe first which results in shitty 1100-1200 hp and the survivability of a paper bag, since you will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS get focused first.
It also ensures that in the case of your death, your team will get some hp and mana, possibly winning the fight.

Its entirely viable on him, as it is on Axe.(try it before you reply)

[crazysheep]

^ I think you mean Sacrificial Stone. Restoration Stone is Refresher Orb.

[sieneh]

^ I think you mean Sacrificial Stone. Restoration Stone is Refresher Orb.

You're right, edited it out ><

[PoopyDesires]

You're right, edited it out ><

No you didnt silly.

[Llama]

You didnt edit them all :p

While sac on lego can be ok, I think there will always be better options

[sieneh]

You didnt edit them all :p

While sac on lego can be ok, I think there will always be better options

point 1: true, done now -_-

point 2: there will be, but its viable.

[Anvardz]

andromeda, lvl 17

skill build:
comet lvl 4
aurora lvl 0
aura lvl 4
ult lvl 0
stats - 9

items: hack'n'slash, 3xLifetube

me: "why no ult????"
Andro: "if u will tank - i will carry"
/me RRRRAAAAAGGGGGGE

we also had scout which stacked runed axes and didnt level eyes till 22 lvl, even when me and magmus spammed in chat all game. We lost that game.

[sHoWTiMe]

**** YEAH!



i never played tort but i think that's a good item on him. invis -> hug the enemy -> ulti -> stun -> nuke -> gg
if i would go tort that would be my primary item

Nighthound with Shroud
this. i do not belive. omg. who let his mom play hon?

i just played vs a pyro with a portal key. he did kick ass but he had some lol items: steamboots, portal key, bottle, talisman, sustainer.

portal key is often used on pyro, sustain can't hurt if he's going for sacrificial, so nothing wrong with this build -.-

[Benny84]

What makes me lol more than the bad items in this thread, is when people post the "uncommon but still acceptable" items and treat them like the most terrible choices in the world, oblivious to their ignorance.

[tommehLOL]

Saw a Plague rider with NOTHING (not even boots), only Refresher orb.
Funny thing was that he couldn't even cast his 2*ult, because he didnt have the mana.
><

[Ricex]

all the idiots who think hellflower is a good item for madman make me laugh

psr: 1354 nuff said

[jol1nar1]

portal key is often used on pyro, sustain can't hurt if he's going for sacrificial, so nothing wrong with this build -.-

i agree but we had the lamest team ever. everyone of them tried to 1vs5 (and i tried to save them and kept dieing :<) so pyro got the kills. but i do believe that he could have got more kills with other items. like int and mana regen items rather then mana consuming item like portal key. we lost in under 20 minutes.
and even if i didnt play pyro yet i don't feel portal key is the starter item on him like that guy did.

[BodyHammer]

Sadly I was teaching a friend of mine in a noob game yesterday. Enemy NH went max Codex.

The worst part? It was effective.

[MASTERPHIL]

Beat this: KOTF with ZERO items after 44 mins... when i asked him, he said he was saving up for SOTH :O

[Ghork]

Beat this: KOTF with ZERO items after 44 mins... when i asked him, he said he was saving up for SOTH :O

thats a thing lots of them used to do in dota......... really really terrible especially since its not a 1 time occurance.

[Avarith]

http://imgur.com/KOQXR.jpg

[TheDrNick]

Demented Shaman went riftshards as his first item (apart for boots). Needless to say we lost.

[LaoLao]

Soul Reaper with 4 steamboots. I kid you not. I think one was agi, two str, and one int. <.>

EDIT:



Holy crap dude I think I was in that game. . . Was there by chance an Electrician in the game? All I know is that in SOME game, I remember an enemy Tempest getting Codex.


ya the electrician on teh scourge side, i was the succubus on the other side unable to overcome the retardedness of that tempest and the ever pro bloodhunter who kept silencing your arachna after feeding her for half an hour -__-

[Osyris]

Madman on my team who's first item was riftshards .... when I asked, I got "stfu noob, I know what I'm doing"

rage

[Xodek]

Thunderbringer with Riftshards and Abyssal Skull...

[sieneh]

I have no idea why you dissed Codex on Tempest, its useful in picking off heroes that are caught in the ulti and will survive the initial **** up.

Its viable, its not core, but its definitely useful in some aspects and provides more damage if your team is not that strong early game+with elementals, you can pretty much farm 2 camps at the same time without too much trouble.

Its like Hellbringer with Codex, I was first annoyed by the fact that the guy didn't go for totem or something to disable the enemy team with, all he did was lifevoid+codex on the person we're ganking, he backed off so our Madman could just get the kill.

Worked surprisingly well, the puppets survivability on the opposing team was about 2 seconds in every team fight.

[xdayum]

Brutalizer on plague with alchy bones. We won and he was a major part of our victory =\

[Zealousy]

I don't know if it's terribad but I played against a blacksmith with H&S and brutalizer not too long ago. No mana regen, just pure melee damage. Dude could chase, especially with frenzy. We won that game pretty easily.

[Rodelero2]

Pestilence getting alchemist bone + helm of the black legion at the 25 minute mark.

Tempest with enhanced marchers and working on a ring of sorcery.

I raged quitted.

[thewishkah]

played dota pugna with sny and mkb.

luls ensued.

[Koenig1]

I played with a Pollywog Priest that had one pair of enhanced marchers and one pair of steamboots. He said that he bought the E. marchers for the speed increase and the steamboots for the stats.......

[Dissidium]

Rushing riftshardes on pebbles ><

[Grrey]

But its LIGHTNING on a LIGHTNING hero!

Get it?!!?!?!?!?!

-sigh-

Hahaha

This thread win!

[Charade]

Someone rushed Riftshards on Soul Reaper....they had no marchers either. ROFL

[Akavir]

Night Hound with Elder Parasite, HnS, and Runed axe. 0 +agi other than slash.

[QQQQQQQQQQQ]

played dota pugna with sny and mkb.

luls ensued.

That is great brilliant educational item build of the century. Obviously you win if you are with that happy influential build of powerful greatness. He must of obvious 16-0 of course yes?

[killzx]

Back in DotA times, i saw a Nerubian Weaver who was building Dagon. After 35 mins he had boots and lvl 1 Dagon.. and a 0 - 18 score.

someone misread a nerubian assassin guide.

[killzx]

portal key is often used on pyro, sustain can't hurt if he's going for sacrificial, so nothing wrong with this build -.-


indeed that build was just basic

[MoOgLeD]

Night Hound with Elder Parasite, HnS, and Runed axe. 0 +agi other than slash.

That's not bad. NH Doesn't NEED agility. I'm curious if Runed axe splashes backstab damage..

[Pyrate]

psr: 1354 nuff said

I find it hilarious that as a 1700 PSR player you believe that Hellflower is a good item on Madman.

His skills take 130 mana and 60 mana, his ulti 100/150/205

He starts with 182 Mana
Level 10 he has 351
Level 15 he has 481
Level 20 he has 676
Level 25 he has 910

Every Madman should carry a bottle because of his Mana issues, A bottle is akin to +210 mana.

At level 25 with nothing but a bottle Madman can use his ulti and then spam both his barrel roll and stalk for 50 seconds before he runs out of mana. Now if you are alive for 50 seconds as Madman while constantly spamming your skills you are clearly playing wrong as your enemies should have died 3 times already.

At level 18 he can do it for 30 seconds.

Ontop of that someone on the team should have at least a Ring of the Teacher to boost his mana regen.

In conclusion, a Hellflower is a waste of 5025 gold for +40 damage and +30 Attack Speed.

For that money you could have bought your savage mace, for +80 damage, +15 attack speed and the ability to never miss an attack, and a 35% chance to ministun and deal 100 extra damage (about 1/3 chance, means it works out to 33 extra damage per attack)

Now i may be wrong, but isnt it the carries job to deal lots and lots of damage.

[CronoDroid]

That's not bad. NH Doesn't NEED agility. I'm curious if Runed axe splashes backstab damage..

Really?

[Taffer]

NH DOES need agility.. It's like saying Vindicator doesn't need int.

[Fidel]

Nighthound with Shroud

just wow


http://imgur.com/KOQXR.jpg

JUST WOW, 3 sets of boots... how did he even afford that


I've seen a demented shaman with Eldar Parasite

[GentleGroove]

Lothars on Stealth Assasin. lol

[diggitydalmo]

Harkons blade on a electrician and no other items, not even boots.

[diggitydalmo]

I find it hilarious that as a 1700 PSR player you believe that Hellflower is a good item on Madman.

His skills take 130 mana and 60 mana, his ulti 100/150/205

He starts with 182 Mana
Level 10 he has 351
Level 15 he has 481
Level 20 he has 676
Level 25 he has 910

Every Madman should carry a bottle because of his Mana issues, A bottle is akin to +210 mana.

At level 25 with nothing but a bottle Madman can use his ulti and then spam both his barrel roll and stalk for 50 seconds before he runs out of mana. Now if you are alive for 50 seconds as Madman while constantly spamming your skills you are clearly playing wrong as your enemies should have died 3 times already.

At level 18 he can do it for 30 seconds.

Ontop of that someone on the team should have at least a Ring of the Teacher to boost his mana regen.

In conclusion, a Hellflower is a waste of 5025 gold for +40 damage and +30 Attack Speed.

For that money you could have bought your savage mace, for +80 damage, +15 attack speed and the ability to never miss an attack, and a 35% chance to ministun and deal 100 extra damage (about 1/3 chance, means it works out to 33 extra damage per attack)

Now i may be wrong, but isnt it the carries job to deal lots and lots of damage.

Early game he runs oom. Not to mention it gives +dmg/+attackspeed and silence/20% extra damage during the silence. Hellflower is not a bad item for madman

[Neescher]

I think we can agree that "early game" hellflower would be a good item for every hero.

[Fidel]

I think we can agree that "early game" hellflower would be a good item for every hero.

but i think it would be rare for most heroes to rush hellflower

[Jda]

Ok so check this, succubus with not 2x enhanced marchers but 3x and no other items. I mean really, I guess the attack speed is cool but it would take hauling complete ass across the map to blow all 3 cool downs.

[EyalZi]

any aoe stunner with blink is good, since its a great gank start, u blink, stun, then ur friends coming to ks :)
like, tempest with pk isnt good only for his ulti, try to gank with his stun.. its great.
pyro mega combo he blink stun wave ulti and last hit :D
etc..
the old scout with codex is great. ulti + vanish + codex gg

the wrost build.
hammer storm with blink dagger and mock, no boots.

[Nani`]

Accursed with enhanced marchers, 2 braclets and hack.
not a total fail, but srsly, accursed got a fuking slow by himself + he is a supporter/tank

[ASS_BURGERS]

slither with 3 pairs of steam boots 8(

[sHoWTiMe]

Pebbles rushing staff of the master.

[Targuil]

Pebbles rushing staff of the master.
He wanted bigger e-peen.

[Zim]

I find it hilarious that as a 1700 PSR player you believe that Hellflower is a good item on Madman.

His skills take 130 mana and 60 mana, his ulti 100/150/205

He starts with 182 Mana
Level 10 he has 351
Level 15 he has 481
Level 20 he has 676
Level 25 he has 910

Every Madman should carry a bottle because of his Mana issues, A bottle is akin to +210 mana.

At level 25 with nothing but a bottle Madman can use his ulti and then spam both his barrel roll and stalk for 50 seconds before he runs out of mana. Now if you are alive for 50 seconds as Madman while constantly spamming your skills you are clearly playing wrong as your enemies should have died 3 times already.

At level 18 he can do it for 30 seconds.

Ontop of that someone on the team should have at least a Ring of the Teacher to boost his mana regen.

In conclusion, a Hellflower is a waste of 5025 gold for +40 damage and +30 Attack Speed.

For that money you could have bought your savage mace, for +80 damage, +15 attack speed and the ability to never miss an attack, and a 35% chance to ministun and deal 100 extra damage (about 1/3 chance, means it works out to 33 extra damage per attack)

Now i may be wrong, but isnt it the carries job to deal lots and lots of damage.

Hellflower is great on Madman, it's an easy farm for strong damage and a SILENCE. The silence with madman's ability to do strong damage in a mediocre amount of time for about 19 minutes of farm.
Also, it's easy to farm.

[Galneryus]

I had saw a Nighthound with a Shroud too. NOOB!

[EroticMonkey]

Devourer with Hungry Spirit


can i haz the win ?

[Testknight]

Devourer with Hungry Spirit


can i haz the win ?
Now you know what it feels like to be HUNGRY for something!

[Liln]

Tempest building Barbed Armor, Runed Axe, Elder parasite, then not one, but TWO pairs of Enhanced marchers. Not to mention he did not ult once.

[JellyBeans]

swiftblade running around with 4 bracers and sotm recipe...

[jgreen464]

I saw a Soul Reaper with a refresher. I'm pretty sure at most levels SR would not have the mana for a double soul reap anyways hahaha..

[GiantNutSack]

http://imgur.com/KOQXR.jpg

ROFLLLLLL

How did he even have time to farm all of that?

[Tanubis]

Thunderbringer: thunderclaw and blade mail, no stat items and no levels in stats.

[Testknight]

Plague, Phase, Bracelets, Shieldbreaker Level 4 Riftshards. That was me. I didn't feel like playing Plague but was try-harded into it. So I trolled. We lost. Go figure.

[Kaosgalore]

I had saw a Nighthound with a Shroud too. NOOB!

U sure it wasnt this guy?
http://i37.tinypic.com/xmld6x.png

And btw i did good this game :]
and comments on my item build?

[JessicaAlba1]

A blacksmith with HotBL, abyssal and skadi. That pretty much sums the EM games up for you kids.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

U sure it wasnt this guy?
http://i37.tinypic.com/xmld6x.png

And btw i did good this game :]
and comments on my item build?

That Lego has even more epic items :D Ahahahaha
And the game is EM based on your XP per minutes, so you can't really complain about noobs in EM.

[AznWannabe]

Why is there anything wrong with 2x helms? Nowhere in the item description does it say "effects do not stack"...

Even if they didnt stack whats wrong with an extra 300 HP, and a chance to reduce 40 damage with the buckler?

[sieneh]

Why is there anything wrong with 2x helms? Nowhere in the item description does it say "effects do not stack"...

Even if they didnt stack whats wrong with an extra 300 HP, and a chance to reduce 40 damage with the buckler?

Because you are paying 2k more for almost 0 benefit.

Those 2k can be spent in about 16 different, more useful ways(Portal key, for one)

[Demetrious]

I find it hilarious that as a 1700 PSR player you believe that Hellflower is a good item on Madman.

His skills take 130 mana and 60 mana, his ulti 100/150/205

He starts with 182 Mana
Level 10 he has 351
Level 15 he has 481
Level 20 he has 676
Level 25 he has 910

Every Madman should carry a bottle because of his Mana issues, A bottle is akin to +210 mana.

At level 25 with nothing but a bottle Madman can use his ulti and then spam both his barrel roll and stalk for 50 seconds before he runs out of mana. Now if you are alive for 50 seconds as Madman while constantly spamming your skills you are clearly playing wrong as your enemies should have died 3 times already.

At level 18 he can do it for 30 seconds.

Ontop of that someone on the team should have at least a Ring of the Teacher to boost his mana regen.

In conclusion, a Hellflower is a waste of 5025 gold for +40 damage and +30 Attack Speed.

For that money you could have bought your savage mace, for +80 damage, +15 attack speed and the ability to never miss an attack, and a 35% chance to ministun and deal 100 extra damage (about 1/3 chance, means it works out to 33 extra damage per attack)

Now i may be wrong, but isnt it the carries job to deal lots and lots of damage.

Hellflower is easy to build in small parts, providing incremental benefits as you pick up components. It lets you spam your abilities for farming creep waves, making farming much easier. It lets you spam Stalk to scout around and provides a silence that cripples certain heroes while also beefing up your damage against them. In my experience, a bottle and a great arcana or two allow me to consistently gank and have a strong presence in teamfights mid-game, which leads into a strong end-game with stun, silence+Shrunken Head being more than enough time to shred their disablers or their carry.

By the same token, static +damage items or other typical carry-item-components don't provide nearly as much benefit at the start because most of my early-mid game revolves around stalk+stun rather than autoattack damage. Saving up for heavy damage items, in my opinion, limits your presence early and mid-game while providing more damage than you're realistically going to need (unless you're playing EM and despite being ganked they still have a ton of items.) Moreover, discussing item balance at level 25 is a little silly, in my opinion, since every game I've played with Madman has ended well before that point (either by concession or by the other team becoming a nonfactor.)

I don't claim to be an expert - my experience is limited to ~1600-1700 PSR AP non-EM pub games, and I never played DOTA - but it's worked out great in every game I've used it, plus competitive players like QuC_Angel endorse it. That's reason enough for me to keep using it.

[man_guy]

I don't know if it's terribad but I played against a blacksmith with H&S and brutalizer not too long ago. No mana regen, just pure melee damage. Dude could chase, especially with frenzy. We won that game pretty easily.Sounds like a fun build. I kinda hate playing LuckSmith, but this might be worth trying out a few times. Without the Hack at least.

[KARTlK]

I've seen Norroar (six hacks guy) play a blacksmith with that build and nearly carry his team in a high level game.

[Bl3zzu_]

Behemoth with Brutalizer & Elder parasite.

[sieneh]

Behemoth with Brutalizer & Elder parasite.

The dude really liked his stuns.

[Bobdoyle]

A blacksmith with HotBL, abyssal and skadi. That pretty much sums the EM games up for you kids.

u do realize bad item builds happen in non em right

[antelopes]

Witnessed a Pyro get a mix of 5 different +armor items and a rune of blight when the game was over. The bonus is of course our team was quite caster/disable oriented. We had one agi semi-carry.

[Darkstrand]

I **** you not I've seen a tree man buy 4. He had that, boots and for some reason an unused monkey courier. He must have thought it looked cute.

LOL DINGDINGDING I THINK WE HAVE A WINNER

hahaha

[emallson]

Phase boots + 2 Gloves of the Swift. On Jereziah at 45m mark.

[Sange]

Back in DotA times, i saw a Nerubian Weaver who was building Dagon. After 35 mins he had boots and lvl 1 Dagon.. and a 0 - 18 score.
Nerubian Weaver with Dagon is a great build if used right. It's pretty much a insta-kill for most heroes.

Ulti. Hit for the extra dmg, stun, mana drain and if he's not already dead, then dagon will finish him off. All of that before the stun wears off.

[crazysheep]

^ You confused Weaver with Assassin.

[cherrybagels]

Legionnaire with a astrolabe and abysmal skull :(

[Meowshi]

Try this build for pubstomp ems

1. Pick scout
2. Exit with two runes of blight / logger's hatchet / potion of healing. Solo mid.

3. You are now allowed to only buy Sustainers and Runed Axes. If you are dying a lot, you are allotted one set of boots.

*****es never see it coming when I roll in with a runed axe and five sustainers.

[Disease1]

I saw a pyro start off good, he rushed a Sotm, and we were winning, then when it got mid-late game, i look in his invo and find a runed axe+ riftshards level 4.

[GentleGroove]

Riftshards isn't that bad on pyro, you can play him dps quite well due to his high attack speed.

[sieneh]

Except by the time you have riftshards level 4, you could have had totem, which is about 60 times more useful than Riftshards... -_-

I played arachna with e-marchers 2 bracers and a level 5 codex. had more then 10kills if i remember correctly. xD

[Sneakysheik]

was in a game the other day with some guy playing nymphora he got enhanced marchers then post haste (yes two boots) then went as far as to say that whoever didnt realise how good this was is a total noob.....

[Ghork]

Behemoth with Brutalizer & Elder parasite.

I remember when Earthshaker(behemoth) was released in dota, back then item usuage would proc his aftershock(heavyweight) so i often took a mom(elder parrasite) on him for great fun

[sHoWTiMe]

got a blacksmith with enhanced marchers and critical strike. Beat that lol!

9948955

[PocketJacks]

Saw a Glacius starting items: 3x Soulscream ring recipes
After 40 min mark he got: Boots + 3x Soulscream rings

[Dederd]

torturer with 3x soulscream rings

kraken with enhanced marchers and 3 runed axes. He did an admirable job at clearing creep camps, but he had around 1800 health at level 22.

[WifelikeMage]

I played against a Hellbringer with Whispering Helm and 3 Hungry Souls (i think thats what they are called)

I kid you not... he must have thought that the life leech stacked lol

[Furier]

Torturer with charged hammer as first item!

[iDoPenguins]

I think the worst build ever was a Night Hound stacking strength rather than getting ANY agi items... Yeah so you wanna tank him up a lil but your hitting like a wet NOODLE! He ended up that game 1:12:2 lol.... our temp got an eye and we seen him but he had no idea for unknown reason (thinking he was noob) lol...

But another bad build was a Demented shaman with a portal key... Thats all he got after boots... All he'd do was blink in and heal THATS it.... He was 0:10:1 Before he was kicked lol...

[sleepyoh]

we played puppet, magmus and jereziah on a pub game with random ppl, none of us had assasins shroud, yet the swiftblade in the other team bought an eye =)

[remind]

Saw one guy with wildsoul. Had only had boots on himself and had a black helm for his bear.

[Icx]

I think I saw the weirdest thing today.

Electrician.

Starting item: Nome's wisdom recipe.

Then he bought some other random crap, and went 0/12/1 possible one of the worst player I have seen in a while.

Or a friend of mine played against a TB this week that rushed a runed axe >>

[MoOgLeD]

I think the worst build ever was a Night Hound stacking strength rather than getting ANY agi items... Yeah so you wanna tank him up a lil but your hitting like a wet NOODLE! He ended up that game 1:12:2 lol.... our temp got an eye and we seen him but he had no idea for unknown reason (thinking he was noob) lol...

But another bad build was a Demented shaman with a portal key... Thats all he got after boots... All he'd do was blink in and heal THATS it.... He was 0:10:1 Before he was kicked lol...

Strength Nighthound is very viable. I have done it many times on DotA with Stealth Assasin. I also carry my team with this. I'm guessing this guy was a newb, and didn't know how to play properly. The last game I recall playing strength Stealth Assasin was 9/1/10 or something k/d. Your scores seem like made up numbers. If he was stacking strength, he shouldn't be dying that much. =/

[LegoPirate]

critstick lifesteal lion back on dota.

im pretty sure that takes the cake.

[Ohdavelo]

A scout with 3 sets of boots - 1x enhanced marcher, 1x steam boots and marchers, he then continued on buying mark of the novice - always buying the recipes first.

[Fidel]

i've seen a Zephyr, rush staff of the master before..

[iA_Shred]

im not kidding when i say this, in an ar game our silencer at the 50 min had:
X2 abysal skull
X1 marchers

his score was 0:16:1

[Madly]

shaman with 2 soulscream rings. he said he was battle type. we lost.

succubus with iron shield and whispering helm. we won lol.

[Moondrench]

Scout in my sig =\

[sieneh]

Whats worse is, that he actually has 5 kills.

[LexAmissa]

Puppet master with enhanced marchers and post-haste was pretty awesome

actually this can happen, in dota at least, some league players do this so it's not so bad but considering it's puppet master... :rolleyes:

p.s. i saw this on razor in a league match forgot where

[LexAmissa]

That Pyro build seems pretty damn normal too me. Sustainer propably for a sac stone and port key works really well on pyro in pubs.

actually, in dota, lina(pyro) sees a lot of portal key/bink dagger even in high levels of play. something about blinking reducing cast time? not sure about the reason though

[Servitor]

Post haste and enhanced marchers? Teleport to a tower then rush at who-ever is freefarming nearyby to rape ehm? Sounds nice, but that's a bit of a forcefull way to make your hero a ganker. Plus, the money could be spent on other items.

[Kijiyama]

was in a game the other day with some guy playing nymphora he got enhanced marchers then post haste (yes two boots) then went as far as to say that whoever didnt realise how good this was is a total noob.....

We have a winnar for moron of the year!

[a_newbie]

i seen a glacius only have 6 scarabs in late game.

[delanZia]

abyssal skull rushed (before boots) on elec, when the nighthound in our team already had an abyssal skull :(

The level then started building shield breaker but didn't get it finished before we lost

[Dataslycer]

OK I think I'm going flip the topic is specific one that seem utterly ridiculous but was actually very effective when utilized. Valkyrie using a Kundra totem. My 3 allies were trashing the item choice. I was intrigued. We end up winning with the valk going 4-2-16.

[Skasian]

all the idiots who think hellflower is a good item for madman make me laugh


You clearly haven't watched one of the latest 5v5 Tourny Finals games. Madman with hellflower carrying hard at "current" top level play.


But for me Glacius with Riftshards (FIRST ITEM!), he had no mana to even cast his ulti lol.

[coyye]

You clearly haven't watched one of the latest 5v5 Tourny Finals games. Madman with hellflower carrying hard at "current" top level play.


But for me Glacius with Riftshards (FIRST ITEM!), he had no mana to even cast his ulti lol.


Thing is.. that oyu have to be able to HANDLE it.
I remember when some SK player started using dagger on puck in DotA and suddenly everyone began to use it and 1 of 10 could manage it.

OT;Madman with refresher and axe.

[Reonhato]

You clearly haven't watched one of the latest 5v5 Tourny Finals games. Madman with hellflower carrying hard at "current" top level play.


But for me Glacius with Riftshards (FIRST ITEM!), he had no mana to even cast his ulti lol.

imagine how much easier it would have been if he hadnt got hellflower

[Typhus]

actually, in dota, lina(pyro) sees a lot of portal key/bink dagger even in high levels of play. something about blinking reducing cast time? not sure about the reason though

I was just commenting from my point of view. Ive just been playing hon for 2 months no dota experience.

On topic: Jeraziah with only tanking items. He had behemoths heart/helm of the black legion and barrier idol.

The idol isnt that bad but he literally only had mana for 3 heals, of course he would routinely use his heal for killing jungle creeps so he could start the groupfights at 25 % mana. When i asked him hy he didnt get mana items he started yelling.

[cadonuno]

saw a glacius with riftshard

[BigHustles]

Nymph with Helm of Black legion and elder parasite.

[Nzzdlz]

Tempest with Assassins Shroud instead of Portal Key, Hack and Runed Axe. Beat that.

I Lol'd, imo Tempest was not that stupid. AS is a good alternative to portal key :
Portal key : 2150 for 0 stats
AS : 1400+900+1100 = 3400 for dmg, armor and increased ias, lower CD.

I personaly use the key but AS is not stupid at all imo

[laserblade]

I tried Ophelia with Shieldbreaker and Daemonic Breastplate.
Boy, it was fun. Managed to solo a lategame Pestilence. =P

[Nzzdlz]

Nighthound with staff of the master, he said it was increasing run speed in stealth.

[Zealousy]

I Lol'd, imo Tempest was not that stupid. AS is a good alternative to portal key :
Portal key : 2150 for 0 stats
AS : 1400+900+1100 = 3400 for dmg, armor and increased ias, lower CD.

I personaly use the key but AS is not stupid at all imo

Clearly you didn't read the part where he had HACK and RUNED AXE (2250 + 4350) which doesn't really give him anything useful.

[s3m3n3l1n]

How could you have trouble initiating when u would have Portal Key? Even if you port in, use 3rd skill then ult you should be faster than anyone can react unless you play against real reaction gods... Portal Key is so much more effective cause you move instant to a desired location. And Shroud can be countered by Wards or Gem, PK cant be really countered if you stay out of sight.

A lot of things can disable your PK. Sandwraith's ulti... TB's ulti... someone's Mock. I usually have PK and shroud. if ever PK gets disabled i have a backup. Also I have those two for heroes like pyromancer and behemoth so i can blink-in then invi-out if it gets bad.

[Mizaru1]

madman 1st item gloves, 1st skill crit....

[chofeV]

I saw pollywog with hack and slash...

[hotloy]

nymph. claims solo mid. bottle first

[Skuttie]

Not only does he have portal key and post haste he sold the portal key to finish post haste, and bought another portal key

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4013/telepyro.jpg

[kuru1]

Not only does he have portal key and post haste he sold the portal key to finish post haste, and bought another portal key

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4013/telepyro.jpg

Portal Key is very legit on Pyromancer. Although the way he went about getting his items was bad and he should've opted for some survivability before Post Haste/Portal Key, they are two of the best items for Pyro.

I was in a game once where the Valkyrie on our team got Insanitarius and Runed Axe. I wish I was lying, but I'm not.

[Skuttie]

Portal Key is very legit on Pyromancer. Although the way he went about getting his items was bad and he should've opted for some survivability before Post Haste/Portal Key, they are two of the best items for Pyro.

I was in a game once where the Valkyrie on our team got Insanitarius and Runed Axe. I wish I was lying, but I'm not.

It's not the items themselves it's just like you said, the way he went about it.

[Elewyth]

seriously, once i saw an opponent with, no ****, 5 fcking marchers plus an enhanced marchers... imagine these would stack xD

[jayboogie]

ya the electrician on teh scourge side, i was the succubus on the other side unable to overcome the retardedness of that tempest and the ever pro bloodhunter who kept silencing your arachna after feeding her for half an hour -__-

LOL! I remember that game. I'm pretty sure I was that legion with two helms and no port and you were RAGING. First time ever playing him -_-.. Of course, now I know better. Not all of us came to HoN with a strong DotA background.

My contribution: Scout with two sustainers.. "So I can regen mana while invis." Not runed axe, no. Just sustainers.

Also, I've found runed axe with behemoth decent. You enrage/attack aoe. You farm like mad, gain mana regen, and once you port in the middle and stun the opposing team's life. 40% of 500 damage goes aoe. Maybe not a good first item, but viable nonetheless.

[Isin]

A legionnaire who got 5 bracers and boots.

[Donn]

A legionnaire who got 5 bracers and boots.

at least he bought boots ;)

[etspaceman]

Electrician with naked Marchers as first item....

[RAWRFACE]

hmm actually thats a pretty normal item on that hero i saw it all the time

[etspaceman]

Naked Marchers on elec? Really? Where the hell have you seen that work successfully? Guy on our team fed like crazy... never even picked up Runes or Healing.

[Th3Th1ng]

Shroud is ok after you got PK and Refresher... as an escape item. But that Tempest got it as first item and went for Hack & Slash and Runed Axe afterwards. Needless to say we lost that game cause he couldnt initiate very well...
No it isnt. Tempest build is boots, portal key, shrunken head, wards wards wards.

if you have a portal key a refresher and an assassins shroud you are either playing EM or you are in a 65 minute game and you farmed too much.

EDIT: Runed axe on behemoth is HUGE no no.

[LionKingMax]

The guy picked scout, boots as first item, he eyed wrong (didnt reveal rune) and started jungling while shouting GANK in mexican. Everytime he tried to gank someone he aggro the creeps, stuns and attack a shielded accursed.

After a while he decided to buy codex, he said that he wanted to ks everything since we sucked and didnt ganked when he asked. He failed and died.

[Fidel]

The guy picked scout, boots as first item, he eyed wrong (didnt reveal rune) and started jungling while shouting GANK in mexican. Everytime he tried to gank someone he aggro the creeps, stuns and attack a shielded accursed.

After a while he decided to buy codex, he said that he wanted to ks everything since we sucked and didnt ganked when he asked. He failed and died.


lmao - gank in mexican ?

also,
Seen a legionairre go for abbysal skull lifesteal.. first (with marchers (not enhanced))

[Sparked]

In Dota-
Zeus with a Cranium Basher and Assault Cuirass.
The Other Team "I didn't know Zeus had Stormbolt"
In Hon-
hack and slash glacius with helm.

[DamnedReg]

The one skill build that pissed me off to no end was a Succubus that went Heartbreak + Stats till level 14 or so. Used Heartbreak to steal kills and LAST HIT CREEPS. No harassing. Ne denying. I was laning a carry with this guy. We lost, needless to say.

"I don't get Mez until it's useful."

I can't remember the items but it was probably equally bad, Codex or Shroud or something. That these people are constantly floating around in above average (I'm almost always in a 1600+ draft game) matches is just insane. If that's above average, what is below average? Dying to the enemy towers before they lose invincibility and buying 15 couriers?

[Magaa]

well recently i played with a pebbles who got boots,and plate mail(no mana, no portal key no nothing) then he bought a sword of the high (i was like MOCK on pebb ? wtf)...but it gets better,then he sold every item except Sword and build a doombringer,died to their predator and said "noob team"

[Magaa]

oh and one time i played with a TDL - starting inventory- a shield,minor totem,clarity potion and monkey currier(unused)....nice adventure inventory if you ask me...he quit after 10 min ...he carried the fkin monkey the whole time with him in his inventory

[tuxator]

Nymph with Helm of Black legion and elder parasite.

hmm, I played nymph three times now and in the last game our enemy didn't want to give up (more kills/assists for me...).

But when I went towards level 17/18 I didn't knew what to buy.

I had the staff, I had steamboots, bracer and the mana thingi (3 str, 3 agi, 6 int). And I could easily supp my allies...(we were standing long times @mid without anybody had to go back)

I got killed a few times (IIRC 4 times) in that phase of the game because of the enemy kraken (pulled me out and they blocked me in their base) so I god HotbL and it helped. They trapped me again, but I could escape due to my heal/hotbl.

When I was level 20 (end of game) I thought again what to buy...didn't found a guide for nymph so maybe someone could give me a hint? ;)

however, worst thing I've seen so far: A BloodHunter. Level 11. Following items: Soulscream Ring, Enhanced Marchers, RotB, 1 heal potion.

He died 9 times.

I'm not blaming him for the ring or the enhanced marchers...but wtf? Level 11 and RotB?

oh, and enhanced marches was the last thing he builded.

dunno, but shouldn't he go woods for farming some gold?

[crazysheep]

When I was level 20 (end of game) I thought again what to buy...didn't found a guide for nymph so maybe someone could give me a hint? ;)

Astrolabe, Nome's Wisdom, Behemoth's Heart, Thunderclaw -> Charged Hammer, Daemonic Breastplate, Shieldbreaker... all if you're bored and rolling in cash ;)

[Zonack]

Ramapage with always 5 Healing Potions... ended with 35.

[Fidel]

Ramapage with always 5 Healing Potions... ended with 35.

ahahahaha

saw someone have only runes of blight, and loggers hatchet and he started cutting down a **** load of trees.

Was pretty funny

[tuxator]

Astrolabe, Nome's Wisdom, Behemoth's Heart, Thunderclaw -> Charged Hammer, Daemonic Breastplate, Shieldbreaker... all if you're bored and rolling in cash ;)

gnah, nome's wisdom...seems that I've overseen it :/ ty.

[Dataslycer]

QQQQQQQQ's 6 hacks!

[Falle]

Played with 4 friends, and the randomer who took the 5th slot in our team was like at PSR 1200, but we went with it.

He didn't participate in any team fights, we never saw him around. Finally checked what he had bought, and we saw not 2, not 3, but 4 ****ing Enhanced Marchers, and he was building a 5th one.

Why? :(

[Dataslycer]

You probably should teach him and tell him that marches don't stack.

[PoopsDeath]

I wonder if he felt he was faster.

[schila]

You do realize Sacri stone is one of the better items for him?

Since he gains, HP(lacks a lot and gets focused first), Mana(needs it, a lot), Mana regen(again needs it), HP regen(needs it a lot).

I often go sacri stone first on him, since early/mid I will be pumping 250ish crits just with basic items, with resto I'm around 1800 or more hp, as opposed to getting rune axe first which results in shitty 1100-1200 hp and the survivability of a paper bag, since you will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS get focused first.
It also ensures that in the case of your death, your team will get some hp and mana, possibly winning the fight.

Its entirely viable on him, as it is on Axe.(try it before you reply)

buy a bottle and convert your steamboots to int, solves his mana problems, about his health problems buy a bkb, much better.

He doesnt really need to spamm his abilities so sac stone on him is meh at best. Especially the same with legio, since he wont be using mana for jack ****.

[sieneh]

buy a bottle and convert your steamboots to int, solves his mana problems, about his health problems buy a bkb, much better.

He doesnt really need to spamm his abilities so sac stone on him is meh at best. Especially the same with legio, since he wont be using mana for jack ****.

BKB still puts him at 1.3kish HP, depending on the level and offers next to nothing in terms of farming ability(woopy, some more damage), while Sacri gives him the ability to destroy entire creep waves with endless mana using barrel roll+stalk.

Again, its viable and depends on the opposite team.

On Axe, its viable as a luxury item(though I've made it before I got heart and it worked well), not a core in any case.

[LionKingMax]

peebs with Helms x2... time two... 2 times...

Saw the same thing on lego... What the hell is up with them? they think it will block 80 damage?

[Flipguarder1]

I saw puppet master with a portalkey, a wingbow and a symbol of rage. Those were the only items he had.

[tommehLOL]

I saw puppet master with a portalkey, a wingbow and a symbol of rage. Those were the only items he had.

Wingbow and symbol are good items on puppet, you fail if you dont understand that

Portal is.. odd.. but can be suprising i guess

[DrilePiver]

Swiftblade with hellflower.


tl;dr:

I've actually done this before in a 3v3. Went into a random pub and randomed swiftblade, teammates responded to this by grabbing up more agi carries and leaving our team with absolutely no stuns, holds, slows, or other CC's of any kind. I believe their picks were Magebane and Valkyrie (Valkyrie doesn't count as a stunner if she never hits a javelin and can't be considered a support if she only ulti's to sneak up on the other team to surprise them before feeding them.)


Anywho, being with no CC's and against a Pyro who was, in particular, raping us without lube, I picked up a hellflower mostly for the silence, but the bonus damage and attack speed on it worked nicely as well. Ult to initiate (after coaching Valkyrie on when to Ult if she wanted to us it offensively), silence pyro, then hit BF for magic immunity and continue damaging. Valkyrie leaps and Calls, Magebane Leaps and mana drains, both while Pyro is silenced, EZ Genocide.

It's worth mentioning that pyro was bad, just fed. In this extremely weird and rare setup, Hellflower worked wonders on Swiftblade. But yeah, it's worthless in just about any real game.