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noct_akp
10-29-2009, 12:25 PM
No, It's not what you think. I'm talking about early (lvl 1-6) where I try to focus only on last hitting, but end up being called a noob for "not attacking the creeps". However, when I start listening to the 1337 squad, the lane ends up getting pushed to the opposing teams tower and we become unable to get denies. Oh, and ganked... So am I really just a noob who should be auto-attacking the creeps? Or do I have the right to rage when I see someone failing to focus only on last-hitting?
Egeras
10-29-2009, 12:31 PM
You're right, your teamates are the noobs :) just keep on what your doing :)
Blaat
10-29-2009, 12:35 PM
Ignore them, don't auto-attack. You are right
DenyTheTruth
10-29-2009, 12:43 PM
There is never a time before level 6 when auto attacking is ok unless you are the babysitter and you're trying to feed your kids. That requires incredible cooperation, though, and you have to be perfect at denying to keep the wave from moving.

Scratch that. Auto-attacking is never a good idea.
noct_akp
10-29-2009, 01:06 PM
:) Thank you for the replies. It was getting frustrating because it wasn't making much sense to me.
DenyTheTruth
10-29-2009, 01:12 PM
Honestly, you should take what anyone says with a grain of salt unless those people happen to be the winners of the competitions in this game and therefore making real life money. Don't ignore your teammates, but if your gut tells you you're right and you profit from it, who are they to tell you what to do?

Someone really smart said 80% of the time this game is about gut feeling. What do you feel is going to happen? What do you feel might happen next? That's what's going to happen.

You're welcome to play on my team any day if you don't auto-attack. I'm kind of appauled someone would support auto-attacking. It's about the worst thing you can do in this game. Depending on how good your enemy is at last hitting it can be worse than feeding.
akitoes
10-29-2009, 01:40 PM
Someone really smart said 80% of the time this game is about gut feeling. What do you feel is going to happen? What do you feel might happen next? That's what's going to happen.

Who is he ? :)
Lorkas
10-29-2009, 01:44 PM
ha ha! thank you for laugh friend!
they say you need auto-attack? do not listen to foolish man! auto attack is never good idea. never!
Rawrior
10-29-2009, 04:04 PM
Who is he ? :)
I'm not the smart guy he was referring to, but I agree with that saying.
Runsta
10-29-2009, 04:17 PM
if only hardcore pushers were in the game... then id point out the exceptions to the rule... too bad there are none at the moment.
_Archangel_
10-30-2009, 06:49 AM
if only hardcore pushers were in the game... then id point out the exceptions to the rule... too bad there are none at the moment.

Defiler omnomnom

I would add Pollywog to that as well, but he is shiiiiiiiiiit compared to Rhasta
Zekkei
10-30-2009, 07:22 AM
the 20 minute team in hon(not em)

Defiler(solo)
Polly(solo)
Pebbles(trilane)
Nymphora(trilane)
Demented shaman(trilane)
GentleGroove
10-30-2009, 07:40 AM
Try pulling your creeps to some neutrals.
Make sure your ring of the teacher is turned off, so it doesn't give your creeps extra damage and armour.
Yeah and just last hit. When denying, you can get a few hits on your own creep at the start to bring the creeps closer to your tower.
evotech
10-30-2009, 07:43 AM
Theres nothing wrong with pushing the lane if you are on short lane though, since that allowes you to creep pull and deny your opponent alot more exp
Jackaruu
10-30-2009, 07:43 AM
but end up being called a noob for "not attacking the creeps".
Did they really say that? Seriously....
Pogona
10-30-2009, 09:14 AM
you are definitely in the right here. the problem with those people you play with is that they never visit these forums, might not even know they exist, and are damn sure they know exactly how to play. Its not likely to change either, because i really didnt know anything about last hitting before I came to these forums. Maybe just try to tell them nicely?
weirdballs
10-30-2009, 10:29 AM
if you get called a noob.. its ok... its just their HoN talk.... people are always mean on HoN
CHR0N0S
10-30-2009, 10:35 AM
omg, your teammates... omg... this churros.... omg... chocodriles... omg
Drasha
10-30-2009, 05:48 PM
the 20 minute team in hon(not em)

Defiler(solo)
Polly(solo)
Pebbles(trilane)
Nymphora(trilane)
Demented shaman(trilane)
Replace pebbles with a hero who can jungle so you don't have a try lane ophelia and tempest are pretty good at pushing towers.
SmokeShow
10-30-2009, 05:57 PM
They are morons... pushing the towers early is stupid. Like you said you can't deny the creeps but furthermore it leaves you open to be ganked easier too. Don't push a tower until like level 8 I would say.
Coolica
10-30-2009, 11:21 PM
While I don't support auto-attacking, I feel that everyone is forgetting that sometimes teams want to go for an early push and win to tie down late game heroes, or late game in general.

With that said, when I'm with my friend at bot lane (top for hellbourne) I tell him to push hard after the 2 minute mark (not with auto-attacking, but with harassing + last hitting creeps to get their hp down faster than our own creeps) so that after I've triple stacked creeps (after warding of course) I can eliminate about 1 complete wave every other wave and hinder their hp gain. By doing this I give my partner extra hp when I'm pulling creeps AND it limits our enemy's levels drastically in our lane.
Ruscour
10-31-2009, 02:59 AM
You are indeed correct...proceed to yell at every Hammerstorm / Magmus / etc. that learns their pushing skill early.
KrepiN
10-31-2009, 08:39 AM
ofc u should attack creeps but only so u still can get last hit (hit them half hp and wait for last hit)
WalrusTusK
10-31-2009, 09:00 AM
You are indeed correct...proceed to yell at every Hammerstorm / Magmus / etc. that learns their pushing skill early.

Is it Galvanize or Cleave?
Is it Steambath or ExplodieCreepDisease?
sieneh
10-31-2009, 09:30 AM
Is it Galvanize or Cleave?
Is it Steambath or ExplodieCreepDisease?

All 4.

For hammerstorm= Stun, Galvanize at 2, stats at 4, keep maxing out stats until 12-15(depending on your setup, you can max out cleave at this point or you can keep with stats)

Magmus=stun/stats, get touch around 9(first level) or 12, you are a mid game pusher, however, you can get touch at 2 or 4 IF and only IF you are facing 2 melee laners against you.
WalrusTusK
10-31-2009, 09:41 AM
All 4.

For hammerstorm= Stun, Galvanize at 2, stats at 4, keep maxing out stats until 12-15(depending on your setup, you can max out cleave at this point or you can keep with stats)

Magmus=stun/stats, get touch around 9(first level) or 12, you are a mid game pusher, however, you can get touch at 2 or 4 IF and only IF you are facing 2 melee laners against you.

Alright, thanks for the help. Just occurred to me how much more effective the stats are for these heroes than anything else, considering they're 1/2 stuns and OOM.
nakke
10-31-2009, 01:19 PM
i laned against a slither just spamming his wards so badly, it actually worked quite well since we couldnt last hit..
Anari
10-31-2009, 03:53 PM
This thread has been answered... Why are you people Bumping it?
JOSHPFANBOY
10-31-2009, 04:48 PM
There is never a time before level 6 when auto attacking is ok unless you are the babysitter and you're trying to feed your kids. That requires incredible cooperation, though, and you have to be perfect at denying to keep the wave from moving.

Scratch that. Auto-attacking is never a good idea.
Never ever okay.

The babysitter shouldn't even think about taking his kid's food unless he knows he won't get it.
sieneh
10-31-2009, 04:56 PM
Alright, thanks for the help. Just occurred to me how much more effective the stats are for these heroes than anything else, considering they're 1/2 stuns and OOM.

Actually, not only that, but as Hammer, at level 8 depending on your items you're looking at some 1400-1800 hp, with 100-120 damage.

Magmus also benefits from this, as he is squishy as hell , so going stats early actually gives him respectable 1kish HP with almost 0 items, with bracers/marchers, you're looking at 1-1.2k hp.
JewishNinja
10-31-2009, 05:05 PM
As long as its not em, its beneficial to you, if your opponents are pushing the lane in the laning phase of the game... in all lanes. Unless the opponents are running a legionnaire combo, you should let them push.
gwho1
10-31-2009, 05:05 PM
autoattacking is bad of course.

i have a question tho. isn't it good to attack your own creeps for the very opposite reason? of course try to get the deny, but ionce your creeps get past half health, u can still attack them without missing the deny. this ends up in your creeps dying faster, thus keeping the lane on your side more.

"auto-attack" your own creeps (it's not really the correct term), but don't miss the deny. right?
DenyTheTruth
10-31-2009, 09:26 PM
Never ever okay.

The babysitter shouldn't even think about taking his kid's food unless he knows he won't get it.

First of all, I said you would hit the creeps to weaken them for your lane partner. Not last hit and steal from him.

Secondly, I said nevermind at the end of the post followed by, "it's never good".

Read before you quote me.

@earlier post: I don't remember who the smart person was. Closing this thread as it's been answered.