Blood Hunter Jungle?

[Kharg]

Ive been playing about with this for about an hour in practice seeing what times ive been getting by jungling with blood hunter from 1-6

It seems to be somewhat effective so far as it allows him to get solo lane exp and a large amount of gold, the most obvious drawback is not getting early ganks

Anyone have any idea as to weither this would be worth putting some time into or weither i should just lane with him? :P

[GentleGroove]

Hmm well he isn't much of a ganker until level 6 anyway. But his silence is good to spam early game versus low hp heroes. I am guessing you buy poor man's shield first?

[Kharg]

Its a bit of a pain at the start so im thinking of laning until about level 3 then jungling till 6, since by 3 you could have a loggers hatchet iron buckler (2?) and a health potion or 2 if things get a little bad

I think if its going to be a viable way to get to level 6 fast it would be in easy mode though


Played around abit with dual laning till 3 then going to jungle with 2 iron bucklers and a loggers hatchet and got to 6 in just under 8 mins non em so im gonna do a dual lane and compare them now (then single lane)

[GentleGroove]

Don't play easy mode please, you will learn more from playing non em. Get Iron shield, rather than 2 iron bucklers. With your health regen move and iron shield, it shouldn't be too hard at lvl 3. Try it out and let us know how you go.

[thewishkah]

he said non-em

[Kharg]

Well doing dual lane takes longer than doing dual lane to 3 then jungle to 6

Iron Shield+Loggers Hatchet got me through the jungle with no extra support in just under 8 mins while dual laning took quite a bit longer, im guessing i would get roughly the same result as jungling doing solo lane but BH isnt really a solo laner anyway as theres generally gonna be more suitable heroes for that

And this isnt in EM no

taking roughly 3 mins to get to level 3 dual laning so once i return to base i hit the jungle at about 3:50

Hit level 6 at 7:32, seems mostly dependant on the creeps that spawn i got unlucky with 3 minotuar camps and they are a pain to do

[sieneh]

A good choice would be to stack the closest creep camp to the lane(the one that always gets pulled), at 50ish seconds(before the 1st min), so that you can deny the entire 3rd creep wave and get a lot of xp, that creep camp should put you at(or near) the 3rd level(depending on which creeps spawn).
At 3(or 4) you can proceed to the jungle.

Doing this twice, usually results in one level more for both you and your lane partner, than the opposing team(depends on the creeps again), since you deny at least 6 creeps(in total) while your lane partner farms near the tower.

[Volshok]

Well doing dual lane takes longer than doing dual lane to 3 then jungle to 6

Iron Shield+Loggers Hatchet got me through the jungle with no extra support in just under 8 mins while dual laning took quite a bit longer, im guessing i would get roughly the same result as jungling doing solo lane but BH isnt really a solo laner anyway as theres generally gonna be more suitable heroes for that

And this isnt in EM no

taking roughly 3 mins to get to level 3 dual laning so once i return to base i hit the jungle at about 3:50

Hit level 6 at 7:32, seems mostly dependant on the creeps that spawn i got unlucky with 3 minotuar camps and they are a pain to do

BH is one of (if not the best) solo hero to counter nukers in mid. He is often picked to counter selections like ThunderBringer, Plague Rider, Succubus, Moon Queen, etc. While he may not be as effective vs ranged agility, such as Arachna, he is still more then capable of handling a lane by himself.

[J0k3]

I've actually never even thought about jungling Blood Hunter, it sounds very interesting! But it is abit of a waste I belive since BH is (one of) the strongest mid-solo hero.

[KARTlK]

Only hero I don't solo mid against is an arachna.

[Hippie]

I've actually never even thought about jungling Blood Hunter, it sounds very interesting! But it is abit of a waste I belive since BH is (one of) the strongest mid-solo hero.

This is only true when laning against a caster - when laning against any kind of AGI (Arach, Andro, others) he's nowhere near as powerful.

[ain]

This is only true when laning against a caster - when laning against any kind of AGI (Arach, Andro, others) he's nowhere near as powerful.
Andro is a nuker. Her aura doesn't do anything early on and her range is short. A bh would outlane her easy.

[Volshok]

Andro is a nuker. Her aura doesn't do anything early on and her range is short. A bh would outlane her easy.

Aurora + Stun could potentially force him out of a lane. BH already has low Armor, Once level 5 or so rolls around I could see it happening if she is able to land both and have enough mana for a follow up stun.

[Hippie]

Andro is a nuker. Her aura doesn't do anything early on and her range is short. A bh would outlane her easy.

Silencing her will just let her last hit more easily. Her range isn't too short and she can harass fine. Stun+stats will beat a BH in a heartbeat, even if the stun doesn't go off too often.

[MonkeyIsland]

My general rule of thumb is that melee agi's need to be babysat or very careful until lvl 11 when they can really start putting out some good dmg.

[KARTlK]

BH solo mid destroys an andro.

Andro solo mid should just leave because they suck so hard.

[Hippie]

BH solo mid destroys an andro.

Andro solo mid should just leave because they suck so hard.

She's less than optimal, to be sure, and usually mid solo should be left to superior heroes. However, in a pinch she does fine, and hitting 6 faster allows her to start doing some serious ganking much sooner.

[Tripwyr]

Not a bad idea. I'll try it sometime when we have a stronger solo than myself for mid and let you know what I think.

[Glorify1]

He jungles very slow at levels 1-5, and only moderately fast at levels 6+. A option would be mass pulls top lane scourge, but realistically this hero should only be played under very specific conditions.

[_Archangel_]

Andro is a terrible solo mid. Stun and Aurora can NOT put Blood Hunter out of a lane, unless the Blood Hunter is retarded. I solo'd against a Soulstealer today (Who has much more spammable and damaging nukes, not to mention superior lasthitting) and I dominated his face. A set of Runes of Blight can be used if your health drops a bit, and an HP pot is enough to cover the emergency of screwing up several last hits in a row.

[J0k3]

So I tried jungling in practise mode today. I bought a couirer at start and then wasted money to have 600 starting gold.

I hit level 6 at 7:20, at that time I had Poor mans shield, loggers hatchet and two wraithbands and 391 gold.

I hit level 7 at 9:17, at that time I had the same items but 963 gold.

Jungling speeds up alot after that I think, plus after hitting 6 you should get a kill with your ulti.


Tried again, practise mode. Two heroes in one lane. They both hit level 6 at 8:30, that was without any denying, deaths or staying out of exp-range.


Im surprised to say the least, that BH jungles so well.

[_Archangel_]

So I tried jungling in practise mode today. I bought a couirer at start and then wasted money to have 600 starting gold.

I hit level 6 at 7:20, at that time I had Poor mans shield, loggers hatchet and two wraithbands and 391 gold.

I hit level 7 at 9:17, at that time I had the same items but 963 gold.

Jungling speeds up alot after that I think, plus after hitting 6 you should get a kill with your ulti.


Tried again, practise mode. Two heroes in one lane. They both hit level 6 at 8:30, that was without any denying, deaths or staying out of exp-range.


Im surprised to say the least, that BH jungles so well.

I once farmed Sword of the High (3800 gold +60 damage item for Mock of Brilliance) by soloing mid with a Logger's Hatchet in 9 and a half minutes.

[GentleGroove]

That sounds good, I didn't think he would be so good at jungling. Since his attack does so little damage at the start.

[J0k3]

_Archangel_ (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=19496), obviously lane is way better, it always is.
I was just surprised that he could jungle as well as he actually does.

[Zakri]

I just want to clear out that if you're playing against good player jungling with BH will result in constant ganks , totally opposite to what most people think .In most scenarios you will be far from your tower , damaged with no boots and with no stun , If you want to jungle wards of sight are a very good choice.

Bloodhunter's EARLY Jungling phase is not as good as Wildsoul's jungle. You might want to do it If it's needed because it is still viable but soloing a lane is far more efficient.

[Volshok]

_Archangel_ (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=19496), obviously lane is way better, it always is.
I was just surprised that he could jungle as well as he actually does.

Not always. A Legionnaire with good spawns can match or beat or a solo in XP and far exceed him in gold (Assuming both solo players can last hit decently).

Tempest might be able to match a solo as well, not 100% sure though.

[Juke_Box]

personally I much prefer laning until I have: iron buckler, 2 duckboots, hatchet, 1 crown, 2 stacks of runes of blight.

[Kietharr]

Bloodhunter can jungle pretty well if you know how to pull, but he's one of those heroes that CAN jungle but SHOULDN'T. His lane control and survivability is very strong with his silence and hp on kill. Kinda like Legionaire, he can jungle fine but oftentimes you will want him in lane.

[Zonack]

I once farmed Sword of the High (3800 gold +60 damage item for Mock of Brilliance) by soloing mid with a Logger's Hatchet in 9 and a half minutes.

Same! Only thing I farmed top and got Dancing Blade at level 9 :P

[_Archangel_]

Same! Only thing I farmed top and got Dancing Blade at level 9 :P

Sword of the High >>> Dancing Blade, because Mock of Brilliance >>> Wingbow. :)

Legionnaire or Tempest jungle far better than Blood Hunter. In fact they do because they gain more gold and exp in the forest than in lane. While Blood Hunter CAN jungle, I think it's inefficient (Like putting Maliken in the forest with a shield and autoattacking neuts with Life Essence). He gets less gold and exp than he would in lane.

[Zonack]

Sword of the High >>> Dancing Blade, because Mock of Brilliance >>> Wingbow. :)

Legionnaire or Tempest jungle far better than Blood Hunter. In fact they do because they gain more gold and exp in the forest than in lane. While Blood Hunter CAN jungle, I think it's inefficient (Like putting Maliken in the forest with a shield and autoattacking neuts with Life Essence). He gets less gold and exp than he would in lane.

I didn't jungle, I just found out Logger's Hatchet is AMAZING and you can get rich in a lane.