What makes deadwood not able to carry?

[Mr_Rogers]

He has lots of hp, hits like a truck from minute one, has a stun with massive damage, a slow and a grab, his third skill gives him massive attack speed. I just don't see why he couldn't be built with carry items? helm > shrunken > shieldbreaker > demonic > heart or something like that.

[DontRageQuit]

If they made his tree grasp for the extra damage ting not be only 5 hits, and perhaps like 10 or so, I could see him as a viable carry.

But 5 hits is just way too short, its still good, but a bit short.

I have seen people get sieldbreaker and bkb before on dw, but not in a long long time. Its possible, but not ideal. You need tremendous amount of farm to be viable carrywise, getting the pk is priority #1.

[Shwank]

It's better if you build is as a ganker (pk, sol's bulwark) because he has no true carry potential imo

[Mr_Fister]

Because other heroes can carry 20x better without as much farm.

[Tsunamee]

Because other heroes can carry 20x better without as much farm.

This is pretty much always the answer :) Why carry with DW when there are at least 20 heroes that can do it better...

[Jeen_Lander]

the main reason dw cant carry is his +movespeed and +attackspeed cannot be reliable

you need trees and many fights happen not around trees


if deadwoods tree running skill always gave max +move and +attack then he would probably be a viable carry since attackspeed is good scaling for a carry

[FINAL_MIX]

DW is a ganker.

[melonface]

his biggest asset, his ult, starts become less & less powerful from minute 20. once heroes pick up armor, and carries start stacking agility, dw starts to lose momentum. and he actually isnt that strong in a straight up dps race

[Dakaa]

he is getting a rework anyway, so it doesn't matter.

[MacroHard]

His primary steroid expires after 5 hits.
His secondary steroid requires that you run around through trees like an idiot first.

[Necroth]

Having at least 20 armor lategame is pretty common. Unfortunately that means that his ultimate loses his nuking power and making it only good for the 1.5 secs of stun.

Also his uproot -like others have posted before me- lasts only for 5 hits. Sure the damage is nice, but 5 hits is way to little.

Clearcutting gives you 100% slow resistence and some movement speed + attack speed. Handy, but nothing worth maxing since leveling stats gives overall more bonuses.

Uproot is fine.

[Green]

His primary steroid expires after 5 hits.
His secondary steroid requires that you run around through trees like an idiot first.

This on top of the fact that if you get blink first, which you should, that is 2150 that isn't going towards dps items. Combine that with your bottle and chalice (which you should really be getting both), and that is ~3500 gold on ganker items which give no carry-ness.

Your abilities that keep the enemy near you are also not very reliable, and one of them uses up your +dmg.

Compare this to a :drun:. With that 3500 gold he can have a shieldbreaker rank 1 as well as the +10 str piece towards a bkb. Or, he can have a sols and the hammer part of the shieldbreaker. His gap closers (ult+stagger) are far more effective than the slow resistance requiring running through trees. His "keep the enemy near you" ability also is a straight up single target.


:drun: outclasses him in every aspect as a carry, but :dead: still has his burst and that is why you should capitalize on his burst.

[bebas]

You're all missing the main reason why DW isn't played as a carry. He doesn't have the ability to farm as other heroes have. A hero like bombardier isn't really a carry if you look at him, but his ability to farm can easily turn him into the deadliest hero on the map.

[Green]

You're all missing the main reason why DW isn't played as a carry. He doesn't have the ability to farm as other heroes have. A hero like bombardier isn't really a carry if you look at him, but his ability to farm can easily turn him into the deadliest hero on the map.

So thats why valk cant carry?

Rotten grasp and call both kill the ranged creep after you hit it once. They are quite on par for farming.

[LOL`DEAD]

You're all missing the main reason why DW isn't played as a carry. He doesn't have the ability to farm as other heroes have. A hero like bombardier isn't really a carry if you look at him, but his ability to farm can easily turn him into the deadliest hero on the map.

You're dumb early game it is easy to farm nearly every creep in lane early with 2nd. And his grasp can clear creep waves and nuet camps quickly with the damage and -armor. NH has no farming skills and he's one of the best carries out, many carries lack efficient farming tools, it all comes down to the skillset

[Snuggi3]

So thats why valk cant carry?

Rotten grasp and call both kill the ranged creep after you hit it once. They are quite on par for farming.

Valk isn't that good of carry in the grand scheme of things. Shes a semi-carry that is strongest in the early to mid game. She needs a **** ton of farm to match up against a carry like magebane.

[MacroHard]

^what's Magebane's farming tool then?

[Bennura]

DW has strong early game potential, but weak mid to end game unless hes able to get fat and end early.

[ChaperA`]

any hero can carry so dont worry about the other nay sayers ITS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG

[couchy]

NULLSTONE!!!!!!!!!! seriously he has 1 move and nullstone cancels it out. maybe he has to get a sheepstick, or stormspirit as part of his carry build to cancel out nullstone but does that really sound worth it?

[Radio_Raheem]

^what's Magebane's farming tool then?

He doesn't have one because his scaling+blink are already strong carry material, not to mention his BAMYOU'REDEAD skill scales with the target's max mana pool.

[Jeen_Lander]

^what's Magebane's farming tool then?

funny enough, back when everyone was saying magebane suckked early game and needed buffs i secretly knew the truth that magebane was one of the strongest early heroes ingame


magebanes farming tool is basically the fact that he can rape your entire team starting from the 2 minute mark when he is level 4 and completes boots with his regen+small stat items

magebanes farming tool is he farms your team instead of farming nuetrals or creeps. after magebane goes something like 13-0 he has so much gold from all those kills, gg, game over

[Boots1st]

^what's Magebane's farming tool then?
This :RunedAxe:.

[Keris]

NULLSTONE!!!!!!!!!! seriously he has 1 move and nullstone cancels it out. maybe he has to get a sheepstick, or stormspirit as part of his carry build to cancel out nullstone but does that really sound worth it?

Getting nullstone to counter DW is totally waste of money since DW will throw his logs to cancel ur null then use his legendary punch. The real problem with DW is his ult cd is too long since its super effective, while the branch isn't designed for mid-late game, and clearcutting takes time to be effective.

DW it's like a good hero, but less effective than other gank type hero. Definitely need a rework

[Reimu]

Most of the early game gold DW earns is spent on improving his ganking ability, not carry ability as it's simply what he does best. Doing it the other way around makes him not only lose out on potential kills, but it also allows enemy heroes to grow stronger and be safer in doing... whatever they want while you are busy farming to carry.

DW is about as good of a carry as Pebbles, you carry by ganking the hell out of enemy team to the point where you snowball out of control, or you are just another disable late game, if even that if you are unlucky.

[Ainion]

This :RunedAxe:.

So hammerstorm is a carry, he has a built in cleave thats better than runed!

And I guess if we get runed axe on deadwood that gives him the farming potential he needs to be a carry?

[Lethe]

cuz he's a better ganker /thread.

that wasn't hard.

[Jeen_Lander]

ive played DW as a carry before but the only way its possible is if you LIVE in the jungle either top or bottom and so you can be around trees


if DW's treerunner skill gave its +movement and +attackspeed regardless of needing trees, dw would be a much more viable carry. however it now needs trees so its very situational

the way you carry with DW is you live in the jungle and you pretty much always have up your +attackspeed and +movement since you are living in the jungle, and if people try to gank you then you run away with superspeed and treewalking or outright kill them with your ultimate

with a manaregen item like runed cleaver you have enough mana regen to keep using your 50 mana treewalking skill

also, on carry DW you get shroud, not portal key. shroud gives nice DPS stats and it makes you like a fayde but you have more burst damage than fayde

early game you gank alot of rape, and lategame you are a carry living in the jungle with carry dps items


also, lategame i treat deadwoods ultimate mostly as a finishing move. it gives the enemy -20% strength for 6 seconds, meaning if the enemy has 3k health it will remove about 600 of that health right away sort of like true damage plus it will deal 950 physical damage (maybe 450 to a lategame carry), however that damage only lasts for 6 seconds then the enemy gets back the 20% strength. so if you use the ultimate as a finishing move and kill them during the 6 seconds, the ultimate does about 1050 damage to a carry with 3k health

so damn, if you are fighting a ra with 3k health your ultimate is doing 1k true damage to him. but most ras have 4k health and in that situation your ultimate is doing like 1.2k true damage to him


deadwood as a carry has a FOLLOWUP NUKE (grasp) sort of like valks arrow but easier to land, just cast your grasp on a enemy after one of your support allies lands a stun

if you use grasp as a followup stun it has a 100% hitrate


and deadwood also has +movement +attackspeed steroid, and he has a 1k damage nuke ultimate and he has +60 damage for 4 hits on a short cooldown which can also be thrown for a ministun and a slow



only problem stopping deadwood from being a carry is two of his skills require trees. if they just worked without trees (maybe dragging dead trees out of the ground) he would be way better

[Pogona]

So hammerstorm is a carry, he has a built in cleave thats better than runed!

And I guess if we get runed axe on deadwood that gives him the farming potential he needs to be a carry?

Hammerstorm was generally considered a semi-carry until those stupid ass trilanes became popular and he became a walking stun. Pestilence as well, but he disappeared from the competitive scene even before trilanes ever popped up.

[Sp45T1kM0nk3]

^what's Magebane's farming tool then?

7/10, you got some people

edit: sven still can carry, i personally hate having him as a walking stun with those other 3 pro carry skills

[Cripples]

NULLSTONE!!!!!!!!!! seriously he has 1 move and nullstone cancels it out. maybe he has to get a sheepstick, or stormspirit as part of his carry build to cancel out nullstone but does that really sound worth it?


hahahahaaaa

[BlueBull]

Magebanes farming tool is his mobility, blink+320 ms. His passive helps too.
Nh farming tool is backstab and pounce.

[SeniorHankey]

like everyone else said, deadwood's main role is to shut down the early game. He is known for being cheap super early with his ult, last hit ability, and all that jazz for middle lane, but he just doesnt have the skills that progress as well as true carries. Pick deadwood if you like porting in and 2 shotting squishies or shutting down the carry early game before they rape the **** outta you

[MacroHard]

Buy a few armor items. BAM dw ult countered. a few days ago I tanked dw's ult plus grasp as a level 6 soul reaper with only a ring of protection, chainmail, and bracer. dw's early game ganking isn't even great compared to other heroes.

[tuxator]

^what's Magebane's farming tool then?

Magebane? He farms heroes...

[BlueBull]

Magebane? He farms heroes...

His farming tool is his high mobility, blink and ms. Passive helps too

[MoMoBling]

^How does the passive help him farming?

[man_guy]

NULLSTONE!!!!!!!!!! seriously he has 1 move and nullstone cancels it out. maybe he has to get a sheepstick, or stormspirit as part of his carry build to cancel out nullstone but does that really sound worth it?

Have you played Deadwood before?...

[Darkon]

NULLSTONE!!!!!!!!!! seriously he has 1 move and nullstone cancels it out. maybe he has to get a sheepstick, or stormspirit as part of his carry build to cancel out nullstone but does that really sound worth it?

Im sure someone has commented, but derp log throw cancels.

[ColonelGanja]

like everyone else said, deadwood's main role is to shut down the early game. He is known for being cheap super early with his ult, last hit ability, and all that jazz for middle lane, but he just doesnt have the skills that progress as well as true carries. Pick deadwood if you like porting in and 2 shotting squishies or shutting down the carry early game before they rape the **** outta you

I remember vs monarch I would always go for him while he was alone, so much that even in team fights when i ported in he would crysalis himself. Then I falcon punched the carries instead. Burnt my fist into the supports brain.

[Otaking]

NULLSTONE!!!!!!!!!! seriously he has 1 move and nullstone cancels it out. maybe he has to get a sheepstick, or stormspirit as part of his carry build to cancel out nullstone but does that really sound worth it?

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[Sinz3r]

To be a carry you have to farm.

If you are farming as DW, then you are doing it wrong. Your job as DW is to gank the whole map constantly.

You indirectly carry in the early/mid game by falcon punching every hero in the face, giving your lanes the free farm. If you want to sit mid and farm creeps, then pick Sil, Defiler, Tremble or any other mid carry hero.

It is the same deal as Pebbles, execpt that Pebbles probably has more utility in the late game with a more reliable stun and the ability to initiate or throw allies around with chuck.

[Ackwell1]

Hes much better at ganking role, but if you completely dominate and have huge gold and exp lead ofc u can carry with pk, daemonic and sh.

E:
NULLSTONE!!!!!!!!!! seriously he has 1 move and nullstone cancels it out. maybe he has to get a sheepstick, or stormspirit as part of his carry build to cancel out nullstone but does that really sound worth it?
This guy makes me cry...

[Maws`]

He's a tree, do i need to say more?

HA but i think he fits more as a ganker then a carry.

[bebas]

So thats why valk cant carry?

Rotten grasp and call both kill the ranged creep after you hit it once. They are quite on par for farming.

Valk can carry because he has farming abilities. And dw isn't played as a carry (note that i say not played as, becuase he can be played as one) because of his ganking potential.