From which S2 member did each hero's gameplay design concept come from?

[ElementUser]

This thread will be the archive for which hero's gameplay design concept came from which S2 designer!

Disclaimer: All the designers influenced the final results of the heroes, so no single designer is responsible for each hero.


S2 has a group / community oriented design methodology. There is no single person responsible for any single hero. A hero's initial design usually comes from a single source, but the final product is through mass input and iteration from multiple people.




Buro: :reve: :flux: :damp: :shad: :grav: :arti: :gunb: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/bramble.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/prophet.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/rally.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/grinex.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/bushwack.png

:berz: (with malloc)

:kine: (with Loremeister and XanderK)



DivA: :mora: :myrm: :empa: :rhap: :silh: :mart: :para: :drun: :cthu: :mona: :gemi:

:fayd: (Re-designed with Deep Shadows and clearvision on ultimate)

:keep: (Re-designed with Invis/Armor merge and summons)



Fielding: :dark: :madm: :nymp: :pred: :elec: :pand: :chip:

:arac: (Tweaks from Viper/Drow port)

:balp: (with Idejder)

:fayd: (Original version with Stances)




Idejder: :dead: :mast: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/riftwalker.png

:engi: (Original version with turret-inventory & inventory propagation)

:balp: (with Fielding)

:fayd: (Original version with Stances)



JohnnyUtah: :alun:

:krak: (Re-design with Charge/reliable Splash proc/Torrent)



Loremeister: :kine: (with Buro and XanderK)



malloc: :berz: (with Buro)



Nome: :trem: :noma: :emer: :amun: :monk: :mida: :lord: :arte:

:ramp: (Re-design to W slow, reliable proc on E and the Chains that Bind ultimate)

:gaun: (Re-designed with Grapple/Enfeeble)

:fayd: (Re-designed with tree-walking on ultimate and removal of Stances)



Pandaroohoo: :drac: :blit: :ello: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/ravenor.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/oogie.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/pearl.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/lodestone.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/salomon.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41859615/HoN/mechanics/SirBenzington/smiley.png



wza: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41859615/HoN/icon/solstice.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41859615/HoN/mechanics/Prisoner%20945/smiley.png



XanderK: :kine: (with Buro and Loremeister)






Yes this belongs in Mechanics since it's not suited for any other subforum without getting buried.

Please let me know if there are any mistakes/heroes I missed so I can update them accordingly.



NOTE: No discussion of whether certain heroes are "broken/imbalanced" or discussing whether that hero was good/bad for the game.

The only discussion that's allowed here will be that concerning the accuracy of the list.

[eshmoot]

Awesome! This thread will be very useful.

[Captainyeah]

So who created Ra?

[Izual]

Heroes missing from list: :dead: :monk: :pred: :chip: :zeph: :mali: :fors: :fayd: :elec: :mora: :madm: :balp: :amun: :pand: :keep: (rework) :dark: :empa: :scou:

This list excludes community made heroes.

[Artic]

Monkey king is Nome's (he's what harlequin turned into)
Empath and Ra are Nome's (he talks about them in his blog)

Cthuluphant is Diva (I think nome said this in his AMA on reddit)
Moraxus is Diva

I remember idejder talked about panda a lot before he was released but he was the most vocal s2 member back then so I'm not sure if it's his hero.

[Aterian]

Here's all the S2/HoN original heroes that are not on the list at this point. Unfortunately, I don't have any names to match to heroes.

Originals:
:zeph: :scou: :dark: :madm: :arac: :fors: :fayd: :nymp: :chip: :empa: :pupp: :pred: :pand: :elec: :mora: :dead: :balp: :amun: :monk:

Community inspired Heroes:
:geom: :gaun: :bomb: :cthu: :lord:

Reworks:
:keep:

Note: I realize some of these are considered "semiports", but so is Aluna and she's on the list up there...

Edit: my list is better then Izuals ;) Also, duplicate bombardier removed.

[man_guy]

Wait Idejder designed Engineer, constantly talked about not wanting mines in the game and they get put on "his" hero?

:geom: Nome
:gaun: rework Nome

community inspired: :geom: :gaun: :bomb: :lord:

[Izual]

Does DOGKaiser develop heroes? And did Fielding develop any heroes?

[Artic]

Found some posts where nome talks about which heroes are whose:

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=14549249&postcount=17
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=14270898&postcount=169 <nome implies diva making empath is correct so maybe I was mistaken
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=14141674&postcount=13

[Nytemair]

Thanks EU! <3

[TartossXXX]

Who made chipper? Arguably the best s2 hero.

[man_guy]

Who made chipper? Arguably the best s2 hero.

It seemed like Idejder to me since he was active in the beta client with Chipper.

[VersionTu]

I thought Nome created the original idea for Amun-Ra.

Edit: Nevermind. Ashes to Ashes name was taken though. :X

[ElementUser]

Updated, thanks!

Also keep opinionated posts to yourself, you can make a new thread in GD linking to this thread if you want to discuss about that kind of stuff.

I still need to personally ask a few S2 about all of the older heroes as I have no idea who did those.

[SupahNoob]

Idejder likes heroes with Guns? :3

[ElementUser]

Idejder likes heroes with Guns? :3

Yes, yes he does.

[KARTlK]

Fielding designed all of the old heroes

along with like the art team and maliken telling him whats cool. i guess some where inspired or whatever by savage though. all i know is that he was the only person actually in charge of gameplay related stuff until halfway through july

[BobSaggot]

Now list next to each hero if it was nerfed / buffed / how much the community hates it

[Blam]

Which Engineer iteration did Idejder design?

If he wasn't the one who designed the spider mines I can still love him.

[ElementUser]

The original one.

[Mediocre]

Could you add to the list who made the "older" HoN heroes*, like:

:fors::chip::pupp::elec::madm::pand:






*which were actually good designs.

[MiniDon]

The original one.
So basically Idedjer makes the most op heroes because old engi was stupid... for all of those who dont know what im talkinga bout, you could buy any procc item like lightning on engi and win because of that, what u did was go into a teamfight, ulti, drop turret, tinker the turrt ( it buffed its damage and it gave it bullet regen) cuz he had like 12 bullets... anyways u stunned with keg and u tped back to base, start dancing like moon and you would hear ANIHILATION... It got to the point where the best counter to engineer was mass barbed armours.
Engineer old build was steams,lightning, nullifire,frostwolf,savagemace and if u wanted a pkey.

Like seriously, his turret was 1000000 times his mines atm, you could randomly drop that **** in their forest and it would stay there, it would die after several hits but once u had lightning that **** would kill 1-2 heroes without it being tinkered... Ohh and tinker could be used on enemy tows and friendly... he used it on his tow u couldnt push for ****. he used it on ur tow it was worse than bulwark... and it slowed its aspd... xD His ulti was the same but they changed some numbers to it.... they first nerfed it then buffed it after thy got rid of turret...

Seriously the 2 most op heroes in hon were chronos and engineer. and if engineer casted turret before chronos casted his ultimate it was game over... and if chronos caught engi engi could still be saved with tablets and stormspirits xD lol it was so imba.:Genjuro:

[ElementUser]

Could you add to the list who made the "older" HoN heroes*, like:

:fors::chip::pupp::elec::madm::pand:






*which were actually good designs.

Yeah, as soon as I confirm with Fielding :)

[ElementUser]

Updated, but not every non-DotA port is done yet

[MacroHard]

Here's all the S2/HoN original heroes that are not on the list at this point. Unfortunately, I don't have any names to match to heroes.

Originals:
:zeph: :scou: :dark: :madm: :arac: :fors: :fayd: :nymp: :chip: :empa: :pupp: :pred: :pand: :elec: :mora: :dead: :balp: :amun: :monk:

Community inspired Heroes:
:geom: :gaun: :bomb: :cthu: :lord:

Reworks:
:keep:

Note: I realize some of these are considered "semiports", but so is Aluna and she's on the list up there...

Edit: my list is better then Izuals ;) Also, duplicate bombardier removed.

A lot of the above are still unaccounted for. Get to work Ele!

[Mediocre]

Ty!



Fielding is now my favorite s2 staff member.

[ElementUser]

A lot of the above are still unaccounted for. Get to work Ele!

Things take time! :3

[Garinoth]

noone brave enough to recognize inventing and/or nerfing :scou: ?

[ElementUser]

I haven't gotten to that yet.....

:scou:

[BigBoss00]

Would it be possible to credit the dota heroes as well?

[ElementUser]

Would it be possible to credit the dota heroes as well?

To DotA? Maybe.

:/

[man_guy]

Would it be possible to credit the dota heroes as well?

In regards to the theme of the thread, that would be whoever maintained the map at the time.

[Lethe]

nice work EU.

I still think Buro makes the best heroes overall. Although I never play Flux.

[Artic]

If you want to credit Dota stuff there's a list of stuff Guinsoo did here:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3966/postmortem_defense_of_the_ancients.php?page=5

[STFU`BEAR]

don't delete this post please, im not being rude

i just think Nome made a lot of annoying heroes to play against :amun::trem::emer::noma::monk:

that doesnt necessarily mean they are bad heroes, because they are a lot fun to play, but they are also the heroes i ban every game and if they're picked they make me ragequit

also Fielding should make more heroes his designs are very mighty and fun

[superdeluxxe]

<3 fielding. classics

[Dr_Fister]

whoa, i guessed all but one of the heroes that DivA had made correct

:D

[BigBoss00]

I don't think Fieldings works for S2 anymore. I'm looking into the dota thing , I'll post it eventually.

[KARTlK]

So basically Idedjer makes the most op heroes because old engi was stupid... for all of those who dont know what im talkinga bout, you could buy any procc item like lightning on engi and win because of that, what u did was go into a teamfight, ulti, drop turret, tinker the turrt ( it buffed its damage and it gave it bullet regen) cuz he had like 12 bullets... anyways u stunned with keg and u tped back to base, start dancing like moon and you would hear ANIHILATION... It got to the point where the best counter to engineer was mass barbed armours.
Engineer old build was steams,lightning, nullifire,frostwolf,savagemace and if u wanted a pkey.

Like seriously, his turret was 1000000 times his mines atm, you could randomly drop that **** in their forest and it would stay there, it would die after several hits but once u had lightning that **** would kill 1-2 heroes without it being tinkered... Ohh and tinker could be used on enemy tows and friendly... he used it on his tow u couldnt push for ****. he used it on ur tow it was worse than bulwark... and it slowed its aspd... xD His ulti was the same but they changed some numbers to it.... they first nerfed it then buffed it after thy got rid of turret...

Seriously the 2 most op heroes in hon were chronos and engineer. and if engineer casted turret before chronos casted his ultimate it was game over... and if chronos caught engi engi could still be saved with tablets and stormspirits xD lol it was so imba.:Genjuro:

thats actually not what the original engi was like. that was the second version.

[Tommoh]

Buro makes so fun and creative heroes. Much creds to the guy

[FabricateD]

I don't think Fieldings works for S2 anymore. I'm looking into the dota thing , I'll post it eventually.

Hire Fieldings = community shall be happy again!

[KARTlK]

:reve: :flux: :damp: :shad:
:mora: :myrm: :empa: :rhap: :silh: :mart: :para: :drun: :cthu: :mona: :gemi:
:keep::dark: :madm: :nymp: :pred: :elec: :pand: :chip:
:arac:
:dead: :mast:
:engi:
:balp:
:alun:
:krak::trem: :noma: :emer: :amun: :monk: :mida: :lord:
:ramp:
:gaun:
:fayd:

nome remade pyro if you wanna count that too :pyro:

:chro: can't recall 100% who remade him. pretty sure it was alan/idejder though.

fielding and idejder made zephyr. leap remake to gust was both of them too. i feel like it was mostly fielding who made it and alan who lead the rework based on what fielding wanted (no leaps on carries) but yeah not really sure on that one. :zeph:

bomb had to have been made by alan as well based on the time it came out but no actual idea on that one.

hopefully this information leads you in the right direction.

[ElementUser]

Chronos is a port - if you meant the remake I don't know who did that.

[KARTlK]

:chro: can't recall 100% who remade him.


Chronos is a port - if you meant the remake I don't know who did that.

that is what I meant. it had to have been alan though cause he was lead game designer at the time and I know he was the one who was removing RNG from the game so yeah. might wanna confirm it though since adding damage to his leap seems very non idejder like. maybe it was a collaboration.

[ElementUser]

Oh woops didn't see that :D

[STFU`BEAR]

EU will you make a hero at some point?

[ElementUser]

Nope.

[STFU`BEAR]

:(
you could create a math based hero?

[BigBoss00]

ElementUser is already a hero.

[MacroHard]

ElementUser is already a hero.

hahaha. Amazing.

I told Buro to make a hamster themed hero. He hasn't responded yet =(
http://www.tinyurl.com/honmogu

[simena]

hahaha. Amazing.

I told Buro to make a hamster themed hero. He hasn't responded yet =(
http://www.tinyurl.com/honmogu

Hamster would be epic.

[Mediocre]

Hire Fieldings = community shall be happy again!

A bit off-topic perhaps, but what happened to Fielding?



(also, this thread deserves to be bumped. Sticky?)

[BigBoss00]

I doubt he was fired, probably moved on to a different emply.

[ZeFox]

nome remade pyro if you wanna count that too :pyro:

:chro: can't recall 100% who remade him. pretty sure it was alan/idejder though.

fielding and idejder made zephyr. leap remake to gust was both of them too. i feel like it was mostly fielding who made it and alan who lead the rework based on what fielding wanted (no leaps on carries) but yeah not really sure on that one. :zeph:

bomb had to have been made by alan as well based on the time it came out but no actual idea on that one.

hopefully this information leads you in the right direction.

wasn't bomb a comunity hero?

[ElementUser]

He was, yes.

[Lethe]

Is Artesia supposed to be based on Nome's Slyph?

[Evil_Andrex]

Some of the skills came from Nome's Hero.

[ElementUser]

Is Artesia supposed to be based on Nome's Slyph?

It's actually Nome's Sylph. Nome did all of the final tweaks before he left for Riot, basically.

So the Artesia you see today is pretty much the Artesia that Nome had before he left.

[Rean]

ElementUser is already a hero.
lol.
i approve

[Mustakillah]

judging from that list i would say that fielding is pretty boss

[BigBoss00]

Not trashing Fielding or anything, but he wasn't some sort of wizard. During his developmental stages of HoN the game was less difficult to balance due to it's tiny hero pool. They probably even let some overpowered heroes sit untouched because they planned on releasing more counter heroes. Also who developed original Kraken?

[Hubaris]

Not trashing Fielding or anything, but he wasn't some sort of wizard. During his developmental stages of HoN the game was less difficult to balance due to it's tiny hero pool. They probably even let some overpowered heroes sit untouched because they planned on releasing more counter heroes. Also who developed original Kraken?

Ahh the sticky difficulty of Relative Balancing.

As for the Kraken Ultimate... I wanna know what happened to it and when one of the designers intends to use it again.

[MacroHard]

Interesting that Buro did both :damp: and :shad:, both of which heavily rely on a single target damaging leap followed by a self-targeted AOE stomp.

[ElementUser]

I think we can stop the skill discussion or I'll close the thread :)

[Wolfrar]

Who made maliken then?

[ElementUser]

No idea yet, most likely Fielding but I'll have to ask

[Mediocre]

I think we can stop the skill discussion or I'll close the thread :)

**** no! Make it sticky.

[Polari]

The disclaimer at the end of the OP should include a link to another thread where we CAN discuss whether certain designers were good/bad for the game.

[SmurfinBird]

The disclaimer at the end of the OP should include a link to another thread where we CAN discuss whether certain designers were good/bad for the game.

Here you go! (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/forumdisplay.php?f=222)
:madm:

[Hubaris]

Actually, can a mod make something akin to the "Balance Dump" thread but for Mechanics, where we can have a fireside chat about mechanics and hero design without having to resort to General Destruction threads?

[SmurfinBird]

Actually, can a mod make something akin to the "Balance Dump" thread but for Mechanics, where we can have a fireside chat about mechanics and hero design without having to resort to General Destruction threads?

Although this is at the Mod's discretion, there is a balance dump thread in balance. Mechanics dump would still be best if kept 'relevant' - my point about going to GD is this is not the place for that discussion; it simply is not welcome here.

Subjectivity of course.

[ElementUser]

The only problem I see with going that route is that there will be 1 more sticky cluttering the rest of the stickies

[Hubaris]

Fair enough.

Who was responsible for the initial conception of Gravekeeper?

One of his skills is directly taken from a hero DrPeckers designed in Hero Drafts... kinda interesting how minds think alike without almost no contact.

A billion monkeys on a billion typewriters for an infinite time will eventually create Shakespeare. That holds true for skill generation it seems as well.

(Not calling them monkeys or anything :monk: )

[Reldnahc]

Yay! Been looking all over for this. Just seems slightly odd in Mechanics, but so long as there is a uniform list.

[ElementUser]

Added:



S2 has a group / community oriented design methodology. There is no single person responsible for any single hero. A hero's initial design usually comes from a single source, but the final product is through mass input and iteration from multiple people.

[R0XAS]

Nomes' heroes are awesome too bad he work somewhere else.
Two questions.

1) Who influenced the hero Maliken. Best S2 hero imo and my favourite?

2) What designer is currently working on a Night and Day hero or rather has some interests in that concept?

[MarkMasters]

Funny to see each creator seems to like his own theme a bit

I'm no so well-known with the developers, but who are currently the 'Hero-creators'?

[SmurfinBird]

Please update this thread with the latest heroes, many are asking :)

[ElementUser]

Pandaroohoo originally designed Draconis, other than that I have no clue for most future HoN heroes.

[SmurfinBird]

Pandaroohoo originally designed Draconis, other than that I have no clue for most future HoN heroes.

That was the main one I was interested in so thank you.

[ElementUser]

Updated Kinesis on Buro.

If other people read this, I was the one who did the majority of the scripting for that hero. And it wasn't that easy either.

[R0XAS]

Thumbs up for Element User :)

[CSDragon]

Diva's heroes are the best.

Lol, nome's are all heroes that were once OP.

[Hippie]

Diva's heroes are the best.

Wat.

[ElementUser]

Updated Artillery.

I just need to hunt down who designed Gunblade and Blitz now... :madm: (and no, I'm :noma:, :madm: is for the speed & hunting)

[Tedde]

Blitz is Panda afaik.

[Changanigans]

I'm curious about S2's current hero designer-roster, who left and who joined?

Seeing these lists and realizing Nome is gone makes me somewhat believe in HON as a game again

Also, who pitched puppet and zephyr respectively?

[ElementUser]

Probably Fielding. He did most of the older heroes.

[ElementUser]

Updated!

[ElementUser]

Added Prophet

[Atrim3ntus]

<3 Buro and Fielding/Idejder for Balph. Damp and Balph are my all time favorites

[triplej]

When Nome left I was glad inside, for I knew that there would be no more 600 burst damage level 1 heroes. But now that a year has passed (or whatever) I kind of wish he was back. His heroes have a kind of 'pop' to them that other heroes don't.

Who designed the Vindicator rework?

[TwoNubs1Cup]

Who created nomad??

[ElementUser]

Who created nomad??

Please try looking over the hero icons again in the first post - it's there

[ElementUser]

Rally updated

[ElementUser]

Added Oogie. :oogi:

[SmurfinBird]

Is Fielding still in the "hero creation" team over at S2? I loved/still love his heroes.

[IPeonPeons]

Can you organise the list to show who's still working on heroes and who's not? (Move Nome to the bottom or something etc)

[Quillenator]

Cool list, Buro is where its at! Diva I have some love for you too

Also....

omg.......Nome was the worst developer, he made all the dumbest heroes. Its like he created broken/annoying heroes on purpose to kill HoN so he could move to Riot and make bank....I bet Riot had him on the payrole months before he even left...and his guides are bad as well....Nome conspiracy anyone?

[Hubaris]

I agree that his guides were bad (and are still infamous in my circle of people I play with) but his heroes were well designed for the most part.

Nomad has excellent flavour and is really fun to play. Just all the sounds and the way he moves is right.
Midas is cleverly designed and the gold theme really shines in the effects and the way everything flows together.
Lord Salforis is one of my favourite heroes and an excellent niche pick in some situations.
And Gauntlet is my most played hero due to how much variety Grapple provides and the stuff you can do with him. He is also one of the only true Anti-Carries in the game.

[girard`]

I agree that his guides were bad (and are still infamous in my circle of people I play with) but his heroes were well designed for the most part.

Nomad has excellent flavour and is really fun to play. Just all the sounds and the way he moves is right.
Midas is cleverly designed and the gold theme really shines in the effects and the way everything flows together.
Lord Salforis is one of my favourite heroes and an excellent niche pick in some situations.
And Gauntlet is my most played hero due to how much variety Grapple provides and the stuff you can do with him. He is also one of the only true Anti-Carries in the game.

I'd have to agree with pretty much all of this. Nome didn't "ruin" the game nor did he create a surplus of bad heroes. Most of his heroes are actually pretty neat. Ra's design of damaging himself with a passive heal based on damage he takes. Gauntlet is sick, his redesign made him an anti-carry all the way. Midas is really cool too - even with his nerf, I'm still a fan of him.

[Ahimtar]

why is :sill: missing? she is nome's, right?

and i think community inspired heroes should be listed as well (:gaun:)

[Tony`]

Who made Maliken? One of the most if not THE defining hero in HoN lol.

[SmurfinBird]

why is :sill: missing? she is nome's, right?

and i think community inspired heroes should be listed as well (:gaun:)
Silhouette is clearly listed under DivA's heroes.

[Clytemnestra]

a question.If these people create the skills,who creates the hero design?

[EndGoodSmith]

Solstice?

[Jeroz]

Do you guys come up with the visual design mid way and get some inspirations for skills from it(like Nomad)? or the skills first and try to find a visual that fits into the set? Which one happens more often?

[flurres]

who designed slostice?

[Theburned]

It says Wza on the front page...

[Reldnahc]

Didn't Buro do Bushwack and Pandaroohoo do Lodestone and Salomon?

[ElementUser]

That's right, thanks for reminding me. Updated.

[iNsania]

if you're having problems:
all dumb heroes that make no sense =Pandaroohoo
all awesome super amazing heroes =DivA/Buro/wza

[Respond]

Diva makes all the best heroes

[Reldnahc]

Who made Prisoner?

[SmurfinBird]

Wza, though the ultimate was Pandaroohoo.

[ElementUser]

I'll just put the future heroes' full names since the forum icons aren't getting updated on a regular basis.

[Necroth]

I'll just put the future heroes' full names since the forum icons aren't getting updated on a regular basis.

That's where I come in. Updated OP so all icons show with the exception of Prisoner 945 due to him not having a proper icon yet.

[ElementUser]

Added Sir Benzington to Pandaroohoo